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00:00EUROWA WYTFURNIA.PL
00:2990 billion cash injection for war-torn Ukraine.
00:34This as the tables begin to slightly turn on Vladimir Putin's diplomatic isolation.
00:39Estonia, Latvia and Luxemburg are now joining calls by France, Austria, the Czech Republic and Italy
00:46to re-engage in communications with the Kremlin.
00:50Diplomatic ties broke down in February 2022 after Russia's illegal full-scale invasion of Ukraine.
00:56Meanwhile, a second day of U.S.-led peace talks get underway today in the United Arab Emirates.
01:02Our EU editor Maria Tadier reports now from there.
01:05Good morning. Indeed, talks between Russia and Ukraine took place last night in Abu Dhabi,
01:12brokered by the United States of America.
01:14Ukrainian sources saying that the talks were, quote, constructive,
01:18but the European Union is still not at the negotiating table.
01:21And that is bringing up a fundamental question.
01:24And what's it going to take for the EU to be represented?
01:27Also, last night, revelations that the main diplomat for the French president, Emmanuel Macron,
01:33traveled to Moscow this week.
01:36The French president has been saying now, as you know, for weeks,
01:39that the Europeans need to establish now a sort of direct communication diplomatic channel
01:44with both Ukraine and Russia to be able to inject momentum into negotiations.
01:50And the technical talks, at least on a technical level, should begin as soon as possible.
01:55To that extent, we spoke with the prime minister of Latvia, Ivika Selina,
02:00here at the World Governments Forum.
02:02And she told us, it is clear that someone at this stage will have to be appointed
02:07to be this EU special envoy, someone that is respected by Ukraine, also the EU 27,
02:13but in particular playing a coordination role so that the EU is represented at the table.
02:19Let's take a look.
02:19We started this negotiation about, yes, we really need an envoy.
02:24Probably the question is who it will be.
02:26And I think we have many options.
02:28I'm ready to go if it's needed.
02:30But I think as well, European leaders from Germany or France should be the ones,
02:36as well as UK, which is a member of Coalition of Willing,
02:40should be the ones who are actually at the table together with Americans,
02:44helping Ukraine to be in those very tough negotiations.
02:48So just so we understand, and Europeans obviously watching our show understand,
02:52there was a time in which the idea of talking directly to Russia was seen as a negative thing.
02:58There was the idea that Russia had to be isolated as a punishment for starting the war.
03:02What you're saying now is that approach needs to change,
03:06and it's not something dramatic of negative.
03:09Talking to Russia now, it's simply realpolitik.
03:11The EU needs to engage with them.
03:13I think the EU needs to engage in diplomacy.
03:16You always need to talk, but we need to isolate and still,
03:20yes, have sanctions on Russia, have this push on Russia's income for them
03:26to not be able to boost up their military, because they're attacking Ukrainians.
03:30Why they are freezing?
03:31That's because Russia is still attacking just the innocent people.
03:35And that is where we need to isolate Russia even more,
03:39not just European countries, but all of the countries.
03:42But we have to be at negotiation stable,
03:44because Ukrainians themselves have started to negotiate.
03:48So why should Europeans not to negotiate?
03:51Do you have an idea, a profile,
03:53someone that would make the 27 feel comfortable and represented?
03:57It's a tough job to fill.
03:59I think there could be three leaders from Europe, as it was before.
04:04I would always support as well our good friend Donald Tusk from Poland,
04:09because he really understands the mentality of Russians.
04:13And it could be Mertz, it could be whatever who wants.
04:18Macron maybe is ready.
04:20But I think we need to include Keir Starmer from UK,
04:23because he's the one who is leading Coalition of Willing as well.
04:26And that's a very important point, because we've seen this week,
04:29there's a sort of closer now relationship again with the UK and the EU.
04:33The UK says they want to give the safe joining this program with defence another try.
04:39Do you want them to participate in this union of defence
04:41when it comes to the EU, but also Europe?
04:43You know, I think it's a good point where,
04:48as never before since Brexit, we are as close to UK,
04:52and we need to have good ties as Europeans.
04:55I'm now speaking from a European perspective,
04:58because as Europeans, we really need those good relationships.
05:02We don't need to isolate ourselves.
05:05So therefore, I think we need to put closer UK,
05:08because they are actually working together in those Coalition of Willing talks
05:13with Ukraine and helping a lot Ukraine as well.
05:15And this is about peace in Europe, and the UK is Europe.
05:19And so you say the UK in the safe universe mechanism?
05:23That's a good idea. It's a natural partner.
05:25It could be. It could be.
05:27But it depends. Are UK as well then delivering some finances?
05:31And they've got to pay.
05:31Yes, they've got to pay, because those resources are from European funds,
05:35European Union funds.
05:36So if UK want to be in, they have to as well finance something of a safe instrument.
05:44Maria, today you're reporting for us there,
05:46and we'll hear from her a little bit later in the programme.
05:48But of course, during those talks today in Abu Dhabi,
05:51attacks are continuing to pound Ukraine,
05:54with a massive strike in Odessa just yesterday,
05:56and Kyiv overnight.
05:57For more, we can get up to speed with our Ukraine correspondent,
06:01Sasha Vakilini, who's here with me in the studio.
06:03Good morning, Sasha.
06:04Any results so far from the talks in Abu Dhabi?
06:08I've heard that word productive mentioned again.
06:10Well, that's the word that we heard after the first round as well, Maeve.
06:13And as we said back then,
06:14the most productive thing about these talks
06:16is the fact that they do take place.
06:18And the day two starts and continues today in Abu Dhabi.
06:23So far, what we heard from Volodymyr Zelenskyy was that there is one important result.
06:28There might be a new prisoners of war exchange that might take place as soon as today.
06:34This is very important for Ukraine also,
06:36because Russia halted those exchanges somewhere by the end of last year.
06:40And Ukraine has been trying and insisting on bringing back
06:43and exchanging those prisoners of war.
06:45Zelenskyy also said yesterday that 55,000 of Ukrainian soldiers
06:51have been killed since Russia's full-scale invasion of Ukraine.
06:55That is why for Ukraine it's so important
06:56to have a proper, long-lasting and just deal.
06:59Let's take a listen.
07:04The war must end for real.
07:08It is Russia that must be ready for this.
07:11And our partners must also be ready to answer this
07:14with real guarantees, security guarantees,
07:17and real pressure on the aggressor.
07:19And so that the people in Ukraine can feel that the situation
07:22is really moving towards peace, towards the end of the war,
07:25and not towards the Russians, using everything to their advantage
07:28and continuing their attacks.
07:34President Volodymyr Zelenskyy there.
07:35And what about the Russian side?
07:37What have they been saying, Sasha?
07:38Well, the Russian side traditionally is blaming Ukraine
07:41for putting certain obstacles, as Moscow claims,
07:44saying that Russia does want peace.
07:45Now, they don't say what conditions do they want this peace or truce upon.
07:50An interesting message came yesterday
07:53in Russian Kremlin-affiliated media outlets,
07:56saying that the US President Donald Trump's plan
07:58also includes Ukraine's possible accession
08:01to the European Union in 2027.
08:03And they are attributing this to Russian sources
08:06at the talks in Abu Dhabi.
08:08Quite interesting to hear it from Russians.
08:10Indeed.
08:11We will follow that very closely.
08:12Sasha Vakilina, thank you so much for that update.
08:14Well, amidst all the uncertainty around ending the war in Ukraine,
08:18some good news has surfaced here in Brussels.
08:21EU countries have sealed a deal on a €90 billion loan for Ukraine.
08:26Our Jakob Janos tells us why this lifeline is so crucial.
08:31By April, Ukraine's budget will be empty.
08:35And unable to tap into Russia's frozen assets last December,
08:40Brussels triggered Plan B,
08:42a massive €90 billion loan raised through joint debt.
08:47But not everyone will participate.
08:50Hungary, Slovakia and Czechia secured a total opt-out.
08:55So, €30 billion will keep the state running,
08:58paying doctors, teachers and pensioners.
09:01The lion's share, though, €60 billion, is for defence.
09:04And since yesterday, the deal is finally locked in.
09:09But Europeans were split.
09:12France was leading the Bi-European team,
09:15and they insisted EU taxpayer money must support EU factories.
09:20After all, if billions are to be spent,
09:23they wanted the cash to stay on the continent.
09:25But Germany and the Netherlands argued Europe lacks the luxury of time.
09:31If Ukraine needs certain weaponry today,
09:34and the EU doesn't have it,
09:36Europe must buy them from somewhere else,
09:39such as South Korea, the US and the UK.
09:43And speaking of London,
09:45can they get a slice of this €90 billion pie?
09:49After yesterday's breakthrough,
09:50the answer is yes.
09:52But it is strictly pay-to-play.
09:56British companies can bid for these contracts,
10:00but only if London pays a fair share of the borrowing costs.
10:04So right now,
10:06only the European Parliament needs to vote.
10:09And they promise to move fast,
10:11because with the April deadline,
10:13there is no time to waste.
10:15Finally,
10:16Ukraine only repays this loan
10:18if Russia pays for the damages.
10:21And since Moscow isn't paying up,
10:24this debt might never be called in.
10:31Jakub Janis and Jorge Libreira
10:33reporting for us there.
10:34And as you heard,
10:35that check still needs the green light
10:36from the European Parliaments.
10:38That could come during a special sitting
10:40on 24th of February.
10:41That's exactly four years
10:43since the full-scale invasion of Ukraine by Russia.
10:46But now for the view from Poland
10:47on the ongoing war and more,
10:49we hear from Raphael Troskowski,
10:51a former member of the European Parliament
10:53and the mayor of Warsaw since 2018.
10:56He's affiliated with the Prime Minister
10:58Donald Tusk's Civic Platform Party.
11:01Raphael Troskowski joined me yesterday
11:02here in the studio,
11:03and I started by asking him
11:04whether he had any hope
11:06of a breakthrough in Abu Dhabi today.
11:08Well, I hope that however this war ends
11:12is going to be agreed with Ukraine
11:15and that Ukrainian priorities will be upheld
11:18because we need to remember
11:20that it was Russia who attacked viciously Ukraine.
11:23And I think that every crazy dictator
11:24in the world is watching,
11:25whether the West will be united,
11:27whether we will be strong.
11:28And being involved,
11:29does that mean then speaking,
11:30reopening the channels of communication
11:32with the Kremlin,
11:33as President Macron has suggested,
11:35or would that just be rewarding aggression?
11:37I mean, the most important thing
11:38is that President Zelensky's
11:41and the voice of the Ukrainian people
11:43is heard.
11:44And I think that we cannot try to
11:46come up with ideas
11:48that are going to be unacceptable
11:49for Ukraine.
11:51This is the most important thing.
11:52And I think that we should
11:53simply focus on that
11:54and not try to come up to a solution
11:57which is going to be unacceptable
11:58for the people who are attacked
11:59because that's going to be
12:01completely counterproductive
12:03and it will have a negative impact
12:05on the credibility of Europe,
12:06but also on the credibility
12:08of the United States.
12:09And there's lots at stake
12:09for Poland here, of course,
12:10a neighboring country.
12:11Are the Europeans having enough
12:13of a say, do you believe,
12:14in these talks?
12:15I don't think so.
12:16And I think that there will be
12:17no solution.
12:18There will be no security.
12:19There will be no rebuilding Ukraine
12:21without our involvement.
12:22So that's why it is absolutely fundamental
12:24for the Europeans to be involved
12:26and for our voice to be heard.
12:28And we also do not fudge the issue
12:31who was the aggressor.
12:32It was Russia.
12:33And we want to help the Ukrainians now
12:36in these very dire circumstances
12:38when they're being attacked
12:39all the time, viciously,
12:40the civil population,
12:41my sister city, Kiev and Kharkiv.
12:44And also after,
12:45when it comes to rebuilding Ukraine
12:46and opening up the European perspective
12:48for our friends.
12:50And how are you making sure
12:51that you can keep that momentum
12:52on supporting your neighbor, Ukraine,
12:55but also not harming
12:55your own security in Poland?
12:57We are strengthening our security
12:58as much as we can.
12:59We are investing almost 5%
13:00of our GDP in defense.
13:02We are strengthening our eastern border.
13:04We are investing as much as we can.
13:05We are taking responsibility ourselves,
13:07exactly as President Trump wanted.
13:10Now we need to convince
13:10other Europeans to do the same.
13:12But at the same time,
13:13we need to be helping the Ukrainians
13:14because they were actually fighting
13:17for our freedom
13:18and they were providing us security.
13:20They were giving us breathing space
13:21when it comes to rebuilding our security
13:23because the Russian threat is there.
13:25And if this war ends
13:27with Putin's success,
13:29then this is the gravest threat
13:30for the European security.
13:32And how real is the threat
13:33that there could potentially be
13:34an invasion in your country, in Poland?
13:36Well, I don't think
13:36that there is a great threat
13:37because fortunately,
13:38I mean, the Russians got their teeth
13:41knocked out by the Ukrainians.
13:43But if we give them breathing space,
13:45I mean, if we give them arguments
13:46in time to actually rebuild their military,
13:48unfortunately, they might stride back.
13:51They might just wait
13:52and then come back
13:53and test our resilience.
13:55I mean, they're doing it every time,
13:56you know, every day.
13:57There is a hybrid warfare everywhere.
13:59Misinformation, sabotage,
14:01and so on and so forth.
14:02We need to be ready.
14:03We need to be resilient.
14:04Also when it comes to the cities.
14:05And that's what we're doing in Warsaw.
14:06We're strengthening our resilience.
14:08We're learning from our Ukrainian friends
14:09and at the same time helping them
14:11in the time of distress
14:12when there are those temperatures,
14:14minus 30,
14:15and Kiev is freezing.
14:16We're helping as much as we can.
14:18And you mentioned President Trump earlier.
14:20What do you think of his Board of Peace?
14:22Why isn't Poland joining us?
14:23We are looking into
14:24President Trump's initiatives
14:25because at the end of the day,
14:26we want to keep the Americans involved.
14:28This is very, very important.
14:30This is not a question of emotions.
14:32This is not a question
14:32we are serious people.
14:33This is not a question
14:34of judging someone's behavior
14:37at a given moment.
14:38It's a question of European security.
14:40We need to be together
14:41because if Europe and the United States
14:42will not be together,
14:43all of our enemies,
14:45all of our foes
14:46will open champagne bottles.
14:48So we need to be aware of that.
14:50Does this administration, though,
14:52sometimes make you feel like
14:53you have to pick or choose
14:54Brussels or Washington, D.C.?
14:56Well, if you listen to
14:57President Trump's carefully,
14:59I mean, he said
14:59Europe should take more responsibility, right?
15:01He said there should be no free riding.
15:03Well, we understand it in Poland.
15:05We understand it in the Baltic Republic.
15:06So now it's a question
15:07of convincing other Europeans,
15:08OK, let's strengthen our capabilities.
15:11Let's strengthen our credibility.
15:13And this is, in a sense,
15:14a response to the wishes
15:15of the American administration.
15:17And at the same time,
15:18we, of course,
15:19need to keep the Americans involved
15:21because those are our closest allies.
15:24And if the threats are elsewhere,
15:26we should be absolutely certain
15:28that those relations
15:28are as good as they can be.
15:30And even if the Americans
15:31want to focus on other parts
15:33of the world,
15:34they need to be sure
15:35that someone has their back.
15:37And it's us, the Europeans.
15:38And we've seen the comments
15:40of Mario Draghi this week,
15:41the former head
15:42of the European Central Bank,
15:43saying that the EU needs to move
15:45from a confederation
15:46to a federation,
15:47that countries start
15:47need to be huddling together
15:49and moving at their own pace.
15:50What are your views on that?
15:52I don't like these labels
15:53because they do not really
15:54describe the Union,
15:55which is, you know,
15:56a beautiful construct
15:58because it's so original
15:59and unique.
16:00There are areas
16:02in which we need more integration,
16:03like defence,
16:04that's for sure.
16:04I'm not dogmatic.
16:06I don't think
16:08that we need integration,
16:09more integration
16:09in every field.
16:10Maybe there are places
16:12in which we integrated
16:13ourselves too much.
16:14I mean, we need
16:14a bit more flexibility.
16:15We need to be self-sufficient.
16:17But yes,
16:18there are issues
16:19like defence,
16:20like capital markets,
16:21where we need more integration
16:22in order to be
16:23a real player in the world.
16:25Raphael Trostovsky there
16:29on a number of challenges
16:31facing the EU today.
16:32But another major development
16:34we're watching closely for you
16:35is the US-Iran nuclear talks
16:37that are set to take place
16:38tomorrow in Oman.
16:40Fear over further escalation
16:42in the Middle East
16:43has been a dark cloud
16:44over this year's
16:45World Government Summit
16:46taking place in Dubai,
16:48as Maria Tadeo now reports.
16:50Good morning, indeed.
16:51The second big geopolitical question
16:53of the day is, of course, Iran.
16:55That after the US president
16:56said the Supreme Leader
16:58should be, quote,
16:58very worried
16:59if he does not agree
17:00to engage in serious talks
17:02over the country's
17:03nuclear program.
17:04That after a whole day
17:05of confusion,
17:06big confusion over
17:08whether or not
17:09a meeting between
17:10a delegation from the US
17:11and Iran
17:12would go ahead
17:13and take place this week.
17:14There were big questions
17:15over the format,
17:17the timing,
17:18the location.
17:19Yesterday night
17:20finally confirmed
17:21this bilateral meeting
17:22between Iran
17:23and the US
17:24will indeed go ahead
17:25this week.
17:26It will take place
17:27on Friday in Oman.
17:29The message, however,
17:30coming out of this region
17:31in the UAE
17:32but also the Gulf
17:34and beyond
17:34is that a regional war
17:36can still be avoided
17:37and that this is really
17:38the time for Iran
17:39to be serious
17:40in their diplomatic
17:42engagements
17:43with the US.
17:44Yesterday, on that note,
17:45I spoke with
17:46the Prime Minister of Lebanon,
17:48Nawaf Salam,
17:48who told us
17:49he will not allow
17:50throughout his country
17:51to get involved
17:51into this conflict
17:53but also repeated
17:54this is really not
17:55the time for stability
17:56or instability,
17:58I should note,
17:58after three very difficult years
18:00in the Middle East.
18:01Let's take a look.
18:02Stability of the region
18:03comes first for us.
18:05Definitely,
18:06anything that we avoid
18:07an all-out war
18:09in the region
18:10is be more than welcome.
18:13As far as Lebanon
18:15is concerned,
18:16I have said
18:17and would like to
18:18reaffirm
18:20that the question
18:21of war
18:22and peace
18:23is in the hands
18:24of the government
18:25and solely
18:26of the government.
18:27But unfortunately,
18:28I mean,
18:28we still have to take care
18:30of parts of the South
18:32that are occupied
18:34by Israel.
18:35We have to take care
18:36of daily violations
18:38of our sovereignty
18:39by Israel
18:40and we still need
18:42to liberate
18:44a number of our citizens
18:47who have been captured
18:48by Israel
18:50and doing so
18:51only perpetuates conflict
18:53in the region,
18:55undermines my government's efforts
18:57to...
19:00Stability?
19:00No, I mean,
19:01not to...
19:02Stability?
19:02To express state authority
19:03over the whole country
19:06and only fuels instability.
19:10And you can catch
19:13the rest of that interview
19:13on euronews.com.
19:15But that does bring
19:15this edition of
19:16Europe Today to an end.
19:17Thanks for tuning in.
19:18Bye from Brussels.
19:19KONIEC
19:49KONIEC
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