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00:00You let him throw him on the side of the f***ing mountain like he's a piece of trash, you should
00:04be ashamed of yourself.
00:07Somewhere in the mountains of southern New Mexico, there was a body.
00:13The people responsible had already gone home and returned borrowed tools to a neighbor.
00:18Tools that were still covered in blood.
00:21And for a brief moment, they almost got away with it.
00:26His name was Albert Bernard Pina, 67 years old, a grandfather, a mechanic, a man known around town for rescuing
00:34dogs nobody else wanted.
00:36Mountaineer, New Mexico, a quiet desert town of about 1,200 people.
00:40Albert Pina had lived here almost his entire life.
00:43On New Year's Eve 2025, Albert drove to the Willard Cantina with his friend Moises Lopez.
00:50Security cameras captured them drinking and playing pool.
00:53Albert joked around with the staff and enjoyed probably one too many
00:58as evidenced by his pool skills that night.
01:02The always generous Albert offered to buy Moises whatever he wanted.
01:07You'll never have a best friend like me.
01:09Albert, you are my friend.
01:11Security cameras show Albert and Moises leave the bar.
01:14This would be the last confirmed sighting of Albert Pina alive.
01:20On New Year's Day, Albert's brother reported him missing.
01:24I've had my friend go check in his house several times.
01:26He's not answered.
01:27It's not like him because he has his dogs at home.
01:28He never leaves his dogs.
01:30Right.
01:30That same day, Albert's sister-in-law, Clarissa Pina, was being sworn in as the new president
01:36of the Albuquerque City Townsville.
01:38During the ceremony, she paused the event and asked the entire chamber to pray for Albert's
01:43safe return.
01:45Investigators wanted to speak with Moises, the last person seen with Albert.
01:48But when they called, it was his girlfriend, Jaylene Luwerk, who answered.
01:52When is the last time you saw Albert?
01:55Three days before New Year's Eve.
01:59Are you guys friendly or just acquaintances?
02:02He met my boyfriend and those two get along great, you know?
02:07Immediately, she begins the bat pedal, downplaying the relationship between Albert and Moises.
02:12And you said that they hang out?
02:14You said Mr. Lo...
02:15No, they don't, like, hang out, hang out.
02:17Like, I mean, like, I've been with them where they hung out that time, and then I think
02:21he's hung out with them a couple times without me.
02:23Okay.
02:24But, like, nothing, like, extraordinary, you know what I mean?
02:26Is Moises with you now?
02:28Yes, would you like to talk to him?
02:29That would be great.
02:30Do you know a person by the name of Albert Pena?
02:34Yes, I do, sir.
02:35Okay.
02:36When is the last time you saw him?
02:37He's missing.
02:38Two, three days ago, we went to the bar, me and him, and then he had an argument with
02:42some dude there.
02:43And did you know what they were arguing about?
02:46I don't.
02:46I really don't know.
02:47Moises told detectives the night ended with Albert saying he was going to meet up with
02:51some friends, and that was the last time Moises saw him.
02:55Yeah, I would be the same, too, you know?
02:56Would you keep your ears open?
02:58If you hear anything, please let us know.
03:00His family is right, and we're trying to get...
03:02I will, sir.
03:03I will.
03:03Okay.
03:05Investigators then went to the bar where Albert was last seen, hoping the waitress could
03:08shed some light on what happened.
03:10Albert was here the other night.
03:12Yes.
03:12How much does he usually drink?
03:14Three.
03:15Okay.
03:15Three.
03:16That's the...
03:16He was trying to get more out of us, but three.
03:19He was here the other night with a young man.
03:22They were here together.
03:23I watched the video.
03:24They leave, and then a couple hours later, he shows back up in the parking lot.
03:30By himself?
03:31Yep.
03:31It's concerning.
03:33It's great.
03:33Because he came back by himself.
03:35Yeah.
03:35Yeah.
03:36Were they getting along okay?
03:38They were fine.
03:39They were perfectly fine.
03:40I don't want to sit here and say that this guy did something wrong.
03:43No.
03:43But something's not right.
03:44Everybody's got this weird feeling about this guy already.
03:47And then the girlfriend is missing.
03:49Nobody can find her.
03:50He took her phones off and everything.
03:51Okay.
03:53Three days later, using a police helicopter, deputies spotted Albert's vehicle abandoned along
03:58a rural road.
04:00All right.
04:01There's nobody inside of it.
04:02There's good tire prints coming and going that do not match this vehicle.
04:06So I did not drive over the tracks.
04:08The tracks are golden.
04:09I think there's another one right here.
04:11Oh, shit.
04:12There's blood.
04:13Is there?
04:14All over the...
04:16A ton of it.
04:17I think...
04:18Oh, yeah.
04:18That's blood.
04:19That's right there.
04:21And down on the ground.
04:23Is all that dark?
04:24That is...
04:24They think it's all blood.
04:29Oh, shit.
04:31Oh, yeah.
04:31There's blood all on the outside of the door, too.
04:39Detectives canvassed the area expecting to find a body, but there was nothing.
04:44Then later that night, the case took a sudden turn when they received a call from a woman
04:48named Ashley.
04:50She told deputies that some acquaintances had asked to borrow tools so they could go
04:54chop wood in the mountains.
04:55She pulled up and she was all twacked out.
04:58And then we're like, we're going to sit in your driveway at 12 o'clock in the middle
05:01of the night.
05:02Okay.
05:03And we're like, that's not cool.
05:04Anyways, we don't do that up here.
05:06And she's like, hey, can I borrow some tools?
05:08And she's like this.
05:09Like, you could tell.
05:10Like, her eyes are all big and stuff.
05:12Those friends were Katie Landrum and her husband, Manuel Lopez.
05:16Manuel is the brother of Moises, the man who was last seen with Albert.
05:20What alarmed Ashley is that when they later returned the tools, there were spots of blood
05:24on them.
05:24I let her use my dolly.
05:26Okay.
05:27I let her use my axe and I let her use my handsaw because I wouldn't let her use my
05:32chainsaw.
05:33So she was trying to also borrow a shovel.
05:35Okay.
05:36So I was like, dude, the things they asked for was weird.
05:39So I'm pretty sure that's blood.
05:41So there, there.
05:43Does that look like blood to you?
05:45It's freaking us out.
05:46We're freaked out.
05:47So.
05:48Yeah, it is blood.
05:50Yeah.
05:51This one does have blood right there.
05:53My kids said that last night.
05:55They came in my house when they dropped this off.
05:58Yeah.
05:58They were going through my room while I was sleeping.
06:00I was dead asleep.
06:01Like, we're freaking out.
06:02Crazy.
06:03No, of course.
06:03Did she tell you why she needed these tools?
06:06She said it was for wood.
06:08For wood.
06:08For wood.
06:09I mean, the shovel, I don't see why you need a shovel for wood.
06:12This is what they wanted to use.
06:13They were like, that's what we need.
06:15Okay.
06:17Investigators tracked Katie Manuel to their workplace, a pet boarding facility called Pet Paradise.
06:22Sheriff's office.
06:24How are you doing?
06:25Five minutes.
06:26Oh, good.
06:27Their answers were vague.
06:28Their explanations didn't make sense.
06:29And they were probably nervous.
06:31Katie, okay.
06:32Can I ask you some few questions?
06:34Sure.
06:34All right.
06:35If you want to be in present or you want him to be, okay.
06:38So, some questions were brought up since you did borrow tools from Ashley.
06:43You borrow a dolly, an axe, and a hand softball?
06:46Yeah.
06:47Okay.
06:47So, the Christians are brought up that they were blood on a dolly.
06:50Can you explain that to me?
06:54Yeah.
06:55My mom just got cut working.
06:57And where were you guys at?
06:59Where in the mountains?
07:00They were blood on a dolly.
07:01She was concerned because of that.
07:03No, just where we got cut, couldn't live, so.
07:05Okay.
07:06All right.
07:06Well, I appreciate you for talking to me and speaking with me, guys.
07:09All right?
07:10Yes, sir.
07:10All right.
07:10Well, you guys have a safe day, okay?
07:12Me too.
07:12That's all.
07:12All right.
07:12Bye.
07:13The next piece of evidence came from an unexpected source, Katie's daughter.
07:17I was told you might know where your mom's been at and where she's been hanging out.
07:21Because they told me that she was up in a mountain somewhere, cutting wood.
07:25I don't even know why she's cutting wood.
07:27I've never seen her cut wood.
07:30They don't have a fireplace.
07:31Yeah.
07:32They don't have a fireplace.
07:34Yeah.
07:35Because this was yesterday.
07:36She told the officer she tracked her mother's phone.
07:39And that's where she was at yesterday?
07:41Yeah.
07:41Because she did borrow some tools and the tools did have blood on it.
07:44Oh.
07:45She said that one of her friends cut themselves.
07:47What manual one?
07:49Lopez.
07:49If I'm going to be real, I'd watch out for him.
07:51She's always trying to be the worst she can be.
07:54I'd say watch out for them lying because she loves the lies.
07:57She's the best liar in the world.
08:00And she knows.
08:00But investigators were about to get a much clearer picture of what happened.
08:04Later that night, about 100 miles south of Mountaineer, a dramatic traffic stop would break the case wide open.
08:11Katie, Manuel, Moises, and Jaylene were pulled over on an Indian reservation by a federal agency, the Bureau of Indian
08:18Affairs.
08:18Keep in mind, this officer has no clue about the Albert Pinion missing persons case.
08:24He simply pulled them over for drifting out of their lane.
08:26Hi, what's up, man?
08:28What's up?
08:28You got your license on you, ma'am?
08:30Oh, okay.
08:31That's all right.
08:31How's y'all's night going?
08:34Good.
08:35We're going to go ahead and try your luck?
08:37Yeah.
08:37All right.
08:38Good luck.
08:39All right.
08:39It's a joke, right?
08:41Yeah.
08:41That's what everybody says.
08:42Is this your vehicle?
08:43Oh, yes.
08:43Do you have insurance and registration?
08:45Yes.
08:45How you doing?
08:46You guys got IDs?
08:48Not on you?
08:49What about you?
08:50So the reason I'm stopping you, you failed to maintain the lane of travel.
08:54No big deal.
08:54I'm not going to write you a ticket.
08:55I'm not in the business of writing tickets.
08:57I just want to make sure nobody's drinking and driving up here, which obviously you're not.
09:00So just let me do what I got to do, and then we'll get y'all out of here, okay?
09:03Okay, thank you.
09:04What's your name, boss?
09:05Suze.
09:05Huh?
09:06Suze.
09:06You don't got no ID?
09:07No, sir.
09:11You don't carry an ID?
09:12No, I do, but we left it at home.
09:14Huh?
09:14We left it at home.
09:15You left it at home?
09:16Yeah.
09:16How are you supposed to win a jackpot without an ID?
09:18I don't know.
09:20Huh?
09:20We didn't go to nowhere.
09:22What?
09:22We didn't go nowhere.
09:24She just said y'all going to the casino.
09:26They did.
09:26Oh, we didn't go.
09:27Huh?
09:28They did.
09:28We didn't go here.
09:29The casino's over this way.
09:31Y'all ain't even gone that way yet.
09:32I know, but I ain't going to the casino.
09:34I know that, because you haven't got to it yet.
09:36Yeah.
09:37Yeah.
09:38Come on out.
09:39You ain't making no sense, dude.
09:41What?
09:41Get out.
09:44I can be cool, but don't push it.
09:46All right?
09:47If I tell you, do something that means do it.
09:49Get out.
09:53Do you understand me?
09:54Yes, sir.
09:54Yes, sir.
09:55All right.
09:56Now, I'm going to give you another chance, because this is the third time I'm telling you to get out
09:59of the car.
10:00Yeah.
10:00Get out.
10:01I'm down.
10:02I'm going.
10:02You ain't listening.
10:04You keep looking back.
10:05Go.
10:06Go.
10:07Go.
10:08Go.
10:09Go.
10:09Go.
10:09Go.
10:09Go.
10:09Go.
10:10Go.
10:10Go.
10:10Go.
10:10Go.
10:14Go.
10:14I need help at my location right now.
10:16I'm fighting with one.
10:17Fighting with one.
10:18Go.
10:19Go.
10:20Get out.
10:21Get out.
10:23Get out.
10:26Get out.
10:27Get out.
10:27Get out.
10:28Y'all put your hands up on the steering wheel.
10:30On the dash.
10:31All right.
10:36Got a mail and all cable running down the highway.
10:40You're going to get tennies.
10:51Put your hands behind your back.
10:52You're going to get it again.
10:53Put your hands behind your back.
10:57Put your hands behind your back.
10:59Behind your back.
11:02Taser deployed.
11:03I need help.
11:04I got three more in the car.
11:09Don't move.
11:09I'll tase you again.
11:12You thought I was playing.
11:13I knew you was going to do something stupid.
11:15I've been doing this too long.
11:18Get up.
11:19Stand up.
11:20Get up.
11:20Get up.
11:20You're going to get hit by a car.
11:22Get up.
11:23That's what happens when you run from the police.
11:25Just knock it off, dude.
11:26That ain't going to work.
11:27Breathe, dude.
11:29What'd you run for, stupid?
11:30You got a warrant?
11:32Huh?
11:33I can't get my air, bro.
11:35You're outside.
11:36I can't get my air.
11:36I can't breathe.
11:37You're outside in the air.
11:39I can't breathe.
11:40It's pepper spray.
11:41Yeah, yeah.
11:42I was going to ID you.
11:44Maybe write you a ticket for not ordering a seatbelt.
11:47That's it.
11:47We're low.
11:49That's what happens when you be a dumbass, dude.
11:51It's on camera, dude.
11:52It's 2026.
11:53Thanks for not driving off, Kate.
11:55I made it way worse.
11:56You're not dying.
11:57It's pepper spray.
11:58Yeah, yeah.
11:59Help me.
12:00Dude, you are acting like a child.
12:02You got a...
12:03My mom.
12:04Ain't nobody run for just a...
12:06Something else going on here.
12:08Yeah, really.
12:09You probably got an ID in this wallet, too, don't you?
12:12Well, that ain't you.
12:13When they searched Moises' pockets, they found Albert Pena's credit cards and driver's license.
12:19Give these to dispatch.
12:20We're just getting the case back.
12:21We got one in the butt.
12:23One in the butt?
12:24Yeah.
12:24Yeah.
12:25Sorry, my man.
12:26Come on out.
12:26That's your brother?
12:28Why'd he do something like that?
12:29You ain't got no warrant.
12:30You guys were nothing short of compliant.
12:32Y'all will be free to go here shortly, okay?
12:34Did you know why he did that?
12:37I think it's because he was on probation.
12:40Well, generally, people that are on probation don't do things like that.
12:43Do you know why he did this?
12:45No.
12:45You have no idea?
12:47No?
12:48So, he's got a parole violation warrant.
12:50That's why he did that, I believe.
12:52Do you know who this person is?
12:54Is this his...
12:57I have no idea who that is.
12:58Okay.
12:59I'm just wondering.
12:59Because that's definitely, obviously, not him.
13:02It was in his pockets.
13:03I don't even know.
13:04Do you know who this guy is?
13:06Okay.
13:06All right.
13:07So, we'll have to look into that.
13:08When the homicide investigators got word, they quickly traveled down to interview Moises
13:13in jail.
13:14Um, I can't do anything about your probate or your parole violation.
13:17Oh, I know.
13:17I understand that.
13:18Keeping those rights in mind, are you comfortable talking with us, at least for a little bit?
13:22But, I guess I totally got everything I knew from.
13:25Okay.
13:25Well, I have a couple of additional questions I think you might be able to help with.
13:28Would you be willing to answer those?
13:29Or see if you're willing to, if I tell you what they are?
13:32Yeah.
13:32Okay.
13:33It was in a line.
13:34Okay.
13:35Here's the deal.
13:36You've been around a long time.
13:37I've been around a long time.
13:39I'm not going to come in here and treat you like you're stupid.
13:41I'm not playing games with you.
13:43Um, I know a lot more today than I did on Saturday when I spoke with you.
13:47Okay?
13:48I'm going to cut right through all the bullshit.
13:51I know that something bad happened and that Albert is not with us anymore.
13:56Okay?
13:56I know that for a fact.
13:58Okay?
13:59I know that you were there when it occurred and I can prove it in court.
14:03What I don't know, because I wasn't there physically, is I don't know what happened.
14:08Okay?
14:09How it happened is important.
14:11What happened, we already know.
14:13And it's not good.
14:15Okay?
14:24Moises, I can prove that that's not true.
14:26I know why you're saying that.
14:28I know why you're saying that.
14:29And if we hadn't have found what we found in the last couple days, that probably would have been okay.
14:35But now I know that's not correct, okay?
14:37And I can start with, I can start with your arrest, okay?
14:39You had some items in your pocket when the police stopped you, okay?
14:44There were some credit cards and some items.
14:46Well, because that suit that I have, he gave it to me, and it was cold.
14:51Which one?
14:51The suit that I have, the Army suit.
14:53Okay.
14:53So all that stuff was in it.
14:54I didn't, we were drunk, bro.
14:55Like, I didn't even know.
14:56I didn't even know that stuff was in it.
14:58It's his stuff, you know?
14:59Okay.
14:59Well, then let's just hear right through it.
15:01Why are your fingerprints in his blood in that vehicle that we found in the vehicle?
15:07There's no way that my fingerprints are in the vehicle.
15:10Bro.
15:10You think we drove all the way down here to BS you?
15:13I could have done another phone interview.
15:14I understand that.
15:15I understand that.
15:16But I don't, my fingerprints aren't in that.
15:18Dude, I'm not kidding you.
15:22Sure.
15:23Albert's dead.
15:24You were the last person that was with Albert, okay?
15:27That he drove me off, yeah.
15:28No, he didn't.
15:29We tracked his phone, okay?
15:32Up until 2.30 a.m., the phone's on, okay?
15:35I told you when he drove me off.
15:36Well, but that's not accurate, though, Moises.
15:39I don't know what you're, what we're going to tell you up here.
15:42The truth, because here, I don't know what occurred.
15:44We know that Albert was drunk.
15:46We were drinking, yeah.
15:47We were drinking, we cruised a little bit.
15:48Yeah, and then something happened.
15:50They dropped me off.
15:51No, he dropped me off, sir.
15:53You can ask my girl.
15:54She was right there when he dropped me off.
15:55You were driving, you were driving the trailblazer.
15:57No, I was not driving me off.
15:58Yes, you were.
15:59Oh, no, I wasn't.
16:00This is going to be simple.
16:01If that's the story.
16:02I'm telling you, sir, that I did not drive that ride.
16:04You're not, you're not being truthful.
16:05I'm telling you the truth, man.
16:06You're not.
16:07And at the end of the day, when I disprove all of this.
16:09Okay.
16:10Then what you're going to end up getting is a first-degree murder.
16:12Why me?
16:13I didn't do nothing to him.
16:14Okay, then I guess we'll just go to court and I'll just...
16:17Because I have my alibis and I have my witness.
16:19I was never...
16:19Your alibis.
16:20Never did nothing.
16:21My girl was there.
16:22She's a liar.
16:23No, she's not a liar.
16:24And she's catching charges for this, too.
16:26Why?
16:27Why?
16:27Because he took us home?
16:28Tampering with evidence?
16:29Murder?
16:30Felony murder?
16:31No, we didn't tamper with nothing.
16:32We didn't prove to you.
16:33Bro, you're not impressing anybody.
16:35I'm not impressing nobody.
16:36I'm not impressing anybody.
16:36At the end of the day, you were catching...
16:38Well, I don't hurt somebody.
16:39I've never hurt nobody in my life.
16:41Well, I don't know why you did it.
16:42I didn't do nothing.
16:43If a man ended up dead, and you have his property...
16:47I have no property.
16:48Yeah, well, could I link it?
16:49Okay.
16:50What is it?
16:52Look, what he's trying to explain is that...
16:54There's an ex...
16:55Just hear me out.
16:56Just hear me out real quick.
16:57It was school that day.
16:58Okay, I understand.
16:59I don't know what he had in his pockets.
17:00Okay, so he...
17:01Hey, look, just hear me out real quick.
17:02I understand what you're saying about this book.
17:04No, because that's not my stuff.
17:06Okay, that doesn't make a difference, man.
17:08This doesn't make a difference.
17:09No, it doesn't.
17:10You're in possession of it.
17:11He's dead.
17:11Yeah, well, I didn't know that.
17:12And your fingerprints are in his blood.
17:14Don't you think if I knew...
17:15Okay, I want to do that, or I hit it?
17:17I don't know why you didn't.
17:19Well, come on.
17:19I guess I'm not...
17:20I'm guilty of that.
17:21Okay.
17:22And then you dunked it out north.
17:23I have dumped nothing.
17:24No, no.
17:26That's not true.
17:27And we'll see what she says, because you don't really care.
17:29You're already in trouble.
17:30I'm not...
17:31What do you mean?
17:31I don't care, but this is my life.
17:33Stack a first-degree murder...
17:34No, bro, I didn't do nothing.
17:35I didn't do nothing.
17:36Why are you going to stack that on me?
17:37I didn't do nothing.
17:38You're lying.
17:39Man.
17:39Because I don't know what happened.
17:40I thought...
17:41I don't know why you're...
17:41I don't know why you're...
17:42I just thought you're off.
17:43Cool.
17:43But you don't...
17:44Man, you're saying that I can't...
17:45Don't get down.
17:46You don't piece it up, man.
17:47We're going to call somebody.
17:48Now what we're going to do is we have a search warrant.
17:50That's fine.
17:51They're going to get your fingerprints.
17:52That's fine.
17:53And then you're going to be charged.
17:54That's fine.
17:55I didn't do nothing.
17:55Well, that is...
17:57That is just not true.
17:58Okay, well, you said that's not true, but I'm telling you what it is.
18:01It's true, man.
18:02It's not...
18:03Something's getting left off here.
18:04When did he give you the jacket?
18:06We were...
18:07He's already asked for a warrant.
18:08Okay.
18:08We're done.
18:09You're going to regret not telling us what happened, because I need this more to the story.
18:13No, tell me what I did.
18:14Okay, well...
18:15Why would I...
18:15That's my friend.
18:16I don't know.
18:17That's the whole reason I came down here.
18:19Okay.
18:19Because something happens.
18:21Now we're dating, Billy.
18:22Well, that's not true.
18:24Yeah, he's my friend.
18:25You invited me to go drink.
18:26We drank.
18:27He's like all the time.
18:28We drank before.
18:30Nothing's ever happened.
18:31We're friends, man.
18:32We're friends, man.
18:33I think I would never...
18:34From the photos that we have to do.
18:35Man, they were friends, you know.
18:36Okay.
18:37He helped me out a lot.
18:38I was like, I have no reason.
18:39No motive.
18:40None of that.
18:41That's my friend, you know.
18:42So I never hurt nobody in my life.
18:44The investigation was closing in, but detectives were still trying to piece together exactly
18:49what happened.
18:49So they turned their attention back to Moises' brother and his wife, Katie.
18:53What's going on, guys?
18:54What's up?
18:55We're not taking you guys to where.
18:57We're just going to talk about some stuff, okay?
18:58Okay.
18:58You can all relax here, okay, man?
19:00It's like, what were y'all doing up there?
19:02And this is going to walk me through everything.
19:04We're shopping some wood over here by La Piscita Canyon.
19:07Okay.
19:08And he cut his hand.
19:10Some other guy.
19:11Calls himself Boots.
19:12Calls himself Boots.
19:13Okay.
19:14Manuel and Katie introduced this mysterious figure they call Boots, claiming he was the
19:19one who cut his hand.
19:20Conveniently, they don't know his real name or where he can be found.
19:24So who cut their hand?
19:25Boots.
19:26He calls himself Boots.
19:27Oh, you don't know his real name, though?
19:29All right.
19:29So this person, his name is Boots?
19:31Yeah, that's what he calls his name.
19:33His Boots.
19:33There's just a lot of strange circumstances surrounding the whole thing.
19:37That's kind of what we're talking, okay?
19:38I just want to make sure no one's freaking hurt or anything we need to know about, man.
19:43Oh, no, no.
19:44So how did he cut himself?
19:45How did the bug guy and the dog leave?
19:47I don't know.
19:47We were all just cutting wood up there.
19:49I mean, if you don't mind me asking, the wood for what you needed the wood for?
19:52For who?
19:52Well, we were just going to go up there hanging out, and then we were going to make a campfire,
19:55but it started raining, so we left.
19:57Okay.
19:58Then you guys, you guys were out there for quite a while, man, you know?
20:02Well, no, no, no, too long, I don't think.
20:06It's a lot of blood on the dolly.
20:09I didn't even remember seeing how much was on there.
20:11Okay, so there's a lot of blood, but if I was going to go cut some wood, there's some
20:17things I'm going to want.
20:18All right, I'm going to want a chainsaw, so you guys had a hacksaw, and-
20:22We didn't even use that.
20:23Okay, and then there was a shovel.
20:27A shovel?
20:28Yeah, ask for a shovel.
20:30Yeah, you guys ask for a shovel, an axe.
20:33This isn't like a bluff.
20:34I'm just going to tell you what it is.
20:35I'm just like being honest and open to you.
20:37All that equipment was swabbed, and all that's in the law.
20:40Is there any reason that blood is not going to come back to the guy who cut his hand?
20:46To tell me if that blood's not going to come back to him?
20:49No.
20:50Is there anything you need to tell me, Manuel?
20:51No, sir.
20:52Nothing at all.
20:54Not that I know.
20:55If we do come across this missing person, guess who the prime suspects are going to be
21:01in the disappearance of that missing person?
21:03You and your wife.
21:06Where does he cut on his hand?
21:08Right here.
21:10I'm using an axe, and I chop wood literally every day, so I don't know how I would cut
21:14my hand.
21:14I can imagine cutting my shin or something like that, but I'm trying to figure out how
21:19a cut on my hand would happen.
21:21Well, we never used the hacksaw for nothing, and I don't know how he cut his hand.
21:25I mean, why do I bring him back to the pool?
21:27The pool is like at midnight in the middle of the night.
21:29No, it's because she told us, she's like, you make sure when you're done, you bring
21:33him right back.
21:34Like I said, I'm just saying, dude, I've been doing this shit for 20 years, and your stories
21:39are bullshit.
21:40Like, I'm just not going to hide it, dude.
21:41Your stories don't make any sense.
21:43If you guys use those tools to try to essentially dispose of the body, it's going to get found.
21:50And like I said, dude, like, you and your wife are going to be in a lot of trouble.
21:53I'm not saying that you guys did, but again, it's just, you guys are going to be the number
21:58one suspects.
21:58It looks like it could not be as you're saying.
22:03If it's not as you're saying, that's going to be very easy to sell, too.
22:08Okay.
22:08Okay?
22:09Then it's going to be a serious problem for you.
22:11And I'm trying to give you an out here.
22:15I'm trying to let you help yourself.
22:19If there's something that we need to know that you can make this easier for us, you need
22:25to do what you should do.
22:28Okay.
22:30Things are starting to add it up, man, Will, what we're trying to say, man, okay?
22:33So if there's anything you may have left out, anything we need to know about, or maybe
22:38it was an accident and somebody got hurt up there.
22:47How do we get a hold of boots?
22:49I don't know.
22:50I'm just trying to make sure nothing bad happened to anybody, man.
22:54No.
22:55Did you bring any wood back?
22:57No.
22:57It's all up there.
22:58It's not filed.
22:58Did you guys have a fireplace here or something like that?
23:00Did you guys burn a wood here?
23:02It's weird, though.
23:03Like, the whole circumstance.
23:06Like, like...
23:06Why don't you look at it that way?
23:07Yeah.
23:08You don't think I'm going to find out if something happened.
23:11You're so confident that I'm not going to find out.
23:13But I promise, I promise you, I'm going to find out, and you'll be okay if I find out if
23:21you can help me.
23:22But if I find out, and you don't, it's Katie, right?
23:27I promise you, you will be as much responsible as who actually did the thing.
23:34Help me help you.
23:37Okay.
23:38Okay.
23:39Help me.
23:39Help me.
23:41Talk to me.
23:43Talk to me, Katie.
23:46Come over.
23:47Come over.
23:49Talk to me so I can help you.
23:53Talk to me.
23:56Katie.
23:57Right now, you're just being detained.
23:58You're not being under arrest, okay?
24:00Handcuffs are now.
24:01We'll go to the sheriff's office, okay?
24:03And just so you know, this is fixing to get a lot bigger.
24:05A lot bigger.
24:07I'm going to say this to you real quick before he...
24:10It gets real official, okay?
24:11What you do right now, and the decisions you make right now, determine what kind of
24:17trouble you're at in terms of the spectrum of trouble.
24:20You leave today, or you spend the rest of your life in prison, there is a spectrum and
24:24everything in between.
24:26The decisions you make here in the next few hours determine where you're at in that
24:30time.
24:30Yeah.
24:31I meant when I said I'm trying to help you help yourself.
24:35You hop in the front, though.
24:37We'll meet you up.
24:38Just follow us.
24:39The detective's pressure worked.
24:40Katie cracks and agrees to cooperate.
24:43I didn't want to lie to you, but I don't want my husband to see.
24:46I know.
24:46I hope you don't feel I was being rude to you, but did you know what I meant by like,
24:50when we can see something's not right?
24:52Yeah, I wanted you to see something.
24:54Was it right?
24:54Because I wanted you to take me off.
24:56I got you.
24:57I got you.
24:57She says that Moises called him freaking out, saying he had killed someone and needs help.
25:02Did Moises ever tell you guys, don't say anything?
25:07Okay, he did.
25:08And did that come with any sort of threat?
25:10Or is he like...
25:12Crazy.
25:12I just assumed you'd do the same thing to me.
25:14Sure.
25:15Did you ever...
25:16Were you ever in fear that day that if in any way you didn't go along with it, something
25:21could happen to you or your husband?
25:23For sure.
25:23Okay.
25:24Okay.
25:24For sure.
25:25He was screaming at everybody.
25:26Can't trust these bitches.
25:27Blah, blah, blah.
25:29Like saying that...
25:30Wait, can't trust these bitches as in like you and Jolene?
25:32Yeah.
25:33Like when you get home, or do you and your husband have a conversation?
25:36He's like, we're both mad at his brother.
25:39Like, why did he come down here and do this to us?
25:41Like, and Manuel's crying because he's like, this is the first time I've ever done this
25:44good in my life.
25:45I have everything going good for me.
25:47He's like, and then my brother comes and pulls his shit.
25:48Like, did Moises tell you guys anything about what happened?
25:52No, he just told me that he just said he freaked out and had a schizophrenic episode.
25:59Is he friends with the guy or something?
26:01Like, do you know?
26:01He said he was really good friends with him.
26:03He said the guy would bring him food every month and everything.
26:05He said he felt really bad about it.
26:07He didn't know what to do.
26:08Yeah.
26:09So did you kill anybody?
26:10No.
26:11Okay, right.
26:12What's the worst thing you did?
26:15I'm going to get him.
26:16Let him get in the car.
26:17Right.
26:18Tampering with of evidence.
26:20Okay, Katie.
26:22Katie leads detectives to the remote mountain spot where she claims the murder took place.
26:27Come on out.
26:28I'll let you kind of lead the way, okay?
26:30Just like paint the picture for me, okay?
26:32So you guys are all hanging out there.
26:34Moises and Boots.
26:35Were they fighting?
26:36No.
26:37I don't know.
26:37We're all just hanging out here and everybody just walked around and they just kind of walked
26:40up together.
26:41Did he bring an axe with him?
26:43No.
26:43And so then he brought him back with the dolly?
26:46Yeah.
26:46Okay.
26:47When they went up there, Katie, did you hear like a scream or anything or a struggle?
26:53Nothing?
26:55Okay.
26:56His brother told us he shot him.
26:58Moises said he shot him.
27:00But we never heard a gun shot and he didn't have a gun on himself.
27:03Okay.
27:03We know.
27:04Back at the station, detectives refuel Katie for the long day ahead.
27:11What's up, girl?
27:12Hey, we're going to eat your food.
27:14I'm sorry.
27:15Okay.
27:16Eat your food.
27:17It's a long day.
27:18Eat.
27:18You're going to let these get cold?
27:20Yeah.
27:20Should be a crime.
27:22Katie was taking detectives on one last trip.
27:25She was about to lead them to the exact spot where Albert's body had been dumped.
27:36We got like a cliff right here.
27:38You see this cliff?
27:40Yeah.
27:41I got it.
27:42Okay.
27:43After searching the rugged terrain, they finally located the body of Albert Pena.
27:49He had been thrown off the cliff like discarded trash and landed face down in a patch of cactus.
27:56Oh, I see.
27:56Did you plot?
27:57Yeah.
28:02Yep.
28:06We won't need recovery or search and rescue.
28:19As detectives prepared to begin interrogating Manuel, Katie warned them that her husband
28:24would never crack under pressure and turn on his own brother.
28:27Why does he not say anything?
28:32Because it's his brother.
28:33He won't say nothing, ever.
28:36Detectives were about to find out if that blood loyalty would hold up.
28:39They began by buttering him up with some free McDonald's.
28:43All right, my nice.
28:44Can I get you some food?
28:45All right, bro?
28:49Love you, babe.
28:52You all right, neighbor?
28:53Yeah, I'm just hanging out.
28:54Weren't you saying something?
28:55I said, I love you, babe.
28:57Oh, okay.
28:58Well, she's been instructed not to say anything.
28:59Okay.
29:00My fault.
29:01Detectives begin by pressing for more details about the mysterious character Katie and Manuel
29:06referred to as Boots.
29:08Like, the last time you saw this guy Boots, he had, like, a gash on his hand, right?
29:13So, did you ask, like, what happened with this dude?
29:15Like, where did this guy go?
29:17No, I guess not.
29:18Why?
29:19Does that not seem strange to you?
29:23Well, yeah, kind of.
29:24Okay.
29:25Well, but I'm just trying to figure...
29:26I'm not here to judge you.
29:27I'm like, you didn't ask.
29:28Okay, great.
29:28But if it seems strange to you, why would you not ask?
29:32Like, what was it about that you wouldn't want to know what happened with this guy?
29:36I don't know anything about this guy, so I don't know.
29:39Okay.
29:40You know?
29:40Okay.
29:41So, you don't really ask about it?
29:43No.
29:44Okay.
29:46I'm assuming Katie told them the same thing.
29:48Do you know she told them exactly what you're telling me here?
29:50Or is it going to be different?
29:51I don't know.
29:53Why?
29:53If it was different, why would it be?
29:56It shouldn't be.
29:57It shouldn't.
29:57I agree with you there.
29:59Can you think of any reason why, if Katie's story is not matching with yours, why that might be?
30:04No.
30:05Okay.
30:06Do you think it could be because she's not related to Moises, and we're not down here on accident?
30:14All right?
30:15You need to make a decision here while we're sitting here.
30:19What's it worth to you?
30:21Okay?
30:21Because you're about to make a mistake that's going to get you wrapped into something that's going to put you
30:25away for the rest of your life.
30:27And I'm not kidding.
30:28And you already know it.
30:29I do.
30:30All right.
30:30It's your brother.
30:31Yeah.
30:32I get it.
30:33We're not here by accident.
30:35So, I need you to cut the bullshit.
30:37And we need to get to the truth.
30:39Because right now, it would be just as easy for me to walk out of here and to come back
30:44with a warrant and take you in for first-degree murder and tampering with evidence.
30:49So, now that we got all the BS out of our system, okay?
30:52I'm not going to judge you.
30:53I would probably do the exact same thing as my brother.
30:57I need the truth.
30:58I'm still scared, though.
30:59Because I've been doing so good.
31:01Me and my wife and, like...
31:03I believe it.
31:04Don't derail your community.
31:05Just my mother.
31:06Don't do it.
31:07Everything else.
31:08Don't.
31:08Tell me what happened.
31:10And tell me the truth.
31:11Because the problem we have now is we sat in here for an hour listening to you pump a bunch
31:16of bullshit out.
31:17Now, what that does is your credibility is shot.
31:19We know a lot more than you think we do.
31:22Now, what?
31:22If you tell the truth, we're going to be able to fact-check that.
31:25You tell the truth, we're going to be okay.
31:27Okay?
31:28If you lie again, I'm just not going to mess with you.
31:31It's easier for me to put you in.
31:33I should go on with the days, correct?
31:35Well, then let's just start with what happened and then worry about the days later.
31:39So, the truth.
31:40Just go through.
31:41Start from the beginning of how Moises got a hold of you, where you went, what happened, and then I'll
31:45worry about the days.
31:47Please.
31:57When he called you, what did he say?
31:58You have to be accurate.
32:00I know this sucks.
32:01He says, Zane, brother.
32:05I need to talk to you.
32:06I didn't even kill me.
32:09I don't know.
32:10Nonsense.
32:12He said, I need your help.
32:13Cut it out.
32:13He said, for what?
32:15He said, they're going to kill me.
32:17They don't.
32:18He didn't even say nothing.
32:19Really.
32:21We go pick him up.
32:23And I go, what's up?
32:24Talk to me.
32:26He's like, I don't know.
32:28I don't have a vehicle.
32:30I don't have nothing.
32:30He's like, I need to do something.
32:33And so, the opening.
32:38He told you at some point what happened.
32:40What did he say happened?
32:45He said he killed somebody.
32:47Did he say why?
32:51He's too high to talk.
32:54So, he's all, please, I need some tools.
32:58So, we get dropped off.
33:01So, how long are you going to be in my car for?
33:04You know what I mean?
33:05So, you're saying that he dropped you off there and he took your car?
33:08Yeah.
33:08Okay.
33:09Do you know where he went?
33:10No.
33:10I don't.
33:11How long was he gone?
33:13Eight hours.
33:14Okay.
33:14So, he's gone about eight hours.
33:15And you're sitting here at this house?
33:17Eventually, does he come back?
33:19Yeah.
33:20Okay.
33:20What does he say?
33:22He doesn't say anything.
33:24He's just paranoid.
33:26So, he and Jaylene leave together in the vehicle alone, or without you, I should say, and they
33:31come back about eight hours later with the tools you gave them.
33:35You give those tools back to Ashley, you said?
33:37Yeah.
33:37But you said you didn't realize if there was blood on them.
33:39No, because it was dark outside.
33:41I didn't want to, he can't, he can't really see.
33:43Well, he told you he killed somebody.
33:45He told you he needed tools.
33:46He told you he needed to go.
33:48And when he comes back, there's a giant bloodstain there.
33:51Like, common sense is common sense.
33:53Like, I understand you're saying you weren't in the car.
33:55I hope you weren't.
33:56If you weren't there, I understand that, but you're smart enough to put two and two together.
34:01Yes.
34:01A normal person would try to clean that up.
34:04I'm not riding around with somebody's blood in the backseat of my car.
34:07Right.
34:08I said you tried to shampoo it.
34:09Yeah.
34:09Okay.
34:10I asked if that worked.
34:11You said no.
34:12It worked.
34:14More or less.
34:15So if I go look in the back of the blazer now, what does it look like?
34:18Everything's there and it looks like the stain is just maybe a little lighter?
34:22Or are we missing carpet?
34:24We're missing carpet.
34:25Right.
34:25Why?
34:27Because there's a bloodstain.
34:28Okay.
34:29Are you afraid of the tampering with evidence thing?
34:33I'm afraid of all of them.
34:34Okay.
34:34I get it.
34:35Who cut the carpet out?
34:36Was it you or Katie?
34:37It was me.
34:38Okay.
34:38Jaylene's going to break the second we have her in this room.
34:41She is not built like you guys.
34:42All right.
34:43If I get a different story from her, I can promise you, you're going to end up catching
34:48a first degree murder charge, tampering with evidence and everything that your brothers,
34:52even though your brother may have been the one that killed this man, the body's here.
34:57All right.
34:58So I need to know how he got up there.
35:01Did you drive him up there and drop the body off?
35:04No.
35:05Did you ever see the body?
35:06No.
35:07Was it in person that he told you he killed somebody?
35:10Or was it on the phone?
35:12No.
35:13It was in person.
35:15And he never told you why or what happened?
35:17Like why this dude did something to him?
35:20I tried.
35:21I'm going to talk to him.
35:22Why do you want to talk to him?
35:23I don't.
35:24He just said he needed a car and tools.
35:26What did you think he was going to do with the tools when he said he killed them?
35:33Dismember the body?
35:34God.
35:35What do you need that way?
35:37He asked you for tools that could be used to dismember a human body.
35:42So do you think he would have it in him to do it?
35:46I guess at the state of mind that he was in poverty.
35:50I'm more concerned.
35:51Personally, I'm more concerned with what happened to this poor man.
35:56This is an elderly guy.
35:57He didn't do anything to your brother.
35:59I don't know what your...
36:00I was really curious as to what the story would have been.
36:02This guy's in his 70s, almost 80s.
36:05He basically took your brother in and was trying to befriend him.
36:12There's a high likelihood you're going to get charged,
36:14and there's a high likelihood the state's going to expect you to come into court
36:18and explain everything that he just said here.
36:20Because we're talking about first-degree murder and robbery case.
36:23Your vehicle was used to basically transport a deceased person
36:29across two counties to dispose of the body.
36:35If you had called the police the second your brother said he killed somebody,
36:39we wouldn't be talking here.
36:41I'll tell you this.
36:42When we get up and leave this room,
36:43if I talk to somebody else or I find out that any part of what you told me is not
36:48accurate,
36:49then don't worry about it anymore.
36:51I can promise you you're going to get everything I can give you.
36:53So don't let me walk out of here.
36:55If there's something you know that you maybe didn't want to give,
36:59but you know I'm going to walk out of here, give it to me now.
37:02Once we go out there and that door closes,
37:03that's your statement.
37:04If I disprove it, then I'm throwing all of it out
37:07because I've got you dead to rights on the vehicle.
37:11So I'm not positive you didn't go back to Mountaineer and move this man's body.
37:16I'm not.
37:16I'm going to have to figure that out.
37:18And if you were up there and your brother did it,
37:21now's the time to explain it.
37:23There's no difference in being there when your brother picks this body up,
37:27okay, and brings him back down here,
37:29and waiting at somebody's house,
37:31which I'm not necessarily sure I believe for eight hours.
37:33Do you understand that?
37:34The crime is the same.
37:36But what it shows is that you're really not willing to tell the truth.
37:39You're still worried about covering your own ass.
37:41So I'm going to ask you one more time
37:43because I think we're close to getting the truth,
37:47but I don't think we're 100% there.
37:50I don't believe that you lent your brother the car.
37:54I think you went back up there with your brother.
37:56He did whatever he was going to do,
37:58and you were not going to give him your vehicle.
38:01Your brother is high on drugs.
38:03That's your only way of getting around.
38:04That makes no sense.
38:06Did you shoot the man?
38:08No.
38:08Did you stab the man?
38:09No.
38:09Oh, what happened?
38:11I'm not sure either.
38:12Did you kill him?
38:13No.
38:14Okay.
38:15Then let's take that off the table.
38:18I also, but if you went up there with your brother and you drove,
38:22then there are questions that I can ask you to confirm that,
38:25and I can get some things worked out
38:27because what you're saying isn't 100% accurate,
38:30and you're not helping yourself.
38:32Is that making sense?
38:33It's like you've already stepped in the dog shit.
38:35Like, just, let's just own it and move on.
38:39But right now, you're leaving out a fairly important part of the puzzle,
38:44and when I go back and prove that you were up there in Mountaineer,
38:47you're just going to look like a liar.
38:49And then if your brother says,
38:51Manuel killed him,
38:52I'm not sure your brother would say that,
38:54but if he did say that, I can't disprove it.
38:55Does that make sense?
38:57So why don't you tell me the truth about going up there?
39:00No, he went up there.
39:01I don't know.
39:03I'm going to walk out of here.
39:05Have I bullshitted you once?
39:08I don't know, bro.
39:09You know what I mean?
39:09Have I bullshitted you once, Manuel?
39:12I'm not here with an arrest warrant.
39:15I'm not here trying to screw with you.
39:17I'm simply asking for the truth.
39:19I know for a fact, as I sit here in front of you,
39:23and I've done nothing but been straight with you,
39:26I know for a fact that you and your wife went up there with him
39:31while he did what he needed to do as far as getting rid of the body.
39:34Okay?
39:35I already know that.
39:36It doesn't change anything.
39:38Still your brother, still there,
39:40but there are things that I need to know.
39:42So please, why are you leaving that part out?
39:45What is it about that part that you think makes this so much different?
39:49Do you think seeing the body makes you more involved or less involved?
39:55And I'm telling you, I'll leave.
39:58I'm not going to raise my voice or do anything stupid here.
40:02I'm not here to intimidate you.
40:03I'm here to get the truth.
40:04But if I'm not going to get it from you,
40:05I'm going to get it from your wife.
40:07Okay?
40:08Because your wife's terrified about going to prison.
40:11Well, I'm terrified too.
40:13Then what are you still lying for?
40:15I'm not trying to lie to you, bro.
40:16You went up to Torrance County, bro.
40:18Okay.
40:18You didn't stay at Sheriff's house.
40:20Okay, I didn't stay at Sheriff's house.
40:20I know you didn't.
40:21Okay, I didn't stay at Sheriff's house.
40:23And I didn't...
40:26Go have a dump car or anything.
40:28Okay, then tell me the truth about where you went.
40:31I don't even know where the f*** it was,
40:33but it was somewhere of Jamie's family's property.
40:38We went on it, and he did what he did.
40:40And when you said he did what he did,
40:43did it, did it...
40:44You guys are all up there.
40:45You, Katie, Jaylene, and Moises.
40:48Did you ever see the body there on that property?
40:51Tell me the truth.
40:53Where was it at on the property?
40:56At the doghouse kind of on it?
40:59Okay.
40:59Was it in something that's not as big as a house,
41:02but it's a small building
41:04that's got kind of a pitched roof
41:06and a door?
41:08I think he didn't have a door.
41:10But you think it was like a small...
41:12You said a doghouse.
41:13I did.
41:13It's kind of like a doghouse, too.
41:15Okay.
41:15What was the body rafting?
41:19It was a rafting.
41:20I don't think...
41:21You just saw him laying there, the man?
41:24I believe that's probably as close to the truth
41:27as I'm probably going to get with you today,
41:28and that's probably...
41:30I'll take it.
41:31We've got him.
41:32Okay?
41:33We know he was dumped off the cliff.
41:36Okay.
41:36Who dumped him out of the vehicle?
41:38You didn't touch him again?
41:40The man's blood around the tools.
41:42Okay.
41:44So where does your brother attempt
41:47to dismember this man's body?
41:49Where did that happen?
41:50I don't think he...
41:51He don't try it.
41:53He don't try it.
41:55Then why is there tools?
41:57Because he wanted to,
41:58but then he didn't want to deal with the mess.
42:00Okay.
42:01How scared were you driving down
42:03with a dead body in the back of your vehicle?
42:04Like, were you not terrified
42:06that some...
42:07The police were going to stop you?
42:08Yeah.
42:09Yeah.
42:10Okay.
42:11Next, detectives brought Katie in
42:13for deeper questioning.
42:14It was time to see if her story
42:16would hold up under closer scrutiny.
42:18He's like, well...
42:20And then he starts telling.
42:21He's like, oh, I killed someone.
42:22And what the...
42:23Like, what the...
42:24You know?
42:25And these people,
42:27they take him out.
42:28They pull him out of the pump house.
42:30I guess they thought a car was coming,
42:32so everybody just started running
42:34and they grabbed the body
42:35and threw it in the back of my car.
42:37In fact, in the blazer?
42:38Yeah.
42:38And I'm like, what the...
42:40Like...
42:40You know, that's my car.
42:41What the...
42:42What's going on?
42:42You know, we just got thrown
42:43and everything just got thrown
42:44and it was real quick.
42:45So then everybody's like,
42:46oh, go, go, go, go, go, go.
42:47So everybody's panicking and freaking out.
42:49And so we just came out driving.
42:51So it's an important question.
42:52You're clearly seeing what's going on.
42:54Did you ever touch the body?
42:56No.
42:56Did your husband ever touch the body?
42:58Okay.
42:59So he gets on and gets a doll
43:00and he's mad
43:01because none of us want to help him.
43:03Can that...
43:03You mean, like, you won't help him,
43:05Jaylene doesn't help him,
43:06and your husband won't?
43:06No, he's mad,
43:07cussing at all from us,
43:08like, telling us we're shot off,
43:09we're pieces of shit.
43:10What kind of family are we?
43:11And my...
43:12His husband,
43:12we're trying to do good to them.
43:14We're already...
43:15We're switched, like...
43:16Right.
43:16And he's like,
43:17we can't.
43:18And he's like,
43:18I can't, brother, I can't.
43:19And he's like,
43:20I mean, he's mad
43:21because, you know,
43:23I guess they're really close
43:23and that's not my...
43:25How am I using my husband's usual behavior
43:26because he's lived a f*** of life,
43:29so...
43:30But we're trying to do good now,
43:31so he's telling me he can't.
43:34Fine, but...
43:34He draws...
43:35So he puts...
43:36He's trying to put him on the dolly
43:37and he keeps slipping off
43:39and he's getting mad.
43:41So eventually he just
43:42throws the dolly down
43:43towards the car
43:44and pulls him down.
43:45He puts the dolly back in the car.
43:47He puts the man back in the car,
43:50the dead body,
43:51back in the car
43:52and he gets back in.
43:53Then where does he tell you to go?
43:56Drive...
43:57Drive back up to Calcroft.
44:00We're like,
44:00no, we're not doing this.
44:01We're not going to be doing this.
44:02And he's like,
44:02yeah, we knew the remote area,
44:04so I was like,
44:05we...
44:05I just want it to be over right on.
44:07So I'm like,
44:08here's this road in here.
44:08Can we just go here?
44:09I'm like,
44:09I want to be done.
44:10So did you pick that road
44:11because it's like
44:12awaiting from people?
44:13Okay.
44:14So...
44:14Did he say something?
44:16I was driving
44:16and I was like,
44:17I'm just done.
44:17I don't...
44:18This needs to stop like this.
44:20He's...
44:20It stunk so bad.
44:21I don't know how long
44:22he had been dead
44:22before we got there.
44:23I don't know.
44:24I just can't do it anymore.
44:25I'm just fighting.
44:25I just wanted it done.
44:26So I just pulled over
44:27and I was like,
44:27you don't care what's going on.
44:28You just need to get this out
44:29of my car.
44:31So you stop.
44:32What happens then?
44:33So he gets out
44:34and he puts him over the fence.
44:37And he's able to lift him
44:38up over the fence?
44:39It's already broken down.
44:40So when he went to
44:41with someone the first time,
44:43so he's not big,
44:44Moises,
44:44so he's struggling
44:45with this guy
44:45because it's just
44:46not helping him.
44:47I guess he got stuck
44:49on the fence
44:49so he's pulling it.
44:50I mean,
44:50if you're not going to
44:51help me,
44:52this guy's on the fence.
44:53But then he pulled him out
44:54and he walked through
44:55and threw him
44:56over this other part.
44:57And is that where
44:57he was found today?
44:59Yeah.
44:59Okay.
45:00Did anyone ever say
45:01anything about what happened?
45:02Like why he killed this man?
45:04He said he had a schizophrenic
45:06episode of Freak Down on him.
45:07That's what Moises said?
45:09Did he say how he killed him?
45:12Okay.
45:13From anything that you saw,
45:14like...
45:14He said that he shot him,
45:15but I didn't look at the body
45:17too much.
45:18I didn't...
45:19I didn't...
45:20But you heard Moises
45:21say he shot him?
45:22Yeah,
45:22but there was...
45:23I didn't...
45:23I wanted to see.
45:24I didn't see nothing,
45:25but I wasn't looking
45:25at the body too closely.
45:27Just show up
45:28and tell the truth.
45:28It's all that we can do
45:29with this.
45:30I appreciate it,
45:31and I know the family's
45:32going to appreciate you
45:33doing that.
45:35Yeah.
45:35It's a big deal.
45:36They've been worried
45:37sick about him.
45:37I think everybody
45:38kind of knew
45:38something bad happened,
45:39but they didn't know exactly.
45:40Yeah,
45:41and I asked Jalene
45:41because I couldn't
45:42ever talk to her
45:43by myself,
45:43so I couldn't...
45:44Maybe I finally
45:45got out of the car
45:45and I said,
45:46has he been reported
45:47missing or what?
45:48She's like,
45:49well, yeah,
45:49his son,
45:50and then I just
45:50like broke my heart,
45:51you know?
45:52We sat down not long ago
45:54right in front of Moises
45:55and he just said,
45:56I don't know
45:57what you're talking about.
45:58So some people
45:59have a heart
45:59and some don't.
46:00After a long night
46:01of interrogations,
46:02detectives bring in
46:03Jalene,
46:04Moises' girlfriend,
46:05for the final interview.
46:06At this point,
46:07the lead detective
46:08is exhausted
46:09and out of patience.
46:10There's no easing in.
46:12He cuts straight to it
46:13and makes it clear
46:14he has zero tolerance
46:15for any more BS.
46:17Try to get a hold
46:18of yourself
46:18and explain what's going on
46:19and we're going to get
46:20to the bottom of this,
46:20okay?
46:21Yeah.
46:22Okay.
46:22Yeah, no,
46:23I'm scared.
46:24Okay.
46:24Well,
46:25I'm going to be honest
46:25with you.
46:26You have a reason
46:27to be scared,
46:28but I'm going to tell you
46:29that we can get
46:30through this,
46:31but you have to be honest.
46:33I'm all done
46:34with the games
46:34and the lead up
46:35and all the bullshit.
46:37You're the last person
46:38I want to go home,
46:39so we're just going
46:40to get right to it.
46:41The first time
46:42you lie to me,
46:43I will make sure
46:43that that gets
46:45basically held against you
46:46when we get to court,
46:47okay?
46:48This is basically
46:48a decision
46:49that's going to make
46:50a difference for you
46:51for the rest of your life.
46:53Unless you want
46:54to be going to jail
46:54for a first-degree
46:55murder charge,
46:56you need to think,
46:57don't play this game
46:58like you don't know
46:59what I'm talking about.
47:00Listen to me.
47:01Listen to me.
47:02If you want to,
47:03I'll walk away right now,
47:04and I promise you
47:05this isn't going to end well,
47:07okay?
47:08I'm not playing
47:09this game with you.
47:10You know exactly
47:11why we're here.
47:12We've already talked
47:13to Katie,
47:14okay?
47:15We have Moises,
47:16and I've already
47:17talked to Manuel,
47:18okay?
47:18This is no joke,
47:20okay?
47:21We have Albert,
47:22okay?
47:23So the thing is,
47:24if you want to play
47:24this game like you
47:25don't know what's going on,
47:26it'll save me time
47:28and we'll just
47:28take you back
47:29to Torrance,
47:30okay?
47:30I know you didn't
47:32kill him.
47:32Do you understand that?
47:33Okay.
47:34But it's what
47:35happened after that
47:36that becomes
47:37extremely important.
47:38You got tangled up
47:39into something
47:40that you have no business
47:41getting tangled up in.
47:42Do you understand that?
47:44Yes or no?
47:46Yeah,
47:46but I didn't do anything.
47:49So you're saying
47:50that you don't know
47:51anything I'm talking about?
47:53You want to take
47:54this one, Jenna?
47:55I don't know what
47:55kids are talking
47:56about a missing person,
47:57but...
47:57I'm talking about
47:58a murder,
47:59okay?
47:59I don't know
48:00nothing about a murder.
48:01You don't?
48:02No.
48:02So the three people
48:03that we've talked to
48:04already,
48:04they're lying?
48:06I don't know.
48:07We already know
48:08about the property
48:08off of Bronco
48:09with the blood,
48:11the footprints.
48:12You're going to
48:12play this game with me.
48:14I dare you to
48:15stay with that story.
48:18You want to go
48:19to prison for this?
48:20No.
48:20Then stop
48:21with the bullshit.
48:23We're not here.
48:24This isn't someone
48:24just coming by
48:25to check on you.
48:26Yeah, I know.
48:26You already have a warrant.
48:28I already know
48:29about you guys
48:29bringing the body
48:30down from Taurus.
48:31You were there.
48:33He's the one
48:34that got you
48:34involved in this,
48:36okay?
48:36But you were there.
48:37You were in the vehicle
48:38with two other,
48:39three other people,
48:40okay?
48:41You witnessed things
48:42that you probably
48:43shouldn't have seen.
48:44The problem you have
48:45is taking them
48:46over to the property
48:47on Bronco,
48:48okay?
48:49I didn't take them
48:50bullshit.
48:51I can prove you did.
48:53I can prove you did.
48:54I want my lawyer.
48:56Okay.
48:56I didn't do anything.
48:57I didn't do anything.
48:58You were going to,
48:59that's perfectly fine.
49:00And actually,
49:01that saves me
49:01a ton of time.
49:02Because when we're in
49:03court,
49:04you're going to
49:04regret sticking
49:05with this story.
49:06Because you're going
49:07to take a ride for this.
49:09Did you tell me
49:10what they said?
49:11I'm not telling you
49:11anything.
49:12You want a lawyer?
49:13We're going to take you
49:14back to Torrance.
49:17We're going to go back
49:18to Torrance
49:18and you're going
49:19to take the ride
49:19for this.
49:20Why am I taking
49:21the ride for this?
49:22Because you're a liar.
49:23Why am I a liar?
49:24I don't know.
49:24I don't know if it's
49:25because you're scared
49:26or it's genetic
49:27or what.
49:28I'm scared.
49:29Okay.
49:30Well,
49:30now you're going to lie.
49:31So basically,
49:31now what's going to happen
49:32is I'm going to go
49:33into court.
49:33I'm going to prove
49:34you're a liar.
49:35No,
49:35because I'm not
49:36going to lie.
49:37You're lying to me.
49:38How would I do?
49:39You said you don't
49:40know what happened.
49:41It's that simple,
49:42Jaylene.
49:43It doesn't work that way.
49:45That's a lie.
49:47Okay.
49:47Go ahead and get him
49:48an old problem.
49:49I didn't do anything.
49:50No.
49:50I didn't do anything.
49:52You're under arrest
49:53for tampering
49:54with evidence
49:54upon a first degree murder.
49:56I didn't tamper
49:56an issue.
49:57Yes, you did.
49:57No, I didn't.
49:58Yeah, you did.
49:59No, you don't mean
50:00that.
50:00Your promise
50:01doesn't mean anything
50:02to me.
50:02I didn't do anything.
50:03Yeah.
50:04What you're used to
50:05is you're used to
50:06just being able to cry
50:07and tell people
50:07you didn't do something.
50:09You're a liar.
50:11No, you were
50:12there on Bronco
50:13when they took the body.
50:14I'm not, yes, you were.
50:16So how'd they end up
50:16on your family's property?
50:17Don't answer that
50:18because I'm not supposed
50:19to be asking
50:19any more questions.
50:20We know.
50:20Yeah, well, we already
50:21know why they were there
50:22and you were there.
50:23Why were they there?
50:26We've dealt with you
50:26multiple times
50:27and we've always been
50:28straight up.
50:29Bauer has always been
50:30straight up with you.
50:32I've never liked him.
50:34I was just barely
50:35my second time
50:35I've never even met him.
50:37Just go get the
50:37transport officer.
50:38What are you doing?
50:39I told you.
50:40It's a first degree
50:41murder case.
50:42I know, but
50:43first degree murder
50:44means that you did it.
50:45No, it doesn't.
50:46There's conspiracy.
50:48No, but I can't.
50:50I'm not going to answer
50:51any good questions,
50:52okay?
50:53You really didn't
50:54do yourself
50:55any favors today.
50:56I didn't do nothing.
50:57You're a liar.
50:58No, I'm not.
51:00I promise you.
51:01I didn't do nothing.
51:03I didn't do anything.
51:05I didn't do nothing.
51:07You don't need to say
51:08anything else.
51:09You're just,
51:09now you're just
51:10wasting my time.
51:11No, I swear.
51:12No, I swear.
51:13I swear.
51:13I wouldn't do that.
51:20I'm not.
51:25I've always told you
51:27the truth.
51:27You're lying.
51:30And Albert's family
51:31deserved better than that.
51:32You should be,
51:33you should be,
51:34you should be,
51:34don't sit here and say that.
51:36You should be ashamed
51:36of yourself.
51:38He's a good guy
51:39and you let him
51:39throw him on the side
51:40of the f***ing mountain
51:41like he's a piece of trash.
51:43You should be ashamed
51:43of yourself.
51:45Ridiculous.
51:46He's a good man,
51:47but we'll just throw him
51:48here on the side
51:49of the mountain.
51:49F***ing, right?
51:51Sounds just a good guy.
51:53He's a good guy.
51:55Me.
52:05He's a good guy.
52:07He's a good guy.
52:08He's a good guy.
52:10He's a good guy.
52:11He's a good guy.
52:12He's a good guy.
52:13As of now,
52:14the case against Moises
52:15is still in its earliest stage.
52:16The criminal complaint
52:17was just filed
52:18on April 2nd
52:19and he is facing
52:20first degree murder
52:21along with the additional
52:23charges of robbery
52:24and tampering with evidence.
52:25If convicted,
52:26he faces the most
52:27serious penalty
52:28under New Mexico law,
52:30life in prison
52:31for first degree murder.
52:32The additional charges
52:34could add several more years
52:35on top of a life sentence.
52:37So far,
52:38no pleas have been entered
52:39and no court dates
52:40have been set yet.
52:41Katie's case
52:42is further along.
52:43Prosecutors filed the case
52:45on February 27th,
52:46charging her
52:47with tampering with evidence
52:48and conspiracy
52:49to tamper with evidence.
52:50A pre-child conference
52:51is scheduled for August
52:53with a jury trial
52:54set for September 14th,
52:562026.
52:57Her husband,
52:58Manuel,
52:58faces the same charges
52:59but currently
53:00has no court days set.
53:02If convicted,
53:03they could face
53:03significant prison time.
53:05Tampering with evidence
53:06as a third degree felony
53:07carries up to three years
53:09in state prison,
53:10while conspiracy
53:11to tamper with evidence
53:12as a fourth degree felony
53:13carries up to 18 months.
53:15Those sentences
53:16could potentially be stacked
53:17along with fines.
53:19Jaylene was originally charged
53:20with the same two felony offenses,
53:23tampering with evidence
53:23and conspiracy
53:24to commit tampering
53:25with evidence.
53:26Jaylene's court case
53:27already began back in January
53:29and after appearing in court,
53:31she was released
53:31and allowed to be free
53:32while the case proceeded.
53:34But then,
53:34just a few weeks later,
53:35on February 16th,
53:37the state dropped
53:38both charges.
53:39Prosecutors chose
53:40not to pursue the case
53:41and the charges
53:42were dismissed
53:43without prejudice,
53:44meaning her case
53:45is no longer active
53:46but the state
53:47could potentially
53:48file charges again
53:49in the future
53:50if new evidence emerges.
53:52Albert Peña
53:53left behind a large family,
53:55seven grandchildren,
53:56four great-grandchildren
53:57and the dogs he rescued
53:58and cared for
53:59at his home in Mountain Air.
54:01To the people who knew him,
54:02Albert wasn't just a name
54:04in a police report.
54:04He was a friend,
54:06a neighbor,
54:07a man remembered
54:08for kindness.
54:08he was a man
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