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00:14Good morning! It's Tuj, 21 April
00:18I'm Majd Gwyn
00:20And you're watching Europe Today
00:22Your daily dose of live news and analysis here on Euronews
00:27Coming up today, EU foreign ministers gather in Luxembourg
00:31with the two conflict hotspots in Ukraine and Iran high on the agenda.
00:37Ukraine's foreign minister Andriy Sidiha will dial into the meeting
00:41as will the prime minister of Lebanon, Nawaf Salam.
00:44We'll bring you the latest from our correspondent on the ground.
00:47Also, with the ceasefire in the war on Iran hanging in the balance
00:51and the next phase of peace talks uncertain,
00:54the Middle East is again on a knife edge.
00:57We bring you an exclusive interview with the UK ambassador to the United Arab Emirates.
01:03And Norway's foreign minister Espen Barthayda has told Europe today that,
01:08quote, the road to a Palestine state will be under UN principles
01:13after a conference in Brussels scene as a response to Donald Trump's controversial Gaza peace board.
01:20We'll bring you more from that exclusive interview during the show.
01:23And Ukraine's Zelensky has said the Druzhva pipeline will be operational again by the end of April,
01:30raising the prospects of restored Russian oil flows to Hungary and Slovakia.
01:35It could mean the imminent unblocking of the EU's 90 billion euro loan to Ukraine.
01:41But first, to our top story this morning,
01:44because EU foreign affairs ministers are meeting in Luxembourg this morning
01:49to discuss Ukraine, but also the Middle East.
01:52Three member states, Spain, Ireland and Slovenia,
01:55are expected to call for a tougher stance against Israel
01:59for what they say are clear breaches of the EU-Israel Association Agreement.
02:03We can now cross over, I believe, to our correspondent, Shona Murray,
02:08who is standing by there in Luxembourg for us.
02:11Good morning, Shona.
02:12Good to have you on the show.
02:13Ukraine obviously featuring prominently in that meeting today
02:17and hopes there could be a breakthrough in the EU's financial support to Ukraine.
02:24That's right, Mered.
02:25A fairly momentous EU foreign affairs council about to happen in the next few hours
02:29in the building just behind me here,
02:31where it's likely that there'll be a political discussion
02:34about unblocking the 90 billion euro loan for Ukraine,
02:37which, as we know, had been stopped by the Hungarian government,
02:41Viktor Orban, over a dispute in relation to the Drozba pipeline,
02:45which is the pipeline that flows Russian oil through Ukraine to Hungary and Slovakia.
02:50It appears now that dispute is being resolved
02:52and there will be an opportunity then for that 90 billion euro to go to Ukraine.
02:57But even more so for this foreign affairs council,
03:00it's the first time it's happening since the Hungarian elections.
03:03And in the last one back in February,
03:05which took place the day before the anniversary of the fourth year
03:08of the Russian invasion of Ukraine,
03:10Hungary was blocking not only the 90 billion euros,
03:12but it was blocking the access for Ukraine to the European Peace Facility,
03:16which allows the EU transfer weapons to Ukraine.
03:19It was blocking the passage of access to Ukraine
03:22to become a member of the European Union.
03:26And it was also blocking the sanctions package.
03:29So, you know, EU foreign affairs ministers were furious at the time
03:32with Peter Zarto, the Hungarian foreign affairs minister.
03:36And he's not even showing up here today.
03:38So it seems like a new dawn in relation to EU, Hungary and Ukraine relationships.
03:44Marit.
03:45And Shona, if we can shift to the Middle East,
03:48obviously also featuring on the agenda.
03:51And there are three countries, Spain, Ireland, Slovenia,
03:54who want tougher action against Israel
03:57in response to the situation both in Lebanon and in Palestine.
04:01Tell us more.
04:04That's right.
04:05A letter emerged from those three countries at the weekend
04:07calling for a stronger discussion within the Foreign Affairs Council
04:10about taking action against Israel
04:13for what it says are breaches of the Israel-EU Association agreement.
04:17Now, it's likely that discussion will take place
04:20because what they're saying is even more has happened
04:23even in the last year in relation to maybe Israel's assault in Lebanon,
04:27the war there.
04:28But also the EU has been very concerned about a law passed in the Knesset in Israel
04:33which allows for the execution of Palestinians convicted of murder but not Israelis.
04:39And that law has passed, although could come before the Supreme Court.
04:42But first of all, just take a listen to the EU Foreign Policy Chief, Kaya Callas,
04:46speaking about the situation in Palestine yesterday.
04:49We can and must do more to ensure respect for human rights and accountability
04:56to protect the Palestinian people
05:00and to put the two-state solution solidly on the table again.
05:05And this is the only way that both the Palestinians and Israelis
05:09can live in safety, dignity and peace.
05:15EU Foreign Affairs Policy Chief, Kaya Callas,
05:18speaking about the situation in Palestine,
05:20saying the EU needs to do more.
05:21But I've spoken to several diplomats from many countries
05:24over the past few days in relation to this
05:25and it doesn't look like the EU will change its policy.
05:29First of all, to suspend even a part of the EU-Israel Association agreement,
05:33you need a qualified majority.
05:35And that doesn't exist because even though Germany,
05:38the German Chancellor Friedrich Merz,
05:40has had a robust and intense conversation
05:42with Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel about the situation
05:44in the West Bank, Palestine, Lebanon and so on,
05:47it looks like Germany won't be changing its stance
05:50and won't be taking action.
05:51So therefore, the numbers aren't there for even partial suspension,
05:54let alone a full suspension of this agreement.
05:57Maret?
05:58Okay, Shauna, thank you so much for that.
05:59And I know you'll be speaking to Luxembourg's Foreign Minister
06:02and Deputy Prime Minister, Xavier Betel,
06:05later this morning.
06:05We'll bring you that interview from Shauna on tomorrow's show.
06:10But now, the Norwegian Foreign Minister,
06:13Espen Bartheider, was in town in Brussels yesterday
06:16to co-chair a meeting on promoting a two-state solution for Palestine.
06:20He spoke to our Europe editor, Maria Tadeo,
06:24shortly after that meeting.
06:25Maria started by asking him about the situation
06:28in the Middle East and whether he feared a return
06:30to hostilities between the US, Israel and Iran
06:34is the most likely scenario as the expiration
06:37of the ceasefire nears.
06:40Well, these are quite different questions.
06:43If you look at Iran, I would say the difficult part
06:48is that the sides are far apart.
06:51I mean, first, their demands are far apart,
06:54although they have been working on them.
06:55I think there's been some progress,
06:57but also because one party or the other party
07:01is asking the other party to do some of the things
07:04in the ceasefire before they go to the meeting.
07:06So my advice will be go to the meeting,
07:08talk to each other.
07:09On the good side, I think there is a motive
07:12in both countries, both in the US and Iran.
07:14The war was highly unpopular in the US
07:17and created a lot of havoc in the world economy.
07:19And I also think that Iran, who has been severely battered
07:23through the attacks, would like to avoid
07:25the continuation of war.
07:26So there is a motive.
07:27And let's all try to work to help them
07:29to go in the peaceful direction.
07:32This is not only an issue for the two sides,
07:35but it affects the whole world economy.
07:37And what role for the Europeans?
07:38Because President Trump has expressed his frustration
07:41at the Europeans and NATO too,
07:43saying they have not done anything.
07:45This is a paper tiger.
07:46Without the US, they are not capable.
07:49What's your response?
07:50Well, you know, I believe very much in NATO.
07:53I believe NATO is good for all its members,
07:55including the United States.
07:58There are so many other things NATO does.
08:00And by standing together,
08:02we are defending the transatlantic area.
08:04But NATO is a defensive alliance.
08:06It's not an attack alliance.
08:07It's, you know, there have been occasions
08:10where we have joined forces
08:12in entering into faraway battles.
08:15But that has then been well prepared
08:16beforehand.
08:17One has made the argument,
08:18one has invited the allies
08:22and collective decisions has been made.
08:24None of that was tried before the Iran war.
08:27So there was a very limited appetite
08:30to be part of the war.
08:32However, many NATO countries,
08:34including my own Norway,
08:36is now dedicated to work on making sure
08:39that the Hormuz Strait is open
08:42and remains open,
08:43not as NATO,
08:44but as in the context of a broad coalition
08:47of interested parties
08:48who are third parties to the conflict,
08:50who are not fighting with either side,
08:53but who have a shared interest
08:54in protecting the principle
08:58of freedom of navigation at sea.
09:00So NATO countries are doing something,
09:02but it's not as party to a conflict.
09:05Just finally, just so we understand,
09:07the reconstruction and the construction
09:09of a two-state solution,
09:10is that going to be handled
09:12by the Board of Peace
09:13with many legal questions
09:14around the role that President Trump plays?
09:16Or is this an international UN-backed path?
09:19So the road to one unified Palestinian state
09:23will be under the principles
09:25established by the UN over many years.
09:28And there are many countries
09:29that are strongly dedicated.
09:31Remember that almost 160 countries
09:34have now recognized Palestine as a state.
09:37That is way more than three quarters
09:39of the membership of the UN.
09:41So this is clearly the world's view on this.
09:44There has to be a Palestinian state.
09:46It still takes time.
09:47But we need to ensure that that happens
09:50in such a way that we have
09:51one unified Palestine
09:52under a solid democratic governance
09:55able to live in peace
09:57with its neighbor Israel.
09:58And it's not around the corner.
10:00Israelis have said
10:01that not has been achieved, however.
10:02They say there's still terrorism operating
10:04and they have to leave in security.
10:06Are you taking in their feedback?
10:08Well, so we absolutely want to make sure
10:11that the people of Israel
10:13can live in peace as well
10:14and that they can be free of terrorism
10:17from their neighborhoods.
10:18But then you also have to contribute
10:19to making your neighborhood
10:21a place where people like to live peacefully.
10:24So a two-state solution
10:25under the auspices
10:26of the Palestinian government
10:28with the rights and responsibilities
10:30that comes by being a state
10:32with adequate international support
10:34should be precisely the neighbor
10:36and partner
10:36that would make it possible
10:38to live peacefully
10:39and not in eternal war for Israel.
10:41So when we in Norway
10:42for many years
10:44have dedicated so much work
10:45to the two-state solution
10:46we do it for Palestine
10:47but we also do it for Israel
10:49because we remain convinced
10:51that in the long run
10:52this is the only viable solution
10:55for real peace
10:56in a very troubled region.
11:00Maria Tadeo speaking
11:01to the Norwegian foreign minister there.
11:03As we heard from Shona earlier
11:05Spain is leading calls
11:06for the suspension
11:07of the EU's trade
11:09and cooperation agreement
11:10with Israel
11:10over what it describes
11:12as persistent
11:13human rights violations.
11:14The proposal is not expected
11:16to get the necessary support
11:17from EU ministers
11:18and this is not the first time
11:19the prospect of reviewing
11:21or suspending the agreement
11:22is raised by EU leaders.
11:25Our Jacob Janes explains.
11:29Spanish Prime Minister
11:30Pedro Sánchez
11:31is on a mission
11:32and he won't let go.
11:33And today
11:34once again
11:35he will formally propose
11:36severing the EU's
11:37association agreement
11:38with Israel.
11:40Sánchez has accused
11:41Netanyahu
11:42of setting the Middle East
11:43on fire
11:44and has doubled down
11:45on his criticism
11:46of the war in Iran
11:47and Israeli attacks
11:49on Lebanon.
11:50The proposal
11:51has already hit a wall
11:52multiple times.
11:54Will it work this time?
11:57Established in 2000
11:59the EU-Israel
12:00association agreement
12:01is the bedrock
12:02of the economic
12:02and political relationship.
12:04and for months
12:05Spain, Ireland
12:06and Slovenia
12:07have demanded
12:07an urgent review.
12:09Now
12:10a European citizens
12:11initiative
12:11titled
12:12Justice for Palestine
12:13with over
12:14one million signatures
12:16is forcing the issue
12:17onto the agenda.
12:18Crucially
12:19a possible suspension
12:20would not mean
12:21a full trade ban.
12:23About 60%
12:24of Israeli exports
12:25to the EU
12:26already enjoy
12:27zero tariffs
12:28under standard
12:29World Trade Organization
12:30rules.
12:31However,
12:32the remaining 37%
12:33rely on a special
12:34duty-free treatment
12:35granted exclusively
12:36by this agreement.
12:38Suspending it
12:39would slap
12:40sudden tariffs
12:41on Israeli machinery,
12:42medical devices
12:43and pharmaceuticals.
12:45And the EU
12:46is Israel's
12:47largest trading partner
12:48with a relationship
12:49worth more than
12:5045 billion euro a year.
12:53The European Commission
12:54estimates
12:54this would hit
12:55Israeli experts
12:56with an extra
12:57227 million euro
12:59a year in duties
13:00and freeze millions
13:01in bilateral EU funding
13:03for ongoing
13:03cooperation projects.
13:05To fully scrub
13:07the deal
13:07the EU needs
13:08everyone to agree.
13:09However,
13:10suspending
13:10just the trade
13:11privileges
13:12requires only
13:13qualified majority votes.
13:15And although
13:16Israel has lost
13:17one of its
13:17staunchest allies
13:18in Viktor Orbán's
13:19Hungary
13:19and with Italy
13:21taking a harder line
13:22amid attacks
13:23on Christian
13:23places of faith,
13:25the proposal
13:26still faces
13:27an uphill battle.
13:33Jakob Janis there.
13:34Now moving on,
13:35there are
13:36growing expectations
13:37as we heard
13:37on the top of the show
13:38that the rift
13:39between Hungary
13:40and Ukraine
13:40over the Drusba pipeline
13:42could be resolved soon.
13:43Hungary's outgoing
13:44Prime Minister
13:44Viktor Orbán
13:45has hinted
13:46he could drop
13:47his veto
13:47on EU financial
13:48support to Ukraine
13:49once the pipeline
13:50is repaired
13:51and is operational again.
13:53I'm joined
13:53for more
13:54by our Ukraine
13:55correspondent
13:55Sasha Vakulina
13:56who joins me
13:57in the studio.
13:57Good morning, Sasha.
13:58Zelensky gave
13:59an interview
14:00last night.
14:01When did he say
14:02that this pipeline
14:03could be back
14:03in operation?
14:04There are indeed
14:05signs, Maria,
14:05that it might be
14:06back and running
14:08imminently
14:09any day now.
14:11Let's take a look
14:12at the timeline
14:14of what's been
14:14happening
14:15with Drusba pipeline
14:15which is indeed
14:17transporting
14:18Russia's cheap
14:18oil to Hungary
14:20and Slovakia.
14:20Now,
14:21it was damaged
14:22in the Russian drone
14:23attack at the end
14:24of January
14:24and then
14:25on the 5th
14:26of March
14:26Volodymyr Zelensky
14:27would take
14:28from 6 to 8 weeks
14:30for Ukraine
14:31to repair
14:31Drusba.
14:32Now,
14:32it's been
14:337 weeks
14:34since that statement.
14:36So,
14:36there we go.
14:36This is the timeline
14:37and indeed
14:38the expectations
14:39are that
14:39it might be
14:40up and running
14:40any time now.
14:42Hungary's
14:43Prime Minister
14:44elect
14:44Petr
14:45Madyar
14:45said
14:46he hopes
14:47to have
14:48it back
14:48as soon as
14:49possible.
14:49What I can say
14:50to the Ukrainian
14:51president
14:51although we
14:52have not
14:53spoken
14:54is that
14:54this is
14:55not a game.
14:55If the
14:56Drusba pipeline
14:56is in condition
14:57to carry oil
14:58then it should
14:59be reopened
15:00as promised.
15:01And this
15:01is where
15:01it is
15:02this rare
15:02moment
15:02when Budapest
15:03and Kyiv
15:04are actually
15:04aligned
15:05because this
15:05is exactly
15:06what
15:06Volodymyr Zelensky
15:07said and did
15:08in that big
15:08interview
15:09you've mentioned
15:09to the Ukrainian
15:10television
15:10when he said
15:11for our part
15:12we will
15:13fulfill
15:13what we
15:13promised
15:14by the end
15:14of April.
15:15The Hungarians
15:16I think
15:16will fulfill
15:16what they
15:17promised.
15:17They will
15:18unblock
15:1890 billion
15:19and the EU
15:20will fulfill
15:20what they
15:21promised
15:21an agreement
15:22with the
15:22Hungarians
15:23with the
15:23new government
15:24and with
15:25the others.
15:25And in that
15:26interview
15:26Sasha
15:26Zelensky
15:27also outlining
15:28what he
15:29expects
15:30of the
15:30European Union
15:31now.
15:31Indeed
15:32there are
15:32few other
15:33decisions
15:33that Kyiv
15:34is expecting
15:35to get
15:36unblocked
15:36now.
15:36First of
15:37all of
15:37course
15:37this is
15:38the new
15:38package
15:38of
15:38sanctions
15:39against
15:39Russia
15:40also
15:40blocked
15:41by Hungary
15:41but also
15:42there is
15:42EU
15:43accession
15:44process
15:44for Kyiv
15:45and this
15:45is something
15:45that's been
15:46vetoed
15:47consistently
15:47by Hungary
15:48by Budapest
15:49even before
15:50Druzhba
15:50pipeline
15:51gets damaged
15:52in the
15:52drone
15:52attack
15:53in the
15:53end of
15:54January
15:54Ukraine
15:55is expecting
15:55to have
15:56some
15:56clusters
15:57opened.
15:58This is
15:58the big
15:59veto
15:59of Hungary
16:00and in
16:01mid-March
16:02Ukraine
16:02and the
16:03European Union
16:04said that
16:04they are
16:04going
16:04technically
16:06in technical
16:06process
16:07of unblocking
16:08those clusters
16:08and opening
16:09to make
16:09sure that
16:10Kyiv
16:10is doing
16:11all the
16:12homework
16:12to be ready
16:13for when
16:13the moment
16:14comes
16:14and the
16:14big
16:14expectation
16:15for Kyiv
16:16is now
16:16that
16:16the moment
16:17has come
16:18indeed
16:18for that.
16:19Sasha,
16:19I'm sure
16:19we'll be
16:20hearing more
16:20about that
16:20in the
16:21coming weeks.
16:21Thank you
16:22for that.
16:23We're moving
16:23on to the
16:24Middle East
16:25again now
16:25with the
16:26ceasefire
16:27in the
16:27US and
16:27Israel's
16:28war
16:28against
16:28Iran
16:29due to
16:29expire
16:30tomorrow.
16:31President
16:31Donald Trump
16:32has said
16:32overnight
16:32it's
16:33highly
16:33unlikely
16:34he'll
16:34extend
16:35the
16:35truce
16:35unless
16:36a deal
16:37with
16:37Iran
16:37is
16:37reached
16:38before
16:38then.
16:39For
16:39more,
16:39we can
16:40cross over
16:40now to
16:40Dubai
16:41and to
16:41our
16:41correspondent
16:42Jane
16:43Witherspoon.
16:44Good to
16:44have you
16:44back,
16:45Jane.
16:46There were
16:46expectations
16:47of a
16:48second round
16:48of peace
16:49talks
16:49yesterday,
16:50also today.
16:51Where do
16:51we stand
16:52right now?
16:55Good
16:55morning.
16:56Well,
16:56there are
16:56lots of
16:57conflicting
16:57information
16:58going around
16:59everywhere at
16:59the moment
17:00as to
17:00whether
17:00those
17:01talks
17:02will
17:02take
17:02place
17:03in
17:03Islamabad.
17:04It's
17:05a waiting
17:05game
17:05for now.
17:06Obviously,
17:06the Iranians
17:07are keeping
17:07everyone
17:08hanging on
17:08until the
17:09last
17:09moment
17:09with no
17:10clear
17:10direction
17:11as to
17:11what
17:11they're
17:12going
17:12to
17:12do.
17:13And
17:13we
17:13are
17:13of
17:14course
17:14less
17:15than
17:1548
17:16hours
17:16until
17:17that
17:18cease
17:18line
17:18deadline
17:19ends.
17:20President
17:20Donald
17:21Trump
17:21has
17:21vowed
17:22to
17:22maintain
17:22the
17:23blockade.
17:24He's
17:24also
17:24threatened
17:25to
17:25start
17:26bombing
17:26if
17:27an
17:27agreement
17:27is
17:27not
17:28made
17:28by
17:28Wednesday
17:29evening.
17:30Meanwhile,
17:31the
17:31Iranians
17:31have
17:32said
17:32that
17:32they're
17:32not
17:32prepared
17:33to
17:33enter
17:33into
17:34any
17:34negotiations
17:35under
17:35the
17:35shadow
17:36of
17:36threats.
17:37And
17:37Jane,
17:39UK
17:40ambassador
17:40to
17:40the
17:40UAE
17:41about
17:42the
17:42situation
17:42in
17:42the
17:42Middle
17:43East
17:43yesterday.
17:43What
17:44did he
17:44have
17:44to
17:44say?
17:47Well,
17:48I think
17:48this goes
17:48further than
17:49the
17:49British
17:49embassy.
17:50I
17:50think
17:50everybody
17:50is
17:51in
17:51agreement
17:51that
17:52this
17:52needs
17:52to
17:52de-escalate.
17:54Everyone
17:54is in
17:55agreement
17:55that
17:56there's
17:57no
17:58further
17:58regional
17:59conflict
17:59and
18:00global
18:00disruption.
18:01As
18:02you
18:02mentioned,
18:03the
18:03UK,
18:03the
18:03British
18:03ambassador
18:04to
18:04the
18:05UAE
18:05is
18:05Ed
18:06Hobart.
18:06I
18:06sat
18:06down
18:07with
18:07him
18:07for
18:08an
18:08exclusive
18:08interview
18:09with
18:09Euronews.
18:10He
18:10told
18:10me
18:11about
18:11the
18:11UK's
18:12stance
18:12on
18:12the
18:12war.
18:13He
18:13did
18:13also
18:14emphasise
18:14that
18:15there
18:15still
18:15is
18:16a
18:16risk
18:17for
18:17escalation
18:18here
18:18in
18:19the
18:19Middle
18:19East.
18:20The
18:21Prime
18:21Minister
18:21has
18:21been
18:21very
18:22clear
18:23that
18:23this
18:23wasn't
18:24the
18:24UK's
18:25war.
18:25It
18:25wasn't
18:26something
18:26we
18:26wanted
18:27to
18:27take
18:27place.
18:28But
18:29particularly
18:30in
18:30defence
18:30of
18:31the
18:31Gulf
18:32countries,
18:33we
18:33have
18:34enabled
18:34the
18:35US
18:35to
18:37use
18:37of
18:38British
18:38military
18:39bases
18:39in
18:40the
18:40UK
18:41and
18:41elsewhere.
18:43In
18:44terms
18:44of
18:45the
18:45Straits
18:45of
18:45Hormuz,
18:46what we
18:47want is
18:48the
18:48law of
18:48the
18:48sea
18:48to be
18:49followed
18:49and
18:50for
18:50these
18:50international
18:51thoroughfares
18:52which are
18:52critical
18:52to the
18:53global
18:53economy,
18:54not just
18:54the
18:54economy
18:55here,
18:55not
18:56just
18:56the
18:56economy
18:56in
18:56Europe,
18:57but
18:57actually
18:58in
18:58particular
18:58the
18:58economy
18:59in
18:59the
19:00Far
19:00East
19:00to
19:01be
19:01open
19:01and
19:02flowing.
19:03So
19:03we
19:04don't
19:04want
19:04blockades,
19:05we
19:05don't
19:05want
19:06Iran
19:07or
19:07others
19:08causing
19:09danger
19:09to
19:10merchant
19:11shipping
19:11in
19:12this
19:12region.
19:15That was
19:15the UK
19:16ambassador
19:16to the
19:16UAE
19:17and
19:18thank
19:18you
19:18so
19:18much
19:18Shane
19:18for
19:19that
19:19update
19:19from
19:20Dubai
19:20but
19:20that's
19:21all
19:21we
19:21have
19:21time
19:21for
19:22for
19:22today
19:22thank
19:23you
19:23so
19:23much
19:23for
19:23tuning
19:24in
19:24to
19:24Europe
19:25today
19:25we'll
19:25be
19:26back
19:26with
19:26more
19:26news
19:27and
19:27more
19:27analysis
19:28at
19:28the
19:28same
19:29time
19:29same
19:29place
19:30tomorrow
19:30morning
19:30we hope
19:31to see
19:31you
19:32then
19:32and
19:32we'll
19:32see
19:33you
19:33very
19:33soon
19:33here
19:34on
19:34Euronews
20:00Euronews
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