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00:02Neil was charismatic and witty, just a nice, normal man.
00:08More cuddles, Ralph. More cuddles.
00:12That was the ruse.
00:15There's something very strange about this baby.
00:18You can keep the baby. Great for you.
00:20But it ain't mine, darling. It seriously, seriously isn't mine.
00:26Tina was in absolute shock.
00:29I've spoken to probably 200 people who Neil traumatized.
00:37I've had to pretty much talk girls off the ledge.
00:41I didn't realize the gravity of the situation that I escaped from.
00:45Everything he told me was a lie.
00:47I'd never seen anything as extreme as this.
00:52I'm in a corner where he's in love.
00:55I would like him to suffer.
00:59Slowly, courteously.
01:01Someone really needs to stop him.
01:25I'm Andrea Gunning, and this is Betrayal.
01:27A show about the people we trust the most, and the deceptions that change everything.
01:33Today, I'm talking with Tina Maya, a strong, independent woman whose casual fling turned her world upside down.
01:42When she tried to understand what happened to her, she ended up forming a community of women that were all
01:49deceived by the same man.
01:51Can you talk a little bit about the scope of what Neil did?
01:57He just hides behind being this normal guy, but his lies are so damaging.
02:05They're so eroding.
02:06And it's been going on for like 30-something years.
02:10Wow.
02:11There's a whole load of people that think, oh, well, you know, how do you go for that?
02:14But this is my truth.
02:16This is my story.
02:24I was born in Tehran before the revolution in 1975, and things got a little real over there when I
02:33was quite young.
02:33So we moved back to the UK, because my father was born there.
02:42I lived in a very nice place.
02:43I had great friends, good education.
02:47Tina's full of life.
02:49Carefree.
02:52After I graduated university, I was starting my career in the technology world, and I just sort of had to
02:59figure out what this internet was.
03:03Tina ends up in New York City with a high-paying job, and she's there for about 10 years.
03:07She gets married, has a baby, gets divorced, and then in 2015, she gets a great job offer in London,
03:13and she decides to move home.
03:18I was just sort of starting again, just me and my son, Leo.
03:22He was six.
03:24She was working in e-commerce, and she was very business-minded.
03:33So it was very early 2016.
03:37I was at one of these conferences in London.
03:40I was speaking with a lot of people, and that's where I stumbled across Neil Lorman.
03:52He had a marketing firm.
03:55He was cute, quite attractive, but I really didn't think too much about that conversation.
04:01He just seemed like a nice, normal man.
04:06Neil Lorman is from Essex.
04:08It's a tough, working-class area outside of London.
04:12He's a successful businessman, and he even has an interesting hobby.
04:16He loves cooking and appears in YouTube videos.
04:19If you'd help this, I'd actually come around for dinner and let you cook for me.
04:23Would you spoon me afterwards?
04:24Why not?
04:28Tina had no desire for a relationship, but after the conference, Neil texted her out of
04:33the blue.
04:35He said that he was going to be in Bromley, a town close to where I live, and did I
04:42want
04:42to meet up?
04:44I was in a good mood, and Leo was at a sleepover, and Neil seems like he might be good
04:50fun for
04:51a drink.
04:52Um, okay.
04:57He was charismatic and witty.
05:00He was a fun guy.
05:04I told him a little bit about my divorce, and he said that he was divorced also, and they
05:15lived together in the States too, and he said that his ex-wife had got quite bitter about
05:21the fact that he couldn't give her children.
05:25He said I'd had testicular cancer, and, uh, I'm completely infertile.
05:31And he said his ex-wife had an affair with his friend and left him for the friend and
05:38gone on to have children with him.
05:40I felt like he was being, you know, quite vulnerable and genuine.
05:46It actually drew me to him.
05:49Tina starts seeing Neil more often.
05:51She still has no desire for a relationship, but she's having fun with him, and she's enjoying
05:57the sex.
05:59That was part of what it was, and part of what was fun.
06:04She didn't need to live like a nun.
06:06The two consenting adults have fun.
06:10Even though he told me he was infertile, I was still worried, because having another
06:16child was not in my plan.
06:19He's like, no, like, I have zero sperm count.
06:24But he had sort of dropped into a conversation about having a lot of allergies, and one of
06:30those allergies was latex.
06:33And so he couldn't use protection.
06:38Over the next few months, Tina sees Neil sporadically.
07:03Tina started noticing things about Neil that were off-putting.
07:08I heard him have a phone conversation with his mother.
07:12And he was being so awful to her.
07:15And then there was the lying.
07:18He was clearly lying about his education.
07:21He told me he went to the London School of Economics.
07:26No, he didn't.
07:27Because I know the area quite well.
07:29We were talking about it, and he didn't seem to know even where Alessie was.
07:34So it was these little things.
07:38Just as Tina's hoping that this relationship with Neil fades away, she starts to experience
07:44this familiar but concerning brain fog.
07:50I started to be quite forgetful.
07:57I remember one particular incident where I threw the rubbish away, and then I couldn't
08:01find my keys.
08:03I'm like, did I not throw the rubbish out, but I threw my keys in the wheelie bin.
08:10Yes, I'd throw my keys in the wheelie bin.
08:13And I said, that's weird, because the only time I've ever been that absent-minded is when
08:20I was pregnant with Leo.
08:24And then my period was late.
08:28So I got a pregnancy test.
08:31Immediately.
08:32Popped up.
08:34Pregnant.
08:36I was like, well, no, I can't be pregnant.
08:39Bought a few more.
08:42That didn't work.
08:45I thought, Neil doesn't know he can have children.
08:50I thought maybe it's a medical mistake.
08:53Or it was truly a miracle.
08:58Tina decides to keep the baby and reaches out to Neil.
09:03And then he really got quite venomous.
09:06I cannot produce children.
09:10If you are pregnant, how you deal with it is not my problem.
09:20I had intercourse with somebody who I knew was infertile, and I was pregnant.
09:32So I sent him a text.
09:36Saying, we should meet up, and we can have a chat.
09:40He's like, I don't see why, if you've got something to tell me, why you can't tell me here.
09:44I'm like, okay.
09:47I am pregnant.
09:49It's yours.
09:51I don't want anything from you, but I'm letting you know.
09:57He said, nice try.
09:59I had a vasectomy.
10:03And I sent him a picture of the pregnancy test.
10:07And I said, well, it didn't work.
10:09And he started leaving voice messages, which were insane.
10:16You need to get yourself to a doctor and have a proper pregnancy test, not a piss on the stick
10:21one.
10:22But I have zero sperm.
10:25Don't sit there putting things on me that this could be mine.
10:28Because it isn't.
10:30Medically impossible.
10:32It wasn't like he was like, oh, go and have an abortion.
10:36He just didn't want to be blamed.
10:40You can keep the baby.
10:41Great for you.
10:42But it ain't mine, darling.
10:44It seriously, seriously isn't mine.
10:47He was just rude.
10:50I will have nothing to do with you, nothing to do with your child.
10:57They didn't expect him to be angry with me.
11:02This man who all his life thought he couldn't ever have children, why isn't he happy?
11:18It got really weird.
11:21So I just said, you're more than welcome to take a DNA test when the baby's born.
11:28Neil refuses to do the DNA test.
11:30But Tina didn't need it.
11:32She knew he was the father.
11:33She hadn't been with anybody else.
11:35She just couldn't understand why he was adamantly denying it.
11:39But she moved on without Neil.
11:41And in January of 2017, Tina welcomed her baby girl, Josephine.
11:45And she calls her Fifi.
11:49When my daughter was born, she very quickly went blue.
11:57She had a lung infection.
11:59She was put into an incubator.
12:01She also had really serious jaundice.
12:06The treatment for the jaundice, the light treatment, wasn't working.
12:11And they said, there's only one more level we can go up before we have to give her a blood
12:14transfusion.
12:15And we're going to need blood types of the parents, any medical history.
12:19Tina was afraid for her baby's life.
12:22She hadn't spoken to Neil in months.
12:24But she had kept in touch with one of his friends.
12:26And she reached out to him to express the urgency of the situation.
12:29I suddenly get these long, nasty texts.
12:35How dare I contact his friend?
12:38Even if he did share DNA with my child, he would never want anything to do with someone as vile
12:47as me.
12:48And that he would not be giving any medical history.
12:54Just ugly messages to someone who had just given birth to his daughter who was potentially about to have a
13:01blood transfusion.
13:04Any person would make that phone call to help any baby.
13:09Most people would do more than that to help a kitten.
13:12This is not helping.
13:17Why?
13:22Luckily, she didn't need the blood transfusion.
13:25The next level of light did work.
13:27After a week in hospital, we were able to go home.
13:36Tina and the baby are settling in nicely at home.
13:40But she can't let go of how Neil conducted himself.
13:43So she decides to take action against him.
13:46I thought, I'm going to set the child maintenance service on to you for the next 18 years.
13:50Not because I want the money, but because you deserve it.
13:54Because you're not a nice person.
13:57Tina submitted an application to the child maintenance service, which is the UK's agency for child support.
14:03Boy, did it open up a box of worms.
14:08When the report came through, it said that it had been accepted and that he had been assessed five pounds
14:16a week because he was a benefits recipient, which was the first, like, what?
14:21Like, I know this guy has business.
14:22But then the next really alarming thing was that that five pounds a week was split between four children.
14:36There were no names or details in the CMS report, so Tina decides to do her own investigation.
14:43The first thing I did was go to Facebook and I look up Neil's last name, Norman.
14:50Straight away, up comes a profile.
14:53I thought, well, this must be his ex-wife.
14:56Or his current wife, who knows?
15:00Not in America, right here, not far from where I now live.
15:04And on the profile was a picture of two young girls.
15:10And they looked like Fifi.
15:15I thought, should I write to her?
15:18So I did.
15:20I said, I've just had a baby and the father is Neil Norman.
15:25And quite quickly, she got back to me.
15:28The first line was just, I am so sorry that you have also been his victim.
15:36I'm like, oh, ****.
15:45Tina reaches out to a woman on Facebook that has the same last name as Neil, which is Lawman.
15:52She wrote back, every word out of that man's mouth is a lie.
15:58And he'd gone and left her with nothing but a mess and his two children's rights.
16:06And she was clearly traumatised.
16:12I used to be married to Neil.
16:20I chose to do this interview anonymously because I have two girls with Neil who are now grown-up
16:26and they don't want this to come back and haunt them.
16:32I would like Neil to suffer slowly, torturously, and I'd like to witness it.
16:49Neil and I got married on August the 25th, 2002.
16:57We were together until November 2009 when he left.
17:02Neil's ex-wife, who doesn't want us to use her name, tells Tina that they've never lived
17:08in the United States.
17:09She did not leave Neil for his friend.
17:12He's definitely the father of her two kids.
17:15And he is never once mentioned having cancer.
17:20At this point, I realised that he had impregnated me maliciously.
17:25He knew what he was doing.
17:28I didn't really want to do this interview, but I can't bear the thought of him having
17:32any more children with some other unsuspecting victim.
17:38This is Neil's story to me, so it may have some degree of untruth.
17:46His mother had him when she was 16.
17:50She told him that his father was Kevin Jones, who she was then with.
17:57They sat Neil down on his 18th birthday and told him that Kevin Jones was not his father,
18:02and he had believed all that time that he was his father.
18:07Six months later, Kevin Jones died of a heart attack, and Neil doesn't know who his father
18:12is, but I can imagine that finding something out like that when you're 18 probably could
18:18have contributed to his dysfunctional personality.
18:22His ex-wife also shared that Neil used to go by Neil Jones, but he changed his last name
18:28to his mother's maiden name, which is Lawman.
18:31Neil was very charming and very good at making people feel comfortable.
18:39He appeared to be ambitious, and he appeared to be a hard worker, but he was very deceiving
18:45in all of those things.
18:48Never spent any time with the kids, and he was having affairs.
18:54Even though things were getting really bad, Neil's ex-wife tried to stick it out for the
18:59kids, but Neil left.
19:02He left his ex-wife for another relationship.
19:08So he left in November 2009.
19:10The last time my daughter saw him was March 2010, and they have not seen him since then.
19:19Tina and Neil's ex-wife, they start a connection.
19:21They start talking on the phone and texting all the time, so they decide to meet up in London.
19:26We instantly got along.
19:30I remember her saying to me, all these years I've felt like the stupidest woman in the world.
19:34And then I meet you, and you're like the smartest woman I've ever met, and you would you!
19:41And I felt exactly the same way about her.
19:44There was a vindication.
19:47I told Tina everything about my relationship with Neil.
19:56They lived very lavishly.
19:58She thought that he was doing well in business, but actually she found out that he remortgaged
20:03their house without her knowing.
20:06He also had £40,000 worth of business debt, which had a claim over the house, and I didn't
20:14know anything about any of it.
20:15So I had to put the house on the market, sell it to pay off his debt, and then start
20:20again.
20:23Neil's ex and Tina chatted for hours, and then she dropped a bombshell.
20:28I said to Tina, I hate to tell you this, but Neil had two other sons.
20:36After Neil left, his ex-wife finds out, through child maintenance services, that he had two
20:42sons, that he had had before they had ever met, and he had never once mentioned them to her.
20:50Why would you want to have kids if you didn't want to have kids?
20:57Before calling it a night, Tina had an idea.
21:02I thought it would be funny to send him a little memento.
21:08We took a picture, and we're giving him the bird, and we entitled it The Other Mother.
21:16He didn't take it with humour.
21:20He sent emails to my work.
21:25He wrote very graphic, awful depictions of the time that we dated, and made it out to actually
21:32be something quite lewd.
21:35And he sent it to the entire company I worked for.
21:40If he'd have sent naked pictures of me, it wouldn't have been less humiliating.
21:47Tina was not about to be bullied by Neil.
21:51So she reports the email to the police, and they put out a warrant for his arrest for malicious
21:56communication.
21:58The police told me he also had another warrant out for his arrest at the same time for fraud.
22:05I learned that he was arrested 11 times and convicted five.
22:12But Neil's never served more than a couple of days in prison.
22:17He always gets suspended sentences.
22:20And so Tina was hoping that with this malicious communications charge, it would finally land
22:26him behind bars.
22:28The police said they couldn't find him.
22:31So the warrant got cancelled after a year, and they didn't even let me know.
22:38The man is still walking the streets, and he is still capable of impregnating women and
22:42then walking away with total abandon.
22:45So Tina had this idea to set up a Facebook page to warn people about Neil.
23:06Neil tried to get the Facebook page taken down, but Tina fought to keep it up, and she won.
23:14In the Facebook group, there are people who claim they have had business relationships
23:21with him that went very sour.
23:24Women that he has dated who claim he's turned on them.
23:29Family members of people that he's hurt who claim he's caused problems within the families.
23:35There's quite a few landlords who claim he doesn't pay rent.
23:39And what I wasn't expecting was other mothers.
23:51How did we all meet?
23:54How'd you start?
23:56Well, it's the first time I've actually met Adele and Claire in person.
24:01We arranged for Tina to meet with three members of the Neil Lawman Victim Support Group.
24:06Right now, there are more than 150 members.
24:09And of course, Karen, yeah.
24:12Karen came to the group through Neil's ex-wife, and she says she was one of his first victims
24:17over 30 years ago.
24:19So obviously, you know, about 30-odd years ago, Neil was quite young.
24:24Yeah.
24:25Yeah, he wasn't like, obviously, what he is now.
24:27He was just...
24:27Obviously, like...
24:29Just a normal dude.
24:30He was just a normal guy.
24:31The thing is, his ruse is normality.
24:33He just pretends to be a normal bloke.
24:35And that's how he gets you.
24:39When I met Neil, I was 24.
24:42Neil was 20.
24:44He was my neighbor.
24:47In the beginning, he was very charming.
24:49It was like he was looking after me all the time.
24:51In this relationship, there was no mention of infertility or cancer.
24:57And nine months into their relationship, they get engaged, and Karen was pregnant.
25:04When I told Neil I was pregnant, he was happy.
25:06He done the nursery up with me, and there was no problem.
25:11And when my son was born, he was really hands-on.
25:17It's kind of strange how Neil goes from this loving father when his son is born in 1994
25:23to never mentioning him once to anyone he dates for the next 31 years.
25:33My name's Daniel, and I'm Neil's son.
25:39I don't really remember much, to be honest.
25:40I think I try and block most of it out.
25:42I don't really ask many questions about him.
25:44Not going to change anything for me, so the less I know, the better I feel.
25:49It's in this relationship where we see a pattern form.
25:52Neil starts off as a great guy, but then he morphs into a completely different person,
25:57becomes controlling, and just plain mean.
26:00He didn't like to be wrong or be told no.
26:03And if I ever challenged him, Neil would say that I was really fat and ugly,
26:07and if you leave me, you'll be on your own.
26:10You're going to become a single mom.
26:11He'd go from, like, nothing to mad.
26:14He just chipped away at me.
26:19Multiple women on Facebook allege that Neil was violent with them, including Karen.
26:25At the time, I did love him, but I was nervous of him,
26:28and I didn't want to make him angry because I got a smack.
26:33I kept thinking it was going to be all right.
26:35He didn't mean to do it.
26:36He was really sorry.
26:38He said, I'll never do it again.
26:39I'm not going to get help.
26:43A lot of what I'm hearing today is obviously the first time I'm hearing these things,
26:48and the more I hear is just shocking.
26:51It's nothing less than a scumbag.
26:53In responding to a protective order sought against him,
26:56Neil denies physical abuse allegations,
26:59and he was never convicted of any violent crimes.
27:02But according to Karen,
27:04Neil promised that he would change,
27:05but things didn't get better.
27:07So Karen left Neil when Daniel was just 20 months old.
27:11He was seeing him on weekend visits,
27:13but there was loads of times where he'd let him down and not turn up,
27:17and there was always an excuse.
27:19So growing up, there was a lot of bang on.
27:22And I was obviously upset.
27:24There's some bits that damage you,
27:25but he's not going to come back.
27:27He's not going to suddenly become my father again.
27:29So I just sort of focus on the good parts of my life
27:32and getting to where I want to go to in my personal journey.
27:37He doesn't have a relationship with his son?
27:39No.
27:40He didn't. He was about six.
27:45The last time I seen him was sitting in McDonald's.
27:48And there was, like, sea monkeys.
27:52He gave me those and basically said that he couldn't see me no more.
27:55And then he just literally disappeared, went gone.
27:59That was in 2000, the same year Neil met his ex-wife,
28:03who didn't even find out about Daniel until after he left
28:07and she read the Child Maintenance Service report.
28:10There was another son that was listed on the CMS report.
28:14It was a son that he had when he was 18,
28:16and he ran off as soon as he was born.
28:18And Tina tracked down that mother on Facebook.
28:22She's very, very direct.
28:24She said, just forget about him, put him behind you,
28:26don't think about him.
28:27And she said, the day someone calls her to let her know
28:31that he's dropped dead will be the day she pops open a bottle of champagne.
28:36Through this Facebook group, another shocking detail comes to light
28:4028 years after it happened.
28:43Two of his kids were born eight weeks apart.
28:47Those two boys were born to mothers who lived on the same street.
28:52One of the moms was Karen.
28:56He also had a girlfriend down the road.
29:00Tina phoned me.
29:01She just said, how old was Dan?
29:03And I said, he's 28 in August.
29:05And she said, I think you should hear it from me.
29:06There's another child, and he was 28 in June.
29:10I was like, oh.
29:11Oh, OK.
29:14I was waiting for who else there is.
29:18I call myself the one who got away.
29:25How did it feel to you when you found out there was another woman
29:29who had a baby at the same time?
29:31To be honest, because I've been speaking to you guys,
29:33I wasn't actually really shocked.
29:34Just made Daniel a bit further down in the pecking order.
29:39She lived on the same street.
29:41Literally the same street.
29:42I didn't know that, obviously.
29:43How did they keep you separated and not cross paths?
29:46We had to move quickly.
29:48You have to think to yourself, how has he managed to do this to people
29:53and keep doing it?
29:55It just gets more and more insane.
30:04I kind of struck up a relationship with Neil
30:07through a Facebook business group in 2015.
30:13I was going through a divorce, and I had two young boys.
30:17I wasn't looking for a relationship or anything like that,
30:20but there was this underlying charisma
30:23that kind of came across once you started speaking to him.
30:27That's when he reeled you in.
30:30The first time I heard about the infertility,
30:36we'd been out for drinks.
30:42And the next morning, I woke to find him in my bed.
30:51We hadn't been intimate prior to this.
30:54I remember saying to him,
30:55oh, my God, did we have sex last night?
30:58And he was like, well, don't you remember?
31:00And he made it all jokey
31:01and, like, made me feel a bit stupid for not remembering.
31:06And I said, did we use something?
31:09Obviously, I didn't want to have any more children.
31:12And he said to me, listen, don't worry, don't worry.
31:15I can't have children anyway.
31:18I've had testicular cancer.
31:20I had to go through chemotherapy.
31:22I have no more spam cells.
31:26I was ashamed.
31:28I needed to close that chapter.
31:33Neil tried to see Claire again,
31:35and even though she never became pregnant by him,
31:38she cut him off.
31:40He targets divorced women with children
31:43and with careers,
31:44and, you know, he's definitely followed a pattern.
31:50He goes for successful, secure women
31:54and then tries to drag them down.
32:01When I reached out to his most recent girlfriend,
32:04she was really under his control.
32:11I'm Rachel.
32:12I met Neil Lorman through my business I had at the time.
32:17Neil came across very, like,
32:19a successful businessman
32:20and caring person.
32:23In the beginning of the relationship,
32:24he was really good around my kids,
32:25and my kids really liked him.
32:27Neil did tell Rachel
32:28about his two daughters with his ex-wife,
32:31but there was no mention of any other children.
32:33And in the two and a half years that they are together,
32:36there was no mention of infertility,
32:38no mention of cancer.
32:39But he had other stories to tell.
32:41He told me about all the property that he owns
32:45and how he used to work for the government
32:47and how he used to be an ex-pro ice hockey player.
32:51Everything he told me was a lie.
32:53But he says it in such a way,
32:55it's very believable,
32:56so I never really questioned it.
32:59Rachel and her kids moved in with Neil.
33:01At first, they stayed in his two-bedroom apartment,
33:03but then Rachel bought her own house,
33:05and Neil came with her.
33:07And according to her,
33:08he slowly started to change.
33:10It was mentally controlling.
33:12It's weird.
33:13He had that thing about you
33:14where he would pick you up and lift you up.
33:15You'd think, great, I feel amazing.
33:16But then he would really drop you down
33:19and just kind of pick on the things you don't like.
33:22The way I dress, the way I look.
33:25And then by the end,
33:26he was distant from everyone.
33:28He didn't really show any emotion or care or interest
33:31in me or my kids.
33:34Rachel's family is concerned about Neil.
33:37And Rachel has an aunt
33:39that decides to do her own investigation
33:41and finds this Facebook page and shows Rachel.
33:44And Rachel is horrified by what she sees.
33:46And it motivates her to leave Neil.
33:49She sends him an email
33:50saying that she's left.
33:52And then he starts bombarding her
33:53with voice messages.
33:56Rachel, I've just got your email
33:58and I am absolutely gutted.
34:02I want to be with you.
34:04I love you.
34:06Please answer my call, Rachel.
34:09Please, please come home.
34:12At the beginning, it was very desperate.
34:14And then it kind of turned nasty.
34:16You snuck off
34:18and I'm walking around the house
34:20thinking, well, all this is mine.
34:22All this is mine.
34:23I have got nowhere to go
34:25and I am not leaving this house.
34:30I just ignored it.
34:31There's no way to get me back now.
34:33Not a chance in hell.
34:35Rachel's lucky that she was able
34:37to completely cut Neil out of her life.
34:39So many women are still connected to Neil
34:41through their children.
34:42And how many children Neil has
34:44is hard to confirm.
34:47When it comes to kids
34:48that there's either a DNA test
34:50or he's on their birth certificate,
34:52there's five.
34:54Some people have reached out
34:56and said that they have his child.
34:59I think there's 13 alleged children.
35:05Tina got one of the UK's largest newspapers,
35:08The Times, to cover the story.
35:13My name is Ben Ellery
35:14and I am the crime editor for The Times.
35:19Every person we spoke to
35:21opened another doorway
35:24into this world of Neil Lorman.
35:26Each one took us further
35:28and was slightly more unbelievable.
35:33We got to a stage
35:34where if we wanted to run the story,
35:37we needed to gather some hard evidence.
35:40We did a DNA test
35:43between my daughter
35:44and his ex-wife's two daughters.
35:48Neil's on their birth certificate.
35:50The markers came through
35:52on their DNA test.
35:54More than most full siblings have.
35:57It's ironclad.
36:02I know Tina is campaigning
36:04for lying to someone
36:06about being infertile
36:07to be made a criminal offence.
36:10There is absolutely justice
36:11that needs to be served against Neil.
36:14I want him to be convicted
36:17of rape by deception.
36:25Neil had gone to such lengths
36:29with his lies
36:30to impregnate me with a child
36:32he had no intentions
36:34of being part of.
36:38At one point,
36:39there was a police officer
36:41who did take a great interest
36:43and start investigating
36:44Neil's actions.
36:47And she said,
36:48it really did fit
36:49with rape by deception.
36:52Rape by deception
36:53falls outside
36:54the typical definition of rape.
36:55It's an argument
36:56that says a perpetrator
36:58deceives someone
36:59in order to get consent.
37:01I didn't consent
37:02to be with
37:03a fertile man.
37:06There's another
37:07high-profile case in the UK
37:08where a man lied
37:09about having a vasectomy
37:11and got a woman pregnant.
37:12And the rape by deception
37:13argument was used
37:15and he was found guilty.
37:16But ultimately,
37:17he was able to have
37:18that verdict overturned.
37:20It was overturned
37:23because rape by deception
37:25has to be connected
37:26to the sex act itself,
37:28not the circumstances
37:29around the act.
37:31Now it's precedent.
37:33So Tina's investigation
37:34was dropped.
37:36You can't seem to pin him down
37:38and prosecute him
37:39for anything.
37:39The rape by deception,
37:41malicious communication,
37:42fraud,
37:43all been swept under the rug.
37:45And I'd love to see
37:47change happening.
37:49But what we have managed to do
37:51is, if not stop him,
37:54slow him down.
37:55These women aren't expecting
37:57Neil to make any admissions
37:59anytime soon.
38:00They're just left wondering
38:01why Neil is the way he is.
38:05Do you think it's a control thing?
38:07I do think so.
38:07Because he goes for women
38:08that are freshly divorced.
38:11So there's that vulnerability
38:11about them,
38:12even though they are
38:13strong, independent women.
38:14He vines for vulnerability.
38:15Yeah.
38:15And that's where he gets in at.
38:17And it's from then,
38:18he kind of monopolises everything.
38:21You can't put it down
38:22to trauma or anything for him
38:24because he had a good upbringing.
38:25He's got a good family.
38:26He's got no excuse whatsoever.
38:30I know because of the Facebook group
38:33and after the Times article,
38:35people aren't buying into his frauds so much
38:38and his romantic charms.
38:42And so I think his lifestyle
38:43has definitely taken a downturn.
38:51Betrayal's investigative team
38:52went to Neil's home in Jaywick
38:54to get his side of the story.
39:04Hi.
39:05Hi.
39:06We're looking for Neil Lawman.
39:07Is that you?
39:08Hi.
39:09I'm a reporter.
39:10Hi.
39:11Hello.
39:11I'm a teller, mate, please.
39:13Good boy.
39:17I think all the mothers have worried
39:19about nature and nurture.
39:25But I've met a number of the children
39:27and they're all beautiful souls.
39:34My girls have really developed
39:36into successful, smart adults
39:40in spite of what he did.
39:43My daughter is the most empathetic,
39:48kind, sweet little girl.
39:50There's no faulty wiring in her.
39:55That looks like me.
39:58I think it looks just like you, actually.
40:02We've had some conversations about Neil.
40:05And what I've let her know
40:07is that she's been lucky
40:10that she's grown up being given
40:12a lot of love and a lot of affection
40:14and a lot of attention.
40:16So she's able to go and give it to other people.
40:19And I said,
40:20not everyone is filled with that
40:23when they're growing up.
40:24And unfortunately, he's one of those people
40:27that just doesn't have it to give.
40:28She doesn't ever seem particularly fazed by it.
40:33When Neil's ex-wife told her daughters about Fifi,
40:37they wanted to meet her.
40:38And now they have a relationship.
40:39They've been in her life
40:40since she was three months old.
40:43She absolutely adores them.
40:45She's met Daniel, her half-brother, as well.
40:47And I think she just feels quite fulfilled
40:50by having people who genuinely care about her.
40:54So why would she care about someone who doesn't?
40:59I wish for his future
41:01that it's exactly what he deserves.
41:04But let's end on a positive note
41:06and say that, doesn't he have amazing taste in women?
41:10Oh, absolutely.
41:14Whether he'll actually face justice or not,
41:16I hope so.
41:18But all I can do is tell my story
41:21and hope that someone listens
41:25who has the power to do something about it.
41:33I hope so.
41:38I hope so.
41:40I hope so.
41:44I hope so.
41:47I hope so.
41:49I hope so.
41:50I hope so.
41:50I hope so.
41:50I hope so.
41:50I hope so.
41:50You
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