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00:12I'm down at magazine Lane next door neighbor relations come to pick her up to go somewhere
00:19she's based down in the hall and I can't make out whether it it looks like a lot of blood
00:37I don't know I can't really make out I mean they're walking sticks on the floor by the door
00:44there's a towel by the door her glasses are sort of at her knees
00:49I think she's been there at least all night at least because the curtains are shut
00:55hang on hang on she's had a fire what's this she's had a fire I think she's been on fire
01:04can I say his name please unicron
01:16it's crucial that we find the truth
01:22got to question everything
01:23believe nobody
01:26it's almost a game of chess
01:28telling him to slip up
01:30this is your opportunity to talk to me
01:46cambridgeshire police say they're determined to find the killer of a widow from whiz beach
01:52yuna crown who was 86 was found dead at her bungalow in 2013 she was in a pool of blood
01:59her clothing was burnt
02:00initially her death was treated as an accident but a murder investigation was later launched
02:12long time coming
02:14it was a brutal scene wasn't it
02:17it was
02:18officers from cambridgeshire police's major crime unit plan to use new scientific techniques to try to solve the murder after
02:26previous investigations failed to find the evidence to prosecute a killer
02:29who has remained free for more than a decade
02:32all good thank you be as quick as we can
02:37ian and i have never been here you don't get the feel of it from photos
02:44I don't feel so weird being in here 11 years later.
02:53Oh, wow. OK.
02:56So, chair was here, TV was there,
02:58but the chair was at this angle and the blanket was there.
03:04We know from the Radio Times she had an evening of telly planned,
03:09but the blanket is a throw-down, got to get up quickly.
03:14So did she hear something down there? And that's made her get up.
03:18There's no signs of forced entry at all. Zero.
03:20So that's ruled out completely. She's let him in.
03:23Mm-hm. So option one is he's come in via the front door,
03:27she's had to unlock it. Option two, the back door,
03:31and that's where he's come in.
03:33But by the sounds of things, an unexpected visit.
03:35Yeah. On a cold January dark night.
03:40This is the biggest cold case I've investigated.
03:44It's very personal.
03:45I mean, obviously, anybody in the force is aware
03:47of what happened back in 2013.
03:54After the murder of pensioner Una Crown,
03:57police are reappealing for information about her death.
04:00We urge anybody out there to think back,
04:03because anybody that they know came home
04:05either with blood on them, smelling of smoke,
04:09or came into some money.
04:11And no matter how small or insignificant
04:13this information may seem, if they tell us,
04:16it may help us to find and convict the killer of Una Crown.
04:27This investigation's had effect on a lot of people.
04:29Even myself, it stuck with me
04:32that we didn't have anybody charged with the murder of Una Crown.
04:36Any detective doesn't want an unsolved murder
04:38as part of their history.
04:40I always thought and hoped one day
04:42we'd get who was responsible
04:44and lock them up for life.
04:49Welcome to the briefing for Operation Valerian.
04:53I'll go through some of the background of the case
04:55and obviously what's led us to reopen the investigation.
04:58On Sunday the 13th of January, 2013,
05:02the body of Mrs Una Crown, aged 86,
05:05was discovered at the home address,
05:07Magazine Lane in Whiz Beach.
05:09Una had been a widow for a number of years
05:11and she lived alone.
05:12The body of Una was discovered laying face down
05:16just a few feet from the front door.
05:18The clothing was badly burnt
05:20and there were small seats of fire within the premises.
05:23Una, in fact, died of extensive stab wounds,
05:26one alone to the chest,
05:27which extended through the torso and vital organs.
05:32The ferocity of the violence
05:35and the death that Una suffered is unspeakable.
05:41She was the same age as my grandma when she died.
05:45My grandma was my most favourite person in the world
05:49and on her death certificate it said
05:53the cause of death was old age.
05:57Una's cause of death was stab wounds and murdered.
06:02There were some failings around the attendance
06:05of the original officers over the first couple of days.
06:08There was no obvious signs of a disturbance
06:10and the initial assessment by officers concluded
06:13that it would be treated as a normal sudden death.
06:18That's the mindset of somebody that goes in there
06:21not thinking it's a murder.
06:25Whereas the mindset should be
06:29this is a murder until I find out that it's not.
06:33And that is the mindset that officers should have
06:37when they go to any death.
06:39Could this be a murder?
06:42Other than a visual examination of the scene
06:44there was no other forensic activity undertaken.
06:47As such the scene was shut down handed back to the family
06:51and we no longer had control of it.
06:55We lost the scene.
06:58It was completely contaminated.
07:00Things were touched.
07:01Things were moved.
07:03Those golden hour principles of securing and preserving
07:06that evidence weren't adhered to on this job.
07:09That loss of evidence has huge ramifications
07:14for trying to find a killer.
07:32Welcome to Crown Watch Live.
07:34Coming up on the programme,
07:36the terrible murder of a pensioner, Una Crown,
07:39and the man responsible has never been traced.
07:42Can you finally help Cambridgeshire police track that person down
07:45and bring her murderer to justice?
07:47Well, I'm joined by DCI Ian Moore, who is the SIO on this case.
07:52So what information are you appealing for today?
07:55We're appealing for anybody to come forward
07:56and give information about what happened.
07:58They might have recognised...
07:59This cold case is hugely significant.
08:02We will do appeals.
08:04We will do whatever it takes
08:07because there might be one tiny piece of a jigsaw puzzle
08:10that we're looking for to bring that offender to justice.
08:15This has absolutely devastated the family.
08:18They really want answers.
08:20People that may have been scared to come forward in the past,
08:24you're urging them to come forward.
08:25They could have that key piece of information, couldn't they?
08:27Yeah, I mean, we believe that the answers to this crime
08:29still lie in the Whizbeats community.
08:50We all thought it was someone local.
08:53I didn't think she'd ever let anybody in
08:55that she didn't know
08:57because she was social security wise.
09:00I've always told her,
09:01whatever you do,
09:03look out your window first
09:05and you'll know who's coming to the door
09:06and then you can open it if you know them.
09:10She used to go out probably once a week, I think,
09:14as her niece used to come and pick her up
09:16and take them out, take her out shopping.
09:25It's Wednesday 16th January 2013.
09:29Your full name?
09:30Yes.
09:31I'm Mrs Judy Payne.
09:33Or Judas, really.
09:34Judas Payne.
09:36We all have a niece?
09:37Yes.
09:38My name is John Payne.
09:40It's spelled P-A-Y-N-E.
09:41It would be fair to say that you and John are closest family.
09:44Yes.
09:45Can you tell me about the last time you saw Una?
09:50Friday?
09:50Yeah.
09:51Friday about midday.
09:53We took it to the town centre,
09:56went, you know, just no one went to the coffee house,
09:58had the coffee, had a natter,
10:00or Judy and Una had a natter,
10:02put the world, as we'll be doing, sorry about this,
10:05but put the world to rights as they will.
10:07Had a cup of coffee and a lovely chat
10:11for about, I think, three quarters of an hour.
10:16And then we went down to Tesco's.
10:19She enjoyed it because it's an outing.
10:22She'd sort of scoot ahead of us
10:24and I used to laugh with John and say,
10:26Look at us, she's faster than what we are, bless her.
10:30And she was just so happy.
10:32OK.
10:34And then took her home and she'd give me a kiss
10:37and I'd say,
10:38we'll be here on Sunday as normal, Aunty.
10:41Can you tell me about Sunday the 13th?
10:47I went to the front door, the door was locked, the curtains are drawn.
10:51I immediately said, run over to Tina next door, they've got a key.
10:57So we went to the front door, I unlocked the front door,
11:00opened the door and saw a unit.
11:11When Julie arrived and she looked at me and he said,
11:14it's not what I...
11:15I said, yes.
11:16He said, love, you can't go in.
11:18He said, and you wouldn't want to see it, love.
11:21He said, all I will say to you is, I'm glad it's me.
11:24But not me.
11:30But who would want to do this?
11:40I've engaged with the family
11:41and I've seen firsthand the impact that it's had on them.
11:44There is a way of responsibility to bring closure for the family.
11:48I can't imagine the pain that they have gone through
11:53for the last 11 years.
11:54An unsolved murder means we don't have the answers
11:59for the family and justice for Una.
12:07I kept saying to John,
12:08do you think somebody's been watching us when we drop her off?
12:12Because it was such a regular thing.
12:14I said, do you think somebody's been watching?
12:17They know it's a little old lady that's vulnerable.
12:19He said that when you survived, she used to look out the window.
12:22She'd look out the bedroom window.
12:24Yeah.
12:24Yeah.
12:25Some knocked on the door.
12:26She'd go to the bedroom window, I think,
12:28and look out who's standing on the porch one.
12:31Julie all said to her, don't open the door to anybody
12:34unless you know who they are.
12:38So she must open the door to someone she knew.
12:42To lead them to the suspect, officers re-examine the victim's last known movements.
12:50So let's just go through the chronology.
12:52Okay.
12:53Okay.
12:54On the 11th of January, she went to Tesco's.
12:58Picked her up, dropped her off.
13:00Saturday the 12th, quarter 12th, she's seen outside by Mr Mainwaring,
13:04walking in the direction from Cox's Lane.
13:06At two months past five, Dorothy Rangoon on a landline.
13:10Again, that's important because within that conversation,
13:15Yeah.
13:16Una told them that she'd had dinner but it was much earlier than she would normally have had dinner.
13:21Yeah.
13:22So, why did she have dinner so early?
13:24Early, yeah.
13:25And why are things set on the table?
13:27Yeah.
13:28Dorothy was surprised that she'd already eaten.
13:31So, in my eyes, she was expecting somebody whether or not she wanted them to come or not.
13:37Yeah.
13:40After years of failure to secure a charge,
13:44the team reviewed previous suspects and persons of interest
13:47in order to decide who they should now focus on.
13:54We have a list of suspects.
13:57The intel over the last ten years have been that the local burglar and Mark Coleman had murdered Una.
14:04They tried to steal money, rings, and they stabbed her and set her on fire.
14:09And that someone called Stuttering Dan drove them away from the address.
14:14This other suspect, he's an obvious one because of the MO.
14:17Yeah.
14:17That he committed the murder when he was younger.
14:20Exactly.
14:20Jamie's victim for that murder was his mum's neighbour and he knew her.
14:25Yes.
14:25There is no links to Una for him.
14:30Jamie Bowgen obviously is the suspect for a pair of space so we'll need to go forward because of similarities.
14:36The link obviously for Jamie is his brother was in a relationship with Una's niece so there is at least
14:43a link.
14:44Derek Mason then.
14:47Derek Mason then.
14:47Yeah, so Derek Mason was Una's best mate to an extent.
14:52He came into 25 grand after Una's death.
14:58Okay.
14:59And has previously done work in her house, changed the door locks.
15:03The gardener.
15:04Yeah.
15:05They did fall out sometime before the murder over a tree that was going to get cut down and he
15:11was basically alibied by his sister.
15:13But there is a discrepancy of his timings and the fact he goes back to the scene the next morning.
15:20He's the first to approach the officers at the scene.
15:24Yeah.
15:25And then we'd have David Newton.
15:29He was living just round the corner at the time.
15:32Original suspect.
15:33An obvious need to include him in this because never really properly discounted albeit CPS wouldn't charge at the time
15:40but not really ruled out.
15:43We've got those now going forward.
15:52Cold cases are a huge challenge.
15:55And the important part is to identify forensic opportunities.
16:01Yeah, quite a bit.
16:02Yeah.
16:03At the time of the initial investigation there were exhibits seized.
16:10X337 bra.
16:12This exhibit.
16:12Yeah, we want the bra.
16:13Yeah.
16:13That's one of us.
16:16Yeah.
16:17Technology has moved on and as a team we review those exhibits and decide what extra techniques are available now
16:29and to submit them for forensic analysis.
16:37To understand why Una Crown's death wasn't initially treated as murder, police decide to speak to all the professionals who
16:44attended the scene.
16:47In terms of one of the officers, it's really taken its toll on him and had quite a detrimental effect
16:53on him and his family.
16:56Even his future career and everything really.
16:59So much so he's been diagnosed with various conditions and I think he really is struggling day to day.
17:04And he felt quite let down at the time because there were other officers there at the scene as well.
17:10But none of them went through the mill as much as he did.
17:17Detectives review the accounts of two police officers who decided on the day that the death was non-suspicious.
17:25The reason behind this interview is in relation to the investigation into the murder of Una Crown that happened on
17:31the 13th of January this year.
17:34We're interviewing you. You were the first attending officer there.
17:40Meanwhile, investigating officer Graham McMillan speaks to one of the fire investigators called to Magazine Lane that day.
17:51Well, thanks for seeing us today, Carl. This relates to the murder of Una Crown back in 2013, which I'm
17:56sure you probably got quite a good recollection of.
17:59Yeah, I remember it very well because it was mid-morning we got called.
18:01Yes.
18:02They opened the front door and there's a dead body there and I thought, yeah, this is serious.
18:05Yeah.
18:05So, in my mind, at that point, we're going crime scene.
18:11Can you just introduce yourself?
18:13Yes.
18:14Can you just introduce yourself, please?
18:17Yes, I'm Detective Sergeant 1081 Mark Cossie.
18:21This interview is specifically around your decision-making right now and the decisions that you made on that day.
18:27I glugged up, walked in and you immediately struck with, well, she's there on the floor, in the hallway, face
18:34down.
18:39The address was completely clean and tidy throughout.
18:42It was locked and secured, no signs of disturbance, no missing keys.
18:47So far as we could tell, it was incredibly unlikely that an intruder would come in
18:51or that it didn't look as if they'd be in a fight or something like that around the house.
18:57I went through his theory, what he thought would happen.
19:01The cooker was faulty because the cooker was off and yet it was red hot when you put your hand
19:07at the top.
19:10Chances are if clothing has caught a light or tea towel has caught a light, she's frantically tried to put
19:17it out.
19:17And my initial thoughts were, because of the shock, heart failure, because of the position of the body, she's just
19:26gone.
19:27I thought, my thoughts were, she's dead before she's hit the floor.
19:36This is where I had the debate, the stand-up argument with the police.
19:41We knew that there was not enough temperature in that hob to ever set fire to that tea towel.
19:46The tea towel had been set fire to hanging on the rail.
19:50I remember saying at the time, I think she'd been set fire to on the floor.
19:54The naked flame would have had to have been applied to each of the items to set fire to it.
19:59So all these indicators actually pointed to it being a deliberate fire.
20:04The person who's done that is set fire to the tea towel, set fire to the newspaper, set fire to
20:08the body.
20:11This is textbook arson and when we turned the body over, there was clear lacerations to the neck.
20:18We thought what had happened was she was wearing a neckerchief and it was knotted quite tightly.
20:27If it is heart failure and she's just gone straight down, she's 86, she's very frail, the skin would be
20:35tight, the neckerchief would cause this injury to the throat.
20:40He questioned that at the time and that was dismissed not only by the acting sergeant but by the detectives
20:47there and the CSI.
20:51If she had a throat cut, you would have expected to see the lungs of blood or sun blood up
20:58on the cream-coloured walls.
20:59There wasn't anything. There was nothing.
21:02My mindset was, it's not as suspicious. We were happy that it was an accidental death.
21:08You know, every day I'm making decisions about things like death.
21:12I'm going out to death all the time. I've been out two or three in the, like, weeks prior to
21:16this.
21:16I would like to have thought that I'm competent at making a decision as to whether or not we need,
21:21you know, to describe it as being more suspicious.
21:26Erm, the gospel of words, to be honest.
21:30Yeah, I mean, it's frustrating seeing that.
21:32The thing is, once you form an opinion of this is non-suspicious, then you formulate all your thinking around
21:39that theory.
21:41Yes, that's right.
21:42It really does pain me 11 years later.
21:45If we'd had a more forensic approach from the outset, there'd probably been a lot of good evidence there in
21:49my...
21:49Yes, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
21:51It's probably the worst policing decision I've seen in my career, that.
21:55Yeah.
21:55And even to this day, I just can't understand it.
21:58I think, possibly, I've not done as much as I could have done and I've let the family down.
22:02And the fact is, as a collective, we didn't get it right.
22:08You can't pinpoint a person for criticism.
22:14It's a collective failure.
22:15It's a collective failure.
22:19The impact of the decisions that day was huge.
22:25And that decision will live with everybody at that scene.
22:32And has done for the last 11 years.
22:36A murderer is walking the streets.
22:41We have to find Una's killer.
22:56A bungled start to an investigation.
22:59A family needing answers.
23:01A killer still on the loose.
23:05Una always come to the gate and have a little chat with me.
23:09And she's just one lovely old lady, really.
23:13Bless her, you know.
23:15You know, you can't imagine it, can you?
23:18They've made a right mess of her.
23:20I mean, to say that she'd done it herself.
23:23And then since then, we've heard she had 15 stab wounds and all this.
23:27But, I mean, you don't do that yourself.
23:30I completely accept that people make mistakes.
23:34It's how you then deal with those mistakes.
23:36We're working towards getting answers for the families.
23:40And to show the public that we don't give up.
23:45Home office pathologist Nat Carey said it was clear to him this was a homicide.
23:50This from the outset, he said.
23:52Her injuries were extensive.
23:54Una Crown had been attacked with a bladed weapon.
23:57Three cuts to her neck.
23:59They were deep and gaping.
24:00One severed a jugular vein and another cut that penetrated her heart and lungs.
24:11I mean, to me, it doesn't matter how you look at this case, from so many points of view, forensically
24:16and pathologically, it's suspicious.
24:18Yes.
24:18And I imagine that from an investigative point of view it is as well.
24:21A hundred percent.
24:22It was a clear homicide.
24:24Yeah.
24:25Importantly, there were what would be termed defensive type injuries, such as you might get if you're warding off a
24:32sharp weapon attack.
24:34And she didn't have any soot in her lungs like she breathed in the fire, if I remember rightly.
24:39No, which is a key finding, really.
24:41Yeah.
24:42It gives you some indication of the sequence of events.
24:45It means she was burnt after death.
24:49Cutthroat, stabbing, and then setting fire.
24:51So that was something you might have had a bit of forensic awareness.
24:55In other words, to try and destroy traces of what had happened and their involvement.
24:59Yeah. The burning was to at least try and hide some of the forensic evidence that the killer would have
25:07known that we would have found.
25:09But importantly, in a sort of forensic catch up, I still took samples.
25:15I took clippings from a number of the fingernails on both hands.
25:20Sometimes limbs or fingernails may be quite sheltered from either burning or handling by other people.
25:26I always think it's worth pursuing the DNA with the changes that have occurred in the past few years.
25:33DNA technology has improved.
25:35Yes.
25:38DI Lee Martin visits the forensics lab, where the exhibits from the original investigation,
25:44including those secured by the Home Office pathologist Nat Carey, will be examined.
25:50We try to maximise DNA recovery.
25:54Originally, back in 2013, they took two samples from the fingernails.
25:59And we must remember, we have moved forward, obviously, since then.
26:02And the tests that we look at, they are great at ignoring female DNA.
26:08And focusing in on the male-specific DNA.
26:11In the heat of the moment, could she have scratched, could she have reached out at her attacker at some
26:17point in time?
26:18And therefore, there'd be some remnants, even if it's minute, of DNA underneath her fingernails.
26:23Her right hand was quite clenched, so that was quite key, potentially,
26:28because it was going to be protected from any of the burning that was going on as well.
26:32Well, the right hand's the key one, because it was away from the fire.
26:35That fire was to stop us looking for DNA.
26:40Yeah.
26:40So her having her hand underneath her has protected that DNA.
26:45Absolutely. We had five fingernails, so there is plenty of scope we didn't get the first time round.
26:50So within DNA testing, we also have a profile known as YSTR, which is the male gene within the DNA
27:01profile.
27:03That technique is getting stronger and stronger as the years move on.
27:09It can assist with pointing towards a certain bloodline.
27:13It does not say it is that person.
27:18That is the only thing at this minute to take us any further forward.
27:22That is the only test we've got.
27:24Yeah, in this instance, it's probably about the strongest that we're going to get from DNA at this point in
27:29time.
27:31While scientists test for male DNA, which may have come from the killer,
27:36elimination samples must be taken from all officers and personnel
27:40who might legitimately have come into contact with Una Crown following her death.
27:47Because what we're doing is we are going back to see everybody who went into the scene on the 13th
27:52of January,
27:52get some elimination DNA.
27:56Perfect.
27:58I was the first person through the door.
28:00You still remember it then?
28:02Like yesterday?
28:04And it's little things that you remember.
28:06And I remember she was like absolutely straight like that, laid on the floor.
28:10Absolutely.
28:11Not like that.
28:12It's like, oh my God, that's not right.
28:14Yeah.
28:14No one falls like that, does it?
28:19Every year I'd hear the word crown.
28:22Yeah.
28:22And then I was just looking on Google to see if there was any update on it, you know.
28:28You know, I always think about this lady because she looks the spitting image of my Nan.
28:33I just can't imagine what her family are going through.
28:37I mean, I must be absolutely haunted.
28:39Yes.
28:40Those last moments of absolute fear.
28:44Terror.
28:44You know, who could do that to a little old lady?
28:49I just went down to photograph somebody.
28:51Yes.
28:51I didn't really know the prehistory of the case.
28:55But I just noticed cuts, the marks that look suspicious.
29:02Yeah.
29:04I mean, how would you get cuts like that other than, you know, someone else would do it to, you
29:09know?
29:09No.
29:17I don't see DS, Mark and Cossie.
29:20And I hope he's had enough times to reflect on it and hold his hands up and says,
29:25yeah, I was wrong.
29:30I just need to set up.
29:32Yeah.
29:32As you know, all statements are on computer these days.
29:35So I just need to find me laptop up.
29:43Yeah, I do think about it often.
29:46You know, there's certain cases that you never forget.
29:50And this is one of them.
29:52There's always regret.
29:54There's always decisions made that, in passage of time, are not the right decisions.
30:00If that oven hadn't led me into a completely different direction,
30:08things would have been different.
30:11At the end of the day, I hope there's justice for the family, for the victims.
30:17It would give me some satisfaction, to say the least, as well.
30:29Updated DNA samples must also be collected from suspects in the previous murder investigations.
30:37Why do you need a fresh sample?
30:39As DNA technology moves on, so at the minute, we're on now what is called DNA 17,
30:45which is a totally new sort of way of us taking DNA and obviously profiling it as well.
30:50Right.
30:51So as DNA progresses, the old samples become worthless.
30:54What, so you're telling me so everyone on your database has got to be updated?
30:59Yes.
30:59Unless they've been arrested since 2017, we've got updated.
31:03Yeah, that's fine now.
31:03Yeah.
31:04So this is specifically for the Unicrown investigation.
31:06So are you going to all people when who've...
31:09Yes.
31:10Yeah, so it's not just yourself.
31:12I don't know.
31:12Yeah, I understand that.
31:14Anyone that we took DNA off before, we're just upgrading them.
31:16It's fine.
31:17Well, I know I've got anything to worry about, so...
31:20Yeah.
31:21I'm just going to take a seat again for me.
31:24Have you had DNA done before?
31:26Yeah.
31:27Yeah.
31:29Cool.
31:29Can I just take them off me, please?
31:35Cool.
31:36I've got a shit thrown my way, but what do you do?
31:41Just certain people out there who take advantage of situations some people are in.
32:08I think the offender carrying this secret for the last 11 years, it's a huge burden.
32:17And to wake up every morning wondering whether or not we're going to come knocking on the door that day.
32:25Even after 11 years, you're still looking over your shoulder.
32:41I don't know.
32:46I don't know.
32:57I don't know if the DNA results come back.
32:59But there's a couple of names that keep coming up in the Whistbeach community.
33:09I moved to Magazine Lane around 2014, 10 years ago.
33:14The murder had already happened, and we could see on the lamppost all the signs, the rewards and things like
33:21that.
33:22I did hear a couple of rumours. There was two of the lads involved in it.
33:26The rumours round town is of them two that had done the murder.
33:29No.
33:33Mark Coleman, and there was another bloke dropping.
33:39You know, you heard things in Whistbeach.
33:41Yeah, all the gossip.
33:43What one for you guys?
33:45Mark Coleman.
33:46Right.
33:47There was gossip from years back when Mark was involved.
33:50Do you know Mark?
33:51Mark.
33:52Yeah, I've known him for years from around Whistbeach.
33:55He'd been given, you know, he was sleeping rough and that, and begging in town and stuff.
34:05In a close-knit town like Whistbeach, the same names crop up all the time.
34:14The usual suspects.
34:17In the afternoon about five, I bumped into Mark Coleman.
34:20Where?
34:21On the corner of the magazine late.
34:24On the Friday, before she got murdered.
34:26Okay.
34:28We look at profiling all the people that come in to the investigation.
34:34Yeah, and you saw Mark Coleman on the Friday night.
34:36There's definitely standing on the corner on the Friday of the magazine late.
34:40They reckon that he wreaked the petrol.
34:45Roger, I think Mr Coleman would take priority.
34:49The community had already, to an extent, said that he was the murderer.
34:53So then we get back to that public perception of Mark Coleman's walking around Whistbeach.
35:00He's murdered Una Crown.
35:02Why haven't the police locked him up?
35:05Mark, what have you been up with, mate?
35:06Come on, come off the road.
35:08Just have a quick chat.
35:08That one's behind you, mate, because it's the only safe way to do it.
35:13Okay?
35:15So you've got nothing on you whatsoever?
35:17No.
35:18A lot of people around Whistbeach are saying that they...
35:21It was Mark, with no proof.
35:24Everyone's just saying it's him.
35:28It's how a lady got killed.
35:29Don't know if you know her.
35:32Probably make you part of that.
35:34Go on, mate.
35:35It was done with me.
35:37From an investigation point of view,
35:40he might be a person of interest and a potential suspect.
35:45So we have to look at everything from the previous investigations.
35:55The reason why you're here today, Mark, is on suspicion of murder of Una Crown.
35:59But also in custody, in relation to this offence, is a close friend of yours.
36:06Tell me about your relationship with Mark Conrad.
36:09No, call me.
36:10Is there a collusion between the two of you to hide responsibility for the death of Una Crown?
36:16No, I can't.
36:17A witness overheard a conversation.
36:19They heard one of you say,
36:21the old lady from his bitch.
36:23Can you think of anything that could possibly mean?
36:26I can't.
36:27Your comments were to the effect, or I did try to set fire to her.
36:35No, call me.
36:36And what was said also during that conversation was,
36:40stick to the same story.
36:42But why would you need to keep to a story?
36:45No, call me.
36:46Keep to a story from who, Mark?
36:48No, call me.
36:49We searched your address.
36:51Yep.
36:52And a keepsake tin was a Russian clothing book.
36:57Mate, he was born that time.
36:59Did you say that from the Una Crown?
37:00No, call me.
37:01Your bone data, which has been looked at.
37:04That data has always been to that night.
37:07Have you gone in there, committed a burglary?
37:10It's gone wrong.
37:11No.
37:11Because there's a little old frail lady that's died.
37:14I can't.
37:15What are you hiding?
37:20Are you involved in the murder of Una Crown, Mark?
37:24No, call me.
37:25Did you murder Una Crown?
37:29All I would say is, I'm going to kill no one, right?
37:32Simple as that.
37:34And I'm pissed off.
37:35Keep getting into it.
37:38The focus of the investigation has to be what ticks the motives of a murder or the mindset of a
37:46murderer.
37:47Were they trying to cover something up?
37:51Was it hatred?
37:53Was it a sexual offence?
37:58Yes.
37:58Jess, can I just show you this?
37:59You know David Newton?
38:01That's where Newton lives.
38:03That's his house there.
38:05Have you been there?
38:05Have you been to the magazine?
38:06Yeah.
38:07You know how quiet it is?
38:08Yeah, yeah.
38:09It's like a close, isn't it?
38:10More than a...
38:11Yeah.
38:12This is his manor.
38:13And these are reported fires, right, from 2004 to 2020.
38:18And this is post the murder as well.
38:21He used to walk his dog all the way down magazine, close, and right the way along magazine lane.
38:28All these fires have suddenly just sprung up.
38:33With fires being set at the murder scene, the new investigation team revisit local residents about arsons reported in the
38:41area.
38:45Hello.
38:46Hello there.
38:47Graham McMillan from the Major Planning Unit.
38:48Nothing to worry about.
38:49Have you got a few minutes to speak?
38:51Come in.
38:53That bin outside was set on fire about five years ago.
38:58Yeah.
38:58And fences up there was, like, set on fire.
39:01Your fence?
39:01Yeah, my fence.
39:02Dave was a known arsoness around here.
39:07How'd you know it was Dave?
39:10Fence has had up, really.
39:12A lot of people said it was...
39:14He had known for it, making fires, and...
39:17And the general chat is known as the arsoness.
39:20Yeah, exactly.
39:21I'd known him for 20 years.
39:22Did you?
39:23Yeah.
39:24Okay.
39:24And how did you find him?
39:26A bit strange.
39:28And people said, oh, he's a bit, you know, watching, and he's a bit dodgy.
39:33He used to smell of alcohol.
39:34Yeah.
39:35All the time.
39:36One of my neighbours, like, friends.
39:39Yeah.
39:40And we all used to speak about the murder.
39:43Yeah.
39:43And he had it in his head.
39:45It's like, yeah, he did the murder.
39:57Please tell me your full name and address.
40:01David Newton.
40:02Yeah.
40:04Magazine close.
40:05Yeah.
40:05It was bitch.
40:07I interviewed David Newton back in 2013.
40:10Over several hours, a number of interviews, and he was extremely difficult to interview.
40:17Tell me how you know Una, and what you know about her, and all your interactions with her.
40:22I probably see you about once a week, or I probably see you once a fortnight.
40:26I don't want to see you.
40:27You know, you probably might be once a fortnight.
40:30He prefixes all of his answers with probably, you know, I can't remember, I don't know, I can't be sure,
40:36I may have.
40:37But it is frustrating when they're being so vague, because you've got nothing to hang anything on.
40:41We've always had the odd fire up and down the lane.
40:45I didn't really know much about it until I went out to the greenhouse and I thought, I saw this
40:51charred paper.
40:52Would it have been before?
40:54After the murder, after the murder.
40:56After the murder?
40:57I'd say maybe four years ago.
40:59Did you report this to anybody?
41:01Er, no, no.
41:02No, not till you come round here.
41:04Okay.
41:05A little bit further down, same side of the road.
41:08Yeah.
41:08There's a council lit a bit, if you like.
41:11Yeah.
41:11That was set fire and took some of the hedge.
41:14There was one...
41:15And the one round there as well.
41:16Just up here.
41:17There's been lots of billions, mysteries that have gone on fire.
41:20Yeah.
41:21Who do you think's been set in the fires?
41:23Oh, Dave.
41:24Yeah, he always thought there was something dodgy about him anyway.
41:29There was three seats of fire in Una's bungalow and this was part of the murder.
41:37As a detective, you just keep digging and digging until you get to the truth.
41:41That's what we want.
41:42We're after the truth at the end of the day.
41:45We look at all fires in the locality at the time and since.
41:51One person's name kept coming back.
41:53It's David Newton.
41:54He is a local arsonist, I'm sure of it.
41:56There are a number of fires down Magazine Close and Magazine Lane.
42:02Are you aware of any of those?
42:03Well, I've heard of them.
42:05Do you remember the fire that happened about two weeks ago?
42:09There was plenty out when I come round the corner.
42:11Yeah.
42:12And from what they can see, the natural way that anyone who would set a fire and then run off,
42:19they went down the alleyway as you were coming out.
42:26Did you set the fire?
42:28No, I did not set the fire.
42:34Hiya. Is Paula in, please?
42:36She is.
42:37Hiya, Paula.
42:38Hiya.
42:38So, your bin fires, do you know how that could have started?
42:42We have our theories, but we think it was Dave next door.
42:46And it's your blue bin outside your bedroom window.
42:49I take it in your recycling bin there was nothing that was flammable, as in...
42:53No, no.
42:53..that could have caused the fire itself?
42:54No.
42:55OK, and you reported that to the police?
42:57No, cos there were so many done at the same point, so I don't think any of us did.
43:01OK.
43:01Cos I think Ruth over the road, she had hers done as well.
43:04Rumour that just kind of got round that it was him.
43:06OK.
43:07So it was this one first, and then there was another one?
43:10Then there was another one.
43:10And what was the second one?
43:12Same again, blue bin.
43:13Dave was automatically always the first choice.
43:16He got to know that he wasn't allowed in my house if he was drunk.
43:19If he's had too much to drink, you don't want to even cross paths with him,
43:23cos he can be quite touchy-feely, and he would push it.
43:28He would just take it that little bit too far for my comfort.
43:31Yeah.
43:31Like, so, it was like, you have words with him and then something goes wrong.
43:36Yeah.
43:36Something will happen.
43:38Yeah.
43:38It's finally important that you speak to neighbours in that local community in Magazine Lane,
43:43because there may be other offending or similar offence types in the murder that a suspect
43:49may continue to commit.
43:52Now, yesterday we spoke to Carol, I believe she's in the next close.
43:56She says, one day, about six o'clock, you were at the door selling novel tickets.
44:01She asks you to shut the door and then she goes back into the house.
44:05She goes into the bedroom.
44:07She takes her dressing gown off and she turns round and you're stood there.
44:12No.
44:14And so she stood there in her bra on her pants.
44:19That's ridiculous, that is.
44:21I wish she'd got her ideas on me.
44:24David Newton is a person who said you'd known just to say hello.
44:28Yes, we've lived in here a long time.
44:31You reported to us back in 2013, if you remember, you had a trailer fire.
44:36That's right.
44:36It was the garages down there.
44:39Yeah, yeah, yeah.
44:39Who did you think had set the fire?
44:41Well, obviously, we all think it was him because several bins have been set fire down
44:47here and everyone seems to think it's him.
44:49Have you seen any other behaviour from David that caused you concern?
44:53Well, yes, yes, but...
44:57He used to walk the dog at unusual times in the evening.
45:00Yeah, yeah.
45:00No.
45:02It's all...
45:02Everybody will point the finger at him, but you've never really got any hard evidence.
45:08Yeah, OK.
45:09Yeah.
45:10I think any detectives who review what we had, David Newton would have to be at the top of your
45:15list,
45:17albeit all uncircumstantial.
45:19There was no forensics.
45:22You did get a gut feeling, but it wasn't just a gut feeling.
45:25I've seen what David Newton was like, and basically a leopard doesn't change its spots.
45:31And I believe David Newton is the killer.
45:44What do you use to describe him?
45:47A bully.
45:48A beast.
45:50Don't trust what anything comes out of his mouth.
45:54We've got a YSTR result, which has given us a positive finding.
45:58YSTR profile DNA has been detected, and Mark Coleman's DNA is no match at all.
46:05Completely out of the investigation.
46:07Yeah.
46:07Excellent.
46:11Hello, please.
46:13The DNA match, in isolation, is not going to prove the case.
46:19He's a naval bastard.
46:21He's a naval bastard.
46:21And more than, he's guilty.
46:44He's a naval bastard.
46:46There is no match.
46:48There is no match.
46:54We've got a heavyå…©nd.
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