00:00I was sitting on my legs, and then I could touch it.
00:04And, logically, I had to go to sleep with him.
00:08The father of Darío always carried out with a collar, a pistol.
00:13I remember that time, and it was a very black, very dark time.
00:18It was desert.
00:37We are a family, my mother, mother, head of family,
00:42with an economic situation absolutely low, very bad.
00:48And when the priest of Darío arrived, with food,
00:54well, a priest, and he was saying, wow, that delicious.
00:59In those visits, which extended to long hours of the night,
01:03I told my mother, in view that it was very late,
01:08that I was going to go with him to school,
01:10and that I would not have to go to the bus,
01:12with all the discomfort,
01:13and that there was a place where I could go to sleep.
01:18So, my mother came to sleep.
01:20But, coming to school, there was no place to sleep.
01:22There was a seat on the floor,
01:24there was another room,
01:26much less,
01:28and, lógicamente,
01:29I had to go to bed with him.
01:32So, I had to go to bed.
01:33I had to go to bed.
01:34What the most strange is that he said,
01:35he said,
01:36he said,
01:36well, I said,
01:37well, I have to go to bed,
01:38I said,
01:39I put my pants on the bed,
01:41and, lógicamente,
01:43I go to bed there.
01:45Then, I go to bed,
01:46and I go to bed with my Eucarist,
01:47my legs and legs,
01:48so that he was not sleeping.
01:52I was probably the first one.
01:53That was the first one.
01:55That was the first one,
01:56that was the first one,
01:57that was the first one.
02:00And he came to bed with me.
02:11with excellent qualifications,
02:15through all the economic difficulties
02:18that the family had lived
02:19by the alcoholism of my dad,
02:21they offered me a gift to my brother,
02:23a gift that gave absolutely everything,
02:26books, pension, matriculation,
02:29everything.
02:31Alimentation.
02:31Everything.
02:32I remember that he was very affectionate
02:34with the others,
02:37I was sitting on my shoulders,
02:39I was sitting on my shoulders,
02:40I was touching on my shoulders,
02:43and I thought that
02:45that it was something of love.
02:47And another thing is that
02:49we took a lot of photos,
02:50so in the course of that,
02:53that activity,
02:54that I had in the diapositiva,
02:56there were scenarios like,
02:58dark,
02:59the light,
03:00and then,
03:02we sat on my shoulders
03:03and, well,
03:04you can imagine the rest,
03:05but,
03:06it was,
03:06it was like the modus operandi
03:08of this person
03:09to access to us.
03:11The father of Darío
03:12always carried out
03:13with a cinturon
03:15a pistol,
03:16or,
03:16here came back
03:17his pistol,
03:18I remember that it was like
03:19a cinturon
03:20or a miel,
03:21and his pistol.
03:23It was always called
03:23the attention
03:24of a sacerdote armado,
03:26I said,
03:27I didn't understand,
03:28and, at least I was little,
03:29I never understood
03:30why he carried out his arm.
03:32For me,
03:32it was very painful,
03:36because,
03:37to think about
03:38the past,
03:39it was like
03:40if he was going to be alive.
03:42Darío Chavarriaga,
03:43who came into
03:44disfrazado
03:45of a cure,
03:46and,
03:46the truth,
03:48he abused
03:49the innocence of my mother,
03:51the respect that
03:53we had in that time,
03:55much more,
03:56because we were children
03:57from a Catholic family,
03:59with a absolute respect
04:02for a sacerdote.
04:03He instrumentalized
04:04to my brother
04:05to come to 7,
04:078 children,
04:09and,
04:09to do what he did
04:11was infamous.
04:12I had 6 years old,
04:14my testimony is a little
04:15more,
04:15but,
04:16I had 6 years old,
04:17I see children
04:19of 6 years old,
04:19and it's impossible
04:20that a person
04:22had that
04:23so malevolent,
04:25maquiavélic,
04:26to be able to damage
04:27to children.
04:27I have 57 years old,
04:30and when I come back
04:32to 9,
04:35it's not easy.
04:37It's not easy.
04:38It's not easy.
04:41It's not easy.
04:41I remember that time,
04:42and it's a time
04:43very black,
04:45very gray,
04:45it's desert.
04:46But this is
04:47a path that
04:48goes across
04:51all aspects of life.
04:53It's the formation
04:54of a child
04:54between a certain age
04:55and a certain age
04:56where the character forms.
04:58And all the
04:59scars
04:59and all these
05:00scars
05:00are there,
05:02unfortunately.
05:04That's something
05:04that we can't
05:05remove.
05:16even if we can't
05:31go out of the
05:32heart,
05:33we can't
05:34go out of the
05:34heart.
05:35I said, please, no, don't tell me that, and then I was in the car,
05:40and I said, I said, tell me what happened, I started to tell you, I didn't stop crying,
05:45and with that great confidence of my brother telling me something so dolorous,
05:51it was the moment in which I also said, it was mine, it was my story,
05:57I also was abused by the priest of this way, and then we decided that that could not be able
06:04to stay there,
06:04that we had to say, for the same reason that this man continued there, continued having contact with children.
06:35In that moment, in 2014, I was mainly with my brother Fernando,
06:41we were both going to talk directly to the priest of Ruh.
06:46I presented that Sunday morning with my card, I put her in front and she read it,
06:53and logically, the face was consternation.
06:57In the first moment, she said, in the name of the company of Jesus,
07:01I present my most sincere feelings of pain, of compassion.
07:07This has never happened, this is something new.
07:11Tengo que hacer un paréntesis, esto es mucho antes de la actividad que el Padre tiene en la Comisión de
07:16la Verdad y tengo que decir que soy un admirador de su gestión, un admirador de su personalidad, del ser
07:24humano que es el Padre Francisco de Ruh.
07:26Un cierro paréntesis, nos dice que va a hablar con el sacerdote Chavarriaga y nos dice que ese domingo muy
07:33temprano lo citó, lo sentó, le puso las cartas sobre el escritorio, él lee las cartas, le comenta la situación,
07:41no niega una sola coma de lo que está ahí consignado, nos comunica que lo había apartado de su cargo,
07:48le había tomado algunas medidas para alejarlo probablemente de los niños, de los jóvenes, iba a quedar recluido en una
07:56zona.
07:56Aislado, que no podía celebrar de nuevo la Eucaristía, que ese era el peor castigo para un sacerdote.
08:02Y al igual que él, dentro del texto de mi carta, le pido al Padre de Ruh que este señor
08:09sea llevado a la justicia para que se le aplique todo el peso de la ley, recaiga sobre él y
08:17que se lleve el caso a la justicia ordinaria.
08:20Cuando estamos por salir de la oficina, ya retirarnos, en vista de que recientemente había sido nombrado el Papa Francisco
08:29de su propia comunidad, nos dice encarecidamente, yo lo repito, lo reitero y lo afirmo con toda sinceridad, en tono
08:38de súplica, nos dice, les pido el favor de no hacer esto de conocimiento de la opinión pública, de los
08:46medios.
08:46Teníamos fe en que íbamos a estar frente a una autoridad, pero realmente la Iglesia Católica nos ha cerrado la
08:55boca a nosotros, pero ellos también han omitido muchísimas cosas y no nos han escuchado.
09:02Entonces me queda el dolor también de que una institución en la que yo confíe plenamente tampoco se haya acercado
09:10a nosotros, pero espero que también de parte de mis educadores y de mis faros morales tenga yo una respuesta
09:18satisfactoria.
09:19Porque por mi silencio de hace 48 años pasó toda esta cadena de abusos con mis hermanas y no quiero
09:29que esto se repita con ningún niño en ninguna parte del mundo.
09:32Y decirle al Padre Erru, pues que lo admiro también por muchas cosas que ha hecho, pero que también se
09:38ponga en el corazón de nosotros que somos sus víctimas, porque somos víctimas del abuso de una persona en la
09:45comunidad, de la compañía de Jesús, que nos hizo mucho daño.
09:49También pedirle al Padre Erru, que justo como es una jerarquía de la verdad en el país, tenga también esa
09:57humildad de reconocer que nosotros fuimos los que pedimos que llevara esto a la justicia.
10:02Y lo que yo quiero es que se haga público un perdón, un perdón, porque si ellos lo dicen por
10:13medios, qué bonito que lo hagan delante de nosotros.
10:40Se preguntarán por qué, por qué tanto tiempo.
10:44Primero porque él se preocupó de estar pendiente de los cumpleaños de la familia de todo el tiempo.
10:50Se había ganado la confianza y había entrado de tal manera la familia que como cada uno desconocía lo que
10:56le había pasado a los otros, pues pensó que era una cosa.
10:59Yo pensé que me pasó a mí ya, yo le puse un cerrojo a eso y eché al olvido.
11:04Yo sabía lo mío, pero no sabía lo de mi hermano. Y eso me duele demasiado.
11:11Entonces todos son muy valientes, la verdad, mi hermano, empezando por él, que fue el más afectado.
11:16Y cada uno de nosotros, muy, muy, muy valientes. Esto no es fácil, entiéndanlo.
11:22Sigamos siendo valientes, sigamos siendo los mismos hermanos unidos.
11:27Y que seamos un ejemplo para mucha gente que lo necesita en este momento.
11:34Yo le pido perdón a cada una de ellas.
11:37Porque por miedo, por miedo yo no dije en el momento, pues es miedo infantil, lógicamente.
11:42No tiene que pedir perdón, Luisito.
11:45Y eso sí se lo digo porque usted fue víctima como lo fui yo.
11:49No, obviamente usted en mayor medida porque usted estaba muchísimo más expuesto y mayor tiempo en el colegio con este
11:57monstruo.
11:58Entonces, no, Luisito, no tiene nada que pedir perdón.
12:02Y si es así, y si es así, y si es así, no, no se sienta jamás mal por eso.
12:09No, no, no, no.
12:11Aquí todos somos como los mosqueteros.
12:14Todos unidos.
12:14Todos para uno y no unos para todos.
12:17Sí, no, tranquilo.
12:26Pero si me preguntan hoy, en 2024, ¿qué haría yo hoy?
12:30Le digo con franquicia, yo retentiría el proceso del Código Carónico.
12:34Pero una vez establecido, una vez establecido el final y el culpable,
12:40hoy me presentaría con eso a la Fiscalía para poner las cosas en manos de la Justicia Civil.
13:01La Fiscalía de la Justicia Civil.
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