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00:00And give me your full name and date of birth, please.
00:11Yeah, Carson Grimes. Yeah, 2nd, 1956.
00:15Do you know what grooming is?
00:17No comment.
00:20Carson Grimes started abusing girls and boys in the 1980s.
00:25Some went to the police.
00:27He was arrested eight times.
00:30But ultimately, he was left to hurt more children over 20 years.
00:37Every single one of victims had really bad effects of drink that you made,
00:43similar to rohypnol.
00:45How come?
00:46He was pinned down, face down on your living room floor,
00:49and you were anally raping him.
00:51And you tell him, if you ever tell anyone what's just happened, I'll kill you.
00:54How come?
00:55See this program on TV, 24 hours in police custody.
01:11I know this guy.
01:13I think he's sexy.
01:14I think he was one of my friends.
01:15I know him, but I'm one of his victims.
01:18He's done similar things to me, whether he's more men or something.
01:21You've got this predominant paedophile that's carried on for three decades.
01:27Was there a kid that fought back?
01:30He had a garden.
01:30So we've had some ladies who used to live next door to him.
01:36When she lived there, she was always constantly digging up bones.
01:39Bones.
01:41As in, right, okay.
01:42So we asked all of them to describe them.
01:44She said once they found an entire sort of long bone that looked like a joint,
01:49they used to see they lived in an old cemetery.
01:52But now they've convinced it's something more sinister.
01:53I think it's crucial that we find the truth.
02:08I've got to question everything.
02:12Believe nobody.
02:14It's almost a game of chess.
02:16Trying to slip up.
02:17This is your opportunity to talk to him.
02:23it's a lot of emotions to try and understand what's happened with carson and obviously they're all
02:32coming to the surface now because of what you've seen on the telly and also knowing what you've
02:38been through as well carson grimes was finally sentenced to life in 2021 for abusing nine
02:45children but once the news became public bedfordshire police received a flood of new reports
02:50of his crimes revealing that the extent of his criminality was far greater than they feared
02:57an incident room is set up to cope with the new allegations we've had four calls saying they are
03:03victims of his that person i just spoke to said he was watching it because he used to live in luton
03:08and he saw it and he just his wife his partner said you've lost all the color in the face what's
03:15going on what's my blessing
03:26so we've had some lady used to live next door to him when she lived there she was always constantly
03:30digging up bones in the garden
03:35so grimes is now 65 convicted of 39 offenses against nine victims in the end they were all very similar
03:40in the mo all saying that they went to carson grimes's house in luton selborne road um they were
03:46all given a drink of some kind which then they they just remember kind of waking up um having been sort
03:54of half conscious or completely unconscious and not remembering what happened others remembered full
03:59anal rapes in my time i'm not aware of another carson grimes
04:05another paedophile that has offended as prolifically over such a long period as he has
04:16so if we just talk through the new victims these are going to be the people that we're going to be
04:20dealing with some of them live in luton some of them live a lot further afield we can't rule out that
04:25more people aren't going to come forward because these are people that have probably been waiting to
04:30tell the story to someone their whole life but the action from cps at the moment is whether
04:35or not it's in the public interest to continue the second trial you think the money and the
04:39resources and the time that's going to be going into this second trial bearing in mind he's got his
04:43life sentence so we're doing all of this cps may still turn around and say no we're not going to do
04:48it but we carry on as normal with the new victims for now as we would of any normal investigation
04:54one call is from an ex-neighbor of carson grimes reporting that large bones have been found in the
05:00garden next to the house where he drugged and abused many of his victims i mean these bricks
05:05so he was that side this house here this side how do we think he went to this so from what we know
05:17he did associate with the landlord of this property so they were sort of in and out of each other's and
05:25when the lady lived here there was a gap in the fence right it's also been noticeable yeah
05:33the big dips are strange so what happens is when the body decomposes it gets smaller and smaller and
05:40so you then get like a great you can see a physical grave over the years it was a tried and tested mo
05:49he had been drugging these boys how had he not caused one serious harm
06:00yeah that's rock or something or some kind of rubble yeah but that rubber could also be some kind of
06:10burial site yeah if i was to bury a human corpse i think that's what i would do i wouldn't just put
06:17soil on the top i think i'd put bricks and rubble because you don't want it to come to the surface
06:21do you i mean that looks like a paving slab doesn't it that makes me think what are they trying to
06:28hide you know what are we going to do then we are going to dig it that's the plan
06:36he's a classic jimmy savile everyone loved him but he was abusing kids under everyone's nose
06:44no one would have suspected it i imagine that there are hundreds of victims
06:53while preparations are made to forensically examine the garden
06:57di gilbert travels 450 miles to take a statement from a new victim
07:02who says he has information about carson grimes
07:05he's not believable my ears when i heard his name and see him and that so obviously this is
07:16all coming up after 34 35 years but the thing i noticed about him and i always will remember about
07:24him it's the nails them long overgrown nails that go down and dirty even to the squeaky tone he's got to
07:35his voice was the same oh yeah um give her a big hug anarchist who i don't make it like i don't care
07:42no no i don't care if your license just give it to him oh my god i was saying to my wife i know him
07:51and i said so i'm one of his victims he's done similar things to me whether he's all men the same
07:57but i haven't been able to move on this is just going to eat me away for the rest of my life
08:13i want a phone i want to give him my side the story i want i want excuse my name i want this
08:20cunt dealt with he's had such a a bad thing in my life for 30 odd years and i want i want justice
08:43so these three will carry over from operation seroc into operation bainbury police want to ensure
08:51that all victims are given the opportunity to have their allegations heard in court he was on the
08:57indictment for the first trial he didn't turn up at court the reason for that he says is because
09:03carson got to him or someone got to him and potentially intimidated him
09:07he laid me down the city he just laid next to me from behind
09:19and then he pushed the cocky side again so he
09:25started like shouting from behind
09:26you were arrested on suspicion of rape of a male child under 60. after the incident
09:44you said if you ever tell anyone i'll kill you what did you have in your hand at the time
09:49i'll come in a small black handgun it's like but to you that you were threatening him
09:56i'll come in we know you're in the army it's quite scary someone being in the army
10:01i would like to miss somebody being in the army it's quite intimidating
10:07some victims openly talk about that they still are scared of him because of the threats that he made
10:15they are very real threats they've stayed with them for many many years
10:26this is where carson is housed it is a prison for convicted sex offenders so it's all all of them
10:37are housed under one roof sports facilities a sports hall racket sports spinning classes
10:45circuit classes weights room it's like a hotel
10:51the fact that he appears to be making the most of the situation that he's in
10:58is frustrating living his best life
11:04i wanted to ask about the contacts that carson's had since he's been in hmp rye hill
11:09rye hill it is our intention today to um go out and speak to one other male he was 17 years old
11:22when he was reported as a missing person he was regularly associating and staying with carson at that
11:31around that time so in terms of the contact in prison do we know if that's telephone contact or visit
11:39telephone we really think carefully about how we're going to approach them because it has the potential
11:47to tear their world upside down those desires that cars that grooming process doesn't just stop because
11:56he's taken out of society where is it do you know have you seen it i have no doubt that he will be
12:05continuing to create those opportunities within the prison establishment
12:10we won't be disclosing the contact in prison because i don't want carson to get wind of it
12:26hello okay something to worry about if there is stuff that has happened to you and you want to talk
12:36to us then we're here let's get out of here oh there he is guess he'll be right on the phone now yeah well
12:57clearly hit a nerve though i know with him going out and then crying yeah almost storming out yeah
13:07it's very difficult it's very mixed up yeah i feel like he has been abused
13:16he's got an awful lot of loyalties yeah towards carson it's like um stockholm syndrome
13:27where the the abuser has completely brainwashed them into believing that they are good
13:37and he sees them as some savior like this guy helped me out when i was not doing well or
13:45he's still brainwashing him from prison 100 percent
13:49as an investigator i feel frustrated that i'm not able to influence them in the same way that he is
14:00he's such a powerful person for some it's too much they will miss the opportunity
14:08to come forward but it has to be right for them at that time
14:12they wrestle with that every day of their lives
14:20am i just asking you to tell me your full name michael patrick johns
14:23tell me more about meeting carson i believe i was between the ages of 14 and 16. i started getting
14:35into stealing car stereos it's like there's his bus driver whatever we get all quiet
14:43it was like he was fagan and we was dodger and oliver and all the rest
14:47you know he'd look after us with money and drugs and didn't think anything on it and he had his money
14:56container from the bus i said when we see all that money all the other conductors counting their money
15:02and he had i still remember the name of the garage where he was ash road garage in cambridge road
15:08just off of broadway market in hackney and is there anyone else with you me patrick
15:16and he had loads of kids taking him stolen stuff
15:22the previous investigation the victims were focused on luton but mike unlocked a whole different
15:29area that carson was operating in at that time
15:37back in the 80s we lived on broadway market
15:41and just behind broadway market was our local bus garage
15:45i got introduced to him and i thought all right he's got a need for me i didn't know it was
15:52the need that he was going on in his head you know i didn't know about grooming and things like that
15:57i just thought oh actually someone wants to be around me you know i felt needed so
16:05that's why i kept on going to him selling him stuff oh pat on the back nice one mike
16:11you've got that for me thanks and i felt all right i've made someone happy
16:16i wanted to be seen you know i wanted to be loved to be
16:20hugged to be sad i don't my mom and dad never told me that they loved me
16:28you know i didn't see a future for me then i just saw the end of a crack pipe
16:35the devil's drug taught me at a young age i'm thinking like what has happened bad so bad in my
16:40life that it took him a year and then i used to think yeah i know why
16:50the crown prosecution service receives an update on the new victims
16:56victim w he is originally from london and said that he met carson grimes who was a bus driver
17:03in london at that time and he has given us some other names see the london victims sound like they're
17:10the earliest in time these victims are giving us the name of other potential witnesses
17:17do we then the difficulty you've got and we've all got therefore if we're presenting a case
17:23is if you're given names and you don't pursue those names have you pursued all reasonable lines of
17:30inquiry and that could become a problem you are aware that potentially it's going to open up more
17:37victims where the case goes from here or whether it whether it ever reaches newton crown court again
17:45i think we just need to be very careful that we're not causing any more difficulties for
17:50these victims by the spectre of grimes in life again
17:54the detectives head to london with the new information gathered from michael's statement
18:06so when did you become a bus driver 1979 79 oh wow we're involved in an investigation
18:15with regard to a male who we believed was working from this garage on on the buses
18:23either as a bus driver or a bus conductor um around 1987 his name is carson grimes
18:35no do you remember anybody that was working here at the garage at that time that
18:42had lots of young people come in to visit them at the garage no i can't recall it was there anywhere in
18:48this garage where they the bus drivers would be counting out their money from the day like with
18:54their float would that be yeah yeah that's after that stopped before i came here ah that had already
19:01stopped yes already stopped oh okay
19:08the witnesses the people that mike said he was with were really important to us every single
19:14one of those people we have to try and trace okay good news we've got an address for patrick we'll just be
19:25making a cold call approach on them which is quite sensitive because of the fact that they've not
19:32approached us so they won't have any indication that we're that we're coming today
19:43yeah
19:43it's him
19:56tell me everything that you can about carson
20:00well as kids who's doing naughty things and stealing car radars and we used to go to this
20:05but scary to uh sell them and then one day he said i just want to come to our place which was in luton
20:16we got there and he'd give us drink and just basically like have like a party kind of thing
20:23nothing happened for a few times because it seemed very trusting at first
20:29no one ever thought and i'm a very street smart kid back then you was yeah i'm very street smart
20:35i mean and uh so i didn't you don't think nothing of it i think he's sexy
20:42i was one of my friends i could tell you who was there okay
20:47that was me and michael
20:49i'm just gonna put these young people on our board i know they won't might not turn out to be
21:01anything but let's just put them on there
21:09wherever carson had roots that opened up avenues or pockets opportunities for him to
21:17befriend and groom young people
21:23on pnc it says that he's been recalled prison um so he potentially could be in prison still
21:29and so there's always a concern in all of those areas that he has spent time
21:34that there will be victims out there so how many addresses have we got four we're looking for the
21:42occupants of number one we're from bedfordshire police
21:50these two boys took him to carson's house my son was only 14 at the time i think there's more boys out
21:59there
21:59carson grimes was jailed for life for abusing vulnerable children over two decades
22:10now a new victim says grimes abused him in 1988 when he was just 13 years old
22:17when he reported for the events no action was taken
22:22every victim statement was like hearing my own voice it's almost like the police and social services
22:30enabled it to happen i know that there's a lot more people who haven't come forward who've been
22:37affected by that man
22:45this victim he got quite emotional when the tv program went out and started ringing up three
22:51counties radio he is mentally unstable at the moment
22:57he was at looked after child
23:00and he reported at the time that carson had abused him and he said that he did a two-day statement
23:05i've tracked through transearch and everything we don't have that report anywhere
23:12unable to locate the original report of rape he made as a 13 year old
23:17the victim is asked to come in in order to repeat the account he first gave 33 years previously
23:25what made you come forward this time pure rage of that i'd sat at home 33 years later
23:33and this bastard's on my telly and i sit there thinking i made these statements that amount of
23:38time ago jesus name must have been known and when you're sitting there watching the cases
23:45after me imagine how that feels what happened and who did you tell
23:52well the first people i told was when i was in the children's home
23:55and then an officer come and took a statement was there anyone else that you told after that
24:00no i told not to ever talk about it who told you to talk about social workers key workers
24:09so how old were you when this happened i was 13
24:12when you're a 13 year old boy and you're in a children's home saying what's going on and there's
24:22no action it's embarrassing i'll have to go to the police for help i never have in my life
24:28for a good reason because you're not believed
24:32i lived a conventional lifestyle i've been skirting around the fringes of society
24:44doing events and protests and alternative stuff it's not like i'm a criminal or anything but
24:54what i was doing was frowned upon by the police and all that but
24:58i just see it as fighting the establishment really i don't like the authorities and i'd rather
25:06not engage but i've had to engage to do the right thing in it otherwise no one's held accountable
25:13it ain't even about him getting the sentences about what the police and social services have to say
25:19about how did they know for 30 years that the same name's coming up in one town
25:26and then i'll get annoyed di gilbert recovers the 13 year old victim's social services file
25:35which corroborates what he has told them in the case of victim p that was a police decision
25:43to no further action it shocks me to the core and it saddens me and it's upsetting
25:50i was in the police when these young people were coming forward and they were just labeled as
25:56runaways tearaways nuisance kids often from broken homes often in children's homes
26:03dabbling on the very edges of petty crime and drugs and they were not taken seriously we've got to build
26:12trust with him and we've got to rebuild those relationships that aren't there now
26:18d.i gilbert contacts the victim to talk through his testimony i originally reported the abuse in 1988
26:29to the authorities the investigation was filed without further action after this i lost all confidence and
26:36self-esteem i felt like my all my hopes and dreams for the future had been destroyed my first intimacy
26:44was carson drugging and raping me i tried for years to be a success but my success is different to others
26:52surviving one more day is my success now
27:03you okay yeah sorry
27:07don't be sorry since given the original statements when you're 13 and then doing it all again
27:14been 37 years don't get a day off that's all you know the absolute mistrust of anyone in authority
27:24i don't think you can pit right 30 years of inaction
27:30if he'd have been believed when he first came forward it could have put a stop to it back then
27:38he feels angry and i get that i think i would too it's really hard actually it is really hard to think about
27:53what can you tell me about children's home how common he would go missing from the children's
27:58home and he would be picked up by police at your house tell me about that if he absconded which was
28:05regular so if he went missing from the care home the police would know to go and knock at your house
28:10can you tell me about that these are really incredibly vulnerable children that would have
28:15been easy to target at that point in their life and you took advantage of those vulnerabilities
28:21you waited until you'd built their trust and you performed sexual acts against them without that
28:26consent okay they looked up to you saw you as a father figure that's quite amazing
28:34these kids that are tearaways looking at you as a father figure
28:41he appears on the surface to be a family man he's been in a marriage he's got children
28:49the general community saw that he was a good guy he was helping people out he was providing a safe
28:55place he was helping young people to find their way in life he was supporting them
29:01he took them under his wing he pretended to be something to them that he absolutely wasn't
29:11obviously being groomed i helped him do something to that with the carburett other float or something
29:18because i knew about cars and stuff and i thought oh yeah we get on that's why i went there i remember it
29:26it was a metallic brand daimler sovereign double six so it was a v12 he had a gold
29:37old style jaguar or a daimler but it was that style the old ones
29:41and is there anything distinctive that you can tell me about that car maybe i had clean seats
29:51he said he lived in luton he didn't mind going there he said he'd bring us back
29:56he went to his house it was a shithole of a house very dark crappy pine paneling all in the kitchen and
30:05that and we've sat downstairs had a couple of joints made me a drink but i felt absolutely bollocks from
30:14the drink i passed out and then i come around upstairs with him penetrating me holding me down
30:22i could smell his breath i could feel his breath on me he had this big jerry kel hair do and i could
30:31feel that brushing off my shoulder i could feel his doubly spotty chin on the back of my neck
30:39he used to wear a gold medallion so you can see his stupid necklace i think i tried screaming a few
30:45times but he told me to shut up i felt dirty i felt ashamed why is another man doing this
30:51for me he carried me into his bedroom
31:02and i realized that this is wrong so i told him no no i was kissing my neck and i was telling him no
31:10i'm pushing my way
31:14i appreciate you being honest and open don't be afraid tell me everything
31:21i was sexually abused by him and what age was that 13. why did you not tell anyone else because
31:31that's how that's how it is back then days it's shameful
31:37these type of investigations are not for everyone they're not for all police officers being exposed to
31:44secondary trauma listening to those abes talking to those individuals hearing their stories it hits a nerve
31:53and i think it's the amount of years that it's affected these victims and how they've struggled
32:01all throughout their life that is really difficult to process
32:10i've been clean for 18 years i don't think i would have got on the crack
32:16if that didn't happen to me they made me forget what happened the only way i could was doing that
32:23there are still days where he has a really bad day and it was as if he reverted back
32:39to being 15 and i saw the heart sorry
32:53it's just a constant battle of trying to stay all right my successes is well i'm still here and i
33:00there's been a lot of times i could have just said uh it i'm gone
33:03no one said that life was easy but it shouldn't be this hard either
33:12i used to hate myself so much my self-harm was i put myself in prison to isolate away from everything
33:20one of them things you just didn't talk about you didn't want no one knowing that you'd been touched
33:27but it's like we all knew it's like we all knew but we never spoke
33:31because we're lads in it
33:37now the cat was out the bag in it and i don't know how i hope
33:52five months after revealing he was abused by carson grimes
33:56patrick is arrested and charged for burglary
34:01it was like something eating inside of me because i suppressed it for so long and then once that call
34:08come it's like it was eating away at me eating away at me you know and i just went off the rails
34:14i just went out and committed crime started using drugs again because i felt ashamed of some
34:21paedophile doing things to me ruining my life
34:27i've let this fucker win again and again and again
34:30paddy was not one of those that had come forward he was not expecting the police to bring up things
34:40that had happened to him many many many years ago that he may well have placed in a box in his head
34:47somewhere and didn't want opened there's absolutely no doubt that the impact of the investigation on him
34:56has caused him to spiral it's re-traumatizing people they're reliving it in their head in front of you
35:04and then they go away and have to deal with those thoughts again
35:11we're likely to cause some degree of harm
35:20the final list of victims is presented to the crown prosecution service
35:25they will decide whether to charge convicted paedophile carson grimes with the new offenses
35:31victim r wishes to report rapes by carson grimes in between the ages of 13 to 15 years
35:39victim s wants to report a rape that happened to him when he was under 16 years old victim
35:47u states that he was sexually assaulted by carson grimes when he was under 13.
35:54he was being sick and being raped by carson victim w reported sexual assault and grooming offenses
36:02when he was aged about 14 years victim x broke down and first disclosed having never disclosed to anyone
36:13there's certainly at face value a pretty compelling uh public interest in this type of prosecution
36:20d.i gilbert travels to rye hill prison to charge carson grimes in person
36:29he will face accusations of 41 sexual offenses against 11 new victims and two of the victims from the previous case
36:37he was very blasé very comfortable in his surroundings and actually finished the meeting
36:47quite early and then he got up and walked out he said he had to be somewhere else and he's in prison
36:52i know so where was he going well his job his gym his his little he doesn't want to face up to this no
37:00no he doesn't want to deal with it at all he just wants it to go away yeah
37:07there was never any real emotion shown but that's power that's power and control
37:16i'm always open to rehabilitation you know and for offenders to own and acknowledge the the crimes that
37:24they've committed but that's not an option in this case carson's offending has gone on for too many
37:32years he's managed to manipulate the systems and been allowed to get away with it i have absolutely no
37:41doubt that he won't be engaging in any of those programs around rehabilitation or acknowledging any of
37:48the abuse that he's committed over the years he's a man that will never do that
38:01so he spoke in detail about an incident years after he was sexually abused by you where you
38:09kidnapped him tied him to a tree chained him up with wire cables and chains and beat him
38:17until he was black and blue and stabbed him tell me about that no comment
38:28after receiving the report of bones in a neighbor's garden the full excavation is underway
38:34what drug was he using what drug was he using sleeping tablets
38:39every single one of the victims said they consumed pre-made drinks
38:52that you made he said i started drinking it i was about halfway down when i noticed a white powder in
38:59the bottom of it the drink had something in it although they couldn't say what that they had
39:06um really bad effects of drinks similar to rohypnol similar to diazepam diazepam found previously
39:13at your house i don't take drugs never have okay i'm not saying you're taking drugs never have never
39:19touched them i'm not saying you're taking drugs i'm saying you were giving drugs to young boys
39:24i'm not just telling them okay but i've never touched drugs you've never touched us no okay
39:40we explored it as far as we could so i have to let it be we didn't find human bones this time
40:00there were always parameters and we took it as far as we could
40:11police receive a handwritten letter from rye hill prison
40:16i carson grimes have instructed my legal team to offer pleas of guilty to some counts
40:23and want to remain at rye hill and just get on with my time
40:29now he's paying his power games and he's saying um i'm still a little bit in control even though
40:36i'm going to plead guilty so i'll have this but i won't have that i'm going to accept this but not
40:41that i don't think he wants to me of prisons the setup that he's got by all accounts is
40:49to his favor isn't it yeah
40:51he has offered to plead guilty to less than half of the charges that he faces he's a man of
41:02intelligence do you agree without a shadow of attention yeah is it right hill at the moment yes
41:06well i went there to see him and he's he's got it good yeah of course he's you know
41:12for all intents and purposes sitting pretty you'll not want to move back to bed well no
41:17it's a bit of game playing to be honest he is trying to elicit from us the minimum position
41:26i'm sure this is your experience individuals such as him derive pleasure
41:30from the exercise of trying to control the narrative
41:34it's almost like he's still winning isn't it it's almost like that he's still got the upper hand
41:42he's still controlling the narrative here and that's very frustrating
41:48di gilbert informs the victims that carson grimes is only willing to plead guilty to some of the
41:58lesser charges he faces hello hi it's claire yeah not too bad i totally get that everything and you
42:11know that's going on at the moment it is really triggering for you i know how slippery he is so
42:18you know and you know the games he's been playing so it's completely understandable trying to have
42:24trust and faith in the system particularly in your case with the previous reporting and not having the
42:31records there so so i do understand that he wants justice that's what he wants he wants his day in
42:39court he wants to face him and he wants him to take responsibility for what he did to him
42:48i felt like yeah finally there's going to be judgment day
42:54i felt how dare you after all this time you know knew what you've done
43:00countless people regardless what what happened to me and you're still defiant about
43:08no going not guilty
43:2423rd of may half past 10 sentencing that's not long that isn't long after the prosecution rejects his
43:32pleas and insists that he should admit his crimes carson grimes pleads guilty to a further three
43:38charges it wasn't acceptable to us that he was just going to plead to the the lesser offense of indecent
43:45assault so now we've got the rape he's pleaded to most serious it's really good really good the charges are
43:54always a balance although we weren't able to secure convictions on all the charges what we were able
44:05to secure is convictions on the most serious offense for each victim
44:13defense made an application for him to appear via video link for sentencing however i'm pleased to say
44:20that judge hunter was having absolutely none of it she said it was her public duty for him to appear
44:27in person by attending the sentencing in person he then goes into the prison dispersal system
44:36and potentially loses his spot at hmp right hill oh and i know the victim's going yes i sort of
44:46explain that carson will be there in person so he will hear the impact of the crime the want to see
44:54him in person they want to look him in the eye they want to hold him accountable i mean when you hear
44:59these stories of all these people that one man's life yeah all the way through the investigation we
45:07are their voice but when it actually comes to sentencing that's about them that's their opportunity
45:14they are able to face him in court and they are able to have their voices heard that's what it's
45:22about for him to hear the impact that this has had on them but there will be people that might not
45:31be able to show that strength it's re-traumatizing to look him in the eye
45:40last couple of nights i go to bed and my head's just racing so i get up and down up and down yeah
45:47myself out and i never thought this would happen it's going to take a lot for him to go to court
45:55and give his evidence that takes a lot of strength as well and i'm sure that there's going to be a lot
46:01of emotion wrapped around it i'm all over the shop we'll see on the day maybe i can be in the room with
46:11him maybe i can't hopefully i will be but would anyone really want to see someone who raped you as a kid
46:20i just want him to know that he's not a part of my life anymore he's not at the back of my mind i
46:41don't have to hide him you know i'm going to look him in the eye yeah just to let him know that you
46:47ain't got away with it a bit nervous because obviously it is uh 38 years since i've seen this
46:58predator obviously you'll never forget that what's happened to you it's always going to be there but
47:05for me to stop blaming myself really i hid for 38 years but i'm not doing it i'm not
47:15where are you at this morning do you want to head down there i think i need to stay away
47:21you have to do what's right for you you know we will support you either way
47:24all of those 37 years of emotion yeah it's going to spill over yeah but once you connect with those
47:31emotions are a bit strong aren't they we're courageous victims have lived with this over 30
47:39years it has taken far too long carson grimes is one of the worst offenders that we've seen children
47:48that when they report abuse should be believed and bedforshire police are committed to ensure that that
47:55is the case
48:16i've hid in the shadows for a long time but today look you in your eye see you know who i am
48:23you stole my life today i've been taking it back it's been 37 years can't hurt me anymore
48:35you both sounded really powerful in there today i took my power back today you did and that's all
48:42that matters to me the composure that you all showed was incredible you know because it was very intense
48:50so i didn't want him to think all right he's still getting to us you know what i mean i'm not fixed
48:56but i'm a lot better you never forget it's time to move on he's had enough of our lives
49:03end of an era yeah it is
49:04how are you doing all right sorry i didn't come but you know what juice ain't worth the squeeze as i
49:16say no you don't need to apologize it's what's right for you they said that in open court that
49:24you know your account was not taken seriously that it had fallen through the cracks and that there were
49:29missed opportunities that's on public record in here yes it is sorry
49:41i've never seen a human police officer
49:45well you have now i know i have and i appreciate it
49:50justice is part of the recovery process it can't always be achieved for everyone
49:56but it is a big part of being able to move forward i feel frustrated that we couldn't reach all of the
50:04victims but i have to be respectful some of them are not ready to talk you hope that they can move
50:13forward and recover that's what the end goal is it's about their recovery after this it's about that line
50:21in the sand they've been heard they've been believed he's been convicted and all i want then is for them
50:29to move forward with their lives in the best way that they can
50:43to move forward with their lives in the best way that they can move forward with their lives in the best way that they can move forward with their lives in the past
50:54so
50:55you'll be able to find support for the issues raised in the past
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