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00:00Hello I'm Angela Scanlon and welcome to The Apprentice Unfinished Business. The
00:04show that chews over everything that Egypt had to offer including the long
00:08lost parsley. RIP. Coming up I'll be having an exclusive chat with all three
00:14of our fired candidates. Lord Sugar lets us in on what he's really looking for
00:18now that we're halfway through the process and I'll be joined by the Lord's
00:22aide Tim Campbell and radio presenter Chris Stark to discuss all the away day
00:27drama. At least no one signed up to a pyramid scheme. This is The Apprentice
00:32Unfinished Business. It's Tim and Chris everybody. I'm very well thank you very
00:43much. How are you? I'm alive and kicking. That's all we can hope for. Indeed yeah.
00:47Right. Class six. Everyone packed their bags headed off to Egypt. Corporate away day.
00:52You know fan favorite okay. What an episode. A triple firing. Discuss. Well I
00:59just can't wait to see the smoke off Lord Sugar's fingers. How quickly and rapid it
01:04happened. Did you know that was happening? No listen. We never know what's actually
01:08really going to happen because the decision is ultimately Lord Sugar's around
01:11what does he want in terms of a business partner. Yes you can make mistakes but also
01:16is it right for him in terms of the decision he's going to make around who he's going to
01:20work with afterwards. And we just couldn't stop looking around what was happening next.
01:25It was unbelievable. We were on the edge of our seats let alone the viewers were watching.
01:28Break neck speed. Yeah it was the speed of it all. It was extraordinary. For me that was one of
01:33my
01:34favorite episodes of The Apprentice ever. Because of that. Well it had everything. Everything came in
01:38three. I mean at one point it was like a trilogy of Masterchef, Traitors with the Viper one and dare
01:45I say
01:46a bit of Titanic with the kayaks. Best of album. It was incredible. And the ending. I mean I just
01:53didn't I didn't see that coming. It was amazing. With the shock on your face shall we relive the
01:58moment. And for that reason I've got to tell you Megan you are fired. Megan sit down I'm not finished
02:06yet. Wow. Because Carrington I'm not satisfied with your explanations. You're also fired. And you I don't like
02:17people who are negative. So you're fired also. All three of you are fired. Thank you. Thank you.
02:24Oh my. The speed of the second two. Unbelievable scene. We're at the halfway mark and I wanted
02:36to know from my best pal, we're getting matching tats, Lord Sugar what he thinks and his advice
02:42for the candidates remaining. Angela we've reached the halfway point and let me tell you the easy
02:51part is over. At this point in the process I'm not looking for good performances. I'm looking
02:57for potential partners. From here on out I'm looking for candidates who can step up and take
03:04responsibility. Show proper business instincts and most importantly deliver results. No more excuses.
03:14It's time to prove you deserve to be here. There we go. I think what you really
03:21realise particularly when I remember being back in the house is that 20 years ago. 20 years ago.
03:2620 years ago. Look at him fresh as a daisy. Wow I wish. Botox. Anyway the reality is that you
03:32realise
03:32that the house gets very very quiet because when there's all the candidates in there this year we've
03:37obviously had 20. When it's reduced now you see more space. There's more room around the table.
03:42There's less queues for the toilets. It becomes very obvious that you're at the latter stage and I think
03:46what that does is increase the pressure because you realise how close you are now to the potential
03:51finishing line. So you've got more at stake now. So I think actually increases the likelihood of
03:56mistakes because they're almost at that final stage. So I think Lord Sugar's right. The pressure's on
04:00now. He's looking for somebody he wants to invest a quarter of a million pounds in. This isn't a joke.
04:04Let's get straight into task six and the winning team. Team Alpha led by Priyash. Okay. The epicentre
04:09of the chaos it has to be said. The kitchen. What do we make of Priyash's management style?
04:16Well I think it is it's energetic. It's enthusiastic and it's slightly on the borderline of
04:25potentially collapsing but he held it together. I think on tasks like this you are thrown in at the
04:31deep end literally and you don't know what's going to happen and for anybody to step up I give them
04:36a big pat on the back because it is a risk as we said but also you you have to
04:41respond in a positive
04:42way regardless what happens regardless of how much pasta gets thrown in a bin or how much spices get
04:48thrown in a curry right. But I think for him he was very enthusiastic about wanting to prove to Lord
04:52Sugar that he was the man for the task. I think he he offers I guess what I might call
04:58soft power
04:59in the sense he's not all bullshit and alpha about things. He goes about things and he is busy
05:04and there is an element of chaos with it but there is an accountability that came with that bloat that
05:10we saw today that I really respected. In fact this is the episode that really made me see him in
05:15a
05:15slightly different way. The way he took accountability for the mistakes that happened and I didn't think
05:20it was performative. It didn't feel like he was doing it to almost I don't know give himself a moment
05:26that he could hide behind almost if he got to the boardroom because you saw how much it meant to
05:32him when he got through. I think it comes from a genuine place and that made me really respect him
05:38when he when he did that apology and fronted up to them and dare I say it he probably did
05:42his whole
05:43team some favours by doing that. Some roles were slightly not quite as well executed maybe. Shall we recap?
05:51We just where's the rest of the parsley? The leaves? The leaves yeah. Throwing them away.
05:57We need them. That's what we needed. I've thrown them away. What did you throw away? He threw the
06:01parsley away. I threw the leaves. I thought you meant you said cut them off. Yeah and put the stems
06:06away.
06:06Oh you're kidding me. Where's it? In the bin? Yeah. I put them in the bin.
06:12See? They're smiling though aren't they? Like beautiful harmony. Listen I think everybody
06:18needs a dose of charisma in their life because when you're faced with catastrophic features
06:21they're like oh okay yeah. Okay. Almost quite out of character for her. I think she'd be like
06:26I'm gonna fire myself. Yeah. I think what you've got to realise with that is that these candidates
06:32aren't brought on for MasterChef right like you mentioned. They're brought on to run an event
06:37but what we're looking for is their adaptability in difficult scenarios and Levi has never been
06:43in a kitchen. The second he thought I called him Leaves I knew it was gone. It was in trouble.
06:47Oh yeah. Leaves was it. Leaves was that was it. Leaves was the red flag. Green flag.
06:52Now Karishma, Priyash, Levi they battled it out in the kitchen. On the other side we had Connor
06:57and Pasha and Lawrence having a whale of a time in the Egyptian desert. Tim. Yes. You were on tour
07:06with Team Alpha. It looked glorious. It was phenomenal. Being given the opportunity to go
07:12and find out the cultural history was was really wholesome for I think for some of these candidates
07:17and they were entrusted by the local individuals to pass on that information to the representative.
07:24Yes Connor put his own spin on his variation of the vampire. There wasn't much history now.
07:28There wasn't a huge amount of history there but you know what the corporate client had fun
07:32and yes they were sold facts and fun and they may have got a bit more of one or the
07:37other
07:37but what they ultimately did though I think which was impressive they kept in mind that the customer
07:42is always right and if they make the customer happy they can actually get closer to their prize of
07:48winning and I think that was a good thing. And I think Pasha to your point about maybe leaning a
07:53little bit more to the fun but it was very intentional she was like it's a corporate away day
07:57ultimately what we want to do is give people a great experience and some joy. Oh yeah.
08:01Them speeding through the boogies I wanted to be on. Yeah and I just thought the energy was entirely
08:05different with them as well and you saw it they're going through there they're chanting there they're
08:10shouting and I mean you tell me for the corporate away days I think you're right Anju is that the
08:15balance of fun to facts even if they thought they wanted that before they went there when they were
08:20pitching for the money I think the reality is when they're there and they're in the moment they wanted fun.
08:26Yes.
08:26And I felt they delivered on that. Right it is time now to welcome our first fired candidate
08:33Carrington but before we dig into the potatoes let's rewind to when the chips were well and truly
08:39down. Guys I'm really sorry they've sent back all the potatoes. It was really cold it was a bit
08:44frozen. In the middle it was a little bit hard. Oh my god. Welcome Carrington.
08:55Thank you so much for being here. Now we'll get to potatoes later on. How was it watching that task
09:01back? Do you know what it was bittersweet because I got fired. Yes. But it was it was it was
09:08a good
09:08task I think. The other candidates were full of praise for your cooking. Was that something you did a lot
09:15in the house because they seemed like absolutely zero question. I cooked a lot in the house. I think
09:21task-free I made pasta. I had pasta at four in the morning before we ended up on task. Every
09:27single
09:27evening I was cooking so I was a bit confused when my food came a bit off-key but yeah
09:32yeah. And did
09:34having the full team backing you would imagine that kind of you know lifts you or did it actually add
09:40to
09:41pressure the assumption that you could nail that. I think I had a bit of bravado. I thought I was
09:47going to do a good job. So I was like yeah I'm chill. I think um Rothen is like do
09:51you need help? I was
09:51like no I don't need no help. Like I've got this on my own trust me. I think the issue
09:56was that the
09:57PM team were two hours late and the corporate clients were not impressed. Their bums are wet,
10:05their clothes a bit soggy like they they were not happy. They were absolutely raging. So had you not started
10:09the potatoes? Because this was what they kept saying is that if they were going to be late then
10:13surely the the things would have been over. Yeah the maths is hard to math. I felt like that was
10:18a bit
10:19of a redundant point because if you're two hours late I'm not going to leave the stove on. Like you
10:24would turn it off right? And it was triple cooked potatoes. I cooked it one, two, three. Did you though?
10:29The third one. Hey. The third cook wasn't a substantial enough cook evidently. So I think
10:40because they were two hours late we put a pause on all the cooking and when they came back I
10:45was
10:46trying to do it really quickly so the corporate client were happy we didn't get any refunds. So I
10:50rushed my job and essentially that was where it all went left. You got nailed for it obviously. Kieran also
10:58presented you know bland fish definitely sub-par. Should he have been pulled up more on that?
11:06Do you know what? I don't think Kieran should be pulled up on it because he did a great negotiation
11:11and that's why I think I went wrong and I think even Baroness Brady said that I didn't do anything
11:15else substantial on the task to have a saving grace and the reason being because I thought I was gonna
11:22make
11:22a great dish. So I don't think I need to do like the bells and whistles. My potatoes are gonna
11:26be
11:27unbelievable. I thought I've got this in the bag like make the potatoes, Lord Sugar love it.
11:33Dumb. Yeah. Yeah. And from the outside Rothen looked like she was running a tight ship but she
11:40was a sub-team leader and the fish was an issue as were the potatoes. She was saved obviously by
11:46her
11:46glorious dessert but that's quite tricky when you know the stuff that ultimately took you down was
11:53on her watch. It's quite hard because Rothen would have been responsible for whatever the output was
11:58but I think the challenge is as you've rightly identified you were so confident and we loved
12:03your confidence throughout the whole of the whole of the series right. It was one of the things that
12:06was really shying about who you are as a person but. As well as the facial expression.
12:12This was a real episode for those as well. I was like this awww.
12:17It was the face palm emoji in real life right. It was in real life.
12:21But I think the thing when you put all of your proverbial eggs in the potato basket
12:25and they don't come back to root it's sometimes difficult to leave yourself with no room for
12:30manoeuvre right. But Tim you know how we talked about how Priya sort of just owns that mistake.
12:35Yes. I felt you did as well. I felt your face when you saw when they brought back and were
12:40like
12:40sorry you know none of them. I could see how much it hurt you. You know you really cared
12:47and so I guess you're right. It's a shame that you got judged on a potato.
12:54It's funny how life pans out. I mean how are you with potatoes now? Are you okay?
12:59I'll be honest with you right. I can't make potatoes anymore. Not because I'm gonna like
13:05make them raw but because it's it's traumatic. You're triggered by them now. I'm honestly like
13:10I'm so sorry for your loss. It's absolutely devastating. There's a redemption story here
13:16somewhere. There's got to be. Along the line. Do you think so? Yeah I reckon you start a chip
13:19business or something like that. No. No. No. Too soon. Too soon. No yeah I need to heal a little
13:24bit more.
13:25Too soon. Too soon. Yeah. Healing. Triple firing Carrington. Still not well. Did it come
13:31as a shock to you or could you kind of feel it? I think that because like I said I
13:38didn't have any
13:38other redeeming qualities on that task so nothing could have held me in that moment and so when
13:45Lord Sugar fired Megan and told her to like sit back down I was like oh no. You could see
13:50a flash
13:51in your face where you're like oh no I feel like this might be it. Yeah but I think because
13:55we all
13:56got fired it hurt a little less if that makes sense. And also halfway mark you got to the halfway
14:02mark
14:02that's a massive feat and you got stuck into every task you brought a lot of laughs and a lot
14:07of energy
14:08what was your biggest lesson from the whole process? I would say that delegation's good but
14:17also if you've got an idea do it yourself as well. I think in the Egypt task we were talking
14:23about
14:23getting the final activity for a cheaper price. I said to Kieran no you could do it you could do
14:28it.
14:29Why didn't I say how about I leave this negotiation so I had something else but it's because obviously I
14:34thought I was chef of the year. Do you know what I mean? It was so lovely watching you honestly
14:39absolutely lit up the screen and brought so many laughs. Best of luck with everything. Thank you.
14:44Thanks for having me. Okay gang let's bring in our next fired candidate who sadly saw their Lord Sugar
14:51apprenticeship start to crack in the kiln but before we bring her in let's remind ourselves of
14:57Andrea getting stuck into the task. Oh wow. Handed a spending ban by Megan. Oh wow Andrea that
15:07is amazing. Andrea. Done it all by myself. The rest of her team give pottery a spin.
15:14Straight from her ghost moment Andrea.
15:20Magical we know you're a midwife you're a successful letting agent not to mention unbelievable at boiling eggs
15:27and did you know that pottery was one of the many skills? That is a skill that I didn't recognize
15:32in myself no and I didn't get any help whatsoever. I could tell. Did you really? Yeah.
15:39You've got new hair. I have. And we're into it. Yeah. It's fabulous. Was this like trauma you know you
15:45get
15:45rid of a man you change your hair. I didn't want anybody to recognize me you know. I'd be that
15:50popular
15:51you know everybody going hi. Can I have the autograph? That's right. I'm the cover now.
15:54Now I'm okay. Nobody recognizes me. I'm fine. Let's talk about the task the firing. Ultimately
16:04the suggestion was or the thought was that you were negative and and bringing negativity or an air of
16:12it to the team. Yeah. I'm probably one of the most positive people that you'd meet. I'm really,
16:17I were really positive in the house. The other candidates knew about that. It's tactical and
16:22the thing is in business I always think you know you can't keep going and say we're going to do
16:27this
16:27going to do that going to point out the things that well this might not work or that might not
16:31work
16:31you know that sort of thing and and all I were doing were being loyal to project manager
16:36and um she didn't want to she didn't want to do the pottery but equally if you if you watched
16:41it I did
16:42say um you know even though she'd said not to do it the majority wanted to do it so I
16:48would go along
16:48with it. There were many instances where over the course of the weeks not just in this task where
16:53I think Andrea was pointing out had seen like potential pitfalls being kind of perceived as you
17:02not going with people. Actually weirdly this episode's got me thinking so thank you um because
17:08I I really relate to you because I sometimes feel that I do that a fair bit and and where
17:14someone
17:14might say it's negative I say I think of it as well you're you're the person that's spotting the iceberg
17:19before before you hit it you potentially save so many situations by actually offering another voice
17:25to conversations sometimes actually stepping up and saying those things it's quite hard to do in a
17:30group dynamic I find. Yeah and I mean the pottery might not have gone down well they might have
17:34absolutely hated it we got it all over his clothes you know like they might have been like we didn't
17:38want to do this and you know I mean and I've made the point of should we do it should
17:43we not have a
17:43think about it it's going to cost us could we put a free event on also I'm thinking about outside
17:47the
17:48box they took the easy route yeah they didn't want to put the effort in to do an activity.
17:52I think the good thing is that you you you voiced your concerns but you then threw yourself 100%
17:58in the task anyway. It's not like you stood back and then didn't do anything and that would have
18:02been negative. Yeah but I do think it was it was so uh palpable that loyalty and everyone was kind
18:08of getting whipped up in the idea of the pottery for obvious reasons it looked like a lot of fun
18:12but you were saying Megan has explicitly said not to do this Megan is the PM like I'm I'm loyal
18:21to
18:21our leader and that loyalty I feel was actually not rewarded at all. I spoke of like a true boss
18:27that and that's the thing when you run your own business you expect people to follow your direction.
18:31Yeah and it's quite bold to all go against that. 100%. Tim backing your PM in business you know when
18:40is it right to just blindly follow and when is it right to challenge? I think it's never right to
18:46do
18:46either blindly I am very much of the old school way is that if you are employed by somebody and
18:51they've
18:52given you a direction you should follow that however the only caveat is that if there's something that
18:58is going against your values health and safety or whatever you should put your challenge forward
19:02but don't just leave it there come up with a solution that mitigates for the risk that you identify.
19:08Loads of people are great aren't they like spotting what's wrong with stuff but where the real skill
19:13is I think in an entrepreneur a business owner a leader is saying something's wrong but here's a
19:18better suggestion. Yeah and being the last to go in the boardroom did you think okay two down I'm I've
19:25just
19:25about surviving no no not at all I knew how many people were left in the process and they'd only
19:33had a couple I think are one double fire ends we'd got to get you know shut us on and
19:41yeah we're halfway
19:46through the process week six now is the time so let's let rip yeah but three like three I wouldn't
19:54but Lord Sugar must have thought that we needed to go yeah and as Dan said on the end thank
19:59you Dan
20:01we're getting rid of some of the dead weight thank you very much. Dan was a very good friend of
20:07mine
20:07in the house. There was a past tense there did you know that? Nicely spotted. Apart from your historic
20:16historic friendship with Dan any highlights in the process? Um the highlight for me um and you'll
20:23see from my face when you've watched the first episode is sitting in front of Tim Baroness Brady
20:28and Lord Sugar and I wanted to go to Lord Sugar hi it's me hi because I've watched every single
20:35episode
20:35for 19 years and I I thought he knows me why is he not looking at me like hi it's
20:43Andrea you know
20:44yeah and I was my legs were shaking under the table it would just I was just absolutely in awe
20:51it were
20:52amazing well listen it's been an absolute joy to watch you thank you so much Andrea cheers and best of
20:58luck with everything brilliant thank you now I have said the fired candidates are like buses aren't
21:06they you wait for one and then three come along at the same time so it is time now to
21:10meet our third
21:11and final candidate Megan but first let's revisit the moment that she decided conversation was on the
21:17menu not just service oh yeah dipping into the party Megan hi um would it be possible it's just that
21:27we've got quite a few that haven't eaten and whilst um Megan's fabulous she's spending quite a lot of
21:32time of chatting and we've got a bit of press on the top and a bit of edible flowers just
21:36to match my
21:36outfit so it would be possible to get the food out a little bit quicker no worries she's a social
21:41butterfly she loves fabulous thank you so much i'll grab her she'll be out of your hair
21:47Megan the social butterfly has landed oh having a ball there out front is that just you and your
21:55element yeah that's definitely me i think when my family and friends are watching that they just
21:59thought that is just so me where does this week's task live in your memory pm yeah and essentially fired
22:09for over promising and and under delivering really but what did you think of your performance so i have
22:17done quite a lot of events in the past 25 25 on paper this is the perfect task for me
22:25but what i
22:26usually do is i work with brands and they're like makeup brands beauty brands and it's a lot of
22:31influencers so it's a lot of fun events this was very corporate for me and if i had taken influences
22:37on this trip they would have absolutely loved this would have been an amazing trip for them
22:41and i think the clientele can't push it that it's the clientele's fault because obviously we did our end
22:46of the bargain but it was just a different event for me i like this blame the clients no one's
22:51done
22:51this yet why not new angle new angle um do you think the suggestion of or the promise of luxury
23:02or
23:02even maybe just the mention of luxury yeah um and then hitting at a more mid-range might have been
23:09confusing for them i get why it would have been a bit confusing i think i really didn't want to
23:13say
23:14luxury i've watched a show before and i know when people say the word luxury it sets expectations
23:19very high but also i had to kind of use that word because it was a luxury client i couldn't
23:24not use
23:25that word for them so it was really difficult i think it's a challenge you people fight faces in
23:30business all the time you have to rightly in a sales negotiation anchor somebody at a high price but
23:36when you get to the price where they've settled an agreement you have to be very realistic of what the
23:41expectations are and i think that's the challenge the expectations were relatively high yeah and then
23:47the service at the end wasn't yeah meeting that was it was relatively low i would say i was trying
23:52to be nice
23:54you were absolutely adamant that the pottery was a no-go and yes pottery yeah we had
24:03so obviously i think if the kitchen went well and all ran smoothly i would have been annoyed if we
24:09did the
24:09pottery just because that could have been the breaking point of us maybe losing the task that a
24:14bit of extra money but because the kitchen didn't go well i am i know it sounds bad but i
24:20am glad that
24:20kieran did go with it in the end now because because it went so bad they needed something that lifted
24:25them
24:25up at the end and that's what i've always tried to do with my events i always want to make
24:28sure that
24:29they go home and have a good time and if they went on a went home after the food they
24:34wouldn't have
24:35maybe it would have gotten more of a refund i don't know that's great it's so good to hear you
24:38say that because
24:38that's so gracious and also i think weirdly in this process it sometimes seems as a viewer that
24:45it's hard for people to stand up and go i got it wrong uh in and especially if it's to
24:51someone else's
24:52credit yeah in kieran in this instance yeah so fair play to you for saying that actually thank you
24:57but you're here yeah maybe i've got maybe that's you're right what lessons have been learned
25:06um when when you got fired you were the first yeah to go did you sense that he was gonna
25:12go rogue
25:13so when i got fired i kind of seen it coming because i didn't make a profit i was the
25:18pm so i kind
25:19of knew it was coming but when he tells me to sit back down i because i've never been fired
25:25by
25:25chugger before i thought he was gonna like sit me down and be like here's some home truths like
25:29you need to do this you need to do that i didn't realize he was gonna say you're fired you're
25:34fired
25:34i was just so shocked at the time like a little feedback session yeah a bit that we don't normally
25:39see you yeah like it wouldn't be aired it'd just be like off tv yeah you made it halfway did
25:45you make
25:46any close bonds in the process yes i've actually made a best friend from it and pasha yeah i'm really
25:52close to the past yeah she was we didn't do many tasks together actually we kept quite separate
25:57um but yeah we're really good friends from it now and you also brought a little i mean it's not
26:01like desert island so you can bring some stuff into the house and you brought in something that
26:06was quite well appreciated yeah so i actually brought in like a streaming set for this cinema
26:11room that we had um and i actually think people might have been more upset that that was going
26:16and when you took it back with you yeah because i had to bring it back with me so yeah
26:21i don't know
26:21what i'm going i'm taking my streaming set with me yeah come back it was good that we had a
26:27few
26:27karaoke nights of that it was good yeah did you not try and almost suggest to other people that they
26:33can't bring you back because that would happen i mean i could have at the time i should have done
26:36that
26:36yeah okay egypt is in the past it is time to move on to task seven gang and next time
26:42the candidates
26:43will be trading strategy for stamina and facing a gamified fitness challenge here's an exclusive
26:49peek to get you ready for the action i personally feel like it sounds like you've got a little bit
26:54more gaming experience i know it's not exactly this i don't have a gaming experience just because i've
26:58played a game doesn't mean i'm yeah but i'm a gamer it's still a lot more than what i have
27:02done
27:02i'm just worried i wouldn't call you mr kipling yeah but okay rajan there's actually no way for that
27:07yeah yeah okay look i'm just going to say to you i do feel like i i understand you're getting
27:13frustrated all i'm asking is this isn't my area either but we're all trying absolutely we need your
27:18input good well that's going to go well that's quite explosive isn't it wait wait till you see
27:27wait mr kipling hey tim give us a little teaser i i know you're dying to speak your face is
27:34saying
27:35things that you can't i can't let out what the the joy you're going to see but i think one
27:41of the
27:41things that we always are cognizant with lord sugar he's always looking to see how business develops
27:46and one of his big things is technology so bringing the established industry of fitness together with
27:52technology is what is at the heart of this task and the interpretation is very interesting from the
27:58candidates the interpretation is very interesting and that is it everybody thank you so much
28:05chris megan we have come to the end of another task come back next time for more unfinished business
28:16on bbc2 iplayer or bbc sounds straight after the apprentice where our candidates will be powering up
28:22dodging obstacles and trying to avoid game over i'm angela scanlan goodbye
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