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00:19Are we rolling yet?
00:20Yep, anytime.
00:22My name is Jochen Harms, and my dad's name is Abraham Harms,
00:27and I'm here to set the record straight.
00:33It's a famous name.
00:35A lot of people know him, and my brother Enrique.
00:39To me, it was an amazing dad.
00:42I love him.
00:44Weekends when he was coming home after his trips,
00:47played games with us kids at the house,
00:50and we're all exciting.
00:53People that know him love him.
00:58He wasn't this bad person who wanted to be in the drug business.
01:04That wasn't him.
01:06He was a small trafficker.
01:10Like, he was one of the best persons on planet Earth.
01:15He got into this marijuana business, but it wasn't that he wanted it.
01:19He got into this business because life took him there.
01:26He did it for us.
01:28So can somebody be a drug dealer and be right with God?
01:31That's the question.
01:33That's the question.
02:22I think the drug game is never ending.
02:27Whenever you take out or chop off the head of one snake, another snake arises.
02:35Being an undercover agent is challenging.
02:38It's a mental game.
02:40Thinking in the way the criminal would think.
02:42Trying to be cool under pressure.
02:46Being quiet enough to look normal, but asking enough questions to covertly gather intel.
02:55There's a fine line on being able to execute the mission safely and then really putting yourself in harm's way
03:05and doing yourself a disservice in the investigation.
03:09I think it's the best gig in the world.
03:12You get to go out and play cops and robbers every day.
03:16It's the same stuff you were doing and imagining when you were a kid.
03:20You get to live that out in real life and get paid for it.
03:27Just letting Border Patrol know that we're going to be out there, one, so they don't mess with us, and
03:32two, we're a long ways from help.
03:36So, they'll be our first call that we make, and anything pops off.
03:47When the regular citizen thinks of the word Mennonite, they think of a quiet, very religious, proper group of people
03:54that are just doing the right thing and living a good life of the simple life.
03:58They're very into their agriculture, and it's a very peaceful group of people.
04:06But just like every society has, the Mennonite population is a very small fraction of people who commit crimes, and
04:14a lot of that crime is drug smuggling.
04:16The majority of the narcotics that we seize at the ports of entry are, we call it, deep concealment, to
04:26where it's concealed inside a non-factory compartment of a vehicle, whether it be a gas tank, a frame rail,
04:34an engine block.
04:34You can find different compartments in cars, and seats in car seats.
04:39Mennonite were so trusted, like at Borders, like when you were approaching Borders, like you were just good to go.
04:45My dad, he told us what he was doing, and like what was going on, and unfortunately we accepted, but
04:51he didn't force us.
04:52My understanding is that Abe enlisted the help of his sons, particularly on Enrique.
05:01Enrique Harms, he's comparable to the child of Guzman of the City Law Cartel.
05:07He's at the top of the food chain.
05:10Anybody along the community, especially in the valley of El Paso, has heard of the Harms.
05:16We knew that the Harms are running the Mennonite Mafia.
05:19It was kind of like this mythical figure, right?
05:23Cuauhtémoc, Mexico is a town about two hours south of the U.S.-Mexico border.
05:30And it is a Mennonite colony, and home to thousands and thousands of Mennonites.
05:51There's this community laid out in like almost perfect geometry.
05:57The roads are like perfect straight lines.
06:00They're collective style of very efficient cattle farming and dairy farming, and making a nationally known cheese in Mexico, known
06:11as queso Mennonita.
06:12My dad, he was in the cheese business way before he started into the drug trafficking.
06:21Back in Cuauhtémoc, back then, there were different cheese factories.
06:25So he was working with this company, and like, he bought cheese, and like, and he went all over Mexico
06:31to look for market.
06:32And he was doing pretty good.
06:34He was making a good living, was good money in it.
06:38Then after some time, he finds it in the American Crisco, like, and they love this Crisco and Cuauhtémoc.
06:44If you could get a load of Crisco, you would be selling it in a day or two.
06:47And he could make good money, double or triple the price.
06:51At the first time when he got to Crisco, like, he was coming to the Mexican customs and show them
06:57the permit.
06:59Like, everything was good.
07:00After a third or four times when he came to customs and showed it the permit loan, they were telling
07:05him this is a fake one.
07:07So they just pulled the truck aside and let it sit there.
07:12And like, and it was in the middle of May somewhere, and like in the desert by Juarez, like it
07:17gets really warm.
07:18And Crisco would start melting, and people that were driving by, the agent just took boxes of Crisco and just
07:26gave it away.
07:27And that was my savings.
07:29That was a really tough time for him.
07:31It was a really tough situation.
07:33All the money that he had been saving up, he spent into it.
07:38And then after, like, he was getting a loan, trying to get it solved.
07:43And, but it was just not working.
07:46All the years of hard working to get somewhere and to get something start up.
07:53And then just all of a sudden, like, you just lose everything.
07:58By that time, like, life was, like, really tough.
08:00He owed the money and he needed to pay and, like, was high interest.
08:04And he couldn't, just couldn't make it for it.
08:07Like, and then all of a sudden, there this genius comes up with this idea and tells him,
08:13hey, you know what, like, I got some marijuana.
08:16Like, probably you can get into the business and sell one of this stuff and pay off your debt.
08:22And so he did.
08:24He didn't want it to be this drug dealer.
08:31But being in drug business isn't easy.
08:34It's a, it's a tough life.
08:37You get used to it.
08:40And then you don't see it as a sin anymore.
08:45Beneath the surface, there is something much more sinister taking place.
08:49Like many Canadians, I thought Mennonites were God-fearing, law-abiding, hardworking citizens
08:56who had the best interests of their children at heart, who worked an honest life,
09:03who believed that, um, faith was important.
09:07They believed that God rewarded your life of hard work with entry into heaven.
09:12And so prohibitions against riding bikes, radio, TV, rubber tires on the tractors.
09:19You had to wear your overalls until they stank.
09:23You did not wash them.
09:25Weird things like this began to get people excommunicated, and then they couldn't be hired.
09:30Eventually, a culture of flouting prohibitions takes root in these communities,
09:35which has its final expression, I would argue, in drug trafficking.
09:48Even in the Mennonite community, as religious as they are,
09:51sometimes they fall down on their luck,
09:53and there is an opportunity there in that community to smoke on narcotics.
09:59In the 90s, the crop price dropped so bad that year,
10:04almost every farmer in Cuauhtému got into big debts.
10:09And that's when a lot of people walk up to you that were judging you for a long time
10:15for what you did.
10:18And now they're coming up to you and asking,
10:21what can we do?
10:24How can we survive this crisis?
10:29I don't want to be in drug business, I don't want to be a drug dealer,
10:31but I have this farmland, and I have been doing this all my life.
10:38My dad did it, and my grandpa did it.
10:40Not that they want to be drug dealers, but believe you and me,
10:44people will do things that they will not do.
10:46Like if it comes money, money is money, and people do things.
10:54Through the 90s and into the 2000s,
10:56the Harms sons, Enrique Harms, Johan Harms,
10:59begin to develop the drug business that their father bequeathed them.
11:05Johan Harms, he decides he's going to use his money to get into the movie business.
11:10In Mexico, there is a long tradition of straight-to-video B-movie narco shoot-'em-ups.
11:19Just about drug trafficking and all that kind of stuff.
11:27Johan Harms apparently decides that this is his life's work and his life's dream.
11:32He puts a lot of money into producing these movies,
11:35and in one movie, which I have seen,
11:37takes a guy's head and suffocates the guy
11:40by sticking his head into a big pile of cocaine.
11:56I was living my dream.
11:58It was exciting, I was getting famous,
12:01and I was super exciting of the work that I was doing.
12:07Abe was quite content trafficking in pretty poor-quality dope.
12:12Enrique seized the opportunity,
12:15and unlike his father, I think, was more of a visionary,
12:19insofar as he knew he had to adapt.
12:25The B.C. bud was flooding into the U.S. market.
12:30The Mennonite product was really seedy.
12:33It wasn't very good quality.
12:35And like good businessmen,
12:37they anticipated how the market was going to change,
12:40and they adapted to the market.
12:42So they diversified into cocaine, heroin,
12:46made a hell of a lot more money.
12:51It's a tough life.
12:52It's not easy.
12:54You get into tough situations,
12:56and you're facing with tough people,
13:00and you've got to stand up for yourself.
13:02Not that you want to be this mean person,
13:05but sometimes you really have to stand up for yourself.
13:09And that's in every single business.
13:11It's all over.
13:12You've got to defend your business,
13:14you've got to defend yourself,
13:15because if you're not going to be standing up for yourself,
13:18the people will eat you alive.
13:20It's not that you want to be this bad person,
13:23but sometimes you've got to face whatever it presents to you, right?
13:31If you really got a tough situation,
13:35okay, I would bring a gun along,
13:37but that wasn't the normal me, right?
13:44I grew up around Socorro late 80s, early 90s.
13:48The thing about Socorro at that time,
13:50one of the main highways that the cartels used to use
13:54to smuggle their drugs into the United States
13:57went directly through that main street in Socorro.
14:00So at the time that I was growing up in that area,
14:04Socorro was one of the major thoroughfares
14:06for the cocaine and marijuana
14:08that was coming in from the Juarez Cartel.
14:10So in that little town, everybody knew who was involved.
14:14They either were involved or you knew people that were involved.
14:16It was just common knowledge.
14:19The ironic thing about the Mennonites
14:21is that we always heard of the Mennonites
14:24being this religious, holy faction
14:29that they would turn away from modern luxuries like electricity,
14:33and all they wanted to do was, you know, live by the Bible.
14:37But all we knew growing up is when the Mennonites were in town,
14:41when they would come in for the weekends,
14:42they were the hardiest partiers.
14:44Do you like that?
14:46We're always ironic because when we would hear that,
14:49you know, about the Mennonites, you know, being some religious,
14:51we're like, well, not the ones that we hang out with,
14:53because those guys come hard and they party,
14:55downing their bottles of Jack Daniels
14:57and partaking in any party drug that they can get their hands on.
15:04In 2003, I was working on a book about Mexican immigration.
15:10I get to know a local social worker.
15:12And one night, he begins to tell me about the Mennonite community,
15:21about how the community is really completely in advance decay.
15:26First, he says, there's a terrible problem with inbreeding.
15:30And I go, what? The Mennonites from Mexico you're talking about now?
15:34I just didn't jive with what I knew about these people, right?
15:38And you know, the other thing is, and we're driving along,
15:42the other thing is they're major drug traffickers.
15:45I say, whoa, you know, pull up, what do you do? Pull over.
15:48I got to hear this, you know.
15:49He goes on to say, I have a client, a woman,
15:53whose husband was a huge informant for the Bureau of Narcotics of Oklahoma
15:59as they put together the largest drug bust in the history of the state
16:03up to that point in 1999.
16:06I don't know if you've heard of a guy by the name of Enrique Harms,
16:10and I had like never heard of that guy before.
16:12I was like, yeah, he's kind of the capo.
16:14His dad was the first one.
16:17This is the most bizarre story I have ever heard as a journalist, man.
16:23And I consider myself to have a highly refined journalistic compass radar
16:28right in here somewhere.
16:30And it was going haywire.
16:32It was like, get down to there, go start.
16:33Someone's going to do the narco-Mennonite story before you do.
16:39So I went down to Cuauhtémoc, to the Mennonite Campos, as they're called.
16:46I go down there, and the first thing that happens is I realize that I need to rent a car.
16:53So I go into the budget, rent a car, and I say, what's the cheapest car you got?
16:58And they point to, they point to a gold Chevy Love, which is about as large as your kitchen table.
17:06Okay, it's really dinky.
17:08I'm like, okay, I guess I'll rent that.
17:11And I'm driving off the lot.
17:13And, of course, this is a rural area.
17:15There's trucks and pickup trucks.
17:18That's it.
17:19No one's got a Chevy Love.
17:22And, you know, I got down there, and you could see the remarkable development
17:29that was due to the very industrious, hardworking Mennonite community.
17:35The farms were perfect, no trash, no litter, very perfect roads, right?
17:43They just go straight.
17:44It's the middle of the desert.
17:46And talk about making the desert bloom, that's exactly what Mennonites had done by then.
17:52Here I found this entire community that was planted in the middle of the old world
17:57that they imposed on themselves, but unable to avoid the new world that was all around them.
18:02The old world, I began to see, was definitely damaging, harmful to them
18:08because they used this old form of educating their kids, which was almost useless.
18:15So I went to a one-room schoolhouse.
18:17I mean, you'd think this would be more at home in, like, 1870 Nebraska or something like that,
18:23you know, where you have one teacher, and you have kids of all ages sitting there
18:27writing out in chalk on these little black chalkboard slates scripture.
18:33The teacher was a farmer.
18:35He didn't know anything.
18:35He asked me.
18:36Literally, this guy asked me.
18:38Six times seven, that's 42, right?
18:40Yeah, that's 42, all right.
18:42You know, but this was the level of knowledge that these teachers had.
18:45There's almost none.
18:46And so these kids graduated from this one-room school class,
18:49and that's all the education they ever got, right?
18:52And so they were vulnerable.
18:55They could not really get jobs.
18:59Anyway, for the next several days, I drive around the Mennonite colonies and talk to people.
19:06I was asking questions about trafficking, and I saw it was going to be a difficult story to write
19:12because of the fact that I really didn't know much about this community.
19:15I didn't speak the language, and I was clearly an outsider.
19:19I talked to this one guy, and he said,
19:21there is a guy who owns a restaurant out on the main highway,
19:24and his name's Enrique Harms.
19:29I go, Enrique Harms, okay.
19:31That's the same name as the Mennonite capo.
19:34And so I go to the restaurant, La Huerta,
19:37and I meet Enrique Harms, the owner of the restaurant.
19:41Thin little guy, face like a ferret,
19:44and he begins to tell me about how he had a cocaine habit,
19:48but now he's doing better, and now he's got this restaurant.
19:53I stayed there a week.
19:55I go by that Huerta restaurant one more time.
19:58I'm eating there, reading my notes, doing that,
20:01and all of a sudden, Enrique Harms sits down in front of me.
20:05He goes, what are you still doing here?
20:08Now, this does not feel very welcoming.
20:10You know, I'm like, um, I'm here.
20:13I'm leaving, actually.
20:14I'm about to get a plane later today.
20:17Oh, okay.
20:18So I finish up.
20:19I pay the bill.
20:21I walk outside, and all of a sudden, he appears next to me.
20:25Hey, let me take your picture.
20:26And at that point, I start getting, like, a little defensive.
20:30I'm like, screw you, man.
20:31You're not taking my picture.
20:32I get in my car,
20:34and I head off down the very, very long highway into Koltemuk,
20:39and as I'm driving,
20:41I look in my rearview mirror,
20:44and I realize I am being followed.
20:52I look, and there's this purple Dodge Stratus.
20:56Smoked windows, no plates.
20:58And that's when I really began to get terrified, honestly.
21:01Nobody really knows I'm here except my girlfriend up in Chicago.
21:05So I realize I just got to make a room for it, you know?
21:08And so I hit the road out of town.
21:11I come to a stoplight,
21:13and I see a big, uh, forest green Chevy pickup coming.
21:21And this guy pulls up in his pickup truck.
21:27And he reaches down into the well of his car,
21:30and I think, right there, I believe,
21:31he's gonna pull out a pistol and shoot me.
21:37Up to this point,
21:39I had been gripped by the most razor-sharp,
21:45crystalline terror I have ever felt.
21:49I am in real serious trouble now.
21:55And he reaches down into the well of the truck,
21:59and I really thought he was gonna come out with a gun
22:02and just kill me right there.
22:05Instead, he comes out with a digital camera,
22:09and he holds it up like this,
22:10and he starts taking my picture,
22:12cha-ching, cha-ching, cha-ching.
22:14Like, the light changes,
22:16all the cars go,
22:17and I just squeal out of there,
22:18and I drive into the, uh,
22:21first business I can find.
22:23And I get out of my car,
22:25and it's 2 o'clock, lunchtime in Mexico.
22:27Nobody's there but this kid,
22:2920-year-old kid,
22:30who's kind of minding the store.
22:32And I go up to him, and I'm like,
22:33the narcos, the narco-Mennonites are after me, man.
22:36Call the cops.
22:38This kid all alone, he begins to hyperventilate.
22:41He begins to try to push me,
22:43leave, get out, get out.
22:44We don't want you here, you know.
22:45I tell him, look, man, I'm not moving
22:47until you call the cops, get somebody over here.
22:49Finally, he gets a picture.
22:50He calls the cops.
22:51The cops come about 10 minutes later.
22:54It seemed endless.
22:54It seemed like they would never arrive.
22:56And finally, they get there,
22:58and they take me up to the police department.
23:01And so, a plan is devised for 2 of the cops
23:06to take me to Chihuahua City Airport.
23:09One guy is driving me,
23:12and the other guy is driving my gold Chevy Love.
23:15Right?
23:17The guy driving me lays his AK-47 on my lap as he drives,
23:23and we take off.
23:25It's supposed to take an hour and plus
23:28to get to the airport.
23:30I think we did it in 45 minutes.
23:32We were blazing, blazing fast.
23:36We get to the airport.
23:37I get onto the plane.
23:39I have, like, almost bent down and kissed the plane,
23:42you know, as I got onto it.
23:44That was my bizarre experience
23:49with the narco-Mennonites of Mexico.
24:19There we go.
24:26In 2012, we started seeing a lot more of the marijuana
24:30being smuggled through the Presidio Texas Port of Entry.
24:32We would see utility trailers being loaded
24:36with marijuana in the frame rails.
24:38Utility gas tanks, like those big diesel tanks
24:40that are in the back,
24:41they would put a tank within a tank.
24:43In the regular gas tank of pickups,
24:45they would put a steel box full of contraband.
24:51Mennonites are welders by trade.
24:54They are really, really good
24:55at welding farm equipment,
24:58and they're really, really good
25:00at welding non-factory compartments.
25:02And inside those non-factory compartments
25:04is where they hide their drugs.
25:07So during the interviews
25:09of these drivers of these vehicles,
25:12they would always come up with,
25:13you know, we answered and had in the paper.
25:17There were individuals from Mexico
25:19that were looking for work,
25:21and part of their way to look for work
25:24is they were looking for different ads
25:26in the newspapers.
25:29Many of them encountered the same ad,
25:32someone requesting drivers
25:33who had tourist visas to enter the United States,
25:37and they were requesting those drivers
25:39either deliver products, legal products,
25:43in the United States,
25:44or pick up some farm equipment in the U.S.
25:46and transport that equipment back to Mexico.
25:49Unbeknownst to them, those drivers
25:51were given a company car,
25:53but that company car had narcotics in it.
25:56And so they began smuggling drugs
25:59into the United States,
26:00and they didn't even know what they were doing.
26:03So were these drivers Mennonites?
26:06No, most of these drivers were Mexican citizens
26:09from Chihuahua, Chihuahua, Mexico.
26:11And in Chihuahua, they do see a lot of Mennonites
26:16because Cuauhtémoc and Oasis isn't too far from there.
26:20A lot of the drivers that we were encountering
26:22were describing the person that hired them
26:26and put the ads in the paper as Mennonites or Menonas.
26:30We named this operation Three Blind Mules.
26:32A mule is a person that smuggles contraband
26:36for a criminal organization.
26:40So part of our investigation was to try to figure out
26:43who was putting these ads in the Mexican newspaper.
26:46We started asking, hey, who did you call?
26:49What was the phone number you were given?
26:51What were the instructions you were given?
26:53Do you remember what the guy looked like
26:55that delivered you this vehicle?
26:56That happened over a course of several months
26:59to where now we started to get a few nicknames.
27:03Some were Juan Wiebe.
27:05Mario Blanco was a good one.
27:07Oscar Silva was another one.
27:10There was just a lot of different ones.
27:13You know, we started hearing a lot of Ingeniero.
27:16You know, the Ingeniero Silva or Ingeniero or Inque.
27:20There were several drivers that stated
27:23that the engineers are the one to hire me.
27:25And that's all we had to go by at the very beginning.
27:28Once we started to realize that, hey,
27:31this is one person that was responsible for this,
27:33we started trying to get as many identifiers,
27:36physical characteristics of what that person looked like
27:39and to start to narrow down a target profile
27:41of who we believed was responsible for these new tab rats.
27:45He was described as a tall white man,
27:51a Mennonite man,
27:53but spoke Spanish and spoke German.
27:56That person was identified as David Giesbrick Furr.
28:01So once we identified David Giesbrick Furr
28:03as our main target,
28:05we ran a target profile on him
28:07and tried to find every bit of information
28:11we could on his past.
28:12David Giesbrick Furr had a history of narcotics prevalent.
28:15We found out that he himself used to be a mule.
28:18He was arrested in Presidio, Texas
28:21for bringing drugs across the U.S.-Mexic border.
28:24He went to prison, and then he was later deported back to Mexico.
28:30But we felt like he hadn't learned his lesson
28:32from when he was caught the first time,
28:34and he was back to his old ways,
28:37this time a little bit smarter, a little bit wiser.
28:39And so instead of now of being that mule
28:43and taking all the risk,
28:44he was assuming very little of the risk
28:47and just drawing up the blueprint in Mexico.
28:50And he was the one that was, you know,
28:54had the master plan,
28:55and that plan was working for a long time.
28:59David Giesbrick's operation was a well-oiled machine
29:03until it wasn't.
29:05Marking.
29:14My name is David Giesbrick Furr.
29:24I'm doing this just because I need to clean my name.
29:29I grew up in a Mennonite family.
29:31My dad's.
29:32Born in Mexico.
29:34My grandpa's in Canada.
29:35We were nine in the family.
29:38I was the seventh.
29:41I was Peter, Hans, Maria, Willie, Henry, Justina, me,
29:46and then Margaret, and then Daniel, nine.
29:49Hans, or John, he died in 86 when I was 13 years old,
29:56drinking and driving.
29:57He was my best brother.
30:00Yeah, things happened in my life,
30:03and I had a really hard time for that.
30:09My dad was kicked out before I was born.
30:12He was kicked out from the Mennonites
30:14because he started driving trucks.
30:18He started dealing with Mexican people and used electricity.
30:24I never in my life have used overalls.
30:27I never in my life had a Mennonite school.
30:30I never had a Mennonite girlfriend.
30:32I never met a Mennonite wife.
30:34I grew up with Mexican people.
30:37The Mennonites, they are like,
30:39you're David Giesberg, you're a drug dealer,
30:42you're a murderer or something like that.
30:44They go away from me, something.
30:46That's why I'm here.
30:47I'm not a drug dealer.
30:48I'm not a killer.
30:50I'm not a murderer.
30:52I'm a legal person.
30:54And that's why I'm coming for this, yes.
30:59The next phase of the investigation,
31:01we try to figure out how do we defeat this?
31:04How do we get ahead of this?
31:06Because right now, there is an unlimited amount of people in Mexico
31:10that are going to answer these newspaper ads.
31:12And if we don't put a squash to this, we are going to be inundated with it.
31:17The only option that we had was to start delivering those narcotics
31:21from the border to their destination in the United States.
31:24And we needed the blind meals as help to make that happen.
31:30So some of the next steps that we did, we started talking with some of the drivers.
31:34You know, after they tell us they don't know anything about this.
31:36They didn't know anything, that any drugs or contraband was in the vehicles.
31:40And, you know, some of them were like, no, you're lying to us.
31:43You know, we had to go and show them.
31:45In interviewing these blind meals, we would inform them that the vehicle they had,
31:51that they were driving, had narcotics in it.
31:54Obviously, it was news to them. They were shocked.
31:58Most of them were really, really upset.
32:00And they wanted to do whatever it took to get back at David Geese McFerr
32:04for putting him in that position.
32:06And they agreed to cooperate with the investigation.
32:09Supposedly, they caught the driver, and this driver goes like,
32:13yes, it is him, but it's not me.
32:17The drivers, usually when they caught them, just go home or just be free,
32:22they want me to show somebody.
32:24And that's what they tried to do with me.
32:26They want me to show somebody, like, to put somebody in.
32:31Who do you want me to put in?
32:34And then they got mad, you know, and they said,
32:36hey, you know what, where are you supposed to go?
32:38Well, I'm supposed to go to Albuquerque, or I'm supposed to go to Tulsa, Oklahoma.
32:43And I said, all right, well, are you willing to help the U.S. government?
32:46And, of course, you know, some of them were all for it.
32:49And we did quite a few of these controlled deliveries to different cities in the U.S.
32:54We're going to take it to its final destination in order to apprehend more individuals higher in the cartel.
33:02We're driving these drug-laden vehicles all across the country.
33:08We were all over the map, and it was a really, really big network that we were dealing with.
33:14At that point in my career, this was the biggest thing I'd seen.
33:20One of our controlled deliveries was to Tulsa, Oklahoma.
33:23We arrived in Tulsa late at night.
33:25It was pitch black in this neighborhood, and there was an open house party at the residence
33:31where we're delivering this marijuana-laden truck.
33:34We parked the vehicle with marijuana in the front yard, as we were instructed to do.
33:39And several minutes later, our law enforcement team converged in the property.
33:44We booted the front door in.
33:47We encountered several people in the house.
33:50Myself and another agent, as we were walking down the hallway, entered the first bedroom on the left.
33:57When we entered that bedroom, we encountered two people that were having sex.
34:02We were able to get them secured and verify they didn't have any weapons on them, which was pretty easy
34:10to do.
34:10And then we continued to secure people throughout the house until we had 10 or 12 people secured, and we
34:19were running out of handcuffs.
34:21So during some of these controlled deliveries, we know that David Kishbrick Furr wanted to be in contact with the
34:27driver.
34:28So we had the cooperator, which was the driver that was hired in Mexico.
34:33He's now willing to record some of these phone calls with David Kishbrick Furr.
34:38You know, and there were phone calls like, hey, where are you at?
34:40I need you to stop here.
34:41I need you to go get a phone.
34:42I need you to get a hotel.
34:44Once you get a hotel, I need you to tell me what hotel it is.
34:47Send me the address.
34:48Send me what room number.
34:50Give me the phone number of the room.
34:52Just different things that he wanted to know, which to me was he wanted to know where his product was.
35:01David Kishbrick Furr just had a unique voice.
35:04It was once you heard it the first time, you knew it was him every other time you heard him.
35:19I was five years old when they took me to Spanish school.
35:24I learned first German and then Spanish.
35:28I was in the primaria and secundaria we started learning English.
35:32But my English got better on the street, I guess, on my jobs.
35:39And after all that chill.
35:42David Kishbrick Furr was well-spoken.
35:45He sounded educated.
35:47He sounded controlled.
35:49Relatively pleasant to talk to.
35:51But he just had that monotone that there was no doubting his voice when you heard him on the other
35:58end of the line.
35:59Do you want to hear some of these recordings?
36:01Yeah, go ahead. Go ahead.
36:21Okay.
36:22Now I know why you're asking so much if I'm that guy.
36:25That's not my voice.
36:26It's the same voice that my lawyer had.
36:28That's a make-up.
36:29And I never had to do nothing with those drivers.
36:32It's not my voice.
36:33It's not me.
36:35So you did not place the newspaper advertisements?
36:39No?
36:40No, it's not me.
36:42No.
36:43So he could say that he was Mario Blanco, Ingeniero Silva,
36:47engineer, whoever he was.
36:50But at the end of the day,
36:51when I listened to some of these recorded phone calls
36:54that we have with co-operators,
36:55I know it's David Giesprick-Furr.
36:57On one occasion,
36:59we're trying to conduct a control delivery.
37:02And we have the co-operator in our office
37:04here in Presidio, Texas,
37:05which was...
37:07We were on a phone call with David Giesprick-Furr.
37:10Furr knew that the gig was up.
37:13You know, he knew that his load was intercepted
37:15at the port of entry.
37:16He started, you know, talking with agents.
37:19And I basically told him,
37:22David, I know it's you.
37:23I know who you are.
37:24You know, we've got you this.
37:25We need you to come in.
37:27We know who you are.
37:28And he kept on denying,
37:29well, I don't know who you're talking about.
37:31You know, I don't know that name.
37:32And what's that name that you're telling me?
37:35And who is that?
37:49But later on,
37:51he ended up calling us back.
37:53You know, he starts pleading with us
37:54that the driver didn't know anything about it.
37:56You know, he's got small kids.
37:58You know, I don't want his kids
37:59to go through what my son did
38:02or what my son went through.
38:03You know, my son was murdered
38:04by these individuals.
38:06Perfecto.
38:06Entonces, yo le pido amablemente.
38:09Dice ese muchacho de Corompa.
38:10Tiene un chico.
38:12Él tiene un bebé.
38:13Y no quiero que le hagan a su bebé
38:14lo que le hicieron al mío.
38:15Al mío lo mataron.
38:16Ok, so él no sabía nada?
38:18No, él no sabía nada.
38:31He was telling us
38:40I remember that phone call.
38:43I've seen falling too many people.
38:47I've seen how, like I told you,
38:50Mennonites got killed
38:51just because they were starting
38:55doing jobs for cartels.
38:59And the most important thing is
39:03this is not,
39:04that's not Mennonite problem,
39:07the cartels.
39:08That's Mexican problems.
39:10The Mexican abuse from Mennonites.
39:19I think that they kind of looked at it like,
39:21oh, poor Mennonites are getting corrupted
39:22by the cartels,
39:23where all this time
39:24the Mennonites were corrupting themselves.
39:29Is it safe for you
39:30to be doing this interview?
39:32I feel safe.
39:33Shouldn't I?
39:35Have I seen something
39:36what I shouldn't?
39:37I don't think.
39:44On one of the control deliveries,
39:46we ended up in
39:47Lumberton, South Carolina.
39:49We were working with the locals,
39:50of course,
39:51and then we were working with DEA
39:52in order to secure
39:54an indictment
39:54on David Gieschbrick
39:57for trafficking of the cocaine.
39:58He was arrested in Mexico,
40:00extradited into the U.S.,
40:02and he was sentenced to five years.
40:04So I plead guilty,
40:06and then I went to Georgia,
40:09to McCray prison.
40:11So I did four years,
40:13five months in prison.
40:15Before I came out of jail,
40:17every time I talked to my wife
40:19or to my brother,
40:20that goes like,
40:21don't come back to Mexico,
40:22they will kill you.
40:23I go, why?
40:26Because those are cartels.
40:28You have been doing stuff for them,
40:30they will kill you.
40:31So the American government
40:34told me,
40:34you can choose,
40:35do you want to go to Canada
40:36or Mexico?
40:37Because I'm Canadian Mexican.
40:39I go, I want to go to Mexico,
40:40I want to see my kids,
40:41I want to be with my wife.
40:44And that's what I did,
40:45they sent me back to Mexico.
40:47The first thing what I did,
40:49I went to Mexico,
40:50to my cousin,
40:50I goes like,
40:51I need to talk to the big head,
40:53like from the minute I'm up.
40:55What do you need?
40:56I want to talk to him.
40:58He called him,
40:59he passed me the phone,
40:59I go,
41:01okay,
41:01do you have problems?
41:03Am I in dangerous?
41:05He goes,
41:06no, don't worry.
41:07Hold on,
41:08that's it.
41:10So,
41:10I was free from the minute I'm up.
41:13After that,
41:14I went to work demo,
41:15I stopped the police,
41:16and I go,
41:17I need,
41:17I need to talk to the
41:20and if you want to talk
41:22to the mafia,
41:23you must have a reason,
41:25if not,
41:26you are in big problems,
41:27you are in big shit.
41:29So,
41:30yeah,
41:31they took me to the place,
41:32and I talked to a guy,
41:34and I go like,
41:34I am coming from prison,
41:36I only need to know
41:38if I have to run,
41:39or am I in dangerous,
41:40or,
41:41no,
41:42there's nothing wrong.
41:44you can go.
41:45That's it.
41:47So,
41:47from there on,
41:49I have been working again.
41:53After he got out,
41:54he went back to Potemoc,
41:56and from what I heard,
41:58he was back in the business again
41:59of smuggling narcotics.
42:03So long,
42:05there are
42:06addictive people
42:07in Canada,
42:08United States,
42:09or Europe,
42:10or wherever,
42:12somebody will
42:13sell drugs.
42:15Somebody will sell drugs.
42:18So,
42:18fur,
42:19like anybody else,
42:20had a boss.
42:21We determined that
42:22Enrique Harms
42:23was part of the
42:25Day of the Geeseburg Fur
42:25organization,
42:26but he was even higher
42:27up on the food chain
42:28than Day of the Geeseburg Fur.
42:30The investigation
42:31was a lot bigger
42:32than we even thought.
42:37David Geeseburg Fur
42:38was telling us
42:40that the organization
42:42murdered his son,
42:44and we believe
42:45that the organization
42:47he was talking about
42:48was Enrique Harms' organization.
42:55Throughout my career,
42:57from being an agent
42:57to being a supervisor
42:59to being the director
43:00of organized crime
43:00and drug enforcement
43:02for HSI in D.C.,
43:03I always heard
43:04the name Harms.
43:05Harms always came up.
43:06You know,
43:07reports and intelligence
43:08reports that were
43:09coming out from then.
43:10To me,
43:10it was like,
43:11man,
43:11it took them that long?
43:12I remember those guys
43:12from high school.
43:15So my knowledge
43:16historically
43:17about the Harms organization,
43:19the Mennonite Mafia,
43:20as I like to call it,
43:21it evolved,
43:21and it has evolved
43:22throughout the years
43:24just like other cartels
43:25have evolved, right?
43:26So at the time
43:28that the Juarez cartel
43:30had control
43:31of basically all
43:32of Chihuahua
43:33and Durango
43:34and this area,
43:35of course,
43:36they had to fall in
43:36with the Juarez cartel.
43:38There was a time
43:39when they actually
43:39fell in with the Salazaras,
43:41which was a faction
43:43of the Sinaloa cartel
43:44when the Sinaloa cartel
43:45was starting
43:46to gain ground.
43:48But just like anything,
43:49you know,
43:49the power shifts,
43:50and so I think
43:51that the Mennonite Mafia,
43:53they're very keen
43:53and very smart
43:54in the way,
43:55you know,
43:56that they align themselves
43:57because they align themselves
43:58to whoever
43:59is gonna have the power
44:00and is gonna align
44:01their interests.
44:03And that's the way
44:04it's been forever
44:05since the cartel started,
44:06and it's not only
44:07just the Mennonites.
44:09It's any organization
44:10that wants to survive.
44:12Well,
44:13the Harms drug family
44:14has been untouchable
44:15for so long,
44:16and it's the Sable story.
44:18Corruption,
44:19bribes,
44:20and the fact that
44:22they've been offered
44:23this sort of immunity
44:24for years
44:25by the Mexican government.
44:26I believe that
44:27Kiki Harms
44:28has remained in power
44:29for so long,
44:30survived this long,
44:31I believe because,
44:33first of all,
44:34he's smart,
44:35remained just
44:37high enough
44:38to where he controls
44:39the Mennonite
44:40smuggling portion of it,
44:42but not so big
44:43that he gains attention
44:45from Mexican authorities
44:47or U.S. authorities.
44:49And he uses the fact
44:50that Mennonites,
44:51by nature,
44:52are very secretive.
44:53They keep
44:54the outside world,
44:56for the most part,
44:57at bay.
44:58And so he's able
44:59to travel in these communities
45:00with some sort of protection
45:03because even if
45:04the Mennonites
45:05are not involved
45:06or members
45:06from the Mennonite community
45:07are not involved
45:08in smuggling,
45:09they're going to offer him
45:09protection because
45:10he is a Mennonite
45:11and he is seen
45:12as a leader.
45:13That community
45:14is very secretive.
45:15They keep everything
45:16in a small group.
45:18They don't let much
45:18get out.
45:20It's a close community
45:21within a close community
45:23because cartels
45:24themselves
45:24are very secretive,
45:25right?
45:25The Mexican cartels
45:26have recently
45:27started doing stupid things
45:29like putting stuff
45:30on social media
45:31where you don't see
45:32the Mennonites
45:33doing that, right?
45:34So Kinky Arms
45:35uses that to its advantage.
45:36Yeah, just like
45:37any cartel leader
45:39or any organization,
45:40criminal organization,
45:42if, I mean,
45:43the people that need
45:44to know that he's a boss
45:45know that he's a boss.
45:46The people that are
45:47actively involved,
45:49right,
45:49that take orders
45:51from him,
45:53nothing where Mennonite
45:55is involved
45:55as far as smuggling
45:56is not going to be known
45:57by Kiki
45:58and authorized by Kiki.
45:59So the illegal aspect
46:01of them,
46:02Kiki Arms
46:03has control over.
46:10Well, November 6, 1994,
46:13well, it's a Sunday morning.
46:14I wake up
46:15and I did hear,
46:18like, my dad,
46:19you got a phone call
46:22and he left.
46:24He left the place
46:25and about 45 minutes
46:29or an hour after,
46:31somebody comes
46:32and gives us the news,
46:35the Kiki,
46:36had a car accident
46:38and passed away
46:42and died in a car accident.
46:49I saw the accident.
46:50I walked down
46:51where the car was
46:52because it was
46:53inside the bridge,
46:54flipped over,
46:55and I only saw the body
46:57and I saw a bullet hole
46:59at the door,
47:00driver's door.
47:02Like, you have seen
47:03the bullet hole, right?
47:04Yeah, that's what it was.
47:11Me, personally,
47:13I don't believe it was an accident
47:17because a couple of days after,
47:19like, we found bullet holes
47:20in one of the fenders
47:21of the car,
47:23so that raises question,
47:25like, who shot the tires.
47:31There were a lot of rumors
47:32that he had a Bible
47:34and he was away to church,
47:37but definitely he was not
47:38on his way to church
47:39and he was not,
47:41he, there was not a Bible
47:43in the car.
47:44I want to clear that up.
47:46That wasn't,
47:48that's not exactly what happened.
47:56Well, I know that
47:57John, the actor,
48:00he did a lot of shit.
48:01Do you think it's more possible
48:03that John, Johan,
48:04was actually the boss
48:06of the Mennonite Mafia?
48:07Yes.
48:08That's what I think, yes.
48:09What do you think?
48:10I think that he was a good one.
48:12He was the big hat.
48:15What makes you think that?
48:17Why would he make movies?
48:18Why would he like to be a movie?
48:20Why would he spend so much money?
48:23Because that costs a lot of money.
48:27I bet you that must be.
48:29And every day,
48:31new pickup and all that stuff.
48:32I, I, I always stood away from them.
48:37So you think John
48:37was actually the guy,
48:38not Enrique?
48:39Yeah, no, not Enrique.
48:41I don't, I don't believe
48:41Enrique's the big hat.
48:45No more questions.
48:48Time out.
48:55Who's in charge of the
48:56Mennonites
48:57when it comes to the business
48:58of not hunting them today?
49:05Who's Elbolos?
49:10I don't want to get into that.
49:16No, I don't want to get into that.
49:18No more, I don't want to be a
49:19I don't want to be a kid.
49:20And that doesn't
49:39I don't want to be a kid.
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