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00:09You guys recording?
00:11Yeah.
00:18My name is Johan Harms,
00:20and I'm here to set the record straight.
00:24Mennonites are beautiful people.
00:26When the regular citizen thinks of the word Mennonite,
00:28they think of a quiet, very religious group of people.
00:32I would see them going by in the horse and buggies.
00:35I thought they were just religious people.
00:37God-fearing.
00:38All-abiding.
00:39Go to church.
00:40Hard-working.
00:41Don't swear.
00:42Who worked an honest life.
00:44Don't do anything wrong.
00:45Boy, was I wrong.
00:50Beneath the surface,
00:51there is something much more sinister taking place.
00:56There's a lot of good Mennonites,
00:58but there's a lot of bad Mennonites too.
01:01A lot of them got excommunicated from the church
01:04for violating certain prohibitions.
01:06So you get this very, very enforced separation
01:10that then becomes the reason why so many rebel.
01:15Very small fraction of who commit crimes,
01:18a lot of that crime is drug smugglers.
01:20There's a lot more money to be made at selling drugs
01:22than there is picking tomatoes and tobacco.
01:24And you begin to unearth the descent
01:27into narcotics trafficking.
01:30And all that entails in terms of danger,
01:33threat, harm, killing, extortion, coercion, intimidation.
01:38Oh my God.
01:39This Mexican Mennonite is a drug dealer.
01:42I just know it's not a godly thing.
01:45There is no honor.
01:46The only thing that matters is money.
01:49They had this public image.
01:51It was like harmless peasants.
01:52We're so trusted like at borders.
01:54You were just good to go.
01:55These blind mules were driving these drug-laden vehicles
02:00all across the country.
02:02The big trucks, they were mainly coming in around
02:04about two and three in the morning
02:07because that was not their daytime job.
02:10Mennonites got killed
02:12because they were starting doing jobs for cartels.
02:16This was the biggest thing I'd seen.
02:18This is a major drug operation
02:20with links to some of the most lethal,
02:24ruthless Mexican cartels in the world.
02:28There are a lot of Mennonites and problems like me.
02:32Being in the drug business isn't easy.
02:35It's a tough life.
02:39The Harms drug family has been untouchable for so long.
02:43They've been offered this sort of immunity for years
02:46by the Mexican government.
02:47Mr. Harms, they told me that you are involved
02:49in the drug business here in Guatemala.
02:51We knew that the Harms are running Mennonite Mafia.
02:54My understanding is that Abe enlisted the help of his sons,
03:00particularly Enrique.
03:01He's comparable to the chop of his lawn of the Sinolo cartel.
03:07He's at the top of the food chain.
03:09First it's marijuana, but then eventually comes cocaine.
03:13He's prepared to do anything to protect his interests,
03:18even if that means abducting, torturing, and beating to death
03:23with baseball bats members of the Mennonite community.
03:27Right now, as we speak, there is a full-scale war occurring just miles south of us in Chihuahua, Mexico.
03:37So many of them disappear.
03:39You get used to it, and then you don't see it as a sin anymore.
03:45The community is imploding.
03:48I knew the enemy was very, very close to me.
03:52They became more ruthless, more greedy, more interested in making more money.
03:57Defend your business. You've got to defend yourself,
03:59because, like, if you're not going to be standing up for yourself,
04:02the people, they will eat you alive.
04:04This is the most bizarre story.
04:08What is a Mennonite doing with drugs?
04:11How is that possible? How did this happen?
04:14No more questions.
04:31My name's Bernie LeBlanc.
04:34I joined the Provincial Police in 1985.
04:391987, I became part of the Ontario Provincial Police Drug Enforcement Section.
04:45A lot of the smaller towns, even some of the bigger towns,
04:48their officers are all known, so it's not easy for them to infiltrate the drug dealers.
04:54So what they would do is take Provincial Police undercover operators, take us to a town.
05:01I always said that it was one of my favourite things were going into these old bars,
05:06and when you first open that door and you smell the, you know,
05:10the sweat and the blood and the stale booze and cigarettes,
05:14it was just, ah, let's get to work.
05:28It's about the mid-80s in Ontario.
05:31We're making stops and getting marijuana.
05:33It wasn't like marijuana we'd usually see,
05:35the homegrown would be loose stuff and all that.
05:37Well, we're seeing this compressed stuff, and it's got seeds in it,
05:41and it's obviously not from here, it's being smuggled,
05:43but it's extremely hard, and people are using coffee grinders to grind it up to be able to use it.
05:49But apparently it's extremely cheap, so it's becoming a hit,
05:51and we had no idea where it was coming from.
05:53In 1989, I was contacted by the drug enforcement section from Windsor of the OPP.
06:03What do you think about coming and working in Leamington?
06:06I said, Leamington? Where in the hell is Leamington?
06:12A civilian came forward and was concerned about narcotics trafficking in the Leamington area.
06:19His brother had died from a drug overdose, and he was looking for payback for sure.
06:27We were in the undercover car, and we were trying to come up with a plan on where we were
06:31going to go buy some more drugs.
06:33He said, I've heard about this Mennonite that's dealing drugs.
06:37And I said, Bull, they don't sell drugs.
06:41Honest, I had never really knew very much about Mennonites.
06:46I thought they were just religious people.
06:49Go to church.
06:50Don't swear.
06:52Don't drink.
06:57Boy, was I wrong.
07:00When we pull up to the house, it just looked like your typical, what you would think of a Mennonite
07:06home.
07:07There's a clothesline at the back, and I still remember this.
07:11There was work clothes, and then it just kind of went down the line to baby diapers.
07:18There was no way I was going in there to buy drugs.
07:21We go up, and I knock on the door, and this Mexican Mennonite comes to the door, and it's Abraham
07:32Harms.
07:38I said, How are you doing?
07:39He said, Good.
07:40And I said, I'm looking to buy some weed.
07:43He invites me in.
07:44Yeah, what do you want?
07:46Well, I'll take a quarter.
07:47I was thinking quarter ounce, because I really didn't think they were dealing large quantity of drugs.
07:53So I see him go to the cupboard.
07:55He takes out a brick that I recognize as a kilo of weed.
07:59He cuts a quarter off the kiwi and puts it on the scales, and here you go.
08:10Well, you could have knocked me over with a feather.
08:14Oh, my God.
08:16This Mexican Mennonite is a drug dealer.
08:29Abraham Harms originally came up into the Leamington area to work on a farm that harvested tomatoes.
08:35And then we find out he's had a side job.
08:38Along the way, someone convinced him that maybe he should start transporting loads of marijuana up there, too.
08:44There's a lot more money to be made at selling drugs than there is picking tomatoes and tobacco.
08:52Abe Harms thought I was going to be a connection for him to distribute drugs in Ontario.
08:58And he actually wanted me to go with him to Mexico.
09:02I go back to my boss and said, look, I want to go to Mexico.
09:06He goes, you idiot, you're not going to Mexico.
09:09We got no way of covering you.
09:11You can do what you can do here in Ontario, but you're not going anywhere else.
09:15I said, okay.
09:18Harms said that he would be able to get me four or five kilos of weed.
09:23I made the deal with Harms to meet on the dock in Wheatley and it was all set.
09:35We ended up meeting on the dock in Wheatley.
09:38I seen the five kilos of weed.
09:41After a bit of a struggle getting the signal out to my arrest team,
09:47it was quite the feeling being on the end of this dock,
09:50waiting for the cavalry to show up and no one's commented.
09:54I was counting the money.
09:55I'd go, ah, no, I got that wrong, and I'd start over again.
09:59I was just trying to buy time.
10:04All of a sudden, all these sirens and policemen are running down the dock with shotguns
10:09and throwing bodies on the ground, arresting everyone.
10:14Abraham Harms and his partner were taken off to jail.
10:19The next day, I introduced myself as Detective Constable LeBlanc.
10:24He wasn't too happy when he seen my face, not like the other times I had met him.
10:30A large group of policemen got called in at four o'clock in the morning
10:33to meet at a police station in Leamington.
10:34And we see two Mexican Mennonite guys in the cells, which at that time was a rarity.
10:39You might get the odd one for, you know, drunk driving or whatever.
10:42They bring in these two garbage bags and they set them on the desk and they say,
10:47today we're here to wrap up an undercover project.
10:49And then they open up the bag and we see 50, 60 pounds.
10:53There was a lot of pot there compressed.
10:56Then they say something about the Mennonites.
10:58We're like, the guys in the back?
11:00You could just hear a pin drop and everybody was kind of dumbfounded.
11:05Mystery of the Brickweed solved.
11:07I think everybody was flabbergasted and it was Bernie's work that identified this organization.
11:13From what I understand, I was the first officer to purchase drugs off of Mexican Mennonites.
11:21The light bulb went on with law enforcement that these Mexican Mennonites just aren't these God-fearing people anymore.
11:30They're in the business.
11:32From the sounds of it, it was a good business.
11:37Abraham Harms was arrested in Ontario and somehow they let this guy out on bail.
11:44Our judges aren't always the best of lawyers or the best decision-makers.
11:48Abe was smart enough to realize, let's get out of here.
11:50He skipped town. He went to Mexico.
11:56He never came back.
11:58But he also had his ties here that he could still sell narcotics through other Mennonites,
12:02through his contacts that he made an organized crime.
12:04The narcotics don't slow down.
12:06They keep coming into Canada and the States.
12:09With so many families, they needed money.
12:12They weren't getting it from the farm.
12:13They'd been in the drought at that time.
12:15And they saw an easy way.
12:16Come up to Canada, two-day drive, bring a load of drugs,
12:19and you can make what you can make in a year as a farm head.
12:29In 1991, I was kind of goofing off.
12:33I went down to the CBC Library.
12:36This is pre-internet.
12:37I happened upon the Windsor Star.
12:39I see this, what we call a three-inch story, a small little story.
12:44And it makes mention of the fact that a fellow by the name of Cornelius Bandman
12:49had been arrested at the border with a false bottom sofa packed with dope.
12:58Cornelius Bandman. Cornelius Bandman.
13:03That's a Mennonite name.
13:05And the first question was,
13:06what is a Mennonite doing with dope in the false bottom of a sofa?
13:11I recognized that he was just a mule.
13:13He was getting paid to ship the dope from Kwakdamuk through the United States
13:20into southwestern Ontario and southern Manitoba.
13:24So the question was, who's Bandman a mule for?
13:28I discovered that Cornelius was in the pay of Abraham Harms.
13:33Well, who's Harms working for?
13:36Canadian law enforcement, they had these jurisdictional issues
13:40that they had to deal with.
13:42They couldn't travel to Mexico.
13:44As a journalist, I didn't face those obstacles.
13:46I could go to Kwakdamuk.
14:12We went down to Kwakdamuk.
14:15We descend upon the Hamses.
14:19We arrived at his homestead.
14:26Hello, Mr. Harms?
14:27Hello, I'm Hannah Gartner, Canadian Television.
14:30I think we can interview him in England.
14:32Yes, I was talking to...
14:33I'll talk slowly.
14:36I was speaking to Canadian police and they told me that you are involved in the drug business
14:42here in Kwakdamuk.
14:45No, not me.
14:47No?
14:47No.
14:48Are you retired?
14:50No, I never do hear that.
14:52Well, that's not true at all, Mr. Harms.
14:55You're a fugitive from Canada on narcotics charges, possession and trafficking of marijuana.
15:05The customs official and the police are very anxious to have you.
15:09Could I ask you one question, just as a parent?
15:11How can you make your children act as mules and smuggle narcotics across the border?
15:17As a parent, I would like to know this.
15:21I don't understand you.
15:23Are you going back to Canada to face charges?
15:26No, I don't know. Maybe not you.
15:30So you admit that you are in the drug business?
15:36You're staring at me, sir, but you're not answering.
15:41Is that your son behind us in the purple cap?
15:44Is this the boy?
15:45Is he younger?
15:46Yeah.
15:46I thought you said he's not home.
15:49I think you do understand that you have made criminals out of your children.
15:53I think you do understand that.
15:55Do you understand how he can break his body?
15:59Yes, I understand.
16:01Yes, I do understand.
16:09Really telling moment where he starts dangling the keys.
16:13The nervousness begins to overtake him.
16:18A, he had children.
16:24And had enlisted the help of his sons, particularly Enrique.
16:33There's a son there.
16:35Johan is there.
16:36Baseball cap, sheepish.
16:38Johan realizes what's happening.
16:41She makes a hasty exit.
16:50And the critical question was, I think that singed his sense of self, was how could you enlist your children?
17:01And I think Abe at that point recognized what he had done.
17:06That he, for money, had converted his children into criminals.
17:22Enrique was in jail in Juarez on heroin charges.
17:35I remember his hair being cropped here.
17:39It was that very bad haircut.
17:44It was as if you were confronting a little boy.
17:48I would like to know what you're going to tell your father when you get out of here.
17:52Like, when I answered that, why the drugs were coming in the truck.
17:59And he still hasn't told you that?
18:01No.
18:09What happened to Abraham Harms?
18:12Well, what happened to Abraham Harms is still a bit of a mystery, I think.
18:18Shortly after, we discovered that Abe met a sudden and violent death.
18:27He is killed in a car wreck on the highway between Cuauhtémoc and the town of Rubio, which is 22
18:34miles of straight highway.
18:36From what I was told, he drove off the road, hit a tree, crawled up out of the ditch onto
18:41the road and got hit by a second car.
18:44It's very difficult to determine what the truth is.
18:47The other story, which has developed some credence within law enforcement, is that perhaps it wasn't as innocent as that.
18:56That he may have been killed.
18:58That the so-called accident was not an accident.
19:01But he died, and he died going to church with a Bible in hand.
19:07The contradictions.
19:08He still believed to his last breath, apparently.
19:12The police.
19:13Enrique Harms, Johan Harms, begin to develop the drug business that their father bequeathed them.
19:20First it's marijuana, but then eventually comes cocaine, because the supplies coming from Colombia are just catastrophic.
19:46The police.
20:00They take care of the drug was killed, and they were an accident.
20:00The police are怕-sick.
20:00You're an accident.
20:02The police Nothing analyzes.
20:02The police is so dangerous here, not the police who used to live.
20:02The police are cow and neutered, you.
20:02The police are accused of his death.
20:02The police are killed in the police.
20:03The police are killed.
20:04The police are killed in the police.
20:04The police ranch to the police.
20:05The police are killed.
20:11The police are killed in the police.
20:12i started dating abraham really oh my gosh i was feeling so many butterflies in my stomach
20:22when we started wanting to get married we had to come past our sins to everyone what we had
20:29done wrong for the biggest stuff we had to go to the bishop and like abraham he had
20:36stole the money from a place where he worked before and then the bishop said oh you have way too
20:45much
20:45since we cannot forgive you what kind of person he is what he has done you are damned we cannot
20:53forgive
20:53you abraham had a very hard time with it he lost all his fate
21:08and then i got kicked out of the church in the community too i was only about three months
21:15with abraham then he already started hitting me i didn't expect that i would have to deal with that
21:24more but that's what i ended up with
21:33when i grew up in mexico we never had electricity that was a sin mennonite that have so many rules
21:42their own gosh you cannot imagine they expect a mennonite woman is supposed to be in church every
21:52sunday some sundays we all dressed the same color dark brown or black mostly all had the same hairstyle
22:07one day when i was almost 10 years old my mom died that was hurting in my heart
22:18i was never the same again i was lost
22:25my dad i got spankings pretty bad from him sometimes i had to run after a booster cable
22:33that he was trying to hit me with and stuff like that and that was not easy on me
22:43i was feeling like i was i was lost i didn't get any love from anybody this
22:53amazing sometimes to think about it that you still can be alive after all that
23:04we decided to leave mexico because mennonite would have eaten us alive
23:20abe webe he was my brother-in-law i knew him one um in mexico for years
23:29after i got married to his sister one day we decided to move into oklahoma
23:37abe and helen they showed up in thomas in the mid-90s
23:42and they stayed with us for a week or two and then they moved into an apartment at the motel
23:49abe started working here and there some just never knew
23:54one day to the next if he was going to be around or not he did drink a lot nobody
24:02could tell him
24:03nothing and when we were living in oklahoma abraham he always had a bunch of mexican friends javier
24:11morales that was the top one javier morales lived in lukeba oklahoma and javier connected abraham
24:20wayby with renee cisneros the contact to the source of mexico the local wholesaler
24:28abraham and javier morales they a lot of times they went to a cantina
24:38abraham he knew of drug trafficking from the area where he was hanging around with his friends
24:47and several years for having friends like that and so that's how he got involved with it
24:55he said always i have to go and get the truck abraham he was in that drug trafficking and all
25:02that stuff
25:02i knew the drugs were coming from mexico but i didn't know who was sending it or this or that
25:11i
25:11didn't know any about it
25:19abe called me up one night and he said i'm having trouble with a tire to take off i went
25:26over there
25:27and i had a rough time at my business at that time he just got in his pocket and he
25:33had a big
25:34roll of money abe told me that he took these wheels apart took the rims out cut them all open
25:43packaged it
25:44up all into the city he just said if you work like this you just work a little bit just
25:52a couple hours a
25:53day and he said you got all the money you need to do whatever you want to do he asked
25:59me he said
26:00why wouldn't you do this instead freezing your butt off in the shop and just hardly making it
26:08and i mean there was a temptation he didn't do nothing he had bigger old money in his pocket
26:25just at that time i couldn't i mean i couldn't afford to have nothing
26:38then i said no it's not what i want for my family and that's not what i'm gonna do
26:46i walked away from it there's so many mennonite people so poor
27:00they'd be tempted to do it because that's easy money and when they got an offer like that
27:09they took it but abe they thought he was in control
27:41abraham always told me that he would one day tell the police that he knows something where police
27:48would be very suspicious over and i told him that's not good for you if you do that but he
27:53didn't care
27:56one day he got pulled over for drinking and driving and he always had to talk
28:06abraham weaby was stopped in thomas i got a call from a chief up there and he has a guy
28:14stop and the
28:15guy's saying some silly things about mennonites making the secretion methods for the cartels
28:22do you want to go talk to him and i go sure why not
28:27when i first met abraham weavy the chief had this secluded building away from town he didn't want
28:34anybody seeing us interviewing him i remember walking in the interview and uh a farm boy he looked like a
28:43farm kid like he stood out he greeted me and he was really docile how are you doing kind of
28:52slow about
28:52his movements i guess that's what mennonites are i guess that's kind of their makeup they're very
28:58nice very calm but it was a surprise so i was like does he know how does he know it
29:04was very weird
29:05and i'm thinking this guy's gonna give me anything i had my list of questions and i started talking to
29:11him about him he goes but that's not what you want to know and he started telling me about
29:17this top piece wholesaling mass transportation secretion methods smuggling locations trucks
29:26i'm like this guy knows stuff that we caught with top level conspirators that we intercepted
29:31nobody gets to know that stuff unless you're in it abraham had to be involved in some way or fashion
29:40to know those details and he started talking about him being a mennonite and i'm like i thought you guys
29:45stay away from this stuff this is nothing in your culture he goes oh no no no if you go
29:52down to
29:52mexico we ran out of land that's all we do most of the people have moved to moving drugs for
30:03the cartels
30:04and i posed a question to him i said what if we put you at a house and had the
30:0918-wheelers come to you
30:12what do you think what do you think and this guy wasn't nervous calm he was like yeah i could
30:21do that yeah
30:30thomas is northwest oklahoma it's pretty rural and this farmhouse and barn we get from the mayor
30:38the mayor offered it to us to use it it was probably four miles from in town there is nothing
30:46around maybe a another house a couple miles down the road but you can't see nothing much out there
30:52so it's a setting where nobody's going to suspect anything this barn you could pull the 18 wheeler in
30:59i told abraham to tell javier morales i have a farmhouse i have a barn come look at it i
31:07want to make some
31:07money this is not going to be for free abraham told javier which in turn told renee cisneros renee cisneros
31:15had connections to every city in oklahoma and other states he had all these wholesalers in small towns
31:23that he was connected to they believe it's his farmhouse his place that he's renting out they
31:28just saw a way to avoid bringing it to the city and stashing it in thomas it was an immediate
31:34sell
31:38we had to wire up the farmhouse with cameras we had to have two surveillance teams for the inner city
31:45for the wholesalers that were picking up and a night team they were running day and night
31:51the big trucks were mainly coming in around two and three in the morning because that was not a daytime
31:58job
32:01when the truck would come in abraham was outside helping the people there and i was
32:06write down license plates and phone numbers if i could and all that stuff we're getting a call from abraham
32:14saying hey i got somebody from city coming right now these were times from two o'clock in the morning
32:21to five o'clock in the morning so we would have to scurry up take off to thomas which get
32:26there in a
32:27high rate of speed so we would try to beat him to the punch to see them pick it up
32:31load it up the most
32:32drugs was heading in this huma truck frame and the tires that had a pipe around the rim so that
32:39it would
32:40stay on there in all four tires it was packed the drug was packed with plastic and then they had
32:47a
32:47bunch of baby powder and then it was foil and then it was baby powder and then there were chavalets
32:53or
32:53foil in this flat package like pacas a kilo that was like a pound size each my house had a
33:02very old
33:02basement they carried it in there and they they came to and put it in black bags we had to
33:08deliver it from
33:09there sometimes i like to be sneaky because i'm a mennonite too the 18-wheelers the beams of the
33:20trailer that spread from the back of the trailer to the front were hollow and they'd stuff the dope
33:27all the way up through the beams so when they would get to our location abraham would use this painters
33:34pole to fish out the dope within mennonite culture there is almost an innate ingenuity innovative kind
33:44of sense of we can make do with whatever we got they're really good at making false walls really
33:51good at mechanics and finding spaces and carburetors and engines for dope tried to surveil something
33:59from a mile away we had surveillance binoculars and we're seeing this happen this is a year-long
34:06investigation
34:09in 1999 i get contacted by the oklahoma bureau of narcotics we start discussing their investigation
34:16a little bit in detail and they said well we'd like you to come down because we really haven't
34:20dealt with mennonites so we're going to fly up to detroit and meet up with you talking about mennonites
34:26what to expect how to deal with them how the hierarchy works it was golden to have him connect
34:31the dots for us because i mean we're not mexico we did not know they were in canada he was
34:37able
34:38to name the people because he knew them historically like a month later i get the call they did their
34:45first
34:46bye they sent me pictures and that's more than we've ever saw we learned it was going to florida
34:53america chicago mississippi seattle colorado new mexico that's when they realized holy cow this is
35:01going everywhere this is bigger than we all thought
35:11as the case was ending we had been doing this for almost nine months i know i'm physically tired i'm
35:18working working during the day getting up at two or three in the morning working for three hours
35:23sleeping two hours abraham's protecting the dough calling me so i'm sure he's exhausted he has to
35:30drink with these guys when they're hanging around and he's forming a friendship the only friend he's
35:35developing is javier and getting closer to him abraham would approach me about hey when are you going to do
35:44the rest are you going to take down javier morales at that moment when he asked me i knew
35:51there's something there he's trying to protect javier if i would have said yeah i'm going to tell you
35:56want to arrest everybody he would have told javier in the case we would never arrested anybody so
36:02i was never going to tell abraham or helen even though abraham was consistent about asking in the
36:10very last month abraham was getting so depressed and he didn't want to deliver the stuff anymore
36:16he didn't want to talk to them anymore not to javier morales not to the agents i guess he didn't
36:23know
36:23which way to go
36:32towards the end of the wire as you're identifying everybody in town and collecting the evidence you
36:38reach a point where there's nobody else to identify my admin and all the case agents made decision to
36:45make a complete and target date to round everybody up
36:56this is a joint investigation we've been working hand in hand with obn trying to get the dope off the
37:01street this tonight is a major step because this is a major major load that's been taken out
37:12in the case we had 2300 pounds of cocaine there was a little bit of heroin 28 arrests of all
37:21wholesalers 18 search warrants of locations
37:35abraham and his wife helen i met with him and i told him we're going to put you in a
37:40protection
37:41program we were living at that point in a hotel in oklahoma city right beside oklahoma bureau of narcotics
37:49and then we didn't know what to do until abraham uh got to the point that he wanted to go
37:55to mexico
37:55but i said no it's not the safe place for you he was just getting so mad at me okay
38:01he said i will
38:02leave you here and i will go by myself he didn't care about me or anything at that point
38:16after the arrest abe showed up at the shop and he said he was going to mexico and i told
38:23him if they
38:23see you down there i said you know that they know what happened you're tying the rope on here and
38:30i
38:30said they're going to finish you off down there and he said nobody is going to do that to me
38:35then
38:36he was kind of upset and he just got his vehicle left
38:53we went back to the campo of where he grew up
38:59he called he was in mexico it's an argument what are you doing down there
39:03why would you go down there this is your family now mexico's big
39:08in his mind if i could live somewhere not say any word he'd be fine
39:17but i don't know if you've been in the menina community they all gossip they're all close-knit
39:21they all share information
39:25so i'm sure somebody told somebody where they were going and that's how they learned they were in mexico
39:38there is a lot of good mennonite people down there but there's a lot of bad ones too a lot
39:45of
39:45that's how they learned they were going to be in the menina community we had a car that was a
40:01dodge dynasty it was a beautiful car i loved it
40:05and then we got in Mexico he wanted to sell it came guy supposedly was from
40:12Rubio he came by and wanted to buy it and the guy supposedly was buying the
40:18car he was going with him to the border but they never got there we were calling
40:27to the United States we had to go to a different compo to make the phone call
40:33because we didn't have no phones at that point still and we were trying to
40:37communicate with his aunts and uncle and sister and brother and there was nothing
40:46six days after Abraham left the house my mother-in-law got up that day she was so
40:53surprised she was screaming so badly that the window was broken and then she
40:59came into my room screaming girl get up let's come see what happened and then
41:07we found a rock there was that ladder attached to a rock and then that's what
41:11made the window broken that was laying there under the pew close to the table
41:18in november 22nd in 99 senora wive para más informarle que abraham está bien y le manda
41:28muchos saludos pero si usted vuelve a hablar para los estados unidos vamos a matar y abraham y usted con
41:39todo y familia porque la estamos cuidando
41:43aquà y allá de muy cerca usted sabe si habla oh wow después nos reportamos
41:54anyway I told her get your stuff I don't care what you have in your pocket money wise
41:59get your kids come to the border cross the border just get out now
42:05I had a source in Cuauhtemoc and that source told me that they had kidnapped a beat him tortured him
42:12over cooperated went over what he gave hit him on the top of the head with a bat threw him
42:19in the lake
42:19Dave was killed and thrown in the lake
42:34this is an organization run by ruthless people who will kill in order to protect their operation
42:47and the money and the money that is generated by that operation they will be he was working with
42:54somebody and the person he was working for was working for someone else and then of course it goes
43:07back to arms do you hold Enrique arms responsible for Abraham we be disappearing I was told by the source
43:16and René Cisneros that he had him killed and I had the other reporter telling me that so yes I
43:24believe he did it
43:27how dangerous is Enrique arms and Enrique arms is dangerous like every other cartel member
43:32they have resources they can harm anybody they want Enrique was emerging as the kind of the heir apparent
43:39to his dad but unlike his father wasn't sheepish about his wealth he wanted to show others that he was
43:49a
43:49powerful man what was the source of his power money how did he arrive at that money through narcotics he
43:56was the stereotypical Godfather and that he was a dangerous man
44:03Enrique was a visionary they made a strategic decision to diversify into heroin cocaine and of
44:11course that meant that they need to establish even deeper links to Mexican cartels and other criminal
44:18organizations operating both in Canada and the United States they diversified they became more
44:26ruthless and it didn't matter who they harmed and what they had to do to satisfy their thirst
44:46my name is Johan Harms and my dad name is Abraham Harms and I'm here to set the record straight
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