00:00Talked about it earlier.
00:01I think because somebody brought up Joe Missoula sitting him
00:07and avoiding the anxiety.
00:08That was me.
00:08I was like, maybe would you do that?
00:11We got a text message saying, why is Wiggy babying these guys?
00:15I don't think it's babying somebody.
00:17No, I don't think it's.
00:17He had a traumatic injury and wondered about whether or not
00:20he was going to have his career going forward.
00:23Right.
00:23So I can understand.
00:25And that's why I said, if you're Missoula and you're like,
00:28maybe we can avoid New York in the playoffs
00:30and there's a chance we don't have to play there until next year.
00:33But, you know, Mego and Curtis both said, yeah,
00:36there's a good chance you might play him in the postseason.
00:38So I would say, hey, big dog, you'll be fine.
00:41I know it's probably what you're thinking about,
00:43but just go out there and do what you've been doing
00:44in these last 14 games.
00:46Try not to think about it.
00:47It's also one of the final steps really in his recovery.
00:50Yeah.
00:51Because if you remember the first one, him coming back
00:55and he looked not himself in the first half of the first game
00:59that he was back, you know, he was front rimming
01:02and missing shots and his lift didn't look like it was there.
01:06And then after that, and then he had this great second half.
01:08And after the game, he said so much of it was anxiety.
01:11Like he was so anxious going into that
01:15because he had thought about it so long.
01:16I won't be surprised if it's similar with going back to MSG
01:20and it's just something he's got to get over.
01:22He's proven that he can get over it and that he will.
01:26But I think it's just one of these things where it's like,
01:28it would be worse.
01:30It would be compounding it if you had him avoid it and avoid it.
01:33Like, so what?
01:34Then you're going to wait until next season when he comes back?
01:36Yeah, well, I think next season he'll be in a better –
01:38To MSG?
01:39Well, he'll be in a better mindset.
01:40Right now it's the juju in his mind.
01:43He got the negative juju.
01:44He's like, eh, you know what I mean?
01:45He's like, I'm going back to the scene of the crime.
01:48I'm going back to the place where it all happened.
01:50And, you know, that's probably, like, the biggest thing
01:53when it comes to, you know, to getting over stuff.
01:56And he's going back to that and he's like,
01:58oh, I wish there was a way to avoid it.
02:00And unfortunately he can't, but that's going to be his biggest anxiety.
02:04I still have anxiety when stepping over a puppy gate.
02:07Right?
02:07Right.
02:08Any puppy gate you probably see, you're probably like,
02:11oh, my God, you get breaking out in a cold sweat.
02:12It reminds me, though, kind of like, I don't know, maybe this is weird,
02:15but, like, if you've ever gotten in a car accident
02:18and then when you're driving by that stretch of road
02:21and you're like, oh, I hate this, like, this intersection or whatever.
02:27Because it's all that bad juju you think is going to come back.
02:30Yeah, and you're like, you just got to keep going through.
02:32And I give Tatum credit for being, I think, pretty honest
02:37about instead of being like, yeah, I can't wait to get back there.
02:41It's the next step in my progression.
02:43And I'm going to be like, I'm the big dog and this and that.
02:45He's like, I don't want to go back there.
02:48He's like, mommy, do we got to go back?
02:50He knows he's got to, but he's like, I don't want to do it.
02:54It was traumatic.
02:55Where do you rank his comeback from the injury when it comes to others?
03:0116th.
03:0415 before, list them.
03:06Well, see, I think in basketball, at least from recent history.
03:12Number one, Paul Pierce in the NBA Finals leaves on a wheelchair right back.
03:16Yeah, truly.
03:17Number two, Lamar Jackson leaves to go to the bathroom at halftime,
03:20comes right back.
03:21He would be.
03:21Paul Pierce came back after being stabbed.
03:24I mean, that's pretty.
03:25That was huge.
03:25And played all 82 games.
03:27Right.
03:28Pretty good.
03:28But that was really weird in the playoffs, in the NBA Finals.
03:31But I'm glad he came right back.
03:31I would say top five easily because he wasn't even an Achilles injury.
03:37We think of that injury to be one of the worst in all of sports.
03:41No matter what sport you play, it's the most difficult to come back from.
03:47It takes the longest amount of time to recover from.
03:50And he was back in less than a year to be playing at the level that he's playing.
03:57And that is, like, extremely impressive.
04:00I don't know if we've seen that in other sports in the sense of, like, you know,
04:04unless it was somebody had, like, such a, you know, like an Alex Smith gruesome injury.
04:08What about recent memory Aaron Rodgers?
04:11Like, he came back from the same thing.
04:13Yeah, but he, I think.
04:15Not at this level.
04:16Right.
04:16Yeah.
04:16He's not playing at an all-pro level.
04:18And his wife was really bothering him then.
04:21And he hurt himself week one, right?
04:24And then he was out the whole year.
04:26So, you know, I guess you could probably kind of, like, compare the two
04:30because Aaron Rodgers didn't miss a full season.
04:33Most people do miss a complete full season.
04:36So, to be able to not miss a full season and come back the following season
04:40and then play at the level he's playing at, it's extremely impressive.
04:45Do we just not include Brady because ACL feels so much more common now
04:49and because he was never hypermobile?
04:51I would say, I would say.
04:53Like, it wasn't such a big part of his game?
04:55I think it's a combination of both.
04:56But I feel like the ACL injuries, like, we've seen with Steph Diggs last year, right?
04:59He hurt it in October.
05:00He was back by week one.
05:02And we were like, man, this guy looks great.
05:03So, like Patrick Mahomes, now I'm starting to think, like,
05:07is there any question that Patrick Mahomes won't be ready for week one?
05:11Yeah, nobody really treats it that way.
05:13Right.
05:13So, you know, where if it's an Achilles.
05:15You doubted me when I said that.
05:17No, I did.
05:17When he first got hurt.
05:18Yeah, I did.
05:19But if it was Achilles, right, if Patrick Mahomes ruptured his Achilles,
05:24we'd probably be like, oh, he's not going to be back.
05:26What about baseball?
05:27You don't see many in baseball.
05:29You know what I mean?
05:30It's like the Tommy John guys, and that's about it.
05:32Yeah, and Tommy John.
05:32And that's just, like, part of being a pitcher now.
05:34Yeah.
05:35Great one on the Subaru of New England text line,
05:37which is LeBron James coming back from leg cramps.
05:40Yes.
05:41Remember that?
05:41That was inspiring.
05:43That was inspiring.
05:43Have we said showing yet or no?
05:44The bloody sock?
05:46I mean, that would be number one for me.
05:48Yeah.
05:49They basically used a cadaver to rewire his ankle in the biggest series in the history of Boston sports,
05:55and he's able to do it and then win another game in the World Series.
05:57Yeah, and, like, half sewed it up.
05:59Like, they didn't even get the whole thing stitched up.
06:00That Netflix series that they did a couple years ago was spectacular with the behind-the-scenes footage.
06:06Well, are we—I feel like we're talking about different things between recovering from a traumatic injury
06:10and playing through an injury for a championship.
06:14Because then you can start talking about Brady's hand, which was not open-heart surgery.
06:17Right, right.
06:18But once we saw the photos of the surgery that he had done on the hand just days before playing
06:23in a championship game,
06:25it was gnarly.
06:25How did Tom Brady not punch Bill Belichick in the face after that game?
06:30Fourth quarter comeback against the best—
06:31Well, it hurt the hand worse.
06:33Fourth quarter comeback against the best defense in the NFL, and that asshat goes,
06:38well, it was an open-heart surgery.
06:41God in heaven.
06:41Because Tom knew, like, you know, that was the great thing about Tom.
06:44He was like, this is who Bill is.
06:46About two months later, he goes, I don't know why I'm here.
06:48I don't know what we're doing.
06:49Well, yeah, I won't say two months, but that was probably—
06:51Yeah, that was the offseason of Butler where he went to that—
06:54Wasn't that the Jacksonville playoff run?
06:56Yeah, so they beat Jacksonville and lost to the Eagles, the Butler game.
06:59Oh, okay.
07:00All right, yeah.
07:01So, I mean, I think I agree with you, Meggo.
07:04If we're talking about season and then injuries and then people have come back from,
07:08I think that's a different conversation than what some guys have played through.
07:13Because you'll see the gruesome injuries.
07:15Was it the—
07:15Oh, what about Bergeron with the collapsed lung?
07:17Yeah.
07:18Yeah, I mean—
07:19Dale's still recovering.
07:20But we didn't know about—I mean, you know, in hockey, we don't know about the injuries
07:23until after you lose in the postseason.
07:24The chara, broken jaw?
07:25Yeah, that's what I thought of immediately.
07:27Dale's—I mean, Ordway, great drop on that.
07:29The Paul George injury.
07:31That was gruesome.
07:32And on Meggo's side of the street, that hockey just gets treated a little bit nicer.
07:35Like, could you imagine if after every Patriots or Red Sox or Celtics season,
07:39they list 16 injuries they never brought up once?
07:42Right.
07:42That's what happens every year in the NHL.
07:44That's it.
07:45He had a ruptured spleen.
07:47Yeah.
07:48He played—I mean, he literally played with one lung.
07:50But that's a warrior right there.
07:52Yeah, the warrior.
07:53True warrior.
07:54Yeah.
07:54All right.
07:54All right.
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