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00:04:36Do you have a sense that in the music business and maybe in lots of other kind of cultural stuff
00:04:43that people get very big, unusually big, unusually quickly, but then that it just kind of goes very quickly as
00:04:54well?
00:04:55Is there a sense of that or is there a fear of that in what you're doing?
00:05:00I've never had a song that's all over every radio station in America.
00:05:05I've never had like a global hit, really, you know, and I've had songs that some people might know and
00:05:10they might be big-ish, but never that scary viral moment, you know, which is something I could kind of
00:05:18yearn for.
00:05:19But at the same time, it's sort of made it more of a slog for me touring-wise and stuff,
00:05:24and it's been more of a step by step.
00:05:26Do you know the way an awful lot of people go from here to here very quickly?
00:05:28Yeah.
00:05:28I've kind of done everything in between, I think, and so it just lays this lovely foundation where if I
00:05:37were to have a huge song tomorrow and then, like you said, it happens and then it all goes away,
00:05:41that foundation would still be there, I like to think, you know?
00:05:43I think when that happens, potentially artists haven't necessarily had the journey to that foundation that's there.
00:05:48Totally, yeah, yeah.
00:05:49Can you be a bit of a tit on tour?
00:05:52Me?
00:05:52Yeah.
00:05:53No, but like, no, I don't think so, but I like, you see, it's tricky.
00:05:59You're sort of faced with certain tricky things because I've always been so determined for it to feel like a
00:06:07band and for it to feel like everybody looks after each other and da-da-da, which gets harder as
00:06:11you go from 10 people to 30 and then 50 and to some degree you have to let go, do
00:06:16you know?
00:06:17But I think, I think it's like, sometimes you have to just be realistic and think like, no, this is,
00:06:24I guess this is a solo artist project, do you know?
00:06:27And you can't always be like, guys, we're a band, aren't we?
00:06:30Because, you know, ultimately when it comes down to it, it's not, it's under my name.
00:06:33And I do an awful lot of the heavy lifting and all that sort of stuff, but also I get
00:06:37the praise and my name is on the thing.
00:06:38So you just have to be realistic, I think.
00:06:40And in terms of, like, if you're going into a band situation, and it's the difference between going, I want,
00:06:52and then I want, and how about, as opposed to, what do you think?
00:06:57What would you like to do?
00:06:57Oh, I couldn't, yeah.
00:06:59And we do have a lovely sort of democratic thing and everybody's very invested and all that sort of stuff,
00:07:03but, yeah, I wouldn't, I don't think I would do very well if I was kind of like, are you
00:07:07guys okay with this?
00:07:07Democracy of, it's not you two.
00:07:10No.
00:07:10Which, they tell us, is a democracy.
00:07:14Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:07:18Tell us about growing up in Kildare.
00:07:21Well, growing up in Dublin, but cycling into Kildare regularly, yeah.
00:07:25So where did you go to school then?
00:07:26I went to school in Rathcool.
00:07:27It's called Tronon, yeah.
00:07:30So, in primary school and then in Rathcool as well for secondary school.
00:07:33But, like, it's very idyllic.
00:07:35I do, I write about it an awful lot.
00:07:37Essentially, where I grew up and where I live now is very remote and feels like the middle of nowhere.
00:07:42And the magic bit was two of my best friends, Niall and Roe, lived that side of the hill and
00:07:49that side of the hill.
00:07:50So it was just constantly in each other's houses.
00:07:52I was class.
00:07:53I'm very lucky.
00:07:53You know, I think about it, you know, like at that age, such a crucial time in your life and
00:07:57took an awful lot for granted.
00:07:58And I think about my friendships being that solid and, you know, huge part of who I am now, I
00:08:04would say.
00:08:04Do you think that becoming very well known, in a way, puts a barrier between you and people you knew
00:08:09growing up?
00:08:10No, it's the exact same.
00:08:13Like, like, truly, I'm lucky enough to, like, I don't know if this makes sense, but, you know, when, say,
00:08:21obviously, being, doing what I do is very social and you bump into people an awful lot.
00:08:25And there's a ton of people you'd say, that's my friend and that's my friend, but then at home, you're
00:08:30like, no, those are my friends.
00:08:31That's, those are my, like, friends from when I was a child.
00:08:34So I know it's a sort of cliche thing, but it is true.
00:08:36You know it very well.
00:08:37It's just like when you go out and you perform in a room to thousands of people and it's this
00:08:42euphoric thing.
00:08:43And it's like, all right, go to bed on the bus because you have to do it again tomorrow.
00:08:47You know, it's quite strange.
00:08:48It's made those tears very clear to me.
00:08:51You know, like I could hang out with someone five times and we could call each other friends, but it's
00:08:53not that thing, you know.
00:08:55And I think that was solid enough before I had a career in music that it stayed the same.
00:09:00And I don't know, the lads maybe would tell you different and they would say I've changed, but I would
00:09:03hope not, you know.
00:09:04It feels the same.
00:09:05So that's good.
00:09:06What's the physical feeling of euphoria on stage?
00:09:12It's like little moments where it shows up.
00:09:14Okay, what's going on in your body?
00:09:16Can you tell me?
00:09:18Physically, how does it feel?
00:09:21Physically, physically I feel all right.
00:09:22It's not like a racing heart or anything.
00:09:24It's just, it's generally, it's just playback of my life.
00:09:29And I'm just kind of thinking like, wow, like it did work out, you know.
00:09:33Like, I really do.
00:09:35Like, say for example, when I played Marley Park a few years ago, I went to like a B stage
00:09:40like this with a piano on it.
00:09:41And there was a young guy out in the crowd and his dad put him up on his shoulders and
00:09:46he had a Crumlin jersey on.
00:09:47And I'd say he was about eight or nine years old, but that was the football team I used to
00:09:49play for.
00:09:50And I was like, oh man, the connection to me and you is just immediate.
00:09:54And yeah, so little things.
00:09:55I think I mean more about, we'll say, when I saw you singing some of the Cranberry songs.
00:10:04And what looks like a euphoric moment from the punter's point of view, we'll say, when the crowd starts singing
00:10:12back zombie or whatever,
00:10:15and you're on the stage and you're the kind of ringmaster and all that energy is, is because you've said
00:10:23those words.
00:10:24I'm curious, that physical feeling, like what's happening in your body when that's going on?
00:10:28Not tons, honestly.
00:10:29And I don't mean to sound like I'm dead out there, but I just mean like, for me, it's all...
00:10:36Yeah, no, but I mean like, in my mind, yeah.
00:10:40All the sort of emotion in the world.
00:10:42But in my body, to be honest, like, it's a more boring conversation, but in my body, I'm constantly focused
00:10:48on, is my breath here?
00:10:49Oh, yeah, yeah, okay, great.
00:10:51I'm getting, I understand now, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:10:54My breath, my breath is always here.
00:10:56I'm trying to keep all tension away from here.
00:10:59And even like, not sort of even move my mouth too much.
00:11:02I sing in such a way that's very demanding.
00:11:06And it comes from playing in the street, because when I played in the street, I was trying to be
00:11:09as loud as I could.
00:11:10Okay.
00:11:10And I think I've carried that insecurity and energy into my career now.
00:11:14And so I sing in such a way that I'm pushing the whole time.
00:11:17And I guess, with the Cranberries in particular, the songs are still in Dolores' register.
00:11:21Yeah, yeah.
00:11:21So I'm trying to sort of reach those notes.
00:11:25And so, yeah, like, not a fun or powerful thing, but I'm constantly checking my body.
00:11:30Because I've had trouble sometimes.
00:11:33Of this kind of constricting a little bit or something?
00:11:35Yeah, and the vocal cords were fine.
00:11:37I had to cancel like six weeks of gigs.
00:11:39Because I thought I was really, really doing proper damage.
00:11:42And, but what happened was, I was watching all these singers like Springsteen and Glenn Hansen and all this stuff,
00:11:49push and give so much emotion in it.
00:11:51And I wanted to be like that, but I was doing it with zero technique.
00:11:54And so I got to a point where I was sort of literally strangling myself when I was singing, do
00:11:59you know?
00:11:59So I couldn't, my, my, I was at this tone the whole time.
00:12:03I couldn't get above it.
00:12:04And so I thought I was, briefly I kind of had a freaker and thought I was donezo.
00:12:08And then there was a fellow in France told me I had to get surgery and all this sort of
00:12:10stuff.
00:12:10But I, you just, if you have the right technique and your breath is down here, I could alleviate all
00:12:15that, yeah.
00:12:15I mean, I would have had that with the stand-up as well of, there's something very comfortable about shouting.
00:12:22Right, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:12:23You know what I mean?
00:12:23There's just something and you can, you can play with tempo and pause and, you know, all that.
00:12:30But there's just something very, maybe vulnerable about speaking in your normal register.
00:12:36Oh, I can't imagine, yeah.
00:12:38And do, do you trust most of the people that you meet in the music business?
00:12:42Uh, not necessarily, but I don't, you know.
00:12:46Are there sharks out there?
00:12:47I'm sure there are.
00:12:48I don't know if I've encountered any.
00:12:49I don't think so.
00:12:50Um, I have no doubt there are.
00:12:52Do you have a hard edge?
00:12:55As a person or as a, in my career?
00:12:58Yeah, I would say so, yeah.
00:12:59I think you have to.
00:13:00I do.
00:13:01Um, and whether it's on show or not, I feel like it's quite a private thing.
00:13:06But, like, yeah, I think so.
00:13:08I would say so.
00:13:09I don't know how it kind of shows its face, but I would like to think so.
00:13:11But just to be, to know what you want to try.
00:13:16I'm not sure people can ever know what they are or who they are,
00:13:18but know what you want to try and know, have a sense of what suits you.
00:13:23Always be open for surprises, but have a sense of, no, I'm not doing it like that.
00:13:26Uh, yeah, I would say the answer to that question now is yes.
00:13:29But I would say I'm awful for putting too much trust in.
00:13:39Like, if someone is loud, I'll be like, okay, cool.
00:13:41You know what, like, you know what we should be doing.
00:13:43I mean, not in that stupid way, but if someone is like, if someone is like, I love the drums,
00:13:48I'll be like, all right, cool.
00:13:49Not in a careless way.
00:13:51Do you know what I mean?
00:13:51I feel like, I feel like I'm kind of sort of easily led a little bit.
00:13:57And I think it's taken me this long where I'll be in a room and I'll be like, no, I
00:14:01actually don't like that.
00:14:01So let's do it like this and da-da-da.
00:14:03Yeah.
00:14:04And also for me, you know, like I could look back and be like, shite, if I was more aggro
00:14:08five years ago,
00:14:09maybe I'd be, it's a waste of time.
00:14:11You can, like, I'm trying my best, you know what I mean?
00:14:13Yeah.
00:14:14In terms of your personal life, has it been weird becoming famous?
00:14:20Uh-oh.
00:14:23No, I swear to God.
00:14:23Like, I live in the middle of nowhere.
00:14:26I don't come into town much.
00:14:28And if I leave the country, and if I leave the country, I can kind of go wherever I like,
00:14:33you know?
00:14:33Like, if I'm walking through London, I might bump into two people who kind of say, I like your music.
00:14:38It's never weird.
00:14:39Touch wood.
00:14:40That's what I'm saying about, like, talking about having huge songs and a huge career.
00:14:43It's like, maybe it's a, maybe it's a sweet spot where I'm at, you know?
00:14:48Um, where in the middle of nowhere do you live?
00:14:50Like, what county?
00:14:51It is Dublin.
00:14:53Barely.
00:14:53It's sort of like Dublin, Kildare, Wicklow.
00:14:55And what do you like about it?
00:14:57Like, I don't know.
00:14:57I've been in, like, my favourite sort of book I ever came across when I was a kid was The
00:15:00Hobbit.
00:15:00And I was just like, oh, man, I want to live in that.
00:15:02Yeah.
00:15:03And then to some degree, I kind of felt like I did a bit, you know?
00:15:05And the forest was there.
00:15:07And, like, the forest was there.
00:15:10Did you design the house you're living in?
00:15:12No.
00:15:14Did you decorate it?
00:15:15It's about to be renovated.
00:15:17What kind of stuff are you doing to the house?
00:15:19It's not these doors.
00:15:21No, it's not.
00:15:22No.
00:15:23I wish.
00:15:25No, but, you know, as Hobbit easy you can get it.
00:15:27Within the planning permission, sort of.
00:15:31So, describe it to me.
00:15:33Tell me what you're doing to the house.
00:15:34What it will look like.
00:15:35Yeah, yeah.
00:15:35We're essentially keeping one wall, knocking it.
00:15:37It's, I would like to think it's modest and it's stone and I just want it to be cosy.
00:15:42That's all I care about, yeah.
00:15:43Okay, cosy.
00:15:44So, you've put aside an amount of money for the thing.
00:15:49What do you want in the house?
00:15:52Oh, I would like, if I was sort of like ticking dream things off, I definitely need a room with
00:16:00sort of the biggest TV on earth and a PlayStation.
00:16:03Yeah, that is a thing.
00:16:04Definitely.
00:16:05Definitely.
00:16:05It's the only thing that, like, yeah, I get lost within games.
00:16:11Yeah, I've never played them now.
00:16:13So, what, are you, like, are you killing people or are you?
00:16:15You are, but it's not difficult at all.
00:16:19I can't.
00:16:20When people talk about Call of Duty and all these games, I get so stressed.
00:16:24If you turn a corner and there's a fella just like right there, that, I can't.
00:16:27So, it's, I would play Assassin's Creed an awful lot and one of them is based in Florence.
00:16:32So, you're essentially just wandering through Florence.
00:16:34It's lovely.
00:16:34It's lovely.
00:16:35Just.
00:16:36No, not like that.
00:16:37Not like that.
00:16:38It's from, like, it's from around Medici times.
00:16:41So, yeah.
00:16:41Okay, so you're stabbing people.
00:16:43It's more stabbing.
00:16:43Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:16:50But it's amazing because there's all these historical things.
00:16:52Like, one of the Medici's was killed coming out of mass.
00:16:56And so, the history is rewritten.
00:16:57So, that's you doing it.
00:16:59You kind of wander up to him.
00:17:00And there's a little knife in here and you're just, yeah, yeah.
00:17:05Yeah.
00:17:06And then you escape.
00:17:07Yeah.
00:17:08So.
00:17:08So, yeah.
00:17:09So, you're not carrying any aggression from the music business.
00:17:12Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:17:15The guy's facilitating all the art in Florence.
00:17:17Just.
00:17:18Spending all day stabbing.
00:17:20Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:17:21So, what else is in the house?
00:17:23In the dream house?
00:17:25A piano, I guess.
00:17:27Have to.
00:17:29Like, do you drink wine?
00:17:32No, I drink whiskey.
00:17:33Oh, good man.
00:17:34Good man.
00:17:35Yeah, no, I actually couldn't care about wine at all.
00:17:38Yeah.
00:17:38It doesn't do it for me at all.
00:17:39So, it's one of those things you could show me the nicest wine in the world versus the
00:17:43shitty one and I would not know.
00:17:45Yeah.
00:17:45Whiskey, I do like.
00:17:46Whiskey would be there.
00:17:47A lovely cooking situation.
00:17:49I do like to cook.
00:17:49I think I'm, that's a classic sort of musician thing, isn't it?
00:17:52Being like, I can focus and get one thing done.
00:17:54I think so.
00:17:55In terms of cooking?
00:17:56Yeah, like it calms you down a bit.
00:17:57Because you actually achieve something that you can look at.
00:17:59Especially if you spend all the morning stabbing for some of the Florence.
00:18:01Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:18:02But music is this thing you're just going to like, I think it was okay.
00:18:05At least if you cook something, you're like, okay, brilliant.
00:18:06Yeah.
00:18:09What's the, what's the rest of the year look like for you in terms of travel and all that?
00:18:13Yeah, a good few shows.
00:18:16Yeah, tours, we'll do Europe and UK.
00:18:20Do the shows in the Aviva in the summer.
00:18:23Do America in the autumn and then Australia.
00:18:26And then a ton of stuff in between, you know, like.
00:18:28Oh, yeah, because I was thinking there's a lot of space in between.
00:18:30Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:18:32All those things and a ton of stuff in between.
00:18:34Well, a ton of stuff in between, I mean, like, chatting to you, doing like, stuff like this.
00:18:38Do you know, there's always stuff popping up, so.
00:18:40Yeah.
00:18:40And then I have to make music in the meantime, so.
00:18:43Are you going to sing for us later?
00:18:45Yes, exactly.
00:18:45Can you tell us about the song and.
00:18:49Yeah, how you came up with this and.
00:18:50Yes.
00:18:50It's a song called Refuge.
00:18:52Refuge felt like a nice word for it.
00:18:53And I think like it was quite an easy one to write and it was in Nashville.
00:19:01And to be honest, it was one of my first experiences of everybody being in the room recording it,
00:19:06as opposed to like you do the guitar, then we'll come back and assess it and do drums.
00:19:09It felt it felt really kind of cohesive and quite live and stuff like that.
00:19:14So it came together quite easily.
00:19:15And yeah, doing it with the orchestra.
00:19:18Thanks for coming on the show, Dermot, and a pleasure to meet you.
00:19:22Appreciate it.
00:19:22And have a yap with you.
00:19:23It's a good chat.
00:19:24Fair play.
00:19:24Nice one, thank you.
00:19:25Fair play.
00:19:25Thanks, Tommy.
00:19:40Welcome back to the second half, everybody.
00:19:43Who's next, Freddie?
00:19:43Tommy, our next guests are Aoife and Lisa O'Rourke.
00:19:53Hello.
00:19:56Hi, Tommy.
00:19:57How are you?
00:19:57I'm Lisa.
00:19:58Lisa and Aoife.
00:20:00Hi tommy.
00:20:00How are you?
00:20:00Great yeah.
00:20:02You look like athletes.
00:20:04Good guess.
00:20:05Are you?
00:20:06Yeah, we are.
00:20:07Yeah, well, yeah.
00:20:08We do have a daß on this.
00:20:09Try, say, we do act of.
00:20:11What's your story?
00:20:36¿Cómo hablamos?
00:20:44I don't know, maybe from the medals in the Worlds, we both won silver medals in Serbia last year at
00:20:52the World Championships and we were one fight after each other, you were in ahead of me and then I
00:20:59was just, when they were announcing the result for Lisa, I was getting ready to walk into the ring afterwards.
00:21:04Are you the same weight division?
00:21:05No, Jesus, no, thank God, because Mam wouldn't allow that. We'd have to fight each other, it'd be only like
00:21:11one spot. Ireland can only bring like one person to each major competition at each weight category, so we're avoiding
00:21:21each other.
00:21:22Was there boxing in the family as you were growing up? Like was Mam or Dad interested in it?
00:21:26No, definitely not. There's five girls.
00:21:29Yeah, five girls in the house.
00:21:30We probably got a bit of fighting skills growing up, battling our way with four sisters.
00:21:36It mostly kind of started off, Aoife went in, her friends are doing it, and went in for the fitness
00:21:42for Gaelic football and then she stuck at it for probably a year or that and I was like, you're
00:21:49daft, like what are you at?
00:21:51No, this isn't for girls and Mam and them were all agreeing and she kept going and then she kept
00:21:57egging me on and then eventually I went in and just fell in love with it and she was right
00:22:04all along.
00:22:05The fitness thing is severe, like of all the sports I've come across in terms of getting fit, boxing will
00:22:12do it for you probably quicker than a lot of other sports.
00:22:15It's very high intensity, yeah.
00:22:17And then it's the impact side of it.
00:22:20Yeah.
00:22:20So what was that like the first time to get hit?
00:22:25Strange.
00:22:25I'd say we were used to that though from growing up, like we used to tear pieces out of each
00:22:31other.
00:22:31Who took each other's clothes and everything, like a house of five women, like you just don't know what you're
00:22:38dealing with.
00:22:39You learn your survival skills.
00:22:40Yeah, but imagine a bit of wrestling or hair pulling, I'm not imagining a punch to the nose and stuff.
00:22:45Literally.
00:22:47I don't know.
00:22:49I do remember when I first ever was in the ring that like any time a punch was coming at
00:22:54me and I would just laugh.
00:22:55I don't know, is that just the way I was dealing with the nerves or what?
00:22:59But like, I just remember finding it all hilarious, being like, why am I in a ring?
00:23:04Like literally a square, like trying to bait someone and somebody else is coming at me.
00:23:09It just doesn't make sense and to this day it actually doesn't make sense to me.
00:23:12But yeah, I just keep going back for more, so I don't know, it doesn't make sense to any of
00:23:17us.
00:23:17What part of Roscommon are you?
00:23:18Castleery.
00:23:19It's like 20 minutes from the...
00:23:21Where the prison is.
00:23:22Yeah, that's how everyone says that.
00:23:24We don't say it, we try not to be the first one to say it.
00:23:28But yeah, where the prison is.
00:23:29And Ming?
00:23:29Is he Castleery?
00:23:31We're all from that side of the country.
00:23:33Yeah, yeah.
00:23:33I know we're out in a lovely little now, five minutes outside the town, Tarman.
00:23:39So Tarman, yeah, that's where we come from.
00:23:41We're farming background, loads of sheep and cattle.
00:23:44So if you have a few hours free, we're in the hype of lambing right now.
00:23:49There's plenty of work.
00:23:50Yeah, the more hands the better.
00:23:52I pay for the period to beat me up now before I do go lambing.
00:23:56You'll have to come down.
00:23:57And what is lambing?
00:24:00The young lambs outside.
00:24:02The sheep.
00:24:03The bah.
00:24:03Yeah, I know what lambs are.
00:24:06But it's lambing just kind of...
00:24:07Newborns, newborns.
00:24:08Pulling them out of sheep.
00:24:09Yeah.
00:24:09So that's happening now and they'll be working around the clock.
00:24:14So they're getting up every two, three hours during the night checking on them.
00:24:18And it's...
00:24:19You don't need an alarm clock around our place anyways.
00:24:22Yeah, they're singing.
00:24:23They're the choir.
00:24:24They're the local choir.
00:24:26We have a radio on in the shed for them.
00:24:28And yeah.
00:24:29No, we actually invested in the radio this year because they do give you a headache and you
00:24:35just...
00:24:35If you have something else going, RT1, it's better than hearing ba-ba black sheep every two seconds.
00:24:43You're talking about the yo's in pain giving birth.
00:24:45You're talking about the lambs after they're born.
00:24:47They're not, no.
00:24:48The yo's are the ones singing.
00:24:49Yeah.
00:24:50They never stop.
00:24:51They never...
00:24:51Because they're looking for their notes.
00:24:52They're in labour.
00:24:53They're not singing.
00:24:54No, they're not at all.
00:24:55They're all in the shed getting ready and whenever their moment is, they're ready.
00:25:00But they're all just looking for feed.
00:25:02Like they've silage in front of them.
00:25:05So they're...
00:25:06They're haying that.
00:25:08But they're fine.
00:25:09It's like getting sweets.
00:25:10When we're a young child and you see the packet of sweets, you're like,
00:25:13Mammy, can I have one?
00:25:15Can I have one?
00:25:15So they're like, can I have more?
00:25:17Can I have more?
00:25:18But, yeah.
00:25:19And the radio just seems to have mellowed them a bit.
00:25:21It's great crack.
00:25:21We did.
00:25:22We've...
00:25:23I suppose we're the two out of the house, out of the five girls that have been most out on
00:25:27the farm and just getting our hands stuck in and that's probably...
00:25:31Yeah.
00:25:32Oh, yeah.
00:25:33We...
00:25:33Like there was probably dirt underneath these fingernails yesterday and we had to scrub
00:25:38up that.
00:25:39Scrub with a nail brush.
00:25:40But, no, we've always had probably gotten a challenge slide out of us when we were...
00:25:47It was a matter of scraping the shed.
00:25:49Who could scrape the shed the fastest?
00:25:51She'd be on the left, I'd be on the right.
00:25:53Or doing it faster than daddy or...
00:25:55Being competitive.
00:25:55Who could carry the more cans of me?
00:25:58Like, it was just...
00:25:59I think the physical strength as well, like from doing that growing up has contributed
00:26:05to us in sport as well, so...
00:26:08Well, Scotland has a reputation for being a kind of a conservative county, doesn't it?
00:26:11It kind of votes no in every referendum.
00:26:13It has no heed to be honest.
00:26:16I think it was when they did the gay marriage, the something else and the something else...
00:26:23I shouldn't.
00:26:24They liked to be different.
00:26:25The only place in the country they both were like, no!
00:26:28Everything was just common.
00:26:30Erm...
00:26:31Is there the opportunity to earn a living from boxing?
00:26:35Erm...
00:26:35At the moment we're both funded athletes, erm...
00:26:38With Sport Ireland.
00:26:40And that's kind of like on a yearly basis.
00:26:43Literally depends how you've got on the previous year.
00:26:46But erm...
00:26:47I...
00:26:47We both genuinely love being athletes, so...
00:26:50As long as we can continue this, erm...
00:26:52We'll be happy out.
00:26:53And what happened at the...
00:26:55Was it the recent World Championships that you were at?
00:26:58Erm...
00:26:58We were both at the World Championships in...
00:27:01Serbia last May.
00:27:03Or April, was it?
00:27:04March.
00:27:05Last March.
00:27:06No, last March, I think.
00:27:08Last March, yeah.
00:27:09And we both got silver medals there.
00:27:11Which was...
00:27:11We were the first ever sisters to be in World Finals on the same day, erm...
00:27:17In boxing.
00:27:19And...
00:27:19Yeah.
00:27:20We both took home silver, and to be honest, it was...
00:27:23It was a real special moment, like...
00:27:26I think that day we were just...
00:27:29Obviously we cared about the gold medal, we wanted the gold medal, but...
00:27:32We just couldn't get over, the two of us were waking up to go to the weigh-in...
00:27:36To...
00:27:37To compete in a World Championship final together, like...
00:27:40That was our goal, getting to the final, and...
00:27:42It was nearly the gold medal...
00:27:44Being there together, and...
00:27:46We were like, at that stage, if we brought home silver or gold, we were...
00:27:50We were...
00:27:51Or both had outdone ourselves, and really happy.
00:27:54So, erm...
00:27:55Yeah.
00:27:56Erm...
00:27:56That was a real special moment, and then...
00:27:58Going on to...
00:28:01September?
00:28:01September, Aoife became world champion.
00:28:06Erm...
00:28:06In...
00:28:07Yeah, this year.
00:28:07In Liverpool, we had the World Championships.
00:28:11Erm...
00:28:11And yeah, went on, had a good competition there, I suppose.
00:28:14Yeah.
00:28:14Lisa also won the World Championships in 2022, so...
00:28:19Erm...
00:28:19Yeah, I was probably chasing what she had already won.
00:28:23What...
00:28:23What have you found strange about the world of international boxing?
00:28:28That she'd come to some kips of spots.
00:28:31Oh my God, like...
00:28:33We've travelled the world, but...
00:28:36Yeah.
00:28:36People think, like, we're off living our best lives, and...
00:28:39I'm like, jeez, have you only seen, lads, what the...
00:28:41There's toilets like it, or the room, or whatever, the food.
00:28:45So, what's the worst place you've been to then?
00:28:48Oh...
00:28:48Either that Turkey camp, or...
00:28:50Serbia.
00:28:51Serbia was bad as well, there was a...
00:28:53I don't know, should I be saying this?
00:28:55There was...
00:28:56The roof was leaking in the hotel, there was buckets, we were training around.
00:29:00Yeah, like, it was...
00:29:01Then we'd go to the venue, we'd walk over a railway track.
00:29:05No word of a lie.
00:29:06Look left, look right.
00:29:07It's a little train.
00:29:08Go, lads.
00:29:09Run!
00:29:10Run!
00:29:10Put the head down.
00:29:11You had the warm-up done before the fight.
00:29:13Put the head down.
00:29:14Yeah, like, walk into a world championship final, and you had to cross the tree.
00:29:19Honestly, you couldn't write it, like, but...
00:29:22These are the memories.
00:29:23They're all memories, yeah.
00:29:24Like, we've had some fantastic memories, and you just...
00:29:28And we wouldn't have been on a plane only for boxing, because...
00:29:31Seven of us at home, we weren't going too far, so...
00:29:34Yeah.
00:29:35There was no family holidays, and when you have a farm as well, there's a...
00:29:38Yeah, it's...
00:29:39Not too often we get us all abroad, so...
00:29:41Erm, the toughest...
00:29:43Country to fight against?
00:29:47Mine was probably my world final...
00:29:51Erm...
00:29:53Against...
00:29:53What was...
00:29:54What was it called?
00:29:56Oh, jeez.
00:29:57It's...
00:29:58It's one of them ones...
00:29:59Stop!
00:30:01She didn't box in the final at all?
00:30:06I don't know who you boxed!
00:30:08Get the box!
00:30:12I can picture her, I just can't see her!
00:30:17Oh, stop!
00:30:18Honestly, European countries are very tough, though.
00:30:20They're up there, like...
00:30:21They all are at international...
00:30:24Yeah, look, you wouldn't be representing your country if you're not...
00:30:27You've been hitting...
00:30:27Hitting the head a good bit, like...
00:30:29I've...
00:30:30I've watched them a good question!
00:30:31She's got ghosts all the time!
00:30:34Oh, Jesus, lads!
00:30:37Erm...
00:30:38Like, was she Chinese or Mongolian or Russian or...
00:30:41One of them, Azerbaijan or...
00:30:44No...
00:30:44Begins with Z, did it?
00:30:47Zaire?
00:30:48No...
00:30:48Zambia?
00:30:48Oh, jeez...
00:30:50This is gonna annoy me now!
00:30:51Was that like...
00:30:53No...
00:30:54Go on, we'll be here for the night!
00:30:59I'll come back to you!
00:31:00It will, it will!
00:31:01Later, yeah, yeah, yeah!
00:31:01I'll come out with this random word now in about five minutes!
00:31:04Zaire!
00:31:06Wow!
00:31:08Do you have long in the sport, do you think?
00:31:11Er...
00:31:12What...
00:31:12What age...
00:31:13What age do I look?
00:31:15You're both in your early thirties, are you?
00:31:16Oh, Jesus Christ!
00:31:18Come on, how's she here?
00:31:21We'll give you another guess now!
00:31:26You're both very young, like...
00:31:29You're...
00:31:30You might still be a teenager...
00:31:32And...
00:31:33You're...
00:31:3421, maybe?
00:31:35Oh, yeah!
00:31:36We'll take that!
00:31:37You're...
00:31:37You're getting told you're the older one tonight!
00:31:39Every time!
00:31:40I'm...
00:31:41I'm 23!
00:31:42Yeah!
00:31:43And she's 28!
00:31:45I'm hanging up the gloves every year!
00:31:46Every competition you see me at!
00:31:48I'm telling you, that's it!
00:31:49Not coming back!
00:31:51But, yeah!
00:31:51Here I am!
00:31:52So what's the...
00:31:55Opportunity to go professional, then?
00:31:56Or does that exist?
00:31:58It does, er...
00:31:59But...
00:31:59If you go professional, you can't...
00:32:02Er...
00:32:03Be an amateur and go to the Olympics!
00:32:05Erm...
00:32:05So...
00:32:06If the Olympics is...
00:32:08In...
00:32:09Your radar, then...
00:32:10Going professional...
00:32:11Isn't really an option!
00:32:13Unless you're...
00:32:15You're...
00:32:16You're kind of...
00:32:16Going off that path!
00:32:17So the Olympics are...
00:32:19Every four years...
00:32:20Is it...
00:32:21This year or next year?
00:32:22No, it's 2028!
00:32:23Two years!
00:32:25Two years!
00:32:25It's in two years time!
00:32:26Yeah!
00:32:26She went to Tokyo and Paris!
00:32:29And...
00:32:29I competed in...
00:32:31Tokyo and Paris, yeah!
00:32:32And what happened there?
00:32:33Erm...
00:32:35I said...
00:32:36I wouldn't bother going any further in the competition!
00:32:39No, I...
00:32:40In Tokyo, I boxed against...
00:32:42China!
00:32:43And I lost that in the last 16!
00:32:45Erm...
00:32:46So then you're...
00:32:46In boxing, once you lose, you're out of the competition!
00:32:49There's no, like...
00:32:50Back door, you know, to get in!
00:32:51And...
00:32:52And then in Paris, I met...
00:32:54Poland in...
00:32:55Last 16, was it?
00:32:57I think so, yeah!
00:32:57Probably was!
00:32:59And...
00:32:59Lost that, so...
00:33:00Yeah!
00:33:01Didn't...
00:33:01Didn't go the way I had planned, but...
00:33:03So would you be there or thereabouts for...
00:33:05The medals in...
00:33:06It's in LA, isn't it?
00:33:07The next Olympics?
00:33:08Er... yeah!
00:33:08I'm not trying to look too far ahead, I think...
00:33:11All about enjoying the journey and...
00:33:13Literally, not getting so far ahead of yourself that you're only thinking about an Olympic gold medal or whatever it
00:33:19is...
00:33:21Erm...
00:33:21One competition at a time, one training block at a time...
00:33:24And...
00:33:25Look at...
00:33:25If I get to LA...
00:33:27Amazing!
00:33:28And if this girl is by my side, two sisters going to the next Olympics, it would be incredible!
00:33:33But...
00:33:34I just want to get there with a smile on my face and...
00:33:37If success comes with that, great!
00:33:39But if not...
00:33:40You know, there's more to life, too, than sport!
00:33:43What other things do you do?
00:33:46More sport!
00:33:47More sport, yeah!
00:33:49Erm...
00:33:49Yeah, we do higher ox, have you heard of that?
00:33:51Yeah!
00:33:52Yeah!
00:33:52Yeah, we're pretty much like that, too!
00:33:54We've won the worlds at that, too!
00:33:58We're a team for that now, we're pros!
00:34:01Or...
00:34:01I mean, we're pro doubles!
00:34:03Well...
00:34:04We won't say we're pros!
00:34:07We went to the World Championships in Chicago, in June, last year.
00:34:12And...
00:34:13Look, we were going there...
00:34:15And, like, we told...
00:34:15We brought our...
00:34:16Our mum and dad came in, like...
00:34:17We never really went abroad with them before, and we were like...
00:34:20Like, look at this, it's only a bit of fun.
00:34:21Like, no expectations, no nothing.
00:34:23And...
00:34:24And...
00:34:24We just ended up winning it, and we...
00:34:27I suppose it's probably the competitiveness that came out in us.
00:34:30We got...
00:34:30It was all fun and games in the warm-up, and then...
00:34:32Get to the start line with this one, and it's like...
00:34:35Three, two, one, head down!
00:34:37Yeah, and we just...
00:34:39We just kept running, really, and doing the stations as fast as we could, and...
00:34:44Next thing we knew, we were over the line, and...
00:34:46They gave us the big thing to...
00:34:47You know, the...
00:34:48Yeah.
00:34:48What do you call them?
00:34:49The Bowron.
00:34:52You know, when you announced you were a world champion?
00:34:55No, it was...
00:34:55It was class, to be fair.
00:34:57It was just...
00:34:58It was our first time in the US, and...
00:35:00With mum and dad there as well, and...
00:35:02That's...
00:35:03That's extreme fitness.
00:35:05It is.
00:35:05The high rocks thing.
00:35:06That is...
00:35:07It is.
00:35:07That's like the...
00:35:08Boxing is high intensity, but so is the...
00:35:11Nine minutes.
00:35:11It's nine minutes.
00:35:12Short and sweet.
00:35:13Whereas this is an hour.
00:35:15And now we're ten on a bad day, like...
00:35:20So...
00:35:20But it's for everyone, and like...
00:35:22The race can take you an hour, or it can take you two or three hours.
00:35:25You know, you just keep going until you have it done at your own pace, and...
00:35:29The quicker you do, the better, but...
00:35:31Are any of the sisters not interested at all in fitness?
00:35:36Er...
00:35:36Not like we are.
00:35:38Yeah, but...
00:35:39We once...
00:35:40The sister between us, Ayla, she does a bit of rugby now.
00:35:43And...
00:35:44The two eldest girls are in Australia, and...
00:35:47Look at...
00:35:48They go to the gym, but they wouldn't be...
00:35:50Not an object, I suppose.
00:35:52Maybe a bit of...
00:35:53Something a bit more...
00:35:55Yeah, yeah.
00:35:55Slowed down, yeah.
00:35:57But...
00:35:57They're all a bit more ladylike, and...
00:36:00Yeah.
00:36:00Yeah.
00:36:00And is...
00:36:01Is the...
00:36:01Is the great unsaid thing between you, or are you both very clear and realistic, of what
00:36:08would like to fight one another?
00:36:09Oh, that won't happen.
00:36:10No, definitely won't happen.
00:36:13Er...
00:36:13You're looking there, is it?
00:36:14No, no.
00:36:15I was going to say, I'm sure we might tell a few people we're going to, and we'll get
00:36:19a great crowd.
00:36:20I know, but...
00:36:22Eve and Lisa take on each other in Casserie.
00:36:25Yeah, no.
00:36:26Look, we love sports, and we want to be...
00:36:29Try and keep her number one spots, and that.
00:36:32But, like, if there ever was a time where we...
00:36:36One of us would choose, we wouldn't take it to that extent.
00:36:39Mam won't allow that.
00:36:41Mam definitely wouldn't allow it.
00:36:42I don't know what she'd do, because she can't.
00:36:43She'd have to come to the...
00:36:44Well, she wouldn't have to, but...
00:36:45We'd have to box against each other in the All-Irelands, and...
00:36:48Then...
00:36:49Only one of us is selected, so...
00:36:51Erm...
00:36:52We do sparring and that for practice, and...
00:36:54Erm...
00:36:55That's enough.
00:36:56Yeah.
00:36:57I know, we do...
00:36:58We do make it fun and enjoyable too, like...
00:37:00She might stick out her tongue the odd time at me, and...
00:37:03You know, vice versa.
00:37:05Just to throw her off from a big punch.
00:37:07I know, but...
00:37:08There's power behind her.
00:37:09We enjoy it, and that's the main thing, I suppose.
00:37:12And just to wrap up, it's something that you would...
00:37:16Encourage...
00:37:17Other...
00:37:18Girls to get into?
00:37:19Definitely.
00:37:20Yeah.
00:37:20There's great discipline, and...
00:37:22Learn.
00:37:23Learn.
00:37:24Yeah, and...
00:37:24The opportunities that we've got out of it, like...
00:37:27And getting to see the world, and travel the world, and...
00:37:30Represent your country, like...
00:37:31Representing Ireland is...
00:37:33You know, so many people dream of that.
00:37:35And...
00:37:36Just never take it for granted that, like...
00:37:38When we get in, we are so proud...
00:37:40To be representing our clubs, our county, and Ireland, like...
00:37:44On the world stage.
00:37:45It's incredible, and...
00:37:47Just so grateful for it.
00:37:49Wow.
00:37:50Thank you so much for coming onto the show.
00:37:53Thank you.
00:37:53And talking to me, lads.
00:37:55Thank you.
00:37:55Thanks for the talk.
00:37:56Mighty.
00:37:57Thank you.
00:37:58Thank you.
00:38:12Welcome to the third half, everybody.
00:38:14Freddie, who's next?
00:38:16Tommy.
00:38:17Our next guest is...
00:38:18Mr. Tim Key.
00:38:27Alright.
00:38:28Hello.
00:38:29You...
00:38:30You have a...
00:38:31Surprisingly firm handshake.
00:38:33Why is that surprising?
00:38:35I don't know.
00:38:35I just...
00:38:36You give the vibe of a man who would be quite...
00:38:39Loose.
00:38:40Yours was loose.
00:38:43You're judging me?
00:38:45How are you?
00:38:47I'm good.
00:38:48How are you?
00:38:48Were you ill recently?
00:38:52Was I ill?
00:38:53Yeah.
00:38:53Did you have a bad something or other?
00:39:00Er...
00:39:00I was pretty ill at one point.
00:39:02Yeah?
00:39:03Yeah.
00:39:04What was it?
00:39:07Well, I mean, I...
00:39:08I mean...
00:39:09Well, I got diagnosed with a malignant melanoma.
00:39:14Is that what you were thinking of?
00:39:17What...
00:39:17What...
00:39:18I wasn't thinking of anything specifically, but what is that?
00:39:24Well...
00:39:24Erm...
00:39:25It's like a skin cancer.
00:39:28So, erm...
00:39:29Well, what originally happened was a erm...
00:39:33I was doing a gig.
00:39:34Yeah.
00:39:35And er...
00:39:37In the gig, I erm...
00:39:39I started the show wearing my suit.
00:39:42But then in my show, I changed my clothes.
00:39:45And I end up in little denim shorts.
00:39:48And a Hawaiian shirt.
00:39:50And I ended up stood on the stairway in the auditorium.
00:39:55And then next to me was a GP.
00:39:58And then the next day, the GP sent an email to my agent.
00:40:01And there was a consultant saying, love the show.
00:40:05But he should go and see his GP as soon as possible.
00:40:09So I went to the GP.
00:40:11And then she, erm...
00:40:14referred me straight away to hospital.
00:40:16And then the consultant said he wanted to operate that day.
00:40:22To remove it.
00:40:24Is that what you're thinking of?
00:40:26Well, I don't understand.
00:40:27Like I said, I didn't have any...
00:40:29Jesus.
00:40:31Yeah.
00:40:35Is it...
00:40:35Are you okay now?
00:40:38Yeah.
00:40:43I thought that was a decent opener.
00:40:45Great.
00:40:49And that's the greatest opening we've had over the ten years.
00:40:52That's just like...
00:40:54So then, when I was kind of recovered...
00:40:57Wow.
00:40:57I then dug out the email from the doctor, who'd emailed my agent, to thank her.
00:41:05And the only detail I got wrong is she hadn't said she'd enjoyed the show.
00:41:11That was probably harder to take.
00:41:14What did I do wrong?
00:41:15It's not easy, is it, our job?
00:41:16I don't know.
00:41:18Wow.
00:41:19Yeah.
00:41:21Was that...
00:41:23The...
00:41:25The movie that came out in the past couple of months...
00:41:29Yeah.
00:41:29Was that in and around the same time, or was this well before it, or...?
00:41:35So, erm...
00:41:36Well, that one was...
00:41:38No, that happened around about 2018, 17, something like that.
00:41:44And then, yeah, we made the film in 2023, I think.
00:41:50Wow.
00:41:50Wow.
00:41:51Yeah.
00:41:53But, I mean, I'm okay.
00:41:55Thank God, like...
00:41:56Yeah.
00:41:57Yeah.
00:41:57What is it?
00:41:58What is a...
00:41:59Like, what did the doctor see, do you think?
00:42:02Well, she saw what I'd always thought was like a birthmark.
00:42:05But then what happened was, I think it started to change.
00:42:08And then, luckily, the GP had my back.
00:42:12But, yeah, so it was like a raised birthmark, and then that had to be removed.
00:42:18Mm.
00:42:18And then they also removed some lymph nodes.
00:42:21And then, erm...
00:42:23Put me on a course of treatment.
00:42:25So, I got rid of everything and then scanned me, so there was no cancer.
00:42:29Mm.
00:42:29And then put me on a course of treatment for a year.
00:42:34Er...
00:42:35I'm thinking about your skills as an actor, from seeing you in the, erm...
00:42:42The thing with Steve Coogan, the Alan Partridge chat show thing.
00:42:45Yeah.
00:42:46The host of that.
00:42:47Yeah.
00:42:49And I'm...
00:42:52Interested in...
00:42:54Decisions that you make when you're doing stuff like that.
00:42:58Er...
00:42:59Because it's quite underplayed or something, or it's soft, or...
00:43:02It's not...
00:43:03You're not trying to, you know, claim the space.
00:43:08That's a very...
00:43:09That's a very sensitive antenna, or something, that you have.
00:43:15Er...
00:43:15Do you think about the way you play things?
00:43:18Yeah.
00:43:19I do.
00:43:20I mean, I think with that one, it's a very specific job.
00:43:25Because I'm working with Steve Coogan.
00:43:28And...
00:43:28And as...
00:43:29And him playing Alan Partridge, that's kind of like...
00:43:32It's quite a horrific combination.
00:43:35And quite...
00:43:36It's a lot, for me.
00:43:37To be offered the job was kind of mad.
00:43:40Erm...
00:43:41Because that...
00:43:41I think it's...
00:43:42I would say it's my favourite.
00:43:44Yeah.
00:43:44And then...
00:43:45And it would be bad enough that he'd just ask me to...
00:43:47To work with him.
00:43:48Not bad enough.
00:43:49I mean, it's...
00:43:49It's quite good.
00:43:50It's a good opportunity.
00:43:52But...
00:43:52The two words you've used to describe it so far are horrific and bad.
00:43:56Yeah.
00:43:56So it's...
00:43:56It's moving in the right direction.
00:44:00In a minute, it's gonna be okay.
00:44:04It's the same principle as my treatment.
00:44:05Yeah.
00:44:09So then...
00:44:09Yeah.
00:44:10So doing it, the technicality of it is quite interesting.
00:44:12Because the first time we did it, we were in like a tiny studio.
00:44:16And it is...
00:44:17It's very, very intense.
00:44:19Because the director then closes the door.
00:44:21Because it's in a radio studio.
00:44:23That's where it's set.
00:44:24And we did it in an actual radio studio.
00:44:26Like with two fixed cameras.
00:44:28So now I'm just sat there.
00:44:30At...
00:44:31Much closer than you and I are sat now.
00:44:33With Alan Partridge.
00:44:35Which is like...
00:44:37I don't know.
00:44:37It's like a sort of direct hit of your absolute hero.
00:44:40And you're that far away.
00:44:42And actually a lot of the shots kind of rely on the fact that you're in each other's grills.
00:44:46And there's no...
00:44:47There's no space.
00:44:48Mm.
00:44:49Some people have been very nice about my performance.
00:44:52And it's that nervousness and stuff.
00:44:54But there's a lot of it that I'm just like, you know, handing over from my life onto the screen.
00:45:00Where I'm genuinely in awe of this person.
00:45:04And I'm genuinely scared that I'm gonna ruin it.
00:45:07And that's what I'm thinking.
00:45:09And that's what Psychic Simon is thinking.
00:45:11Yeah.
00:45:12Yeah.
00:45:14Um...
00:45:14Tell us about the, uh...
00:45:17The guts and the kind of willpower it took to make a movie that you'd written.
00:45:27Um...
00:45:28Yeah, so we made...
00:45:29Have you seen it?
00:45:30No.
00:45:30So we made a short film in 2007.
00:45:35And I don't think that took too much guts or willpower because it's just a short film.
00:45:40So to make the feature, I think we're very lucky.
00:45:43It was an adaptation of that short film.
00:45:45I didn't have much fear at all about any of it.
00:45:50I think from the start of...
00:45:53Once we wrote it, and I wrote it with Tom Basden, once we wrote it, I was reading the script
00:45:59and I thought...
00:46:00I could totally imagine this being a feature film.
00:46:04You never know completely.
00:46:05But I think...
00:46:06I think, um...
00:46:08I mean, I've got lots of self-doubt in lots of it.
00:46:12But I did think...
00:46:14I always thought if I wrote a script...
00:46:16The question was whether I was able to write a script, but I felt if I wrote a script, in
00:46:22this case with Tom, where I really loved it and really believed in it, I thought then there'd be no
00:46:30reason why it shouldn't be made and maybe be good.
00:46:34How long did it take to write?
00:46:36About six weeks.
00:46:39But it took an incubation period of...
00:46:41Of course, yeah.
00:46:4217 years.
00:46:43Yeah.
00:46:44Yeah.
00:46:45I think with those characters that we had in the short film, I think we had complete faith that they
00:46:52were like, they're quite interesting.
00:46:54And me and Tom, we were in a sketch group years ago, so we've learnt each other's rhythms over the
00:47:00years.
00:47:00Do you still enjoy stand-up?
00:47:05I don't know.
00:47:06I mean, I did it last night and I just loved it.
00:47:08I do...
00:47:09I do love doing it, but I feel like maybe sometimes it takes out...
00:47:14You put quite a lot of yourself into it.
00:47:17Mm-hm.
00:47:18And how much of the show would be poem-based?
00:47:22This one, there's...
00:47:24There's 18 poems.
00:47:26It's usually 18 poems.
00:47:28Yeah.
00:47:29I start...
00:47:29When I do my first warm-up or first, you know, preview on scratch night, I start with about 50.
00:47:38Actually, a full deck of playing cards.
00:47:40I read them off playing cards.
00:47:41Mm.
00:47:41And I do that and talk in between them.
00:47:43And then, gradually, it just gets whittled down and whittled down until I've got 18 that I've complete faith in.
00:47:51And what's your...
00:47:52I don't want to say what's your comic character, but what's...
00:47:57What is the thing that you're looking for that makes you laugh in a poem?
00:48:05Um...
00:48:06Is it about vulnerability?
00:48:07Is it about being strange?
00:48:10Is it...?
00:48:12I don't know.
00:48:13I mean, sometimes there's...
00:48:15Sometimes something unexpected will happen in a poem.
00:48:18But then sometimes...
00:48:20Certainly, when I first started writing them, there'd be stuff where nothing unexpected is happening.
00:48:26And it's sort of almost...
00:48:28Uh...
00:48:29The...
00:48:29The joke in itself is that I'm reading this thing out.
00:48:32I do remember that was, like, a big part of it when I started.
00:48:36Where it would just be about, like, two people, like, coming across each other on a hill and curtsying.
00:48:41And you're like...
00:48:43I mean, that's a disgrace that I'm reading that out.
00:48:45And I...
00:48:46Because I'd tried stand-up before.
00:48:48Yeah.
00:48:48And it had been, like...
00:48:49I'd found it really hard.
00:48:50Just, like, literally, jokes.
00:48:53And I'd done it and I just hadn't worked out what my voice was.
00:48:57And this stuff really unlocked it.
00:48:59It's...
00:48:59It's character comedy, like...
00:49:01Um...
00:49:02No, I don't think it is.
00:49:03Not now.
00:49:04No.
00:49:04Not now.
00:49:05Then it was.
00:49:06Yeah, yeah.
00:49:06Because I also played it drunk.
00:49:08So I was, like...
00:49:09My suit was ill-fitting.
00:49:11And that would have been about 2005, four or five.
00:49:15And then, around about 2009, I switched into, like, a smarter suit.
00:49:20So, my friend came and watched the gig and said...
00:49:24She thinks it would be better if my character's more dignified.
00:49:28And then, I stopped...
00:49:30I'd already stopped pretending to be drunk by that point.
00:49:32But now, it was more...
00:49:34No, it wasn't character.
00:49:35It was, like, a persona.
00:49:37Mm.
00:49:37I mean, you don't know it at the start.
00:49:39Or...
00:49:39Because of coming in from that direction,
00:49:41of it being a bit more of a character,
00:49:43it is strange to think where you're trying to get to.
00:49:47But I do think you need to try and get to something
00:49:49where there's a lot of yourself in it.
00:49:52And so now, I think I can sort of...
00:49:55There are probably bits where I'm kind of having my cake and eating it.
00:49:58But largely, yeah, I think there's quite a lot of me in there, I think.
00:50:03And does it feel like there is a lot to write about?
00:50:07Like, do you...
00:50:08Do you...
00:50:10Is the well always full when you go to write?
00:50:15Oh, no, no.
00:50:17But with this, there was a lot.
00:50:18It was just kind of unpicking how to do it.
00:50:20What was strange is...
00:50:22I had written a show when I was ill.
00:50:27And it was called The Wars, because I was in The Wars.
00:50:32I was kind of merrily going along, doing it as a work in progress.
00:50:35And doing it a lot in London.
00:50:38Just hammering away at it.
00:50:39And it was getting better and better.
00:50:40I really did like it by the end.
00:50:43But then I just thought,
00:50:44I don't know whether I can do this at this precise moment.
00:50:46And then lockdown.
00:50:48Yeah, so it's kind of a lost one.
00:50:51But there's...
00:50:52In the new show, there's some of that is still...
00:50:54There's elements of that that still stay.
00:50:57Yeah.
00:50:58As you were saying that, I...
00:51:02It seemed to me that...
00:51:06When you came out, first of all,
00:51:07and I asked you about the illness,
00:51:10you were genuinely...
00:51:12You looked like you were...
00:51:13What?
00:51:15Like uncomfortable.
00:51:20Do you have a sense that there's stuff that you don't want to happen in public,
00:51:27or in conversation, or on stage, or...
00:51:30Like, are you guarded or sensitive in that way or something?
00:51:34I mean, you know, what happened was, you asked me that.
00:51:39And, um...
00:51:42So...
00:51:44Um...
00:51:46So...
00:51:46I did all of that stuff, and then got the all clear from that situation.
00:51:51Yeah.
00:51:52Then there's...
00:51:54Four years of, like, MRI scans and CT scans,
00:51:58every three months just to check I was okay.
00:52:00Then I got the all clear, hugged it out with my doctor.
00:52:03And then, um, a year later, which is, um...
00:52:08Last, uh, December, uh...
00:52:14I found another lump in my hip.
00:52:19Hmm.
00:52:19And I got...
00:52:22I had all the tests and all of that stuff,
00:52:24and then got diagnosed again with cancer.
00:52:28Yeah.
00:52:29So...
00:52:30And I haven't told anyone.
00:52:31Like, I've never talked about it, you know, in public.
00:52:34Yeah.
00:52:35And so...
00:52:37Um...
00:52:37It felt...
00:52:38It did feel like a, um...
00:52:41It felt like a big place to start.
00:52:43And so...
00:52:44So with that one...
00:52:46I...
00:52:46So I had an operation last...
00:52:49It was a year ago.
00:52:50So last...
00:52:51Last, um...
00:52:53February.
00:52:54And they removed...
00:52:56They removed that tumour.
00:52:58And then, um...
00:53:00I started a course of immunotherapy in March of last year.
00:53:06Uh-huh.
00:53:06And so every three weeks I do this immunotherapy.
00:53:11Uh...
00:53:11Exactly the same as last time.
00:53:13And they removed everything.
00:53:14And they scan everything.
00:53:15So I don't have cancer now.
00:53:16Yeah.
00:53:17But I'm doing the treatment for that.
00:53:18And I've been very fortunate.
00:53:21And when it happened,
00:53:22It was all completely and utterly entangled with the release of our film.
00:53:29So I got diagnosed, I think, in the January.
00:53:35And then that night I did my show, which was talking about...
00:53:42At one point in my show, I'm talking about when I got diagnosed with cancer five years ago.
00:53:48And then I did that show for a week.
00:53:50Then went to Sundance for the film festival.
00:53:54And then we opened the film.
00:53:56And then I just remember being on stage with, um...
00:54:02Griff, who directed it, and Carey Mulligan, who's in it, and Tom Basden.
00:54:06I mean, there's a sort of numbness about it because there's just...
00:54:10It sort of feels impossible that these two things are happening at the same time.
00:54:14Where I don't know how emotional I would have been in Sundance.
00:54:18It's at altitude.
00:54:19You know, it's really...
00:54:20It's in the mountains.
00:54:21Mm.
00:54:22And there was a lot going on.
00:54:23And I was so overwhelmed that we made our film and that it was going well.
00:54:27So it probably would have done it on its own.
00:54:31And, yeah.
00:54:32There was, like, one interview where I just slightly lost it.
00:54:37I'm not surprised because it sounds like being a double agent.
00:54:40Mm.
00:54:40Or something, it sounds...
00:54:41Well, it is slightly.
00:54:42I mean, it's weird when you ask the question at the start where...
00:54:47I didn't quite know what to do with the question.
00:54:50Mm.
00:54:50Because you can say, no, I'm fine.
00:54:52I mean, that's another way of doing it.
00:54:54I could say, yeah, no, I'm fine.
00:54:55How are you?
00:54:56But there was...
00:54:57I thought maybe you might have read something or something...
00:55:00I can't remember.
00:55:00I have no idea how it got into my head.
00:55:02It's the handshake.
00:55:03Yeah.
00:55:03How weak was it?
00:55:04It was very strong because that's what alarmed me.
00:55:09What's he pretending?
00:55:11Yeah.
00:55:12This guy's covering an illness up.
00:55:15It...
00:55:16The...
00:55:16The...
00:55:18The treatment and the illness story alongside the kind of...
00:55:25The jet taking off in the film world sounds like a movie.
00:55:30Does it?
00:55:30Yeah, I think so.
00:55:32I kind of felt like when I was in hospital,
00:55:33I thought it felt like a...
00:55:35I write books as well.
00:55:37Like little books of kind of poetry and dialogue.
00:55:40And I was thinking when I was inside there that there's definitely a book.
00:55:45I just couldn't...
00:55:46It was so interesting, like, experiencing both those things.
00:55:50They were on consecutive weekends, the Sundance and then the Operation.
00:55:55And so it felt...
00:55:58It's quite...
00:55:59I mean, you don't really have to be someone working in our job to notice the similarities.
00:56:04They're, like, quite stark where you're, like, getting a chauffeur-driven car in one chapter.
00:56:11And over here, I'm on a line bike.
00:56:14And then over here, you're, like, being given this amazing food and drinks.
00:56:18And here, there's this sort of grey plate of mints.
00:56:23And then you've got these amazing PR girls who are, like, taking you places and stuff like that.
00:56:27And the nurses.
00:56:28And then you've got the premiere and you've got the operation.
00:56:30You know, it is completely wild.
00:56:33You've got this, you know, five-star hotel they're putting you up in.
00:56:36You've got this, you know, hospital ward where there's one guy who's, like, quite rude.
00:56:45But maybe, I mean, now even talking to you about it, it's obviously because it's my life and you don't
00:56:51know anything about it.
00:56:54You know, with friends, you sort of chip away at things and you talk about small elements of it.
00:57:00But to give the whole, like, I've never really talked about the whole year.
00:57:04So maybe it is more, maybe there's a chance it could be a future.
00:57:10What kind of stuff makes you laugh?
00:57:15I know it's bad, but, like, I think probably the thing I watch most is The Office.
00:57:21And just keep going back to it again and again and again.
00:57:24I must have watched those, like, there's only 12, 14 episodes.
00:57:29I just kind of, there's something comforting about it.
00:57:34But I'm not, like, probably, to be fair, sitting roaring at a sitcom.
00:57:39No, no.
00:57:41It's been quite the chat.
00:57:44There was a lot going on.
00:57:45Hasn't it?
00:57:46Well, I think you should open with Ill again. Get to your places.
00:57:54I'd only become predictable.
00:57:56I don't think you were.
00:57:58You're surprising.
00:58:01Thanks for coming on and thanks very much for talking to me.
00:58:08Real pleasure.
00:58:16And now, ladies and gentlemen, would you please welcome back Dermot Kennedy,
00:58:19performing with the RTE Concert Orchestra.
00:58:22And he's singing the song Refuge, which is taken from his upcoming album
00:58:25The Weight of the Woods, and that's released on Friday.
00:58:47We can't know the end until it's over.
00:58:55Show your scars and let me pull closer.
00:59:04Watching your silhouette dance off the lake.
00:59:08I promise I won't let you break.
00:59:11I know the dark shows up more than we'd like.
00:59:16Carve it in stone so the stories survive.
00:59:20Try to stand tall.
00:59:22Try to get you to smile.
00:59:24Fight off what's sensible.
00:59:27Say I'm invincible.
00:59:29It's all a lie.
00:59:32Cause, darling, I'm shaking tonight.
00:59:35I'm chasing a dream, but I'm trying.
00:59:42If we never make it, at least we can say we died trying.
00:59:50And at least the memories of you and me don't have to be perfect.
00:59:58Your sunny feet, the way you breathe, the subtle things that make it all worth it.
01:00:07Watching your silhouette dance off the lake.
01:00:11I promise I won't let you break.
01:00:14I know the dark shows up more than we'd like.
01:00:19Carve it in stone so the story survives.
01:00:23Try to stand tall.
01:00:25Try to get you to smile.
01:00:27Fight off what's sensible.
01:00:30Say I'm invincible.
01:00:32It's all a lie.
01:00:33Cause, darling, I'm shaking tonight.
01:00:39Chasing a dream, but I'm tired.
01:00:45If we never make it, at least we can say we died trying.
01:00:54Died trying.
01:00:58Died trying.
01:01:02If we never make it, at least we can say we died trying.
01:01:15Trust these words, my heart is true.
01:01:19Love, let me be your refuge.
01:01:23Trust these words, my heart is true.
01:01:27Love, let me be your refuge.
01:01:31Trust these words, my heart is true.
01:01:36Love, let me be your refuge.
01:01:39Trust these words, my heart is true.
01:01:44Love, let me be your refuge.
01:01:49Cause, darling, I'm shaking tonight.
01:01:53Chasing a dream, but I'm tired.
01:02:00If we never make it, at least we can say we died trying.
01:02:25If we never make it, at least we can say we died trying.
01:02:27Try to make it.
01:02:37Then keep me neuro-EEEEEypey.
01:02:39I needpping this style.
01:02:39See you later.
01:02:44See you later.
01:02:48Let's see each other.
01:02:48We will be in.
01:02:48See you later.
01:02:51BDK
01:02:51He was وسrr, and we'll protect you.
01:02:51Gracias por ver el video.
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