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00:00Hello, I'm Angela Scanlon and welcome to Unfinished Business, the show that over-analyses the dog-eat-dog
00:05world of The Apprentice.
00:07Coming up, I'll be speaking to the latest candidates to leave the process, Kieran and
00:12Rothner.
00:12Lord Sugar shares his thoughts on the task, and look what the cat's dragged in.
00:17I'm joined by presenter Owain Wynne-Evans and Apprentice interviewer and business expert
00:22Claudine Collins.
00:24This is The Apprentice Unfinished Business.
00:31Welcome Claudine and Owain!
00:33Thank you!
00:33Thanks for having us!
00:35Thank you for being here.
00:37The teams this week had to create a new pet lifestyle brand, so they had to design a product,
00:42they had to create a social media video and then pitch to retailers.
00:46Claudine, what is the secret to a task like this?
00:48I think first and foremost, you have to devise a product that is slightly different to what's
00:56out there, something that people that own that pet would actually want, and you really
01:03have to believe in it, you have to be passionate about it. Social media videos got to be a bit
01:08funny, the brand has to be on point with the actual product. So there's a lot of things to
01:14get right, but I think first and foremost, the product has to be something that is just a little
01:20bit outside of the box from the norm.
01:22This was a classic case of cats versus dogs. Where do your alliances lie?
01:27Dog.
01:28Dog!
01:29I am obsessed with dogs. I don't have one because I'm working and it wouldn't be fair,
01:35but honestly, a dog cannot go past me in the street without me saying,
01:39can I just give it a little pet? OK. What about you, Owen?
01:43I am a cat person traditionally, but I do feel like now I'm wanting to sort of dip a toe
01:50in both
01:50camps because I really want a dog. But my cat, Franny, is 14. She's an old girl. I just love
01:56the
01:56complete lack of unconditional love. I love the way that she looks me up and down and wishes that I
02:02wasn't there. But I don't know if she's, you know, I come from a very working class background.
02:08I can't figure out if the cat is classist or homophobic at this stage. But there's something
02:14about me she doesn't like.
02:15It was a bit of a dog fight, wasn't it, on Team Alpha to bag the project manager role.
02:19Let's remind ourselves of that.
02:22Guys, I would also like to put myself over this PM as a dog owner. I know what dogs love.
02:26I've had German Shepherds growing up and now I also have a Shih Tzu, so I've had big dogs,
02:31small dogs. I can speak dog. I can speak dog as well. But people call me the dog whisperer.
02:38I've got a cockapoo. I had a lab, rescued a Shih Tzu. I've also had a cat. Cats and dogs,
02:43horses, all of it.
02:47Can you speak dog? I can't speak dog. No, not me. But it does feel like we've kind of seen
02:52the last
02:53couple of weeks, both Karishma and Pasha have kind of fought to take the reins. Two alphas on Team
03:00Alpha. Yeah. Yeah. And I think that it was really interesting, you know, with that exchange that
03:06they both not only wanted to take that role, but actually I do think they both seriously love dogs.
03:14And they kind of, you know, are therefore qualified to be the person who's kind of leading
03:18a challenge like that. Yeah.
03:20I mean, I think the boys just didn't know what had hit them. They're both like looking from one to
03:25the
03:26other going, okay, yeah, I'm not definitely not putting myself forward. It's got to be one of
03:31these boss women. Totally.
03:33But yeah, they're really kind of like fighting for it.
03:36I know. I absolutely love it. Yeah, so do I.
03:38I love it. So do I.
03:39The team created a talking dog bed, an innovative idea, but lacking in scientific backing,
03:46it would appear. Were you guys sold on it?
03:49So I actually was sold on it. I thought, oh my God, that's such a good idea. Now,
03:54as I stated, I don't actually have a dog. However, what I do think is they could have adapted it.
04:01It could be a soothing sound for the dog when an ambulance goes past or a big noise goes past.
04:06So the noise activation.
04:08Yes, it could have been adapted to that. So I think that that was a good idea.
04:13I thought, you know, what I was expecting this product to be was something that you could
04:19send a voice message to, as opposed to it being the same, which, as we saw on the show,
04:25gets a little bit repetitive after a while, but it's like, hi, baby, I'll be home soon.
04:30Loads of love on heavy rotation.
04:33Yeah. And then it's like, this is starting to wear thin. You said you'd be home soon,
04:37nine hours ago.
04:39So true.
04:40You've lost my trust.
04:41Literally, when you close the front door upon leaving, hi, baby, I'm just going to pop out.
04:47It's so true, isn't it? But actually, again, they're like makings of something brilliant
04:52and the conviction with which they sold it was also quite admirable, I would say.
04:58Yes. Pasha's attempt to make his spelling mistake look like a luxury manoeuvre was a
05:06lesson for the ages. It was superb. I mean, even when a French guy said that it was the wrong
05:13spelling, she was like, no, it wasn't. It was. If they would have gone with the confidence of
05:20being like, right, OK, for example, the word evoke is spelt not the way you see it on the back
05:27of a Range Rover. That's a different spelling. You know, and very similar with a chic chic thing
05:31with this. Poetic license. Poetic license. We've done it this way because we want it to sound that
05:36way, but we don't want it to look that way. Also trademarking. Much easier, you would imagine.
05:41I think it's important that the records state it is actually the correct spelling in Portuguese.
05:46Yes. OK.
05:47Yeah. Not in English or French, obviously. From one team who knew a lot about pets to another who knew,
05:54well, absolutely nothing. Kieran took the lead due to the deal that he had made with Lord Sugar.
06:00Yeah. And it was either win the task or walk. Do we think that either Rothna or Dan would have
06:07been
06:07better suited as PM on this particular task? Oh, absolutely. I think that I think Dan did a great
06:15job in some elements of this task in particular. I thought he was brilliant. Whereas I definitely
06:21felt like, you know, Kieran was ploughing through with an idea and not really taking on board anything
06:27that Rothna was saying. And I really felt for her, actually, when I was watching it.
06:32And it's interesting because Rothna flagged early on. Yeah. She's like, Kieran, sometimes you lack
06:38attention to detail. So I want to be with you to keep an eye on that. And she tried. But
06:42did she
06:43need to be a bit more forceful in that? She did. I mean, the honest truth is, I don't think
06:47he'd have
06:48taken any notice, however forceful she was. And ultimately, he's project manager. So he gets the
06:53ultimate say. And her instincts were right. I mean, she knew that cats don't in fact like cheese. They
06:58like mice and mice like cheese. So she's like, there's something here, but it's not quite right.
07:04Absolutely. And I don't know many cats that love bananas and apples either, to be fair.
07:10The banana nearly sent me. Me too.
07:12I mean, my cat has never interacted with a banana. No. Can confirm.
07:17Okay. Owen, do you reckon as a cat dad, that Franny would be into this tree banana aside?
07:21Banana aside, I think she would take one look at it and think, what the hell is that?
07:25And then, much like she does when I enter the room. I think that she would maybe try the rotating
07:35mouse disc thing. Yeah, that was cute. If they'd have made it something that, you know,
07:41that would fit into a setting like this, you know, stylish, something a little bit mid-century,
07:46something that maybe looked like an indoor plant, not like an actual tree, you know, the size of an
07:52actual tree anyway. Maybe it would have worked. But no, Franny would not be interested in that.
07:56She wouldn't be interested. I don't think. Let's talk about the one-man branding team,
08:00Dan. Because actually, left to his own devices. He was clear. He was enjoying himself. He was assertive.
08:06I think Baroness Brady was kind of, you know, impressed.
08:10Yeah, he did really well. Listen, he didn't have to confer with anyone. He just did what he thought.
08:16It could have gone hideously wrong. But actually, it was really good. I thought it was a good brand,
08:23good colouring. Yeah. And everyone seemed to like it. And I think the designer who was working with
08:29him, oh my gosh, there was like smoke coming out of her fingers. He was like, right, do that in
08:33green.
08:33Now resize that. Now scale that. Yeah. He knew what he wanted and he was doing it well.
08:37Yeah. What we're after, isn't it?
08:39OK, we've heard what you guys think. Shall we have a little listen to what Lord Sugar has to say?
08:44He sent me the weekly voice note. Hi, Angela. Hello.
08:48Now, the market research spoke for itself. Common sense was lacking when it came to the cat tree.
08:55You don't need to be a cat lover to know that if your cat can't physically reach the top of
09:01the tree,
09:02then it's time to cut it down. That's a good point. Anyway, next stops, the final five.
09:07Let's hope they don't make a dog's dinner of the interviews.
09:14There you go. There you go. He's not wrong, is he? He's not wrong.
09:17Common sense went a bit out the window, Claudine, didn't it? How do you stay focused? Because I feel
09:22like it is almost with, you know, the final five in sight that there's, you know, it can kind of
09:28get into
09:28your head. I think how you have to do it is you literally have to go back to basics and
09:34you have to
09:34kind of write, what exactly am I looking to do? What am I looking to achieve? How am I going
09:40to
09:40get there? Does this tick all the boxes of what I need it to do? And if you'd have gone
09:46back to that,
09:46it would have been, actually, how does the cat get in there? Is it too big? Would we be better
09:53making it smaller? Do we think it's more attainable then and more will sell? So you just almost have to
10:00take a step back out of yourself and kind of start from the beginning and think, if there was no,
10:06like, not so much pressure on me, what would I do? And that's kind of how you have to do
10:12it.
10:13Well, it is time to meet the candidate who made a big deal with the big boss.
10:16They say every dog has its day, but this was not Kieran's, was it? Let's remind ourselves of the
10:21moment that he walked. And the message there is, you didn't push him enough. You gave in too early.
10:29Let's go walkies.
10:32We had a deal. We've got a deal.
10:36Thank you for the opportunity. Thank you for the opportunity.
10:39Well done, Kieran. All the best, guys.
10:45Kieran, everybody. Oh, thank you. Brilliant. Welcome. Let's go walkies. Let's go walkies.
10:52Let's go talkies. Iconic. It was quite iconic. I even forgot I said that as well, which is hilarious.
10:57It was quite good. That was good. Let's talk about the deal that you made with Lord Sugar.
11:01How do you considered it? Like, was it planned when you were about to go back into the boardroom?
11:05Were you like, this is what I'm going to throw at him last minute? Or was it totally spur of
11:09the moment?
11:09Um, in the CAF, I was like, I've probably got to figure something out here to stay.
11:17I thought I was going. So I kind of just thought, why not? Let's give it some. And he just
11:22come out.
11:23Are you okay? It's when he went through, everyone was like, do you want to make this deal? And I
11:27was
11:27like, oh, no. If someone said yes, they might have like, they got the opportunity and I was going.
11:31Yeah. But it works. It works. Sort of. Sort of.
11:37The cat tree. The beautiful cat tree. The beautiful cat tree. Let's talk about it.
11:43It was pretty large and pretty heavy. In fact, we actually couldn't get it here today because
11:48I don't have a pickup truck. But Rothner, at a few points, did attempt to interject and,
11:57you know, tried to tone it down a bit, but you stuck very much to your mantra of go big
12:02or go home.
12:02Was that a mistake? I should have listened to Rothner, but I'm like, when I get an idea,
12:07I'm just like, let's do it. Let's like, just go crazy with it. Um, you know, house plants are
12:13normally like five, six foot, right? Well, it depends on the house plant, I suppose.
12:17Yeah. I mean, maybe it's not for flats. Maybe it is for just nice big homes and houses and big
12:21flats.
12:23Tall. Tall flats. Yeah. High ceilings. Very high ceilings. Okay. In hindsight,
12:28do you reckon there's anything you would have done differently except for maybe listen to Rothner?
12:32I think in that task, the only thing I would have done different and what it's frowned upon throughout
12:36the show is that they said, don't interject on other people's negotiations. If I would have jumped
12:41in on Dan, we would have won. We would have got the extra 1500 they were willing to give.
12:47Other people do interject in the negotiations. I know, but it's frowned upon so if it went wrong,
12:51it would have made me look bad in a lot. I mean, I had nothing to lose. I should have
12:54done it, but
12:55yeah. When you didn't win, you stuck to your bargain. You were like, okay, I'm in. I'm out,
13:00even. And quite an iconic exit. Claudine Owain, did you expect that Kieran might put up a bit more of
13:07a fight? I did actually. I thought that you would. I understand. I mean, you never got the finger,
13:13did you? You never got that you were fired. No. But you're saying straight off,
13:16this is Dan. Dan lost this task force. It was a negotiation from Dan, yeah.
13:21Yeah. So there may have been an opportunity to, you know.
13:24I think there could have been an opportunity, but I'm a man of my word and I sort of live
13:28by
13:28that in my everyday life. So, you know. I think, look, good on you. You're right.
13:33You made a deal and you stuck by that deal and, you know, it may well have been, we'll never
13:40know,
13:40may well have been the same result if you had fought for it because you were PM like the week
13:46before the interviews. But you won't know. I'll never know. No, you'll never know. No.
13:51Fun fact. You are the candidate who was brought back to the boardroom the most times. Yes.
13:57Four, that is, in total. Why do you think that was? Biggest threat, I reckon.
14:01Biggest threat. Yeah. You know, I just think I'm quite loud and out there and I'm quite an easy
14:08person to blame if it all goes wrong because I put my ideas out where some people stay quiet
14:12and don't get noticed as much. And how do you think then that you survived that many?
14:17I think Lord Sugar respects the fact that you go for it and you do get involved. Because if you
14:23don't get involved, what's the point of being there? And he liked you, didn't he? He said he liked
14:27your spirit. Yeah, he liked you. He could see definitely something in you. You know,
14:31that's why, that's how he keeps people in the process time after time because he can see something.
14:37I could have stayed. If I would have fought my spot, I could have stayed.
14:39You seemed confident from the get-go. Were there any moments during the process where you kind of
14:44felt a little less self-assured? Bottom three is a tough place to be and I was there quite a
14:49lot.
14:49So I'd say every bottom three, there's, you know, nerves go through, you're like shaking under the
14:54table. And it's when he does that, he talks to you and then like drops and talks to someone else.
14:59You're like, oh my God, I thought I was going. Yeah. That was pretty stressful.
15:03Yeah, I bet. Because you could see behind all of the, you know, bravado that there were moments
15:09where I thought, oh God. Yeah, yeah. I feel like he's going to cry. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
15:14Almost a few times after the bottom three's. Yeah. I think it was when Dan said, when Dan said,
15:20how's the cat going to get into that thing? You just went, oh yeah. Oh God, yeah.
15:26I didn't think about that. Now you say it. Let me get a ladder, like, that's the additional extra.
15:31They have to pay for that. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, that's what you said.
15:33I said that you get like a bolt on. Yeah, yeah, there you go. You buy the tree and then,
15:38because my cat's there. Different fruits, you know. Exactly. If your cat isn't into, you know,
15:42apples and bananas. Berries. They've got a full brand to build, right?
15:48Yeah. Honestly, he's not messing around. What were your highlights, Kieran?
15:52Apart from being recognised as a spirited young chap by the boss.
15:56My two favourite moments were both with Lawrence, actually. So it was the carbonara selling
16:01on the market in Greenwich. That was hilarious. And then it's got to be the lads day out in Isle
16:07of Wight.
16:08Goats. Goats. Yeah, nice little glass of wine. Yeah.
16:10Feed the goats. Clean the goats up. It's hilarious.
16:14Job done. Job done.
16:14That was great fun. Well, it was great having you and great watching you. Thank you so much,
16:18Kieran, everybody. Thank you.
16:23It is time to meet the candidate who faced her fear of cats, but unfortunately dropped the furball
16:28on the task. Here's the moment she left the boardroom for good.
16:31Um, Rothner, you sold nothing. And at least Dan did sell 2,000 pieces.
16:37So you've been really impressive in this process, but I have to tell you that regretfully your journey
16:47is over now. You're fired. Thank you very much for the opportunity. Good luck, Rothner.
16:59It's Rothner! Yay! Hello! Welcome. Thank you for having me.
17:06Oh, got it. Got it. Before you were fired, Lord Sugar said to you, you've been very,
17:11very impressive. Was that, you know, bam to the wound?
17:15I mean, it would have been nice if you hired me. But you know what? I'm actually really,
17:20really thankful he said that. Because you know, throughout that whole process,
17:22you obviously want to make an impression. And Stephen had a compliment and then been fired.
17:26I think he really struggled though, didn't he? I think he really struggled between you and Dan.
17:31And really, he doesn't often say that to Candace. So the fact that he said it to you,
17:36I would take that as, I don't think he's ever said it to me, to be honest. I would take
17:39that
17:40as like something that I would hold to my heart, really. Oh, thank you. No, it really was special.
17:45Obviously, you know, when you're told you're fired, it's just like a blur. And anything that
17:50happened before and after, you're just in a state of shock. And so hearing that back and him say that,
17:55it actually sunk in a little bit. So yeah, it was a really nice little moment.
17:59Let's talk, Rothner, about the faithful task. Had Kieran not automatically been made project
18:04manager, would you have put yourself forward for this one? Yes, I would have put myself forward
18:08because I think, you know, when you've got a little bit of fear and at this stage of the
18:12process, it's all about wanting to maximize what's in your control. And like, obviously,
18:16we saw when I was building the catchy, like Kieran kept saying, trust me,
18:20learned my lesson from there. But I think if I was PM, I definitely would have like 100% said
18:25what
18:25I wanted there and then and like not taking no for an answer. And it's hard to do so because
18:29when you're not PM, you don't want to come across as that person that's just constantly like
18:33stopping you from progressing. Yeah, you said that, that you wish you were kind of more of a
18:37hindrance. Was there a sense that maybe because pets, cats weren't your thing that you weren't
18:43able to follow the instincts that actually were leading you towards very sensible questions?
18:48Yeah, because I was with Dan and, you know, Kieran who have pets, they've had pets all their life.
18:53And like, I haven't, I've got a fear of it. So for me, the least I know, the better it
18:57is for me.
18:58But then I think I wish I trusted my gut because some of the things is pretty self-explanatory,
19:02right? And I think because Kieran kept saying, trust me, trust me, I thought, you know what,
19:07maybe let me just trust him. And I guess that that area and when we were in that moment, I
19:12honestly wish I just trusted my gut. I really do. At least you knew that cats don't love cheese.
19:19Yeah. And it was the mice that love cheese. Yeah. It was that moment I was like, oh, we're doomed.
19:24Yeah. We're flying blind here, lads. So true. Honestly, I had a huge reality check. When he looked
19:30at me, he said cheese. I was like, oh dear. Sorry. Honestly, I think I would have done a better
19:35job.
19:35Sorry, Kieran. No, I think that's fair enough. Yeah. You hadn't been back in the boardroom since week one.
19:41Was it easier this time or tougher because you were so close to the final five?
19:48In some ways, it was a lot harder because, you know, there was a lot of pressure riding on it.
19:51And,
19:51you know, final five is what all we ever spoke about in the house, you know, like that's where
19:56everyone wants to be. Week one, obviously being brought back, it's so early on and you're kind
20:00of fighting for to be noticed, you know, to be able to show Lord Sugar what you're made of. And
20:05at this
20:05point, you've kind of shown Lord Sugar what you're made of. Now, it's the business bit,
20:08which is the bit you really care about. So yeah, it was really hard being in that boardroom.
20:13And I guess, you know, I knew it was do or die in that moment. And I tried, I tried,
20:19but yeah,
20:19it led to me being excited. Week one, you coming back into the restaurant, reminding everyone,
20:26you're like, we're fighting for our lives in there. It was such an iconic moment for me.
20:33And everyone was just like, oh dear, I've just gotten serious. It was beautiful.
20:37Because it was dramatic. You know, that boardroom in Hong Kong, my God, I have never sweated more
20:44in my life. I didn't even sweat that much in the task that I did in there. And I came
20:47back and I was
20:47like, I don't know about you guys, but I survived something big there. And you do come back. And I
20:52think I had the added advantage in that moment to be over everybody else who wasn't in the boardroom.
20:57And, you know, it's really serious. You don't realize how serious the process is until you're sat in
21:01front of Lord Sugar fighting for your life. You are fighting for your life, guys, honestly.
21:05You were PM for The Flower Task. Again, like a really beautiful show, I think, of your capability,
21:12your ability to lead people. Was it natural for you, that leadership position?
21:17You know, what's really interesting is I think it came because I really enjoyed the task. And I
21:22love working with people. Like in my day job, you know, I work in mental health and well-being,
21:26and I think hearing people's opinions is really important. Obviously, I ended up going for
21:29what I wanted in the end, but it's important to listen to people. And I didn't really quite
21:34realize perhaps how good I am at leadership. Like having such a good win, it was reassuring
21:40for me more than anything that I'm capable and I can lead a team to victory. I mean, I just
21:44needed to
21:44believe in myself.
21:45And I think that you have a really lovely way about you as well, because you're not like overly
21:51aggressive or overly cocky. You just do it in a very lovely like way of making your views known
21:58with respect to other people. And, you know, I really thought that you came across really well
22:04in that. And I think everyone said you were a great project manager in that as well.
22:07Yeah, that was such a wholesome moment for me. But thank you. That really means a lot.
22:11Tim said that you were a calming influence amongst the chaos. Was there ever a moment that we may not
22:18have seen where you thought you're going to lose your cool? Pretty much every week. I think I'm just
22:27really important to me is even if you're panicking as a leader, it's so important
22:30that you don't show that panic. Swan, Swan. Yeah. Honestly, internally, like I am surprised you
22:36guys didn't see more of my panic around the cats. Like inside, I thought like my heart honestly was
22:41beating so fast, but I just thought if I show it, I'll believe that I'm actually panicking and then
22:45everyone else will start panicking. And it's so important that you don't spread that panic on and
22:50you contain it from within. So yeah, there were plenty of moments where I felt it, but I'm just glad
22:54you guys
22:54didn't get to see it. Well, it was felt certainly your, the loss of you in the house when you
23:02didn't
23:02return. Karishma, particularly very, very emotional. Yeah. Was that difficult watching? I cried when I
23:10watched it. It was so hard to watch because honestly, she's like a sister to me. Like it's really rare
23:16in a competitive environment to really, really feel that, you know, sisterhood. And like, I found a
23:22piece of home within her and like what she said, the feeling was completely mutual. Yeah,
23:26with Karishma, I think she's just an absolute boss. But I've seen this other soft little mellow side to
23:32her. I think that's so important. Like it just shows how human she is. And I think we both related
23:36on that. Like we can show everybody a cool, calm and collected, but then we'd get it back into our
23:40rooms and then we'd have a little cry and be like, this was stressful. That was stressful. And it's so
23:43nice
23:44to share that together. So absolutely love her. That was brilliant. You were an absolute joy
23:49to watch. So thank you so, so much. It is time for boardroom bangers. Brace yourselves. The part
23:56of the show where our guests provide the soundtrack to the task. Claudine, what have you gone for?
24:00So I have gone for something that bearing in mind, I was looking at the cat tree thinking,
24:07what on earth? This is what I've gone for. Oh, I've trashed that one in karaoke a couple of times,
24:24let me tell you. It's a banger, isn't it? Okay, Owain, what have you gone for? Well, for me,
24:30the thing that stood out during this episode was the fine grasp on the French language or not.
24:37So I've gone for this.
24:52Pasha should have let the music do the talking. I think absolutely so. Yeah. Let's move on our final
24:59five. Now set to face a grilling, it is time for the interviews and I've got a little exclusive.
25:05Oh, looking back on my plan, I think I should, I know I need to allocate a lot more money.
25:10And well, how much more? I reckon that's going to cost around 150,000. So why did you put 50
25:16,000?
25:17Um, that was- Because you've got no idea really what you're doing, have you? Correct. You're not
25:20going to produce a drink for 50,000. You haven't even got a recipe. You haven't even got a manufacturer.
25:27Yes, I agree. And I- Look, you're good at your day job. Do that. Try and build the boozy
25:31bar up. Forget the drink.
25:32You're never going to do it. Okay. Okay.
25:37Oh God.
25:41That couldn't go any worse.
25:43Oh! That was brutal. I'm shaking and sweating.
25:47That broke my heart. A little, little, cute, Priya. A little Priya.
25:52That is savage. Yeah. She's brutal. Honestly. Yeah. Now, Claudine, up until this point, I think
25:59candidates, they can make excuses, can't they, that certain tasks aren't suited to their skill
26:03set or their experience. But now there's absolutely nowhere to hide. How tough is the interview process?
26:09But please say that's as bad as it gets. It is a tough, tough process. We get 45 minutes to
26:16an hour
26:17with each of them. And there are four of us. And you know, the interviewers will find things that even
26:22though they'll think we've covered everything, we know our business, we will always find things that
26:28they haven't thought of. It's also interesting that obviously, when we interview, that is the first time
26:34we've seen them. So we haven't seen any of this. We get to know, like, how many they've won or
26:41lost,
26:41but we don't know how they've performed in the process. So we are literally seeing them and only
26:47meeting them or knowing anything about them the minute that they walk in that door. So you're not
26:52swayed by your ideas of their personalities? No. No. We have CV, like, the business plan, and we go
26:58through that. But we wouldn't know what they were like, personality-wise, at all. And that's so
27:03interesting. Because as a viewer, you know, at that stage, you've built up this kind of idea of
27:09the person as a whole in your head. Yeah. Whereas you just go in there and you have to base
27:13it purely
27:14on what they have for you. Absolutely. Wow. That is a wrap, gang. Thank you so much to my brilliant
27:19guests, Claudine Owyne Rothner and, of course, Ciaran. Yay! Thank you. Don't forget to tune in next
27:27time for more Unfinished Business on BBC Two, iPlayer or BBC Sounds straight after The Apprentice,
27:33when we'll be discussing which candidates just missed out on a place in the final.
27:37I'm Angela Scanlon. Goodbye.
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27:47and, of course, K-1.
27:50Of course, it's great.
27:50I'll see you next time.
27:50I'm Angela Scanlon.
27:51Bye.
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