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00:00:16Hey there everybody I hope you're all well and I hope you enjoy what happens here over the next
00:00:20hour or so. To find out who our first guest is let me hand you over to the MC for
00:00:26the evening
00:00:26very beautiful Fred Cook. Thank you Tommy. Our first guest is Mr Ray Goggins.
00:00:41Ray. Tommy. How are you? Pleasure. You're going. Who's this fella? No I think I was watching it the other
00:00:47night.
00:00:48Were you? You shouted people in the fog. Oh I did yeah. I'm so now though. I've changed. I've changed.
00:00:56I've changed. And I built up a prejudice against you. Did you? Yeah. Oh good I'll try and reverse
00:01:04over that so for the next bit of time we'll see how we get on. I yeah we'll come back
00:01:09to that because
00:01:12so how did you end up doing that show? Okay so I spent most of my career in the army
00:01:19so 26 years
00:01:20doing that and a lot of that in special operations. The army ranger wing used to be called now it's
00:01:27called Irish special ops so so I was a combat diver command all that kind of stuff. Did you get
00:01:36used?
00:01:37We did yeah we got used. In what way now? As in doing your job or being shafted by the
00:01:42government or
00:01:43whoever else. Well you know what actually someone says to me oh we're special ops and we're in the
00:01:46we're in the American army we kind of go all right you'll be up to stuff but yeah but you
00:01:50could be
00:01:50no I get it like we're not we're not a like a war fighting invasion army. Bwakis Lajia. Bwakis Lajia
00:01:56and we don't want
00:01:56to be either yeah but like a lot of um you know hostage rescue stuff you know interdiction stuff stuff
00:02:02in
00:02:02places like you know Africa Middle East you know protection work yeah you know it's it's it's quite varied
00:02:09Why did you join the army? I love the army my father was a soldier um he was a Congo
00:02:14veteran
00:02:14my older brother was in the army but I grew up in a house in Cork the north side in
00:02:21a corporation house
00:02:22eight of us kids and my parents and like as long as I can remember I wanted to be a
00:02:27soldier and
00:02:28strangely enough never because my father used to talk about it because he was retired by the time
00:02:32I came along really like you know I barely knew he was in the army there was just something in
00:02:37me
00:02:37that I wanted to do it like I always wanted to be a soldier and that's what I was for
00:02:42all my career
00:02:43something like fulfilled me about being a soldier and I'm older now I'm in my mid-50s now and I
00:02:49always
00:02:49thought it was you know the sharp end being a ranger and all this kind of stuff and jumping out
00:02:53of
00:02:54planes and eating snakes and blowing shit up it's actually none of that like for me the fulfillment
00:02:58was minding people uh were you attracted to the structure I loved structure like I was 18 when I
00:03:06joined the army in Cork right and like I love like the armed forces in any country and Ireland are
00:03:13the
00:03:13best for building a team why because they make you accountable from the start they have a system
00:03:19called the buddy system so you and me are buddies and if I'm good at something you better be good
00:03:24at it
00:03:24or I'll get punished like you and vice versa so it gives you a fantastic sense of others around you
00:03:31so when you're making the decision you're doing something okay how's that going to affect my body
00:03:34how's that going to affect the team so it gives you almost a selfless and a kind of an ego
00:03:40pairing
00:03:41idea of life which is incredible you know and like when you build that team of people and you connect
00:03:47that people that's what gets you through those hard maybe combat environments
00:03:50so it's a mental training as much as completely it's a it's 90% mindset like the physical stuff
00:03:56and the skill stuff you can learn it's mindset like mindset is the most important aspect of any
00:04:02high intensity environment whether it's sport military in your world you know what you do when
00:04:07you stand out on the stage or you do a show or whatever you have to be no you don't
00:04:11have to
00:04:11necessarily prepare but your mindset has to be ready like if your mindset isn't good you don't go well
00:04:16because I know my mindset isn't good the arse falls over for me you know because you win or lose
00:04:22in
00:04:22your head before you even start that's that's kind of you know our ethos and being trained to do that
00:04:30is there a massive fear of failure no
00:04:36because you fail so much it becomes acceptable so to get into special ops in my day you go on
00:04:44what's
00:04:44called selection so selection is them knocking the bollocks odia for a year basically right
00:04:48and you fail so much and you get so used to this is this is special ops Irish army Irish
00:04:55army yeah
00:04:56yeah yeah I think the selection course process now is slightly different now but the last time I spoke
00:05:02to people about it it tastes like 11 months and like that tv show we talked about you said you
00:05:07saw me
00:05:08doing that's a week we bring people on and we simulate that training but the real course is the best
00:05:13part of
00:05:13a year where you're it's your mindset your belief your sense of purpose is what they're training all the
00:05:19physicality and the cold and the pain is to get you to that place where it's your mindset get you
00:05:24through stuff you know
00:05:25are you in a sense declaring war on yourself you are you're going through like a mill to get to
00:05:31somewhere else where
00:05:33and I'm not saying it makes you infallible you know what I mean you're not you don't become perfect you
00:05:36still make balls and stuff like it's fine but
00:05:38you know your sense of like who you are and what you can do your sense of trust in yourself
00:05:43and the people you work with becomes all important it just sounds a bit macho or something
00:05:48no there don't get me wrong there is a certain amount of chess beating in it but the most important
00:05:52quality and value in those teams right is vulnerability like you go there as an individual
00:05:58with these other hundred guys and like 10 of you will get through it so why do you get that
00:06:04hard
00:06:04yeah why do you get through it you get through it because you link because you hate yourself you don't
00:06:09no you you do yeah yeah I think I'm a it's like yeah it is yeah it's like going to
00:06:14lock derg on a retreat
00:06:15like I did it twice I failed the first time because they're looking for somebody who can
00:06:19like not be the best at everything but be absolutely excellent at doing simple things
00:06:24all the time even when you're absolutely exhausted even when you're absolutely done when you don't
00:06:29want to play when you have a pain in your hole you still can do that do you have to
00:06:33be a bit of a
00:06:34kind of a psychopath absolutely completely like the the madness is embraced in it like we live in a
00:06:40world now where we try and we try and sanitize um our human madness but you need to embrace it
00:06:46sometimes
00:06:46like sometimes that gets you over the line that absolute like you know connection to yourself and other
00:06:52people like it's like a strength you know are you a very goal focused person no i'm not i'm i
00:06:59am
00:06:59kind of a person that if i choose to do something i'll keep going until it gets done yeah that's
00:07:06a
00:07:06goal focused person i you make it sound like i don't necessarily agree right because do you need
00:07:15goals no i don't need goals i fucking sit home and scratch me whole with the best of them like
00:07:20i actually love enjoying relaxing i don't have to be i'm not a hyper person that i have to be
00:07:25doing
00:07:25stuff all the time like i can sit back and let people off and i'll follow them happily like you
00:07:30know
00:07:30at times i'm happy enough but if they're making the balls of it then i might jump in you know
00:07:34yourself
00:07:34have you been in therapy um not in depth um not in depth we used to have army therapists we
00:07:41used to
00:07:41call them the care bears when they'd come in and to give you a little cuddle and tell you everything's
00:07:45all right and they were great even the way you demean it i'm only messing i'm only no i have
00:07:49i
00:07:49i've done i have been in therapy i have um cause like i have not that i had massive issues
00:07:53but like
00:07:55it's the life i chose and like there was a lot of um like if you're dealing with a chaotic
00:08:00environment like you know the aftermath of a truck bomb in afghanistan or you know whatever like
00:08:05shootouts and wherever you are like it you can get through it because you're trained to get through
00:08:10it and you get to the end of it and then that's where that comes at you after the fact
00:08:14it's never
00:08:15during it because your training takes over it comes in it comes in comes in but like yeah i i
00:08:20had a
00:08:20few chats with like different kind of psychologists so you know like bits and pieces yeah do you feel
00:08:25as you were talking there twice now i've had this uh image of people coming back from war like we
00:08:33say the afghanistan thing in a bomb in a truck
00:08:40of what it must be like to you know as you say you're trained to deal with that situation when
00:08:47it
00:08:47happens but then what it must be like arriving back in dublin airport maybe two or three weeks later and
00:08:56you haven't you haven't you're back in a culture that is not acknowledging your experience
00:09:05and
00:09:08that would seem like a tough place you know these no it is let me come back from war and
00:09:11america and you mentioned we started talking the first place you started talking with the americans
00:09:15and everybody else people don't see the irish military like that they see us as like
00:09:20dad's army or something or whatever i don't know like and and i as a younger soldier that used to
00:09:25fucking piss me off no end like because you know i've done four tours in lebanon where fellows have
00:09:29been killed there like saving lives and people are saying ah sure it's only the lebanon you go out there
00:09:34to get like gold and the suntan you know what i mean
00:09:39do you have a lot of anger i don't i'm actually quite a calm person um i've a very kind
00:09:44of unique way not
00:09:45unique i like to train i like to be physically active um my my most important thing that i try
00:09:51and maintain is peace like my head calm composure no i don't always do it like you know second half
00:09:57of the hour in the final being a kirk man sitting in the stand there that wasn't you know i
00:10:01wasn't
00:10:01enjoying that but like i i don't have a lot of anger because i try and work it out of
00:10:07me like when i
00:10:07don't do it then i will you know what i mean so you do have a lot of anger i
00:10:11don't i just i don't
00:10:12allow it you do but you have a lot of anger but you deal with it i i've no more
00:10:15anger than most
00:10:16people like ah like i don't i don't like i i'm actually a very as i discovered like i'm a
00:10:24very kind
00:10:24of people orientated person like i enjoy people i enjoy different cultures i enjoy different people
00:10:30you know me uh are you ever not in control of me anything oh fucking loads of times they joke
00:10:39me
00:10:39yeah lots of times it doesn't i don't mind not being in control because like what can you actually
00:10:44control at the end of the day well i if you can't control anything think about it can you control
00:10:51the situation you can't can you control people you can't what can you actually control
00:10:58are you leading me down a road where i'm going to say yourself of course that's all you can do
00:11:02your
00:11:02actions your attitude your work rate what you do i had a conversation with can you control yourself
00:11:09though ray within reason you can i'm not sure you can you you can a lot i'm not saying it's
00:11:15infallible and you can completely like you get a line or sometimes you don't but i find when i
00:11:20remain in a disciplined environment in myself and i follow my structures and my habits my routines i can
00:11:26stay in more control what would happen if you didn't have those things oh probably not much i might
00:11:32just it's not like they're not going to be up in the a rooftop with a sniper rifle shooting postmen
00:11:37or anything like that that's not how it works i'd go with a Harley instead yeah no but the image
00:11:42came fairly quick to you there yeah i could tell you were thinking that you were you were sending
00:11:45it to me Tommy you were sending it um did you have a sense of or do you have a
00:11:51sense of uh
00:11:55living a slightly more diluted life working with television companies and yeah so like my day-to-day
00:12:02job now is i have a training company and i train i work with teams and people and i've worked
00:12:07in prisons
00:12:08and i've worked with school kids about stress and dealing with like anxiety and when something makes
00:12:14you afraid how you can still do your best like whatever that is for you so like you know and
00:12:20i learned
00:12:20that over years no i haven't all the answers but like i might have the next one if you're not
00:12:25sure
00:12:25about something that i've learned and i don't force it on people it sounds very performance based no it's
00:12:30not performance based at all it's you understanding how things affect you like particularly your emotions
00:12:35because like you might think when i came on i'm some sort of robot do you know what i mean
00:12:39a t800 or
00:12:40whatever but like your emotions are really important and you understand how they affect you you know
00:12:46like because you can't stop them you know they'll come along whether it's anger fear whatever it is
00:12:51and you know like stress they'll all come but you understand what it tastes like when you have them
00:12:57means okay this is what i felt like the last time i can still do this and not letting those
00:13:02emotions
00:13:02decide what you do or completely push it in a direction where you we talked about control where you have
00:13:09no control over yourself so how do you create that distance between the felt emotion and the reaction
00:13:15okay i would say a response because reaction is very you know knee-jerk okay like there's a moment you
00:13:21can win when you have that stress coming at you oh like the thing happening isn't a stress it's what
00:13:26you
00:13:26do or how you see it how you view it is the stress so no matter how bad it can
00:13:31be like you can win
00:13:33that moment that two three seconds you have to decide what you're going to do or how you're going to
00:13:37deal
00:13:37with it it's the fight or flight by willpower no not willpower at all it's by calming yourself like
00:13:42breathing techniques understanding yourself what your assets are who you are why you're doing it
00:13:48your purpose how much you trust yourself there's so much involved in that two seconds of thought
00:13:53you know and that's why i talk about training all the time and the only way i manage
00:13:57calm and composure for me no not all the time doesn't always work is simple breathing techniques
00:14:01a really simple breathing technique where you're almost tricking your body into thinking
00:14:06that it's going to relax soon it's going to either be eating it's going to either be having a
00:14:11rest so you change your breathing techniques so you'd bring into your nose out your mouth i'm sure
00:14:15you've done stuff like that everyone does know there's breathing techniques online there's all these
00:14:19different things you can do but we used to call it tactical breathing in the military and i'll give you
00:14:22a practical example i'm not just like talking bullshit here like i i saw and did that in my career
00:14:28in the
00:14:28military sometimes it worked sometimes it didn't but for me where it worked the most was i mentioned
00:14:35afghanistan i got blown up in afghanistan by a truck bomb once um i was in a building and i
00:14:40was
00:14:40protecting a lot of people 120 people so i had a 20 guy team and we had 120 you know
00:14:46telephone operators
00:14:47sales people engineers living with us so the taliban what they do is they'll drive a vehicle up to your
00:14:53compound they'll detonate a suicide bomber in a vehicle they'll blow in the wall then they'll send in
00:14:59suicide bombers and they'll kill everybody so it was a truck bomb of a ton and a half of tnt
00:15:04it was
00:15:04nice bang off it um i got blown in through the door of my room like it was evening time
00:15:09seven o'clock in
00:15:10a winter's evening um minus seven getting ready to go for dinner just locking me door bang blown into the
00:15:16room lying in there in the dark in the cold right and i talked about training earlier so after initial
00:15:22check and my brain been kind of wobbly for a minute i just kind of refocused and all the stuff
00:15:28i've
00:15:28been doing for the 20 or 30 years before started kicking in so i got all my equipment ready all
00:15:33the
00:15:33simple techniques i do to keep myself composed i'm doing a breathing technique the whole time and
00:15:38getting my gear on my body armor and every fiber in my body wants me to stay in that room
00:15:43and hide
00:15:43under the bed but i have 120 people all over that compound that i have to go out and mind
00:15:49them so that's
00:15:51my job so my breathing technique then my purpose my trust in myself my belief all the stuff
00:15:57that i trained to do over all the years i go out and i do that for the next seven
00:16:02or eight hours
00:16:03what thing most surprised you about being in war zones
00:16:09um the humanity of people how beautiful people aren't the most horrendous of events like you know
00:16:18how kind people are because like people with good spirit like you know good people stay good people
00:16:25you know even when they have nothing when they have nothing left like you know particularly in
00:16:30afghanistan again like the you know people when people talk about afghanistan they talk about like
00:16:35bombs and then the taliban like when i remember afghanistan i spent three years there whatever it was
00:16:40like you know i remember seeing kids like flying kites on the street like that's fucking obliterated you know
00:16:47playing cricket like um playing ball you know they have wedding halls these absolutely like palatial
00:16:54buildings in each kind of block each kind of city block where they celebrate life and being families
00:17:00and weddings and get together in the middle of all this like and like these guys are at war for
00:17:05like 30
00:17:05years i mean everyone's fucking fighting them you know amazing like you just it just humbles it to see it
00:17:11it and you go jesus like the power of people the power of connection yeah the power of community
00:17:16the power of team you know um
00:17:22what most hurt you emotionally in your life what hurt me emotionally in my life the most oh
00:17:38i suppose the thing that hurt me the most emotionally in my life is i was very close to my
00:17:44parents and
00:17:45my mother in particular was a very strong person and when she passed away in 2013 years ago now um
00:17:56like initially it was you know you just go through the motions of this happening but i found for weeks
00:18:01and months after it i could feel the kind of pain of it or something you know i mean it
00:18:07was
00:18:08and my father died a couple years before that and i felt it to a certain extent with him but
00:18:14like
00:18:14with her though and i was trying to make peace of the why and like it was because she has
00:18:19such a profound
00:18:20impact on my life i suppose as a person you know and the way she was and how she conducted
00:18:24herself
00:18:25so yeah that's probably the most emotionally kind of burnt i've been but they've been other things
00:18:31like you know what i mean like you know splitting up with like partners and like that all hurts like
00:18:36it's all painful like isn't it do you feel that there's still a connection between you and your mom
00:18:41oh yeah all the time i feel her all the time like yeah i do like i you know i
00:18:47i suppose like again
00:18:52you know particularly with the maternal side of things like you know you're you're part of that
00:18:56person for a period of time and everyone has different relationships with their parents i get
00:19:00it like but i think for me and my mother in particular like um yeah it just felt like there
00:19:06was always that amazing connection and like i don't feel like i don't go to her grave or anything like
00:19:11that
00:19:11but i feel it from her um when i listen to certain music you know when i eat certain food
00:19:17and sometimes i cook a particular meal so i can do that like and have a particular music on in
00:19:22the
00:19:22background and i just feel it then like i feel it and you're not afraid of feeling that no i
00:19:29actually
00:19:29like it it's like a comfort it's a comfort what do you think is happening there that sense of connection
00:19:39to is it is a connection to an emptiness oh the connection of an emptiness um no i think it's
00:19:48a
00:19:48connection to a familiarity like something that i had all my life with her you know of um this person
00:19:54who had like you know her own struggles and mother loads of kids and tough enough life and was still
00:20:00the kind of person who was very good to people would do good for people would do the right thing
00:20:09you know nearly all of the time now i tried to do that but i didn't to my life of
00:20:15course we're all
00:20:16flawed um but i think like for me it's a familiarity and it's a warmth almost you know and like
00:20:23even
00:20:23when i served away like when i was a young guy you know i'd always ring her no matter where
00:20:28i was in
00:20:29the world like your ma is always your ma i'd always ring her somewhere or there'd be something going on
00:20:33you know what i mean so like she's just a very powerful person like and very kind of um
00:20:41just decent or good or something you know i mean without even trying
00:20:44and like no she'd cut the legs off you don't get me wrong you know but um yeah
00:20:52thank you so much ray for being so open and uh chatting with me yeah it's been great
00:20:59pleasure no absolutely i really enjoyed it thanks yeah you kind of look like pep guardiola everyone
00:21:19welcome back to the second half everybody who's next freddie tommy our next guest is a mano de laundra
00:21:30miyora hello there very nice to meet you great now that's a great name thank you yeah it's a bit
00:21:41of a mouthful i'm trying to you're irish i am yeah i'm half irish and half japanese and i'm a
00:21:50singer
00:21:50a writer i'm mostly working with song people land spirit perhaps uh it's a weird thing i might have
00:22:05been listening to you
00:22:08or reading about you this morning that's a way yeah i'm not sure uh who's who's japanese in your family
00:22:18my father yeah and how did you end up over here or did you didn't okay at all actually really
00:22:24um
00:22:26so i was born in japan and my parents met when my mother was teaching english there
00:22:33and i'd say she was expecting to go somewhere like tokyo or osaka you know big city lights and
00:22:40japan and the booming economy in the 80s but she got stationed in a small village a small town called
00:22:47yamaga where my dad uh is from and and they met and they were together for a few years she
00:22:52came
00:22:53back to ireland she went back over again and they had me eventually and a couple of years after that
00:22:59they parted um so before that we'd come back to ireland uh my mom and i and moved in with
00:23:06my grandparents
00:23:06in clarnie so i'm a carrie woman born in kyushu which was its own thing really in the 90s to
00:23:12be
00:23:13honest with you um but yeah that that's my life that's that's how i'm here and i grew up with
00:23:20my
00:23:20grandparents so although i didn't have my dad in the picture i was raised really by three people
00:23:25so my mom my nana and my granddad nana her parents were were dubs um and she had married and
00:23:33how old
00:23:33were you when you came back two and a half okay yeah two and a half i'd say my dad
00:23:41came over a couple
00:23:42of times but was gone by the time i was four entirely um i think i ran away from being
00:23:50japanese
00:23:52when i did start to become conscious that i was different and that came in different waves like
00:23:58it came in a a kid in a uh playground asking why are you yellow and i'm not yellow no
00:24:07but that's
00:24:08obviously a word that someone's learned at home to associate with someone whose eyes or cheekbones or
00:24:13something are like mine yellow and i think i was of the generation that had this added
00:24:23challenge uh of also being given phones and access to the internet for the first time and yeah
00:24:30unfortunately
00:24:33the exposure that kids my age say from like 11 12 13 onwards would have to asian women was through
00:24:38pornography so i did start to be treated quite differently from there on in by my peers and
00:24:44that was very difficult because i was really ashamed to talk about that at home that's so surprising to
00:24:50hear what and what can you talk about that because i don't understand how they yeah could you tell me
00:24:59that story yeah i suppose there are in that uh ecosystem in that marketplace of of sex and pornography
00:25:12on the internet people tend to be categorized into boxes based on their features asian babes yeah
00:25:20uh that type of thing yeah if that's the only asian person you're seeing doing certain things and
00:25:28there's a whole vocabulary that goes with that it's quite edgy or fun to like throw that out at the
00:25:34asian
00:25:34girl in town right and i wouldn't even know necessarily what some of those words me meant so like i
00:25:43was going
00:25:43home then googling then realizing that that's what they thought when they saw me and i guess from there
00:25:52my protection mechanism was okay i'm going to be militantly irish now um so how old were the people that
00:25:59were shutting this stuff out oh i'd say like anywhere from 13 to 17 18 yeah
00:26:10i i don't have a memory of that happening when i was growing up really of fellas talking like that
00:26:16to
00:26:16girls um and so it's just i mean the lack of respect of it is profound yeah
00:26:28do you like japan i've been there now three times
00:26:33i do like it i went for the first time when i was 22 so that's a 19 year gap
00:26:40and i met my dad that trip as well i went on my own
00:26:49and i don't remember a huge amount of those three weeks because i think i was
00:26:53on such a level of adrenaline and there aren't many people who get to meet a parent for the first
00:27:00time
00:27:00as an adult unless you've been adopted or estranged in some way yeah
00:27:05um so my first interaction with japan was so intense that i had an ephemeral feeling of it being
00:27:15beautiful and i had a feeling that the land was somehow familiar to me in my spirit but other than
00:27:25that of course i didn't have the language or the physical language there's a lot of physicality that
00:27:33goals of being japanese um
00:27:39i'm imagining you meeting your dad and i'm curious as to what that did he invite you over the first
00:27:44time
00:27:45no my granny his mother got in contact with me uh on the internet via another relative so
00:27:56when i was a teenager i started singing and i started making youtube videos of my songs and
00:28:04doing covers and stuff like that and they seemed to have found me i didn't know i didn't know for
00:28:11years that they were watching my videos or had any knowledge of my online presence but i got a message
00:28:16on facebook one day from a lady who said she was my cousin and that my granny had a message
00:28:21for me so
00:28:23that started it and we spoke for a few months and it was really emotional like to know that
00:28:28someone on the other side of the world's been praying for you every day of your life
00:28:31was there a gap in your life that she was filling because you know about like living with your
00:28:40grandparents in in clarney was there a kind of so then finding out that this woman has been thinking
00:28:47about you like did you did you need it i think it gave me permission to explore what it might
00:29:00feel
00:29:00like to also say i'm japanese um because before that when someone would ask me where i'm from
00:29:13i would say i'm irish in in such a strong way that i'd almost be telling them that i don't
00:29:19want
00:29:20this conversation to go any further you know yeah because there's always a follow-up question
00:29:23where are you really from or you don't look irish or like you know um i also think
00:29:32the absence of this source of my japanese-ness in my life yes it definitely created a void
00:29:40but that's almost the well of my work now okay and that has given me an empty especially in things
00:29:48like language or feeling a little bit adrift culturally in ireland that a lot of people struggle
00:29:53with that's given me empathy like this deep well that allows me to talk to people and for example
00:30:01inspire them to move past whatever shame or rejection they're feeling within the irish language
00:30:08um how do you do that um at the moment i'm doing it through songs mostly so i teach online
00:30:18courses to adults four weeks they come and they learn songs in irish but they don't just do that
00:30:24they talk about why they've gotten here to this online class with me and do you get um
00:30:30um do you get people doing double takes yes of you yeah yeah it can be a bit isolating like
00:30:40i sing
00:30:40channels mostly and uh i sing pop music as well like uh fusion hip-hop all that but channels is
00:30:50kind of
00:30:51my musical uh root i love it and i'm always the only person in the room who is ethnically non
00:31:05-caucasian let's say
00:31:06um the girl in my family i lived quite literally with the missing link like my granddad pat who was
00:31:17at
00:31:17home with us was a native speaker from jingle but by the time he was an elderly man he he
00:31:25didn't speak
00:31:25at all and he had very negative associations with the language his kids my mom and her siblings of course
00:31:32did it at school and had a decent level but never kept it up but i think there i had
00:31:39a great um there
00:31:40was people were really receptive uh with support from the arts council i spent a year i did five
00:31:47master classes across different regions and people were very grateful that i was going to all the effort
00:31:53of traveling and meeting people and trying to get down into the roots of something that has been
00:31:59so precious and vulnerable for a long time it might feel like it's exploding now and there's so much
00:32:04interest and and resurgence but it wasn't always like this and things were things have been lost
00:32:11songs have been lost there are far more lyrics surviving than there are melodies
00:32:19um there are many melodies that we don't know and uh but would you be tempted to put melodies on
00:32:26them
00:32:26um people are doing there are great people doing that like zoe conway and um people have done
00:32:31fantastic work uh setting poetry to setting poetry to music again and yeah of course they would be
00:32:38of course they would be i want to write new songs as well you know i we have new stories
00:32:45to tell we have
00:32:45entirely new cultural contexts to preserve and enliven wouldn't that be a thing yeah wouldn't it
00:32:51brand new sean knows it's happening people are doing it every year you know um at the oireachtas and that
00:32:57there's a there's a competition for for newly composed songs in the kind of old style could you sing
00:33:04something for me and maybe explain explain a bit about it as well can't it yeah
00:33:19so i'll give you a few verses of benacht o jane na hina a blessing from the king of friday
00:33:24so from
00:33:25the lord himself it's a song from the blaskets and this one is an immigration song but not in like
00:33:34a deep
00:33:34heavy way it's just like i'm going and there's there's a hint of that there might have even been
00:33:41a breakup uh you know the kind of the everyday reasons that someone might have to leave
00:33:46um and of course the tragedy of saying goodbye but i like it particularly because i think in this
00:33:53moment uh things like migration immigration are such hot and heated topics and sometimes we we want to
00:34:01like over rationalize them or everyone has to have a massive story to go with it but like in this
00:34:09song
00:34:09there's always just been people who've left and wandered and gone for for various reasons from
00:34:15every culture and that's kind of how you end up with people who look like me or or um yeah
00:34:22have an
00:34:22extra flavor added to the world so yeah okay or ginger haired freckledy people in osaka exactly
00:34:31i haven't met them yet but sure i'm sure they're there
00:34:36i haven't met them
00:34:40i haven't met them
00:34:43I'm a man.
00:34:52My.
00:34:55My.
00:34:59My.
00:35:00My.
00:35:01My.
00:35:01My.
00:35:02My.
00:35:15My.
00:35:16My.
00:35:19My.
00:35:22My.
00:35:22My.
00:35:24My.
00:35:24..beg lag om le cun o'f dee.
00:35:29Con mis a huur ter saal isg a brach, brach ni chassig me.
00:35:41Beg me vwinter jis me charde g a cas fyr jeg goll i mig.
00:36:08Coming back into speech.
00:36:11Coming back into here.
00:36:15You also have the wind all.
00:36:17And for me, the wind,
00:36:19my energetic interpretation of that today is like it's a grounding rod in the
00:36:23room it's someone keeping you here in case you you end up off there with the
00:36:27spirits in the middle of the song you know you gotta gotta have someone
00:36:31keeping you here it's a it's a vulnerable place I think and I'm thinking
00:36:37of one concert last year around April in Balloonsgellix in the Parish Hall and I
00:36:43was playing with yeah yeah I was playing with Mike Dowd my friend my
00:36:52former teacher and I was thinking about mothers in Palestine and I was the song
00:37:02is about Jesus and it's as the song is about Mary recognising her own child in
00:37:07agony and I was really like in that emotion in a way that's bigger than my
00:37:18own lived experience in a sense that lived experience is living in the song at that
00:37:22point right and I'm then a conduit for that and I could feel my my limbs
00:37:37like I don't know how to describe being pricked or something throughout that
00:37:41experience throughout the song and like knowing you have to just keep going and
00:37:47and it it's hard to remember to like well first of all give yourself some some
00:37:54cut yourself some slack in that moment but to come back and then like move on to
00:37:58the next song is a little bit hard yeah oh honus oh no that's Mary
00:38:06Mary lamenting to her child is that right yeah it's one of the expressions it's one
00:38:15of the vocalized vocable expressions of grief that's in our keening tradition the
00:38:21old home and but as far as I understand keening was much more ecstatic as well so you
00:38:30might not know what was coming through you it wasn't as regimented that's a keen
00:38:34that's kind of been stylized into a song that we sing now so to to finish up
00:38:41could you give us a blast of it with your mind okay
00:38:47can I hear us
00:38:48can I hear us
00:38:49can I hear us
00:39:06can I hear us
00:39:15Oh, ho ho so home
00:39:24Oh, honey
00:39:28Me but oh, 거예요
00:39:34He's a gun
00:39:40Oh
00:39:42Oh
00:39:58Mission
00:40:26SINGER SINGER
00:40:29And the king is in the sun, and the blue.
00:40:40Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.
00:41:01Now, thank you very much for talking to me and for singing.
00:41:12You're welcome, Tammy.
00:41:15Wow.
00:41:31Welcome back to the third half, everybody.
00:41:33Who's next, Freddie?
00:41:35Tommy, our next guest is Mr. Gilbert O'Sullivan.
00:41:46Wow.
00:41:52How are you getting on?
00:41:53Good.
00:41:54Where are you living these days?
00:41:56The Channel Islands, Jersey.
00:41:58How long have you been there?
00:42:00About 24, 24 years.
00:42:02Do you have a connection with the south coast of Ireland?
00:42:05Am I imagining that south west coast, south east coast?
00:42:07Do you have a Wexford or Wicklow connection?
00:42:10Well, of course I've.
00:42:11Yeah, I mean, watered when I started, when I was born.
00:42:14Yeah.
00:42:14Till I was seven years old.
00:42:15But, of course, we go back to Banclody, go back to Wicklow, Tremor, all those places.
00:42:24I remember listening a lot to you in the, would I be right in saying it was kind of the,
00:42:31in the 80s.
00:42:32Is that, is that, is that, did you have a lot of chart success then?
00:42:37Am I remembering that right?
00:42:40No.
00:42:40No?
00:42:41Okay.
00:42:43No.
00:42:44Well, you kind of, you know, it's, the 70s was primarily the big, the big successful period.
00:42:49The 70s didn't get to nab until the 80s.
00:42:51Okay.
00:42:52Right.
00:42:52Okay.
00:42:53That's your excuse.
00:42:55Okay.
00:42:56Anyway, the 70s was all the success.
00:42:5880s, not so much.
00:43:00How did it happen for you?
00:43:01Do you mind me asking if it's too boring a story for you to tell again?
00:43:05Once I took up songwriting seriously, the publisher of CBS, April Music, really liked the songs.
00:43:12So that got me on the first, I said I wouldn't sign a publishing deal with you unless I get
00:43:17a recording contract.
00:43:19So they hummed and they hawed.
00:43:21When they saw how I wanted to present myself as a singer, they weren't exactly that impressed.
00:43:27They suggested that I wear, let my hair grow, wear what everybody wore in the 60s and 70s, jeans and
00:43:33whatnot.
00:43:34I had made, created a character called Gilbert, based on Charlie Chaplin and Buster Keaton.
00:43:40Cap and boots, putting bass in a haircut, which today is the height of fashion.
00:43:43Yeah, yeah.
00:43:44But in those days, he looked like a freak.
00:43:46So that's the difficulty CBS had, because they would have said, look, Ray, as they knew me,
00:43:52if you drop this image and just wear your jeans, look like James Taylor or somebody, we think you can
00:43:58be successful.
00:43:59But if you maintain this image that you want, we're not going to do much with you.
00:44:04But they realised that dropping me, they'd miss out on the songs.
00:44:09So they said, because we love the songs, we'll give you a recording contract.
00:44:12So they gave me a contract for a couple of singles a year.
00:44:16And what did you do in terms of how you looked?
00:44:19Well, that was the key factor. I told you, I based, I created a character called Gilbert.
00:44:23No, but did you go their way in terms of...
00:44:25Changing, of course not.
00:44:27Good man.
00:44:27No, no, no, not in a million years.
00:44:30It's, it's...
00:44:30But they weren't the first company to not like what I was in.
00:44:34Nobody liked how I looked.
00:44:36And I loved how I looked, because I just dared to be different.
00:44:40But yeah, I figured at this point, maybe what I should do, try and seek a top manager.
00:44:44Yeah.
00:44:44This would be like 68, 69.
00:44:46So the manager at the top of the list for solo singers was Gordon Mills,
00:44:50who managed Tom Jones and Enkowitz Hummering.
00:44:52Now, I didn't want to be like them.
00:44:54I wasn't that type of singer.
00:44:56I had pictures of my image, and I had my songs and my little tape.
00:45:00And so I sent them to him.
00:45:02So I was, yeah, that was the moment.
00:45:04Then he took over.
00:45:06That meant I could make a really good record and release my first album.
00:45:13The thing is, I never saw success wanting the world to be like a David Bowie,
00:45:18to conquer the world.
00:45:19I just wanted to...
00:45:20I was living in England.
00:45:22Ireland was close to me.
00:45:23So I wanted to have a success in England and Ireland.
00:45:26That's all I really wanted.
00:45:28I didn't look to Europe and stuff.
00:45:29Were you ever, after that initial moment, were you ever...
00:45:35Did you ever have doubts about what you were doing?
00:45:37No.
00:45:38Really?
00:45:38No.
00:45:39In the mid-70s, with Gordon, my manager, became a slight problem.
00:45:44Because by mid-70s, the success was not so high.
00:45:48It was dropping down a bit, which is quite natural.
00:45:50And I hadn't lost that ambition to continue to make...
00:45:54You know, I felt that we could still do more better.
00:45:57Gordon then, by this time, had other interests.
00:46:00He had a private zoo with gorillas and tigers,
00:46:03amongst other things, in his garden.
00:46:06So that was occupying a lot of his time.
00:46:08Can't hide the profits forever.
00:46:10Right.
00:46:13So, you know, he was spending more time in America.
00:46:16And I felt that, you know, the classic thing was,
00:46:20I said to him that there are artists like Rod Stewart
00:46:22who are working with American producers.
00:46:24Why not let me work with them?
00:46:26You're still my manager.
00:46:28Let me work with another producer,
00:46:29because he produced my records as well as managing me.
00:46:32And he wouldn't go for that.
00:46:34And I really was determined that to get more success,
00:46:38that's what we needed to do.
00:46:40So when I couldn't convince him of this by mid-70s,
00:46:44I broke up with him,
00:46:45which I thought would be the expression,
00:46:51it wouldn't be a bad breakup.
00:46:54It would be acceptable.
00:46:57I remember shaking hands with him
00:46:58when I told him that that's it.
00:47:03But it wasn't, of course.
00:47:04But that was a time when it was very different.
00:47:10The belief was still there,
00:47:11but the circumstances of working with new people
00:47:14was going to be something I had to face
00:47:16if I was successful in the breakup with my manager.
00:47:19So what did you do?
00:47:20Did you go to America?
00:47:22At that point?
00:47:23No.
00:47:24At that point I had to go to court.
00:47:28Because of the work with him?
00:47:30Well, because of him, yeah.
00:47:32Because when...
00:47:35Again, these little things are very important
00:47:37because I get upset when I read articles that say
00:47:39all I was interested in was money and stuff.
00:47:42But when Gordon signed me,
00:47:44I had been promised from the publishing company
00:47:47that they would give me a small company
00:47:49which I would co-own
00:47:51as opposed to just being signed as a writer.
00:47:53If you're signed as a writer,
00:47:55the publisher's 100%
00:47:56and you just get your writer's payments.
00:47:59So what was being offered was
00:48:00to give you a little company
00:48:02where you get a little bit of the publishing
00:48:03as well as your writer's share.
00:48:04It was brand new.
00:48:06So I thought, that's great for me
00:48:07because I had two more years left of my agreement
00:48:10with the publisher.
00:48:11And Gordon said to me,
00:48:13you're not going to get it now,
00:48:14but if you're successful,
00:48:15I'll give it to you.
00:48:17Right?
00:48:17So the years went by,
00:48:1972, 73, massive success.
00:48:21I would occasionally say to Gordon,
00:48:22any news on my little publishing company and stuff?
00:48:25I said, don't worry,
00:48:25you're going to get it and stuff.
00:48:26Years go by, another year back.
00:48:28I would drop hints and say,
00:48:30any news on the...
00:48:31It's all going to be happening.
00:48:33When we broke up,
00:48:34I might shake hands with him
00:48:35and I left his home
00:48:36thinking it was an amicable split.
00:48:38That's the word I was looking for.
00:48:40Amicable.
00:48:41I said to him,
00:48:42do I still get...
00:48:42Will I still get my little small company?
00:48:45He said, yeah,
00:48:45you go into the office.
00:48:47This is the weekend.
00:48:49Go into the office on Monday
00:48:49and Bill Smith,
00:48:50his chairman of the company,
00:48:53they'll do a sort out for you.
00:48:54Great.
00:48:55Check hands with him.
00:48:56I saw a government with my wife
00:48:57on the Monday.
00:48:58Walked in,
00:48:59the head of the board,
00:49:00the chairman of the company was there
00:49:02and said,
00:49:03you know,
00:49:03you're not going to have anything.
00:49:05You're not going to have anything.
00:49:07So,
00:49:08I then had to decide what to do.
00:49:10So,
00:49:11all my business had been looked after
00:49:13by MEM lawyers and all that stuff.
00:49:15I had no experience of any of that.
00:49:17So, I needed a lawyer.
00:49:19And what I thought would be just a case
00:49:22about the little interest for me,
00:49:24it became a whole can of worms
00:49:25which lasted two,
00:49:28nearly three years.
00:49:30What was the outcome of it?
00:49:31I won it.
00:49:33You said that like a mafia boss.
00:49:36Well,
00:49:37I have to make it clear
00:49:38that I fought really hard.
00:49:41Yeah.
00:49:41And I deserved
00:49:42to be able to express it in that way
00:49:44because it was a very painful experience.
00:49:47You want to go to court?
00:49:48Who wants to go to court?
00:49:50Thinking that maybe,
00:49:51or if I have to go to court,
00:49:52it might be over in a day,
00:49:52but this is going on for weeks.
00:49:54So,
00:49:55you won the court case,
00:49:56so you were then given
00:49:57a small publishing company?
00:49:59Well,
00:49:59I was given all the publishing.
00:50:01I was given all their publishing.
00:50:02I was given everything.
00:50:03You were given the...
00:50:04The record,
00:50:05I was given the whole thing.
00:50:07The rights to your songs?
00:50:08Everything,
00:50:08100%.
00:50:09So people might not understand
00:50:10that if you own the publishing,
00:50:13you're entitled to whatever
00:50:16that publishing earns.
00:50:17When it's owned by a company,
00:50:18you might get 10 or 15% of it
00:50:20or something,
00:50:20but you own it all now.
00:50:21Yeah.
00:50:22Wow.
00:50:22I wasn't looking for that.
00:50:24I was given all my masters,
00:50:25all my recordings,
00:50:26which they owned because they made,
00:50:28were all given to me.
00:50:29I'm blessed with that
00:50:31because to this day,
00:50:32it becomes very lucrative.
00:50:35for people involved with me.
00:50:39Wow.
00:50:39That's a fortunate constant
00:50:43to have in your life,
00:50:44isn't it?
00:50:45That the publishing
00:50:46has all the time
00:50:47been earning something
00:50:49over the years.
00:50:49That's a wonderful thing to have.
00:50:51Yeah, it's incredible.
00:50:51The rights to that.
00:50:52Yeah.
00:50:52Absolutely.
00:50:54Are you able to look back
00:50:55on parts of your career
00:50:56and kind of go,
00:50:57well, I always made an effort,
00:50:58but maybe for those few years,
00:51:01the angel of inspiration
00:51:02wasn't on my shoulder.
00:51:04No, because it can't have been there
00:51:07because I've never had that,
00:51:08what do they call it,
00:51:10when you have a...
00:51:12Like a muse.
00:51:15It's when you can't write.
00:51:16Or writer's block.
00:51:18Writer's block.
00:51:18I've never suffered from that.
00:51:20So I've never had the experience
00:51:22of losing.
00:51:23What I might have,
00:51:25you know,
00:51:25I'm 79 years of age now,
00:51:27how much longer
00:51:27do I want to continue?
00:51:29Irvin Boleyn
00:51:29was 100 when he stopped writing.
00:51:33If I felt that
00:51:35I just wanted to stop,
00:51:37then,
00:51:38or if I couldn't write,
00:51:40you know,
00:51:40it's possible,
00:51:41you never know,
00:51:42and maybe I'll lose it.
00:51:43Then I would just,
00:51:45I love to walk.
00:51:46You know,
00:51:46we've got my family,
00:51:47so we'd take trips together
00:51:49and stuff.
00:51:49So I didn't, you know,
00:51:50have a good time.
00:51:51The only thing I can really
00:51:54compare what you do is,
00:51:55say,
00:51:56stuff that I have,
00:51:57not to the same level,
00:51:58but,
00:51:59you know,
00:51:59that buzz of starting off
00:52:02and getting recognition,
00:52:05and feeling,
00:52:06okay,
00:52:06geez,
00:52:06I am able to do this.
00:52:09Then,
00:52:10people come out of nowhere
00:52:11and they're so much more successful.
00:52:17Are those familiar feelings to you?
00:52:20Well,
00:52:20they're,
00:52:21I'm aware of them,
00:52:22very conscious of the business.
00:52:23I mean,
00:52:24I want,
00:52:24I mean,
00:52:25it's always disgruntled.
00:52:26I've always been dismayed a little
00:52:27by the serious music press.
00:52:30Don't have no interest in me
00:52:31because of how I looked.
00:52:32It's the image I created
00:52:33that hurt me
00:52:34badly
00:52:34for credibility.
00:52:36The credibility factor
00:52:37was rife with me
00:52:38because very few
00:52:40music magazines
00:52:41that,
00:52:41that,
00:52:42that wrote,
00:52:43wrote about songwriters
00:52:45and songwriting
00:52:45and stuff,
00:52:46weren't interested in me
00:52:48because,
00:52:49you know,
00:52:49what I represented,
00:52:50they hated.
00:52:52And so,
00:52:52I can understand that.
00:52:53I mean,
00:52:53I could have,
00:52:55been on their side
00:52:56if I had given up the image
00:52:57early on and stuff.
00:52:58Oh,
00:52:58what do you think you represented?
00:53:00Hmm?
00:53:00What do you think you represented?
00:53:02What I represented was,
00:53:03I have no interest anyway,
00:53:04you know.
00:53:06Well,
00:53:06again,
00:53:07I'm not going into what other people
00:53:08were thinking,
00:53:09but I was conscious of it.
00:53:10I'm just aware of it.
00:53:11How,
00:53:12little interest there was in me
00:53:13as a songwriter
00:53:14and as a,
00:53:15as an artist and stuff.
00:53:17But,
00:53:17and I've worked hard to change that
00:53:19and I've actually done very well
00:53:20in doing that.
00:53:21Nineties and two thousands
00:53:23up to here in two,
00:53:24twenty,
00:53:24twenty-five,
00:53:25twenty-six.
00:53:25I've got to a stage now
00:53:27where the credibility
00:53:28is creeping in.
00:53:29The reviews I'm getting
00:53:30from my albums
00:53:30are there when they never were.
00:53:32So,
00:53:33that,
00:53:33that's a positive thing.
00:53:35It,
00:53:35it's a,
00:53:36and it's good that that's happening
00:53:37because I'm very active
00:53:38wanting to perform,
00:53:40wanting to write,
00:53:41wanting to record.
00:53:42So,
00:53:42it's good that there's an aspect
00:53:43of the business
00:53:44which are,
00:53:46you know,
00:53:46allowing me back in.
00:53:48What,
00:53:49what are they saying about you?
00:53:49Well,
00:53:50just,
00:53:50just a crap artist and stuff.
00:53:52You know,
00:53:52he's,
00:53:53well,
00:53:53I mean,
00:53:54you know,
00:53:54the articles are there in papers
00:53:55that I tend not to.
00:53:56No, no,
00:53:57I mean,
00:53:57when you said the good reviews now.
00:53:59Yeah.
00:53:59What do the good reviews say about the songs?
00:54:01Well,
00:54:01they're giving,
00:54:02they're rating the songs.
00:54:03So,
00:54:04they're giving me praise for my songwriting.
00:54:06And I'm happy with that.
00:54:08It's nice to be,
00:54:11you know,
00:54:11it's nice to be appreciated.
00:54:15Success in America and Australia.
00:54:18What was that like?
00:54:19Incredible.
00:54:20again,
00:54:20the interesting thing was going back to what I said about wanting to be a success in England and Ireland.
00:54:25That,
00:54:25for me,
00:54:25was a dream.
00:54:26Here I was in 1972 with six weeks number one in America.
00:54:30The record company are just,
00:54:32they're floating on air.
00:54:33They're seeing cheques coming in for a million pounds.
00:54:35And I'm at home in,
00:54:37in,
00:54:38in,
00:54:40Weybridge,
00:54:41where I lived.
00:54:42And,
00:54:43yeah,
00:54:43okay,
00:54:44I'm,
00:54:44you know,
00:54:45am I going to go to America?
00:54:46And,
00:54:47yeah,
00:54:47you've got to go to America,
00:54:48because I hadn't gone before.
00:54:49Yeah.
00:54:50And so I'm,
00:54:51you know,
00:54:51it's not that I'm,
00:54:54not liking it.
00:54:55I mean,
00:54:55I,
00:54:55yeah,
00:54:56it's,
00:54:56what is this?
00:54:57Okay,
00:54:58so I have to go to America?
00:54:59Okay.
00:54:59No concerts,
00:55:00obviously,
00:55:00because I haven't done that much concert-wise.
00:55:04So I go to America to do TV,
00:55:07and I,
00:55:07and I get nominated for three Grammys.
00:55:09And it's,
00:55:10it's,
00:55:11it's,
00:55:12a Dean Martin show.
00:55:13We sang a duet together,
00:55:15and he,
00:55:15I don't think he looked at me once.
00:55:17I was on major shows and doing chat shows.
00:55:19Johnny Carson and,
00:55:20Yeah,
00:55:20those kind of things,
00:55:21doing all those and stuff.
00:55:22And did nobody ever say to you,
00:55:24look,
00:55:25it's great that these massive cheques are coming in,
00:55:28for album sales,
00:55:29but there's,
00:55:30you know,
00:55:30there's Led Zeppelin stuff to be earned,
00:55:32if you will go out and perform live,
00:55:35uh,
00:55:36and do big arenas.
00:55:37Was that ever,
00:55:39uh,
00:55:40an option for you?
00:55:41No,
00:55:41it couldn't have been an option for me.
00:55:43It would have been an option if,
00:55:44if I was having major success now.
00:55:46I have,
00:55:47success now,
00:55:48the albums chart.
00:55:49All the albums of recent times have charted,
00:55:51whereas the ones in the last ten years didn't chart.
00:55:53They were released,
00:55:55reviews became good in the last ten years,
00:55:57so the albums are charting.
00:55:59So,
00:56:00I would,
00:56:01you know,
00:56:01the first arena show I'll ever do,
00:56:03would be the one I do in Dublin in October.
00:56:05You're kidding me.
00:56:06Yeah.
00:56:07You're kidding me.
00:56:07That'll be my first,
00:56:08uh,
00:56:10yeah.
00:56:10And that's gonna be,
00:56:11uh,
00:56:12something special.
00:56:14But I'm,
00:56:14I'm,
00:56:15I couldn't do those in the UK,
00:56:17yet.
00:56:17I couldn't do them,
00:56:18certainly not in Europe or America.
00:56:20I,
00:56:20I could try and work up to it,
00:56:23because if I'm getting it in Dublin,
00:56:24the likelihood is that by next year,
00:56:27if this album is,
00:56:28as successful as we'd like it to be,
00:56:30could be that the next stage from going,
00:56:31from 2000,
00:56:33a Cedar would be to arenas and stuff.
00:56:35It can happen.
00:56:36It's there in our minds.
00:56:39And are you,
00:56:41excited about putting in the work that would,
00:56:43Yeah.
00:56:44About,
00:56:44really,
00:56:45all the promo work?
00:56:46Yeah, because I know how different it will be,
00:56:47on stage for the arena.
00:56:49Wow.
00:56:51All,
00:56:51everything's gonna be brought in there.
00:56:53Well,
00:56:54I heard when Dylan was there,
00:56:55they had a bloody wonderful curtain.
00:56:57Yeah, yeah.
00:56:57A gorgeous curtain.
00:56:58Big red thing.
00:56:58I said to our people,
00:57:00make sure the curtain's there.
00:57:02And so,
00:57:02so,
00:57:03yeah,
00:57:03it's exciting,
00:57:04because we'll be able to,
00:57:05I'm not working with the drummer,
00:57:06we'll probably bring the drummer back,
00:57:08string quartet,
00:57:08we might bring back.
00:57:09I think the song we have on the new album
00:57:11with a bit of a choir,
00:57:12we might bring the choir out to do that.
00:57:14So,
00:57:15we can do that with an arena show.
00:57:17It's not about money,
00:57:18it's about being able to,
00:57:19just present yourself bigger.
00:57:21So,
00:57:21I'm excited about that.
00:57:23Erm,
00:57:24when is the show on?
00:57:25The,
00:57:25I mean,
00:57:26that's incredible.
00:57:27The arena show,
00:57:28October.
00:57:28October.
00:57:29That's,
00:57:31what an adventure.
00:57:32Well, yeah,
00:57:33maybe you should come along and see us.
00:57:34I should.
00:57:35I've never played in an arena.
00:57:37That's a great adventure.
00:57:39Erm,
00:57:40do I call you Gilbert or Ray?
00:57:41Either or.
00:57:43Either or,
00:57:43either or,
00:57:44I don't mind.
00:57:44Okay.
00:57:45Erm,
00:57:47it's been a pleasure talking to you.
00:57:48Yeah, it's been interesting for me,
00:57:49Tom,
00:57:50I enjoyed it too.
00:57:52Erm,
00:57:53and,
00:57:56it's encouraging and exciting that there's still adventure to be had.
00:57:59Absolutely,
00:58:00and I'll see you in October.
00:58:01Thank you very much.
00:58:02Yeah,
00:58:02I've enjoyed it too.
00:58:04Erm,
00:58:05and now ladies and gentlemen,
00:58:06all the way from Clare Island,
00:58:08it's Niall McCabe performing his current single,
00:58:10The Heart Remembers.
00:58:16Take me back,
00:58:21back over,
00:58:25over the ocean,
00:58:30the ocean white,
00:58:35for wild and white it is,
00:58:40a man's emotion.
00:58:44When fate has forced him from heartbound home,
00:58:52the heart remembers,
00:58:58as morning embers,
00:59:01all by the sun in the storm,
00:59:06all by the sun in the storm.
00:59:07I walked back to the dawn,
00:59:12and so enroving,
00:59:17and always going,
00:59:21I lay the ways to get home again.
00:59:56PIANO PLAYS
01:00:26PIANO PLAYS
01:00:28PIANO PLAYS
01:00:29But use reflection and recollection
01:00:36Is still her waters and her false revolve
01:00:43So take me back
01:00:49Back over
01:00:53Over the ocean
01:00:57The ocean white
01:01:03For a while and white
01:01:07A man's emotion
01:01:13When fate has forced him
01:01:17From our thunder
01:01:54A man's emotion
01:01:57A man's emotion
01:02:13A man's emotion
01:02:14A man's emotion
01:02:32A man's emotion
01:02:32A man's emotion
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