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00:22Hello and welcome to Offsiders, I'm Abbie Jelmy.
00:25For the second year running, a clash between teenage sensation Gout Gout and local
00:29rival Lachlan Kennedy has lit up Australia's premier athletics meet.
00:34Last year, Kennedy upstaged the 18-year-old in the 200-metre final at the Morrie Plant
00:39meet in Melbourne.
00:40But last night, heavy rain and a sellout crowd made for a cinematic finish.
00:46What will happen, we know what happened last year, none of us really know, we just know
00:51we are in the sport at its very best, men's 200.
00:54He holds every record from under 16, 18, 20 and open, it is Gout.
01:02Please welcome back to the main stage, Lachlan Kennedy!
01:11Away, Gout got a pretty good start, Kennedy's out fast and he's quickly up to him and Richardson's
01:17away well.
01:18Gout's got a lot to do here.
01:20Kennedy leads into the straight from Richardson, Gout's two metres away.
01:23Kennedy with this big lead, Gout won't get to him at the moment, we've been here before.
01:29Kennedy in front, Gout coming hard, hard, hard.
01:32We've seen it before and he's done it again.
01:35He's brilliant, he really is.
01:38And Gout acknowledges the fact that at the moment, Lachie is the number one.
01:47The dulcet tones of Bruce McEvaney to start your Sunday, what could be better?
01:51It's a pleasure to have your company.
01:52It's also a pleasure to have the company of our panel.
01:54As always, I'm joined by Bratz and Derayson, Rebecca Allen, joining us, WNBA superstar
01:58and, well, everyone's a superstar here, Waleed, it's always a pleasure to see you.
02:02This rivalry, it's come at a pretty special time, right?
02:05It's hard to imagine this much interest in Australian athletics without it.
02:08Oh, absolutely.
02:09I mean, there is a lot going on in Australian athletics, which we haven't really had before.
02:13That's part of the story.
02:14I know Gout's an international sensation now, but you're talking about a figure in a success-starved country
02:21when it comes to athletics.
02:22So that's part of the story.
02:23But you're right about it coming at a good time, I think, because he's so young.
02:28And maybe it's a good thing for him to be beaten a couple of times and a lid to be
02:32kind of put on it.
02:33I mean, he seems like a fairly grounded sort of a kid.
02:35I don't want to say he would lose his mind necessarily.
02:37But it's great for him to have a carrot that he's got to chase.
02:41And he can't actually say he's the champ, even though everyone treats him that way.
02:45I think that's a really good part of it.
02:46Poor Lachie Kennedy, by the way.
02:47I know.
02:49And he's only 22.
02:50We should, like, you know.
02:51In any other circumstance, we're all chips in.
02:54Instead, Lachie Kennedy wins and we all go, oh, okay.
02:56Yeah.
02:57I mean, well done.
02:58Exactly.
02:58But you have to beat the kid that we're all hoping is going to light it up.
03:00I know.
03:01What a disappointment.
03:02And Bruce was right, though, the way he called that, that we've seen this before.
03:06So it was almost a direct replay of the last time.
03:08And I think one of the encouraging things for Gaut Gaut about that is that he's clearly
03:13got the withering speed.
03:14No one can match his speed.
03:15It's the start.
03:16And we've seen that with Usain Bolt.
03:18And maybe Usain Bolt never quite got over that, although he did okay.
03:21He did alright.
03:22But there's something there that he can work on that he can fix.
03:25And then once that's done, he's more or less unstoppable.
03:28And you say he seems like a pretty balanced kid.
03:30I mean, he has, when he burst onto the scene, literally been a child that's been taking out
03:34national records.
03:35We know now that he's finished school, Beck, so he can actually focus solely on training.
03:39But is there a worry when there's this much pressure and this much attention on someone
03:42so young?
03:42I mean, the way it seems like he's embraced it.
03:44And also the nation has embraced him as well.
03:46And I think that's pretty special.
03:47So you feel that you've really got the support of everyone.
03:50But that has to be a bit of a looming pressure for him, especially at the starting blocks
03:54every race.
03:54But I think that's the way that he's embracing it.
03:57And he's also, when he has had a loss like he's just had, that's not the determining factor
04:01for him.
04:01You can just see that, hey, this is the beginning for him.
04:03And he's embracing that part of it for sure.
04:05And there is a swarm of media that come for him immediately after the race.
04:10And then the fans all come because they all want a little bit of a piece of him.
04:13But I think something that's really lovely about this rivalry and it's one that we hope
04:16goes on for a very long time is just the level of respect they seem to have for each other
04:20and also the appreciation that it is happening at the same time.
04:23And they both spoke to the media after the match.
04:26I was pretty fried, so I knew I had to hit it hard and just pray.
04:30Just pray and hold on and I was able to do it tonight.
04:33But yeah, as you can tell, I'm pretty cooked.
04:35I mean, every time we race, it's like cinema.
04:37So, yeah, I'm loving it.
04:40Today he got the W, but you know, next time I'll be better for sure.
04:43We're one of the good friends of mine.
04:44So, I mean, congratulations to him, but I'll be back for sure.
04:48You can't help but smile when you're watching that as well.
04:50I think everyone just lit up and I love that he's been getting around with a Vegemite toast
04:54around his neck that's in black diamonds.
04:56So he's got the swagger to line it up.
04:58But Brat, you've covered teenage prodigies that get a lot of attention for a while as well.
05:03Pretty much ever since Sachin Tendulkar made his debut at 16 in 1989, India was in this
05:10quest of finding the next Tendulkar.
05:12And I've seen a lot of prodigies in my time watching cricket and then covering cricket in
05:17India just fall by the wayside.
05:20And very, very few just come up to that Sachin level or somewhere close to him.
05:25And there's a kid right now in the IPL, Vaibhav Suryawanshi, who celebrated a very big birthday two days ago,
05:31turned 15.
05:32Yes.
05:33And he's already worth over a million dollars.
05:35And the attention that he gets from 1.4 billion people and he's yet to play international cricket for India.
05:41And the question being asked there is not whether he's ready for world cricket.
05:45It's more the other way around.
05:46Is world cricket ready for Vaibhav Suryawanshi?
05:48And I think the difference we used to see in India between why Sachin made it and a lot of
05:55others didn't is his family.
05:58And it often comes down to the support system you have around you.
06:01Sachin Tendulkar had a father who made sure that he stayed humble throughout.
06:06And I think that really helped him.
06:07And you would remember, Walid, there was Vinod Kamli who came along with Sachin Tendulkar.
06:12They had a world record school partnership in the late 1980s.
06:15And I've interviewed Vinod Kamli.
06:16Poor guy.
06:18His career and his life have gone the other direction.
06:20And he didn't have the support system that Sachin did.
06:24And Gaud Gaud definitely seems to have.
06:25But I think it's an expectation that Indians would be so engaged in cricket.
06:29We know about this.
06:30Whereas I think it's a bit unique that we're seeing Australians so engaged in track and field.
06:34And, you know, you've got the great Bruce McEvaney saying this is Cathy-esque in terms of the timeline as
06:39well
06:39when you're looking forward to an Olympics.
06:41And Australian athletics does feel like it's in a bit of a purple patch at the moment as well.
06:45Last night, it was Claudia Hollingsworth who beat British Olympic bronze medalist Georgia Hunter Bell in the 1500 metres.
06:51And earlier in the night, Cam Myers streeted the field in the men's 1500 metres.
06:56He was a good 50 metres ahead of them in the end.
06:59And Olympic pole vault champion Nina Kennedy, she's back after a bit of a stretch.
07:02And as we said, she wanted a canter and said, look, I'm just prepping myself for Europe.
07:07Well, it would be terrible to have a Comm Games in Australia right now, wouldn't it?
07:11Given all of these circumstances that we're seeing.
07:13I'm so glad we've dodged that bullet.
07:14I'm so glad we're playing millions of dollars to not have a Commonwealth Games that we can enjoy the spoils.
07:21But I think again, we all do know that we have an Olympic campaign coming to Australia very soon.
07:25So there is an excitement.
07:26Well, it's great to have some athletics excitement because it is the centrepiece of these major events.
07:30And I know as an Australian who's been watching the Olympics my whole life, for example, or the Comm Games.
07:35Comm Games are a bit different, but it's kind of like, well, the first week is great because we have
07:38the swimming and we win stuff.
07:39And then the second week we just watch all the other countries start to, you know, we're ahead of the
07:43US and then we're not.
07:46So to have excitement in the main event, let's face it, that's the Olympics.
07:50The thought of having a real live chance in the 100 metre and the glamour event of the Games at
07:57home with a local Queenslander is something that's why we're all chips in.
08:00Yes.
08:01And we've got two Queenslanders that seem to be doing well.
08:03Yeah.
08:03And I take the point about Cathy Esk, but also Cathy, you know, when it came to Sydney, she was
08:09at the top of the sport.
08:10Yes.
08:11Yeah, it's not at that point yet. So you just hope that it's not a fragile situation where you get
08:17this, the sort of Tendulkar successes situation.
08:20And maybe the benefit is that we are not in our bones in athletics country.
08:24Like being a rising cricket star in India, how do you do that?
08:28I think we're not in our bones in athletics country because we like winning.
08:31Yeah.
08:32And we don't win enough to be, and maybe this will be, this will be the change.
08:36Yes.
08:36And sometimes it does just take that one star for everyone to get excited.
08:40So again, it was just wonderful to see a sold out Murray Plant meet and hopefully a lot more to
08:44come.
08:44But we're going to move on now to the basketball and the NBL grand final series is a promoters dream.
08:51The finish to game two between the Kings and the 36ers on Friday night had to be seen to be
08:56believed in the aftermath was just as entertaining.
08:59Now the best players in the league, we're talking Bryce Cotton and Kendrick Davis, were going at each other on
09:04the court.
09:04While Kings assistant coach Andrew Bogan and the 36ers owner Grant Kelly were having a Barney off it, there was
09:09madness everywhere.
09:10Let's have a look at the closing seconds.
09:16James is the villain.
09:19James is the villain.
09:19Gets to the basket, misses out.
09:21Nikosovic hits it to Cotton.
09:23For the win.
09:24Cotton.
09:25Scores.
09:28Unbelievable.
09:32Did he get it off Jack?
09:35I think he did.
09:36I believe he did.
09:37A big play there by Bryce Cotton.
09:41Here goes.
09:41Coke to Coke.
09:43Kendrick Davis.
09:43And now it starts to get really serious between Kendrick Davis and Bryce Cotton.
09:50Wow.
09:51That escalated quick.
09:54I know there's been weather warnings in Perth.
09:56There should have been an earthquake warning in Adelaide where that entire crowd absolutely lost their mind, Bec.
10:01This is, what is it with the NBL and just having these unbelievable championship series?
10:05I mean, it's incredible for the sport, that's for sure.
10:08But I mean, I hate my words.
10:09I thought that Sydney were going to win in three.
10:11So I'm going back with, I mean, especially after that first game.
10:14Yeah, that first game, they just blew them out, had control from start to finish.
10:17But this game, there was so many ebbs and flows.
10:19You saw, you know, Adelaide always came back, but then there'd be a 10 point deficit.
10:23But it's really that end point of the game.
10:25You know, Bryce Cotton, he's a legend of the game and he's proving himself why every game and in such
10:30big moments as well.
10:31So he's an absolute star.
10:32But you just saw that interaction that we just saw before between KD and Bryce Cotton and you just question
10:38sportsmanship.
10:39In my opinion, you question that just a little bit.
10:42It's great for the game because it gets everyone up and about, but it's not part of how we are
10:46as Australians.
10:47And so that's why I think we go, oh, you know, what was said, whereas that's why I think that...
10:51I do wonder, what do you think maybe, because we know that KD came out and he was very upset
10:55with the MVP voting of which Cotton has now almost won it as many times as Andrew Gates himself, who's
11:01the medals named after.
11:02Yeah.
11:02So he has been a prolific winner.
11:04And KD essentially came out and said, I want to see the votes.
11:06I want to see how this system works.
11:07Yes.
11:08I didn't know that it was a personal beef until after the game last night.
11:12No one did.
11:12No one did.
11:12They said that they're supporters of each other.
11:14And I do believe, ultimately, just like Bryce Cotton said, it's playoffs basketball.
11:17So it's intense and emotions are high.
11:20But, I mean, KD definitely thought that he should be the MVP.
11:23He's wanting to prove that.
11:24And he's saying, you know, it's coming down to three wins.
11:26That's what that three is in France.
11:27That's what I'm...
11:27That's how I interpreted it.
11:29I don't know.
11:29It's not just about them.
11:30It's also about Adelaide, right?
11:31Yeah, right.
11:32And his relationship to Adelaide.
11:33Oh, absolutely.
11:34I don't know.
11:35I mean, I get the thing about the...
11:37Is that the Australian way?
11:38I think that falls into the category of things in sport we definitely do not slash definitely do want to
11:44see.
11:44Yes.
11:45A hundred percent.
11:46We say we don't want to see it.
11:47And yet we'll absolutely put it up in life.
11:49Everyone is smiling when they're watching that.
11:51Because ultimately what you want is some sense of the stakes being high.
11:56The gladiatorial contest.
11:57And then the timing of this.
12:00I've seen a lot of basketball matches.
12:01I've seen a lot of incredible finishes.
12:03I don't know if I've seen one better than that.
12:05Well, let's have a look at it again and keep your eyes at home on the clock.
12:08Because the fact that Bryce Cotton made the turn and thought I can actually take this on is just unbelievable
12:12and such a testament to him.
12:14Here he is running the entire lane and bang.
12:18Yeah, and it's the clock.
12:20It is the clock.
12:20So there's some amazing slow motion vision.
12:22Watch the clock in the top left corner there.
12:24Someone definitely has to blow that up, right?
12:27Yeah.
12:27That's got to be somewhere in his man cave.
12:29So it leaves his hand with point two of a second to go.
12:32And by the time the ball's in the basket, time's gone.
12:34That's how, like if you tweaked the rules of basketball that they lose or they don't win.
12:40It's a draw.
12:41It's overtime.
12:42It's extraordinary that you could have that situation.
12:44And who else was it going to be?
12:46Of course.
12:47Of course.
12:47And he did speak after the match.
12:49Let's have a listen.
12:50I mean, I just wanted us to get the rebound.
12:53I've seen we had three seconds, which is more time than I thought.
12:56And I tried to put my 40-yard dash to the test.
13:00There was a bit of a skirmish there with KD at the end.
13:02Did he say something?
13:03Can you tell us anything?
13:05It's playoff basketball.
13:07It certainly is.
13:08And game three is tonight.
13:10And I think everyone is just going to be glued to their screens going, get the popcorn out.
13:13Because it would be blockbuster either way.
13:15And I just love that we've got a bit of a stoush even happening off the court between some of
13:19the big names.
13:19There's just a lot going on here.
13:21And Bharat, you've got a bit of inside mail because you're on the plane with the 36ers on the way
13:24over.
13:25I know.
13:25After all of that, the 36ers didn't even get priority security line checking.
13:31I saw a few of them walk towards it and they were shown the other way.
13:36They said, like, go and get in with the general boarding, like people like me.
13:40I also do general boarding, by the way, Abi.
13:43You'd be surprised.
13:43I am very surprised.
13:44But someone who I don't think would do general boarding might be our very own Bec Allen,
13:47given that you are a WNBA superstar.
13:50Now, we do need to ask the question.
13:52What are your plans going forward?
13:54You've had such a successful career over 10 years in the WNBA,
13:57which is such a massive achievement.
13:58But given the recent increase that we've seen in wages in the WNBA,
14:03it has to be appealing.
14:04I mean, it's huge.
14:05When you look at what the average salary is going up from around that $100,000,
14:08going up to $585,000 USD.
14:11USD.
14:12Yeah.
14:12When you do the conversion, the maps, you go, oh gosh, just play one more year.
14:15In this economy.
14:16Play one more year.
14:17Exactly.
14:17But, I mean, it's awesome for the sport in particular.
14:20We've fought for that for so long.
14:22And you see where the negotiations have landed.
14:24It's taken a long time to get there, but we stood really tight as a unit,
14:27as a players association and the players.
14:29And I think this is historical.
14:31You haven't seen an increase in a CBA negotiation like this ever in any sport,
14:34male or female.
14:35And so it's something I'm really proud that I was part of that vote.
14:39But yeah, what am I doing?
14:40I don't know.
14:41I don't know.
14:41When do you need to know by?
14:43Three weeks.
14:43I've got really three weeks where I'm sort of figuring everything out.
14:46Free agency starts on the 7th of April.
14:48And then that's when you start, okay, figuring out, okay, where do I want to be?
14:51And I think I'm in a pretty good situation where, okay, if I do go, amazing.
14:56And it's because I want to, and it's because I feel like I can.
15:00And if I don't, it's the right decision for me personally.
15:02So, yeah, so I'm just in that sort of boat right now.
15:05Okay, if it's for me, I'll take it.
15:07If it's not, cool.
15:08I'm happy here in Melbourne.
15:09Surely you take it, and about three weeks into pre-season, you feel a bit of hamstrings
15:14on it.
15:16I'm Waleed.
15:17Don't say it on air.
15:18Oh, sorry.
15:21See, this is why they don't like Australians in the ACL anymore.
15:24And don't be wrong, it is fantastic to see this uptick, particularly in a women's sport
15:28that has just been thriving.
15:29Yes.
15:29Is part of you going, could this have come earlier in my career?
15:32Oh, please.
15:33I wish I was five years younger.
15:34I wish I was two years younger.
15:36I mean, that would have helped immensely.
15:38But regardless, it's happened.
15:39And I think every generation can say that.
15:41You know, the people before me were on a lot less.
15:43And I've been part of another CBA negotiation in my time within the WNBA as well.
15:47So I've seen it rise, but usually because I'm part of that middle, the middle person, you
15:51know, so I don't really get, I don't see too much of the increase.
15:54It goes to the superstars or sometimes the rookies.
15:57So it's sort of cool that everyone has been impacted in a positive way.
16:00People ahead of me were on a lot less, not necessarily what we're saying in Australian
16:03television, but that's right.
16:04We will move on now.
16:06That's an off-air conversation.
16:07You and I will have it out, it's okay.
16:10North Melbourne's Trish and Sherry looks set to spend some time on the sidelines after
16:14wiping his own blood on Essendon Captain Andrew McGrath's face last night at Docklands.
16:20Now, the incident occurred midway through the second quarter, not long after the Ruckman's
16:24nose was bloodied visibly.
16:26The vision shows him reaching out, touching his nose, realising that there's blood and
16:30then wiping it on McGrath's face.
16:32This is something, Wally, that we haven't seen understandably for a very long time.
16:36And we're sort of left up in arms going, I mean, he has to serve something, but what?
16:40Well, so it happened previously to Nathan Buckley.
16:43Well, he did it.
16:45And I think he got a week.
16:46Yeah.
16:4720 years ago with Cameron Ling, I think.
16:48Yeah.
16:49A bit of a different, a headbutt scenario.
16:50So, yeah.
16:51There it is.
16:51Look at the footage.
16:53Just the glory days.
16:54I mean, and the headbutt sort of makes a difference a bit, doesn't it?
16:56Yeah.
16:56But we also know that at the AFL Tribunal, it's a hyperinflationary market.
17:01Let's put it that way.
17:02Suspensions are getting bigger rather than, stuff you wouldn't get suspended for at all
17:06now is getting you four weeks and things like that.
17:08I have no idea where this lands.
17:09And I have to confess, I'm a bit confused as to, you know, where it's about the look
17:15of the game or unsportsmanlike conduct or these sorts of things, I don't know where
17:18the suspensions land anymore.
17:19Because you now have someone like Voss, for example, last week being suspended for roughing
17:24up someone's hair and teasing someone for having a ball patch and so on.
17:28That was just nothing not so long ago.
17:30So if that's a fine and that was a week 20 years ago, I don't know, is it four?
17:35I just have no answers for you here because it's also, there's no grid for it.
17:38You know, the MRO system.
17:40So you're now off to the tribunal where it's a hugely discretionary thing.
17:43At the same time as the blood rule has been around for so long, does that factor in?
17:47But also the blood rule was at a time of AIDS panic, which is kind of, so I don't know.
17:53There's so many layers to it.
17:54But I think we can all agree it's a terrible look for the game and for any sport and something
17:57that we want stamped out.
17:58But in terms of this yardstick of how many weeks he should miss, it is a difficult question.
18:03And with the AFL as well, like Wallet said, it just changes all the time, doesn't it?
18:08And, you know, the Patrick Voss situation.
18:10And all I want to say is even going back to the Kendrick and Bryce Cotton issue and now
18:15with that, you know, when you tell people that you're a wrestling fan, they go, oh, really?
18:19And as a proud wrestling fan, and I was here for a wrestling event as well last night, everybody's
18:25borrowing from wrestling.
18:26That's what you're doing.
18:26Yeah.
18:27The cliffhanger ending to the NBL and now rubbing blood on each other's faces.
18:34But I'm intrigued by how the AFL treats it.
18:37But I guess, you know, it will come down to, you know, the role model issue, right?
18:43Yes.
18:43Like, you know, do you want your kids seeing that and doing it at junior footy?
18:47And I get you do get penalised for that as well these days.
18:50It sounds like actually what you're arguing is he should get a bonus because he's bringing
18:54the wrestling glamour.
18:55It is WrestleMania season, Wallet.
18:57Yeah, exactly.
18:57This is the thing.
18:58We've just spoken about the end of that NBL final and about how amazing it was.
19:03But it felt different.
19:03I know.
19:04It felt different.
19:04And you can't say, that's just round three football.
19:08It happens.
19:08It's just the same, right?
19:09But it does come from the same...
19:12For starters, we actually don't know what happened.
19:14We don't know the words that were exchanged.
19:15No, I think there is an assumption that he was trying to prove, you know, that he did
19:19in fact injure his nose.
19:21Yeah.
19:21So, I don't know...
19:22The face, there's just a layer of it.
19:24I get it.
19:24I get the appearance stuff.
19:25I understand all that.
19:26I do think in the media, though, we are hypocrites because we look at these things
19:30and we go, that's...
19:32That's terrible, but let's blow it up next time they play.
19:35Yeah.
19:36It's a bit of the way it goes.
19:36But there is a bit of uncertainty over Brad Scott's tenure as Essendon coach, which continues
19:41because the Bombers' 12-point defeat to North Melbourne means that the club may
19:45equal its worst ever losing streak of 17 games when it faces the Western Bulldogs next week.
19:50But, Waleed, I'd argue it's not the losing streak, it's how they're losing.
19:54Yeah.
19:55Because some of the turnovers, if you're a fan, would just be agonising.
19:57They were really frustrating, especially that last quarter where they actually...
20:01The energy was there.
20:02Yeah.
20:02They were winning the ball.
20:03They had looks and they just couldn't convert them.
20:05It was incredibly frustrating if you're an Essendon fan.
20:08And also, coming off the back of...
20:09Last season, I think everyone gave them the free ride of injury just decimating the team.
20:13And Brad Scott referenced that in the press comments after.
20:15But they don't have that this season.
20:18And it...
20:18I wouldn't say it looks like LaSalle has disappeared, but it does look like it's hard to see the
20:22plan.
20:23And one thing you know with a team that's trying to rebuild is the ones that do it from defence
20:28first, they usually give you the sense they're going somewhere.
20:33Essendon are not defending very well.
20:35I mean, a bit better last night, but...
20:37So, then what?
20:38Well, then you're saying, well, look at our young kids, but where are their young stars?
20:41And it's also the tone, I think, that's been used.
20:43We're using the term demoralising as often as what we've heard in these press conferences.
20:47The fans are like, we know we're experiencing it ourselves.
20:50And I think we did hear from Brad Scott where he was talking about the process and what fans
20:54were expecting potentially in this rebuild.
20:59Essendon's been around for over 150 years through some really difficult times.
21:03We're going through a difficult time at the moment, but we'll be fine.
21:06We've got a strategy.
21:07It's really clear.
21:08We know what we're doing.
21:10Medium to long term is something that we're really excited about.
21:14And the decisions we made to look to the medium to long term, we accepted that there was
21:19short-term vulnerability and there might be some short-term pain.
21:22But we're willing to endure that.
21:25Whether the fans are willing to continue to endure that is something that's going to be
21:28a watch and wait.
21:29And again, the speculation over Brad Scott's future as coach is something that continues,
21:33but...
21:33You know, I'm Bex and Essendon fan.
21:34Does this decide your contracts?
21:35You get out of the country.
21:36I was trying to not make that known.
21:38I stayed very quiet.
21:39You did very well.
21:40Just to smile and nod through all of that.
21:42But, I mean, the NRL has beaten the AFL to the punch in terms of having the first sacking
21:45of the season.
21:46Because Kieran Foran has been appointed Manly's interim coach after the Seagulls
21:51dismissed Anthony Seabold only three games into the 2026 NRL season.
21:55And there can be, Waleed, a few parallels between these two great clubs and what seemingly is
22:00happening.
22:01But Seabold on the way out.
22:02It is wild.
22:03So the parallels, it's interesting.
22:05So both are fourth year coaches in this particular stint.
22:10Both are at clubs that have these sort of weird political relationships with people who
22:15are of the club.
22:16And Manly's very much like that.
22:17Manly just seems to believe, unless you are a Manly hero, you know, the Dez Hasler sort
22:22of model, then you're either not welcome or if you don't win straight away then you're
22:26in trouble.
22:27And that's what they've done.
22:28They've now gone for Kieran Foran who was playing four months ago.
22:30So this is wild.
22:32Also both, I mean, in Seabold's case it was even more extreme.
22:36He signed a contract for the start of this year.
22:38So he's into this new contract.
22:39But both then have contract extensions and then a CEO changes.
22:43He probably doesn't feel ownership of that contract.
22:46I just think there's something wild going on.
22:49Manly's wilder than Essendon.
22:50And Manly fans were chanting by the end of that match saying Seabold out.
22:54Like it seems to be what people are wanting.
22:57Yes.
22:57And at a club like Manly that's hard to overcome.
22:59Because if you are talking about a club that is all about Manly, do you bleed Manly?
23:03Yes.
23:03And the fans are doing that.
23:04And then what that does for sponsors and all this sort of stuff that we probably would
23:08need to look at spreadsheets to know.
23:10That's very hard to come back.
23:11Now the problem, if I were a Manly fan what I would be worried about is that model was a
23:16way of getting glory for a great club in years past.
23:19I don't know that it works in the sport of now where things are so much data driven and
23:25hyper professionalised.
23:26This sort of like blood and guts thing.
23:29I don't know that it delivers you premierships.
23:32And same with Essendon.
23:34They're slightly different but there is enough overlap for me to be concerned about both.
23:38And especially when you've got things like the DCE story and just a lot that's been
23:42happening at the club.
23:43I think sometimes they go, well here's change.
23:45Here you go.
23:46You want something to change.
23:47Here it is.
23:47And I think there's either you pick and stick or if you didn't pick maybe you don't feel
23:52obligation to.
23:53Or they shouldn't have given him the contract before.
23:56Extension to begin.
23:56But we're having a different conversation if there's an obvious super coach out there.
24:01Yeah.
24:02But you don't give someone a new contract if you have a plan for another coach, like an
24:08ordered process for this.
24:09So that's what's very strange.
24:11At the same time anyone who was watching Manly and anyone who knows Manly knows that
24:15there was something rotten at the heart of it.
24:17So the problem really goes back to giving that contract, I think, rather than anything
24:21else.
24:22Three games does seem rough.
24:23It does seem rough.
24:24We'll wait and see.
24:24I hope the payout's good.
24:25Yeah, we would hope so.
24:26We'll move on to cricket.
24:27And Victoria is in the box seat to win this year's Sheffield Shield Final against South
24:31Australia.
24:32SA lost five quick wickets late in their second innings on day three and lead by just 31 runs
24:39with Victoria still to bat again.
24:41There was so much controversy when Victorian bowler Sam Elliott was subbed out with a leg injury
24:46and his replacement, Mitch Perry, took a wicket with his first ball.
24:49So you've been told, hang on, you've not made the team, then you come in and you make
24:52a ball.
24:52But the question, since when can you sub in someone when they're injured?
24:55These are backyard rules.
24:57Well, it was brought into the Sheffield Shield, Abby, for this season where if it is an external
25:02injury like that, where he just pulled up sore with a hamstring, Sam Elliott, they could
25:06just bring, you can bring a substitute, but then the opposition also has an opportunity to
25:11bring in their own substitute, which didn't happen.
25:13But yeah, and Mitch Perry just came in and there was a lot of drama that happened when
25:17Sam Elliott was ruled out because Mitch Perry was in the nets.
25:20So then they send the assistant coach, Ben Rohrer, to field and the umpire said, no, no,
25:25the assistant coach can't field.
25:26You need to find someone else.
25:28And this is in a Shield final.
25:29What do you think of these rules?
25:31It's, it's, it's a bit unnecessary.
25:33Like, I mean, concussion substitutes make sense.
25:35Covid substitutes back in the day.
25:37So this is something new.
25:38I mean, it was brought in because, you know, big game or whatever game, four day game, and
25:42you have a bowler go down in, say, the first session, or if there's a proper blow to someone's
25:49hand or leg, and it's not concussion, so that you don't get penalised for that, or you don't
25:54like, end up having a ten-man team.
25:57So that's why it was brought in.
25:58But it's, after this, maybe they'll have to give it a rethink cricket.
26:01That's long form cricket.
26:02It's attritional.
26:03It is.
26:03I do love the idea of getting dropped, coming in and taking a wicket with my first ball.
26:08How do you like them apples?
26:09Leave me out at your peri.
26:11I look forward to next season when they introduce last man's tucker.
26:15That would be a great rule change.
26:16It really would be a great rule change.
26:17One hand, one bounce.
26:18We'll see how we go.
26:20But Cricket Australia will soon make a decision on whether to privatise the big bash.
26:24And the billions on offer will be hard to resist after a week when two IPL teams changed
26:30hands.
26:30Now there's a lot of money washing through cricket at the moment.
26:33And Pat Cummins said this week, while Australian cricketers are willing to give up the riches
26:37right now to play for Australia, that might not always be the case.
26:41Some of our guys are saying no to half a million pounds for 20 days' work to go and play
26:47those
26:48two test matches against Ben Gilesh.
26:49So I think it is a tension point.
26:52At the moment our guys are so keen to play for Australia that they're happy to forego that.
26:57But I don't think we can just accept that's always going to be the case forever.
27:01Foregoing 500,000 seems to be the common theme of our pattern today.
27:05But we're going to have to be very quick here team.
27:07Do you think we should have a privatise in the big bash?
27:09Give me a few words.
27:10Oh, it has to happen.
27:11You've just seen two IPL teams get sold for 1.68 billion and 1.9 billion.
27:16It's not just evil Indian money that's coming.
27:18Walmart, Ford, everyone's involved now.
27:21So it's just the way cricket's going and if the BBL has to survive and be in that top tier
27:25of T20 franchise leagues, it just has to embrace private investment.
27:29But it's not a bad thing like Pat Combin said there.
27:31Money talks and so do we because it has been a jam packed show.
27:33So we're going to have to keep observations quick.
27:35Oh no.
27:36I know, I know.
27:38Just announced that he's leaving Liverpool at the end of this season.
27:42Possibly the best player in the world over the last stretch of the last eight seasons.
27:46Once you factor everything, he never won the Ballon d'Or.
27:47I mean look at this goal that he scores against Man City and then he scored another one exactly the
27:51same the week after.
27:52What a phenomenon.
27:54The second choice option when they signed him by the way.
27:56Who brought down Islamophobic attacks in Liverpool through his deeds on the field.
28:01I mean incredible, incredible and sad day.
28:03It's wonderful that you're under division so no one can see you wiping the tear personally.
28:07Bec Avedu.
28:08Mine's a shout out to the Australian Opals.
28:09They just had a clean sweep of the World Cup qualifiers over in Istanbul and Turkey just a week, a
28:14week and a half ago.
28:15So yeah, shout out to them.
28:16Even travelling to Turkey given the circumstances I'm sure, you said they went by Japan, there was a lot of
28:21logistics there.
28:22Yeah, they had to, you can't go through Doha or Abu Dhabi at the moment.
28:25Always, always proud of our Opals, they do so well.
28:27Virat?
28:28The IPL has started overnight and Virat Kohli was there scoring the winning run so he was unbeaten in the
28:32end.
28:33So all's well with the world.
28:35That is a wonderful note to leave on, I think.
28:37God loves sport that we can say all is well in the world if someone scores some runs.
28:40Guys, thank you so much for your time, we really appreciate it.
28:43That is the programme for this week.
28:44We'll leave you with some words of wisdom from new All Blacks assistant coach Neil Barnes.
28:49The 68-year-old is a dairy farmer who still starts his day by milking cows before heading off to
28:54training.
28:54He's an absolute star.
28:55Have a listen.
28:58I don't think it would matter whether I was playing snakes and ladders on a board or an international game.
29:03I've got the same shit about me that I want to win.
29:06I don't profess to be a hard arse.
29:08At the end of the day I'm honest.
29:09Massive on getting the basics right first before you go to any other pretty shit.
29:13I'm probably as much passionate a farmer as I am in rugby.
29:16It keeps me sound up here to be grounded.
29:19It's my comfort place.
29:20It's great.
29:21At the end of the day my back's getting sore carrying all the coin we're making.
29:25louder ...
29:27The world has been a big one.
29:29It does the same process isn't the same.
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