#EmanuelaOrlandi #VaticanGirl #Chilhavisto #Chilhavintage #Emanuela #Orlandi #Netflix
Categoria
📺
TVTrascrizione
00:00Last time we made you listen to a wiretap in which we talk about Emanuela Orlandi in 1997,
00:07This wiretap did not end up in Emanuela Orlandi's file and this, in our opinion, is very serious.
00:14Because how can investigators work if they don't have all the useful information, what happens?
00:19Then there was a somewhat hectic phone call with acceptance, so let's hear this short fragment and then go
00:27after you.
00:34This office has come to know.
00:41So there is this interception, this is not the document, there is a telephone interception,
00:48They are basically on the phone with their ex-partner, they are talking, they are arguing because they have just separated,
00:56so they are talking about who has to pick up the daughter of a job, the ex-partner says he wants
01:03work in the club,
01:04he gets angry with Marco Accetti and what happens?
01:08Then he tells her I'll tell her everything about Emanuela Orlandi.
01:11This 1997 wiretap was made as part of the investigation into a missing child named Bruno Romano.
01:19Here it is.
01:22They tapped my phone.
01:25Oh well.
01:25And now I'm going to start telling all the things about a certain girl over the phone.
01:31Okay, so I'll pick her up at 10, but I'm not telling you that...
01:36No, no, no, no, no, because I with you...
01:37So now you did this thing about the place to me to get...
01:40But which one, no, the place...
01:41Come work here.
01:42I, I...
01:43No, no, you shut up, you let me talk, because I say everything over the phone.
01:47My word...
01:48So, I'm talking about a girl, I'm talking to you about a girl and all the things that you
01:53you did it with this girl.
01:55Yeah, I got you... Do you want to come?
01:57My word, I am not you.
01:58Can you let me talk?
01:59Can you let me talk?
02:00But I didn't say that...
02:01If you don't remember by phone...
02:04Emanuela, huh?
02:05Who is Emanuela?
02:06I didn't say you don't work at the club.
02:08My word, when I said something, I say something, is that.
02:11I keep saying names over the phone, if you don't let me talk.
02:14Come, come to the local and pure.
02:15So let's talk about Emanuela Orlandi and everything you want to do with her.
02:19You told me the place is closed now.
02:21Absolutely, I told you.
02:22But will you let me talk?
02:23I told you.
02:24So let's talk about Emanuela.
02:26But look at this stuff.
02:27And shut up then, let me talk, don't interrupt me.
02:30Speak, speak.
02:31So, I work at the club.
02:33I work at the club and you see your daughter two weekends a month.
02:36Okay.
02:37The weekend starts from Saturday morning to Sunday evening.
02:39And if you start blackmailing, I'm a bigger bastard than you.
02:43I'm becoming much more of a bastard than you.
02:45No, you're not a bastard.
02:46You know where I'm going, everything.
02:48And I'll ruin everything for you.
02:50Why does his partner say, I'll make you pay for this and tell you everything about Emanuela Orlandi?
02:55What does his partner know?
02:56Because my partner, obviously, asks him, ask him directly, there are judges who question, I don't have to tell
03:06other people's business.
03:07Did his partner talk about Emanuela Orlandi in 1997?
03:10But we knew very well that we were being intercepted.
03:12Eh, I understand, but why were you talking?
03:14And precisely, why does he blackmail her by saying, I'll tell you everything I know about Emanuela Orlandi and I'll make you pay?
03:20He tells this to me and his partner.
03:21Because the person, clearly, no, I don't want to tell him, I'll tell the judges, not her.
03:29Eh, no, but you had the time, why didn't you tell it all the time you had it?
03:33to talk to the judges?
03:34When will you tell the judges?
03:37They listened to you for hours, you talked to them for hours, you could have told them everything.
03:42They never asked me the right questions, Orlandi.
03:45So, this is what happened only in part.
03:48Since we're talking about children, including pedophilia, it's naturally not a suitable topic for minors.
03:55We'll talk about it shortly and we'll see the developments of this story, starting from this document that we found,
04:03in which it is said that Marco Accetti made a child named Bruno Romano disappear.
04:09The story is terrible about two little boys and two boys, two girls cross paths.
04:16Here with us are the relatives of, for once I say first your sister, who then disappeared for
04:22first in May.
04:23So there is Antonietta Gregori, Mirella's sister, she wanted to come this time with her husband,
04:27but there's Natalina, Pietro, Orlandi, Andrea Ferraris, the husband, then there are all these beautiful people,
04:33then Pietro's daughters and Antonietta's sons and then Mirella's cousin with her husband.
04:41Mirella is still missing, Emanuele is still missing and then there are two kids,
04:45Cosè who was killed and Bruno Romano who is still missing.
04:49Somehow their terrible stories, I was telling you, all intersect around one person, one name.
04:57So let's go and see with Francesco Paolo del Re.
05:09The first child approached by Marco Accetti, as far as we know, was Stefano, at 12 years old.
05:15He's walking along Corso Vittorio Emanuele, we're in Rome, it's 1983.
05:21We spoke with Stefano several times.
05:23He told us that Marco Accetti was in the company of a woman when he stopped him.
05:27The two, Accetti and the woman, suggest that he have his photograph taken in their studio, which is nearby.
05:32But Stefano replies that he has to ask his father's permission.
05:35He is the father of a child who was stopped many years ago on Corso Vittorio Emanuele.
05:41Yes, yes.
05:42And her?
05:43Stephen.
05:43He said, you know, they stopped me because they took pictures of me.
05:47And I also told him right away, you have to listen to these people, because these are people who go around,
05:53strange people who then when you are there don't have photographs, but who knows what other things they are.
06:01The second child who unfortunately crosses Marco Accetti's path is José Garramon, also 12 years old.
06:08A month passes since Accetti approached Stefano.
06:11It's December.
06:14José Garramon goes to the barber to get a haircut and disappears.
06:18They found him in the pine forest of Ostia, more than 20 kilometers away from his home.
06:24How did he get there? Accetti hit him with his van and killed him.
06:30Run away, leaving him there.
06:32Then he goes back to get his cameras and a patrol stops him and arrests him.
06:37He still has José's bloodstains on him, but the judge believes his version.
06:42Marco Accetti didn't see that child.
06:45Accetti took my son.
06:47He was a beautiful child.
06:51And she liked it.
06:55After the death of José Garramon, which for the judges is only a road accident,
06:59Marco Accetti spent a short time in prison and then was placed under house arrest.
07:03Over the years he devoted himself to his disturbing films, which were put online.
07:12We don't know anything else about him.
07:16More years pass and we arrive at 1995.
07:20Little Bruno Romano, the same age as Stefano and José, disappears from Rome.
07:24And with José a striking resemblance.
07:29José and Bruno are 12 years old.
07:31Bruno is kidnapped 12 years after the murder of little José.
07:36And they both disappear in December.
07:41We are on Viale Somalia.
07:43On the day of his disappearance, Bruno Romano was coming from Ponte delle Valli
07:46and he went to visit his grandmother right here.
07:48And then he disappeared.
07:50Marco Accetti's studio is located a few hundred meters away.
07:55While Bruno's disappearance is being investigated,
07:57in March 1997, the Rome Flying Squad wrote
08:02This office has received information from a trusted source.
08:06that the person responsible for the disappearance of a teenager named Bruno,
08:10occurred more than a year ago, it would be such an acceptance.
08:13The source reported that the latter, in private,
08:16he would usually make audiovisual recordings with his own video camera
08:20during his perverse relationships with children
08:23and how in similar circumstances he would have brought the minor closer,
08:27a few days before his disappearance,
08:29from one's partner or...
08:31and subsequently forced him to have sexual intercourse
08:35with the participation of a homosexual friend of his.
08:41This document is sent to the prosecutor's office by Nicola Calipari,
08:45007 died a hero in 2005 in Baghdad,
08:48who at the time was deputy head of the Police Headquarters' flying squad.
08:53The police always specifies to the prosecutor that this is accepted
08:56he identifies himself completely for Marco accepts, residents of Rome,
09:00with criminal records for extortion, kidnapping, weapons and murder.
09:06What happens at this point?
09:08A search is carried out, it is June 1997
09:12and photographs are found.
09:16When we talked about these photographs in the last episode of Chi l'ha visto,
09:20Marco Accetti, speaking live via telephone, commented as follows...
09:24She called her in her underwear, it was a bathing suit and she was at the studio...
09:28No, it's written in the file, Accept, it's written in the file of the concern.
09:31It was the study, I'm not playing the themagogue, the populist like...
09:33It was a very famous study, which the rule also uses.
09:38They were artistic photos.
09:40The police checked them, not her.
09:44But let's see what is written in the report contained in the police station file.
09:49It is noted that during the judicial police operations
09:53a lot of photographic material was found,
09:56including some test shots depicting little girls in panties which were appropriately confiscated.
10:01The little girl in her underwear, the parents were present and I brought those photos to the Ophelia studio.
10:08I didn't just answer, I took pictures of a little girl in her underwear because I'm a photographer.
10:13There were photographers, parents present and the photo was taken to the Ophelia studio one or two
10:21years before.
10:24Ophelia Studio is a very important agency.
10:27She works with children and has worked in the cinema with Visconti, Fellini and many other important names.
10:32But they clarify through their lawyer, Maicon Accetti.
10:36In relation to what happened in the episode of the highly esteemed television program Chi l'ha visto,
10:41in which Mr. Marco Accetti claimed to have sent a photo of a little girl in her underwear
10:45at the Ophelia studio in 1997, the agency claims to have never received the photo of the minor from
10:52of Mr. Accetti.
10:53My client does not know Mr. Accetti and denies having had any direct or indirect collaboration with him.
10:59The agency has always maintained direct and exclusive contact with those who hold parental responsibility for minors
11:05and has never made use of external collaborators or intermediaries.
11:09Mrs. Garzia Ophelia feels deep sorrow and regret in seeing herself approached,
11:13after 43 years of an illustrious and renowned career, to such a serious and unpleasant event.
11:18The agency, appreciated for its correctness, seriousness and rigor in the application of the law on child labor in the entertainment industry,
11:25has represented thousands of families throughout its history, without ever encountering legal problems.
11:31You have to explain to me why a qualified source had it in for you and gave this detailed story.
11:37But she is truly discovering that there are crazy people, bad people, double-crossers.
11:44There is this source, but it is absolutely not trustworthy, as it simply says
11:50I would have sold my photos in a certain space or site, but no, it doesn't tell us what it can be called
11:58or where this site can be found for confirmation.
12:01This is clearly defamatory behavior, because it proves nothing.
12:08According to the public prosecutor Adelchi di Ippolito, who at the time was investigating the disappearance of Bruno Romano,
12:14there are no useful elements.
12:15Case closed.
12:17And Marco Accetti is left alone.
12:21Little Bruno, 12 years old, is still a missing child.
12:2720 years have passed since then, a lifetime.
12:31When we meet Bruno's brother and sister, they show us photos taken by a man,
12:36a mysterious photographer who had visited them when they were children.
12:40Listen, are those photos of Bruno Romano we showed you by any chance his?
12:44No, absolutely not.
12:45Absolutely?
12:46I don't do reportage, those are reportage photographs.
12:50Ah, they're overdressed, shall we say, those kids, huh?
12:52No, but forget it.
12:56Marco Accetti denies ever having photographed little Bruno Romano
12:59and justifies himself by saying that he doesn't do reportage.
13:04But it's with his photos.
13:06Published by himself on his website and visible to everyone online.
13:14They are photos of nomadic children, obviously, like little Bruno,
13:18a child that someone, a qualified police source,
13:23claims he was kidnapped and abused.
13:26Was this the fate that little José Garramón was also supposed to meet?
13:30And that's why he was running away when Marco Accetti hit him in the pine forest in Ostia?
13:35So, the qualified source said that Garramón,
13:40before being killed, he was raped,
13:43then killed somehow and then a run-over was faked.
13:46The autopsy did not confirm any of this at all.
13:51In fact, the qualified source does not speak of sexual violence.
13:56He says the child was likely deceased.
13:58due to Accetti's perversion.
14:01Let's listen to the document again.
14:02It has also been learned that in the past Accetti had simulated,
14:06with a car accident,
14:07the death of a foreign child which occurred near Castelfusano,
14:11but that in reality the child had previously died,
14:15most likely because of his perversion.
14:19In Ostia.
14:20Little José dies alone in Ostia,
14:23more than 20 kilometers from his home.
14:27And Marco Accetti has already told us about the pine forest of Ostia.
14:30listen to what he told us on the phone, talking about Garamon.
14:34We made a simulation of that pine forest,
14:37a simulation.
14:39We pretended to kill a nomad.
14:44Let's pretend to kill him.
14:47A nomad?
14:48And who is this nomad?
14:50Is this a simulation?
14:51How do you fake kill someone?
14:54Is Marco Accetti talking about Bruno Romano?
15:04So, today we had to decide,
15:05there are the relatives of Emanuele Orlandi and Antonietta Di Mirella Gregori,
15:09archiving itself, or no archiving.
15:12They opposed the request for archiving.
15:15But what we want to show you is that we have discovered
15:17that in the request for archiving by the Rome Public Prosecutor's Office,
15:21in these two cases, there is certainly an error,
15:23why is there mention of an anonymous source three times?
15:27regarding this writing that we showed you
15:30this week, last week,
15:32about Bruno Romano and Accetti,
15:34while this source is qualified.
15:37So three times in the request for archiving
15:40we are talking about an anonymous person,
15:41while in 1997 it is written that the trusted source is qualified.
15:48So we wonder if there is an error in this storage request.
15:51We are talking about children here,
15:53we're talking about two missing girls.
15:57So, before we know how today's hearing went,
16:00I, Antonietta, to Mirella's sister,
16:03Gregori, maybe you would also like to say something to Cetti,
16:05since he said she was alive,
16:07that your mother saw it, in short.
16:09Aside from the fact that the things he says have no basis,
16:12but then, look, I just tell him one thing,
16:14if he wants to tell the truth,
16:16he doesn't need someone to provide him with appropriate questions,
16:21because if someone knows something they have to say it like that.
16:24He looks for people who ask him the right questions,
16:27but it is not like that.
16:27If he said the judges didn't ask me the right questions,
16:29so I didn't answer.
16:30But since he appeared before the judges so many times,
16:33spontaneously,
16:33if he really questioned so many times,
16:35but then he talked a lot,
16:37I want to tell our viewers,
16:38In the meantime, thank you all for your messages,
16:40there are many who have arrived,
16:41someone said why don't you let him talk,
16:43I must say that he spoke to us a lot,
16:47maybe too much,
16:48without really saying anything I don't believe.
16:50So much too much,
16:51and Peter's right question,
16:52who told him if you can say what you know,
16:55among other things, what surprises us about Accetti,
16:58for example, it is the first on Valerio Verbano's list,
17:01you know that boy who was killed,
17:02the list was delivered by mother Carla,
17:04our correspondent Claudia Aldi,
17:06and the first on the list, mind you, is Accetti himself,
17:09because this Accetti is a strange character,
17:11in the sense that we don't understand why it's on this list,
17:13consider that Valerio Verbano was suited to photographing provocateurs,
17:18those who were in the demonstrations,
17:20those near the services,
17:22plainclothes officials,
17:23and anyway Accetti is on Valerio Verbano's list.
17:27Natalina,
17:28how did it go today?
17:29The preliminary investigations judge's decision didn't come, right?
17:31No, we already knew that,
17:33because today there were only all the lawyers
17:37which were supposed to lead our people into opposition,
17:41the others rightly agreed with the prosecution,
17:45that perhaps it was time to close,
17:47because he didn't assist her.
17:49Vergari's lawyer too.
17:51Yes, by Vergari.
17:53However, we understand that he spoke mainly about De Petis,
18:00who showed up to represent Monsignor Vergari.
18:04I didn't know that,
18:05so the lawyer who is the lawyer of the De Petis family
18:09he went, today Monsignor Vergari presented it.
18:13And because you can see that he is probably prepared,
18:15there is a subject, so they decided to...
18:18Well, that doesn't matter to us,
18:20because that's probably the way it should be.
18:23But you also brought this new document,
18:25I know your lawyer...
18:27The lawyer is the first thing he gave,
18:29he took it over,
18:30I must say that the judge was very careful,
18:33he carefully followed all the lawyers' interventions,
18:36reserves the right to give a definitive answer within 10-15 days.
18:41So this document is important,
18:42which is Calipari's signature.
18:44I know he's hearing us somehow...
18:46He was also supported, sorry, by the lawyer Di Accetti,
18:48who was present,
18:49who also asked for the case not to be archived,
18:52based on this document.
18:53He asked for the case not to be archived,
18:56but now you accept in his blog,
18:57I saw today instead what he said
18:58If they archive me I'm happy,
19:00and instead many people say how to archive it.
19:03He referred to that very document.
19:05and to that interception.
19:08So, the hope of your two sisters,
19:11do you still have the will to find them alive,
19:14somewhere, like this?
19:16I hope they don't close my sister's case,
19:19because despite everything,
19:20if it were me I would go all the way,
19:23because I need to know the truth,
19:24he must have justice.
19:26You can't forget a sister after 32 years,
19:29just because the case is closed.
19:31By the way, maybe they can be archived
19:33also some positions of some of the suspects,
19:34if there is no conviction, however...
19:36In fact, I'll start from the beginning,
19:40I said it, I thought it, I said it,
19:42that we are not attacking anyone.
19:45We want the truth,
19:47no truth,
19:48we don't care if Cassano has anything to do with it,
19:51if Vergari is involved,
19:52if it has anything to do with it...
19:53All very good people,
19:56let's say.
19:58No, we don't care.
19:59No, Peter doesn't agree.
20:00Well, no, in the sense that they can be
20:04considered by many to be very good people.
20:07We don't care about them,
20:08we are interested in knowing the truth,
20:10knowing that someone finally,
20:13among a sea of cowards,
20:15because now I think,
20:17among the Magliana gang, so good,
20:20so powerful,
20:22a sea of cowards,
20:24among church people,
20:27a sea of cowards,
20:29there was a brave one
20:32that he would bring out what he knows.
20:33Sure, but then after 30 years,
20:35I am trying to say,
20:35there is no longer even aiding and abetting,
20:37the crimes are subject to a statute of limitations,
20:38so if you know something
20:39and you can talk,
20:41there is this beautiful letter
20:42which Maria Laura wrote
20:43to the Pontiff,
20:45to the Pope,
20:46saying,
20:47since the Pope spoke about pedophilia,
20:50he took a stand against pedophilia
20:52in a strong way,
20:53he says, in short,
20:54let's try not to archive
20:55the cases of these children
20:56and these two girls.
20:57Also an appeal to this trusted source
20:59qualified.
21:01Peter you are right,
21:01do you want to do it?
21:03Because maybe he's retired
21:04this trusted source?
21:05Yes, that probably
21:06he is an internal person,
21:07a service person
21:08and if he's listening
21:11it would be very important
21:13his testimony.
21:17His testimony.
21:18Here, why we,
21:18what I have to say,
21:20we didn't understand
21:21why the wiretaps
21:22about Emanuele Orlandi
21:24when Accetti speaks
21:25with his ex-partner
21:26they are not finished
21:27in Emanuele Orlandi's file.
21:29We searched
21:29the magistrate
21:30which is called Delchi
21:31By Polito
21:32just to ask
21:32why these recordings
21:34very important of 97
21:35they don't end
21:36in the Orlandi file
21:37but he answered us
21:38who doesn't want to talk
21:39with us.
21:39And three months later
21:40the investigation has been closed.
21:41And then the investigation
21:42it was closed.
21:43At that time,
21:44the girls,
21:44Peter's daughters,
21:46beautiful,
21:46the children,
21:47do you want to say something?
21:48why here
21:49I'm just joking
21:50but me and Peter
21:51I always say it
21:52we get older
21:52and you have to take
21:53the witness.
21:58I,
21:59Meaning what,
21:59I just think...
22:00Emanuele is your aunt,
22:01let's say.
22:02Emanuele has disappeared,
22:03she's your aunt
22:03and you never knew her.
22:05Please.
22:05Never.
22:06No,
22:06I wanted to say a few words
22:07on the fact of archiving.
22:09beyond,
22:10I believe,
22:11to be a great lack
22:12of respect
22:13and at this point also
22:13I believe in wickedness
22:15towards
22:16of families
22:17of all those
22:18who loved
22:18and who still love
22:19if Emanuele is Mirella.
22:22I think above all
22:23that it is a great offense
22:24to everyone
22:25Why,
22:26Meaning what,
22:26truth and justice
22:27should be
22:28things that everyone wants
22:30and then
22:31accept
22:32and archive
22:33an injustice
22:34made to someone
22:36it's a bit like
22:36accept it for yourself
22:38and then
22:38I would say it's a bit
22:42a small injustice
22:43made to everyone.
22:45At that time,
22:46this is reason
22:46and then among other things
22:47I believe that
22:49it's a wound
22:50together with the community.
22:51They are two girls
22:52minors
22:52that disappear
22:53and then there are
22:55these two kids
22:55and the stories intersect.
22:57I thank you
22:58naturally
22:58I didn't say
22:59that the investigating judge
23:01he said
23:02In short
23:03who will decide
23:03in 10-15 days
23:04so we will be here
23:05to try to understand
23:07What
23:07happens.
23:08thank you all.
Commenti