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00:00This programme contains strong language and themes of an adult nature.
00:05This is a no-holds-barred conversation.
00:08I think for me now, I know when it's over and it's dawn,
00:12I want to be able to be as free as a bird.
00:14I want to be as free as possible with no ties and no-one holding me back.
00:18I don't like it, but I really don't like birds.
00:21I've got a pure pigeon phobia.
00:23I don't want to sugarcoat anything. I don't want any false narratives.
00:27I don't want to try and keep something going, hoping that they might change their mind.
00:32I'm Sophie Gravia.
00:34And I'm Christine McGuinness.
00:36And we're here to hold your hand through this weird but wonderful world of situationships.
00:40Yes, we are. How are you?
00:43I'm good. I'm okay. Happy to be back. How are you?
00:46Yes, I'm very happy to be back. I'm good. I've been busy.
00:49I have been in London for work.
00:51When I say work, it ends up being like a two, three-hour event
00:55and you're there for a couple of days, so it was lovely.
00:56Same. That's pretty much what I've done.
00:59I went down to London for work and then socialised in situationship whilst I was there.
01:06Yes, I love that.
01:08I literally went to food markets and just go around TikTok and find all the best places to eat.
01:15It's like my happy place. I love that.
01:17Well, you'll be pleased to know that my half-month celibacy is over.
01:22Yay!
01:22The drought is finished everyone.
01:26So I went on a little double date.
01:29Okay.
01:29Mate date kind of thing.
01:31Okay.
01:32I didn't plan it.
01:33Usually I like to get involved in the planning.
01:36Do you? Are you a planner?
01:37Well, I hate the planning.
01:39I know.
01:39I couldn't imagine.
01:40Yeah, I hate it.
01:41It drives me insane.
01:42But I like to feel comfortable.
01:44Yes.
01:44I sort of know what I like and stuff like that.
01:47And this kind of was just one of those random things.
01:49I literally got a text message saying, do you fancy going to the basketball later?
01:54Oh, I think that's what your story is.
01:56Yeah.
01:56So I just thought, do you know what?
01:58Why not?
01:58It's not something I've done before.
01:59It's not really my thing, but you know, I'm there for the sporty women.
02:05I'm not there for the sporty women.
02:06I'm there to support the sporty women.
02:11Was it good?
02:13Well, I thought I was going to watch the women's basketball.
02:17So I said, yeah, it was the men's basketball.
02:21But like I said, I was there to support the sporty people regardless.
02:25Was there cheerleaders at least?
02:27The cheerleaders were amazing.
02:28And they were really cool.
02:30The sporty cheerleaders.
02:31The witches were nice.
02:33So I had a good night.
02:34It was different.
02:35It was something different, but I enjoyed it.
02:37It was good.
02:37I love that.
02:38I love that.
02:39Well, we are gathered here today to talk about all things marriage.
02:46So you've obviously been married.
02:48I have.
02:49Yeah.
02:49And I don't think I'll ever do it again, which doesn't mean that it was a bad or a
02:55negative experience.
02:56It's just something you've done.
02:57I've done it and I've learned from it.
03:00So, no, I always wanted it.
03:04I always believed in marriage.
03:06Yeah.
03:06And I still do in many ways.
03:09But I've been there and done it.
03:12And I had a really long marriage and the divorce was really, really tough.
03:18And knowing that that is something that could potentially be an outcome isn't something that
03:23I want to risk again.
03:25Go through again.
03:25Yeah.
03:25I fully believe that you can have a gorgeous, loyal, committed, respectable relationship without the legal documents.
03:33It was the legalities of marriage that I didn't fully understand.
03:37When you separate in a normal relationship, if you're not married, you can go your separate ways.
03:43You know, you might have some ties, you might have a house or a business or whatever.
03:47But when you're married and you've got children as well, those ties, are they lifelong?
03:53They just are.
03:54Yeah.
03:54Even after you're divorced, you're still in touch, you're still communicating.
03:58And for me, fortunately, it's okay.
04:01I'm in a nice situationship with my ex-husband at home.
04:05But for moving forward personally, it does kind of hold you back.
04:09And I wouldn't want that.
04:11I think for me now, I know when it's over and it's done, I want to be able to be
04:16as free as a bed.
04:17I want to be as free as possible with no ties and no one holding me back.
04:20And no legalities forcing me to have to deal with the separation that I'm trying to deal with.
04:26In case you've already got that at home, could you imagine that elsewhere as well?
04:29Yeah.
04:30Yeah, it would.
04:31It would be too much.
04:32But I think in the modern day world as well, obviously, everyone's a lot more accessible,
04:37which means there's more opportunities.
04:39And that's not just with finding relationships or partners.
04:42There's more opportunities for women in particular with work, with career choices, freedom of their own choice.
04:48I think there's lots of reasons that it's becoming less popular.
04:52And I don't think it's all just to do with divorces or, you know, they've heard bad stories about marriage.
04:57I think finances come into it a lot.
05:00Would you get married?
05:02I would get married.
05:03I think it's a nice concept, but I'm not in a rush to get married.
05:08I mean, don't get me wrong.
05:09I do send the odd engagement ring post when I see it on Instagram to Chris.
05:16But I think it's something that I've never done.
05:20It's something that from you're a wee girl, you're drummed into it as well.
05:24And it's like, what's your wedding dress going to be?
05:27I mean, what's changed is if I did get married, I would definitely not have a big wedding.
05:32So I would make sure it was really, really small.
05:34I think the concept of it is nice.
05:39Yeah, I think it would be definitely something I would do, but I'm not in a rush to get married.
05:42Is it because you want a marriage or a wedding?
05:46No, I wouldn't care about the wedding.
05:47So I think that's what's changed.
05:49I wouldn't really care about the wedding.
05:50I think it'd just be nice to have probably that security that I've never had before.
05:56So this is the part I don't understand.
05:58I agree with it.
05:59The marriage and the wedding is two completely different things.
06:01I think a wedding is a celebration.
06:02If you just want a wedding and you want to have your big day, you don't really need a legal
06:07wedding.
06:08I think you can have beautiful blessings.
06:10You can still refer to each other as husband and wife.
06:13You can still make that commitment and you can celebrate your love in front of all your family and friends.
06:17You can do all of that without putting yourself in a position where you're legally married and tied to somebody.
06:23So like a fake wedding?
06:25It's a celebration of your love.
06:26It's a blessing.
06:28Obviously.
06:29See, I do think the celebration of love is a beautiful thing.
06:32I do.
06:33So I'm not against that at all.
06:34And I love the idea of referring to each other as this is my wife or this is my husband.
06:41I love it.
06:42I love that.
06:43We were in Costco the other day and, you know, they asked for receipts a million times when you're leaving.
06:48And he's like, my wife's got it.
06:50And I was like, thanks, son.
06:52Okay.
06:55That's me.
06:56That's me.
06:59But yeah, it's silly really, isn't it?
07:01But the marriage itself is obviously completely different to the wedding.
07:06The wedding is the celebration.
07:07Marriage is obviously a lifelong commitment.
07:11It's a lot of work.
07:13And I don't mean that in a bad way.
07:15Yeah.
07:15Even good things take work.
07:16If you want to progress and you want to keep going, you want to keep flourishing and remain happy and
07:21present,
07:22you've got to always be checking in with each other, making sure you're still on the same page,
07:27making sure you want the same things, you know, making sure you've got time for each other.
07:33I think sometimes people can get lost a little bit in work and life.
07:36Obviously, you've been married before and that was, you don't think it'll happen again.
07:43But obviously now, same sex marriage, a lot of people said that they were in a same sex relationship
07:49and they got married a bit quicker than normal because obviously they don't know if it's going to be taken
07:54away from them again.
07:55Yeah.
07:56And I understand that.
07:57Would that adjust your thinking on it or are you just totally...
08:00Yeah, it does.
08:02And I get it completely.
08:04It is something that we should be so, so happy and celebrated and proud of that that has happened.
08:11But at the same time, it's heartbreaking that it was even an issue in the first place.
08:14Yeah.
08:14It was only 2013, which isn't that long ago, that gay marriage became legal.
08:19I think it was even later here in Scotland.
08:212014 in Scotland.
08:22Yeah.
08:22It was a year later.
08:25So I understand why people, especially in the gay community, would rush to get married.
08:32I think there's the fear that that law could change, that it could be taken away from them because it
08:37happens.
08:38It's just like any cool opportunity.
08:40Yeah.
08:40And it weren't that long ago that the law changed in our favour to be able to get married.
08:45I understand why in the gay community, people will want to get married, celebrate their love.
08:49It's something that hasn't been allowed for years and years and years when straight couples have been able to get
08:56married forever.
08:57It's never been an issue.
08:58It's been supported.
08:59It's been encouraged.
09:01You know, it's...
09:02Yeah, it is amazing.
09:05It is magical.
09:05It is definitely something to celebrate and love and enjoy.
09:10But I just don't need to do that again.
09:14You've been there, Donna.
09:15Yeah.
09:15You can come to my wedding.
09:17I'll come to everyone else's wedding.
09:18Yeah, I'll be the bride.
09:19But I'll run from the bouquet.
09:23I don't need the legalities.
09:26But I would absolutely love a blessing.
09:28I would love a celebration of love.
09:30I would love a big gay blessing.
09:32I would love to refer to somebody as my wife.
09:34A big gay blessing.
09:34I love that.
09:36Oh, what a big rainbow heart.
09:38Yeah.
09:38Why not?
09:39Because we can.
09:40Yeah.
09:46Okay, so time for our hot mess hotline.
09:49This is a man who's got in contact with us.
09:52He's 22, but he wants to remain anonymous.
09:55Okay.
09:55Okay.
09:57Hey guys.
09:58I've always been in monogamous relationships, but after I broke up with my ex-girlfriend
10:02a few years ago, I met a couple on a dating app.
10:05After meeting them in person, I began dating the women.
10:07They were part of a wider polycule and the man was also dating other people.
10:11They introduced me to the concept of ethical non-monogamy.
10:14And ever since I've been exploring this kind of lifestyle, I found it to be very enriching.
10:19I think it's lovely to be able to hold ethical, romantic connections with multiple people.
10:23It allows me to have different needs met by different people without guilt or shame.
10:27I'm able to open up about my attractions and identity self-expression without worrying
10:32about the restrictions of monogamy.
10:34This has been a very liberating process and I now don't think I could ever be monogamous
10:38again.
10:38Do either of you think you'd be open to exploring ethical non-monogamy?
10:44Absolutely not, but I love it for you.
10:48Why not?
10:49I couldn't.
10:50Too many.
10:51Too many.
10:52I don't want to concentrate.
10:53My head would be all over the place.
10:57See, I understand being polyamorous more than just being in an open relationship
11:04or being non-monogamous.
11:07Because with polyamory, that's more of a...
11:10So it's relationships who have relationships within the same relationship.
11:15So there's multiple partners, there's multiple couples, but they're kind of on the same team.
11:20It just sounds like a big swingers, like a big swingers event to me.
11:23That, I would say, is more like the open kind of the monogamy, like what he's exploring,
11:29where he's...
11:30It's just they're all quite open.
11:31And they can kind of go and sleep with who they want.
11:34It's not an emotional connection.
11:36So is that like a group of people?
11:38So what he's doing where he's exploring non-monogamy is basically just not having one committed relationship
11:46with one person, so he can go and have fun with whoever he wants at the minute.
11:50He's spending time with a couple.
11:52But if he was to go and sleep with somebody else, it wouldn't be cheating or whatever.
11:56They're all open to him doing whatever he wants.
11:59He's basically classed as single.
12:02Yep.
12:02Whereas in a polyamorous relationship, it could be...
12:07It could be a man with three wives, they could all have children.
12:10Or it can be multiple couples, male and female, that will all live and mix together
12:17and have relationships with each other.
12:19That kind, although it seems very complicated, I understand that more
12:24because, first of all, it takes a fucking village to raise children.
12:27Yeah.
12:28You know, if I had a couple of mums hanging around the house, life would be stunning.
12:32Everything would be organised.
12:33The kids would be in school on time, the washing would be done.
12:36I know, but they'd be saying, I'm going to hint at my five mums and my three dads.
12:39So they'd be like, what the hell?
12:40They're just a family.
12:41It's just a big...
12:42I see the polyamorous as a big family.
12:45That's how I see it.
12:46They all respect each other.
12:47They all love each other.
12:50And they all just kind of stick together.
12:52Whereas the non-monogamous is just basically just fucking around.
12:56See, I think that's absolutely fine if he wants to do that.
13:01Like, I respect that.
13:02But as long as he's been honest to everyone that he's shagging, basically.
13:06So, in some ways it sounds like it's just being single and just having fun and not having to commit.
13:12But this does happen.
13:14I actually have got friends who do this in relationships.
13:17Mostly long-distance relationships is what I've heard of it kind of working and being a successful thing.
13:24If, obviously, people are living on the opposite side of the planet or the jobs are all over the place.
13:30I understand that they've got this commitment to each other.
13:35They want to develop that love.
13:37They definitely know that they want to live together and it will be just them one day.
13:41But for the time being, whilst they've got time apart, they can, if they want to, go and have a
13:46little bit of fun.
13:47But it can't involve, like, dating or feelings.
13:51It's what's stopping them.
13:52Aye, that's what I mean.
13:53Like, what's stopping them then developing feelings for someone else?
13:57It's too much.
13:59And maybe I'm just too jealous or something because I just would hate the idea of knowing they were speaking
14:06to someone else.
14:06And it would make me feel just as if I wasn't enough.
14:10Like, why am I not enough that you wouldn't want to just date me?
14:13Because it could be the, it could be purely timing that you're busy.
14:17You're on shift all night at the hospital.
14:19I know, but I'm always busy.
14:21I expect them to wait.
14:23I mean, look, I agree, but trust your path.
14:26If you, if you open and you meet up with other people and it does develop.
14:31I think if he, like, if that's what he wants to do, fair play.
14:35But just be open and honest.
14:38You've got to be open and honest.
14:39Everyone's got to be on the same page.
14:41And not to hurt anyone's feelings.
14:41A hundred percent.
14:42And I think you've got to be realistic that there's a high chance that someone's going to get hurt.
14:47Yes.
14:48And the more people involved, the more chances are that somebody's going to get hurt.
14:53There's, like, a lot of people involved.
14:53Yeah, I think you've got to, you've got to be realistic.
14:56Like, someone's going to get feelings at some point.
14:58So would you ever consider anything like that?
15:11I think I'd just be single.
15:13I'd just be single.
15:15Yeah.
15:15But I get it.
15:16Oh, no.
15:17It is not for me, but go and live your best life.
15:21Look, this guy is 22.
15:24He's young.
15:24He's exploring.
15:25He's figuring it out.
15:27Yeah.
15:28My excuse is that I was young and settled in my twenties.
15:32Yeah.
15:32So I didn't explore and figure it out.
15:33So if I need to do that at some point, go for me.
15:36Yeah.
15:36Yeah.
15:37Yeah.
15:40So our drama drop this week, we're discussing the child-free by choice lifestyle.
15:46Okay.
15:47I don't know if you've heard of Charlie XCX.
15:49Yep.
15:49She has recently been really quite open about the fact that children aren't on her radar.
15:55She hasn't said never.
15:57Mm-hmm.
15:57She's just saying, right now, it's not really something that I want.
16:01She's still young though, isn't she?
16:03She is.
16:04She is still young.
16:05But I think this has kind of blown up a little bit because of the comments that were made
16:11after she said that she didn't want children, or it was like, it weren't on her radar right
16:15now.
16:16She was on a podcast.
16:18Mm-hmm.
16:19Everybody else, I believe, on the podcast were male.
16:22Okay.
16:22And they were a little bit kind of like, why?
16:24Why would you not want children?
16:26You know?
16:26Or maybe you might meet someone one day and then you might change your mind.
16:31And she was kind of like, well, I'm married, so if I was gonna want children with anybody,
16:36it would be with me.
16:36I would be with my husband right now.
16:38Yeah.
16:38It's her choice.
16:39And there was, yeah, there was quite a big deal made about it when she didn't even say
16:43absolutely never.
16:44She was just like, do you know what?
16:45Right now, it's not for me.
16:47I don't see children in my life.
16:48And do you think, like, obviously there is so many people that are making that choice,
16:53but do you think it's mostly to do with career choices and stuff?
16:57Trying to have a career and be a mum, unless you have got a load of support around you.
17:04And you're in a polyamorous relationship.
17:07Unless you've got that.
17:09I still think women are left to pick up the load.
17:14Not all of them.
17:16And I'm pretty sure there are loads of amazing dads who stay at home and love that role
17:21and choose to do that all the more hands-on.
17:24But I think that's why it is becoming more popular, the child-free lifestyle,
17:29because we've got more choices now.
17:31We've got more rights.
17:32We've got more dreams and options and things to do.
17:36We've got more opportunities.
17:37Women have got opportunities that they never had before.
17:39Yep.
17:40So I think it's amazing for women to choose themselves.
17:43Would you have any more kids now?
17:45No.
17:46And this has been an issue in, well, almost every date and all situationship that I've had.
17:54Not necessarily the fact that I don't want them, but more so that if they haven't got them
17:59and the question is there if they might, they might not, that kind of thing.
18:03I love my children.
18:05I can't imagine life without my children.
18:06I wanted to get married.
18:07I loved my marriage and I loved my family.
18:11All of it.
18:12Whatever happened, happened.
18:14But I'm never against anybody else doing that.
18:17If I'm dating a woman and she wants to have children and she wants to get married,
18:21I am fully, like, do it.
18:24You should experience that.
18:24Please do it.
18:25You should absolutely do it.
18:26If you want to do that, you should absolutely do that.
18:28But also, I have a right to know as well what my future's looking like
18:32and what I want to go into.
18:33And just because I'm the one who's saying, I don't want that, that's not for me,
18:37it doesn't mean that I still couldn't get hurt in the process because it's not a decision
18:44that somebody can just overnight go, oh, all right, okay, then I don't want, I'd rather be with you.
18:49I know, it seems unfair, doesn't it?
18:52Yeah, yeah.
18:53But then I also don't want to put that pressure on someone.
18:55So I kind of, like with my situationship now, she's never been married, she's never had children,
19:01she knows how I feel about it.
19:03And it's kind of up to her and it's up to her to let me know.
19:08Yeah.
19:08You know, whichever way she thinks about it.
19:11Yeah, that's just a boundary that you've set though in your happy age.
19:14I don't want any, I don't want to sugarcoat anything.
19:17I don't want any false narratives.
19:19I don't want to try and keep something going, hoping that they might change their mind.
19:24I don't want that.
19:25I don't, I don't want to even just go, oh, do you know what, maybe I might in the future.
19:30Like Charlie XCX, actually I said, she might in the future, she might change her mind.
19:34Yeah.
19:34I won't even risk saying that because I don't want to give anybody false hope for something so big.
19:39I know how much I wanted to be a mum.
19:41I couldn't wait to be a mum.
19:42I'd never ever tell somebody else that they should or shouldn't do it.
19:46I don't even think, I was only 19 and 20 when I had my kids and I was so young.
19:53But yeah, I think as an adult, it makes you really realise how big it is and how crazy it
20:00is.
20:00And I don't know if I would go back there.
20:02So your partner, Chris, I'm assuming that you've had this conversation?
20:05Yeah, we have it quite regularly.
20:07And don't get me wrong, at times I change my mind because I see a cute baby and I'm like,
20:10maybe.
20:11But I'm too busy and my career's too busy.
20:14And is he okay with whatever happens?
20:16He keeps saying like, it's your body, like whatever you think.
20:20And Chris has got a son as well.
20:22So we've both experienced it.
20:25Yeah.
20:25I feel like since I met Chris, it seems to be, it's just a thing that people say now.
20:30Or what about yours?
20:31Are you not getting ready?
20:33Do you know what I found really refreshing?
20:34I mentioned a guy commenting on this.
20:36So Greg James, he has recently spoken about him and his wife being asked a lot about when they're having
20:43children.
20:44And I got it.
20:45But I think as a woman, I kind of expected it and accepted it.
20:50Yeah.
20:50Whereas now I think differently because I was young.
20:53I was, I was early twenties.
20:54I was married.
20:56I had twins.
20:57When I remember getting engaged, everyone was, when are you getting married?
21:00I got married.
21:01When are you having babies?
21:02I had twins.
21:03One of each.
21:04So they couldn't even go, don't you want to keep trying for a boy or trying for a girl?
21:07Yeah.
21:08I had twins.
21:08And then it was, oh, well, one more.
21:11You'll be fine.
21:12You've had twins.
21:13So don't you want to experience one?
21:14So I did that.
21:15Then I had that one and I was kind of like, but I haven't got one.
21:18I've got three.
21:18I'm exhausted.
21:19Yeah.
21:20I'm sacked all the time.
21:22And it's this constant kind of pressure more so on women.
21:25But I love, I love that Greg James has actually spoken up and he said, you know, this is, it's,
21:31it's personal.
21:32People need to stop asking.
21:33People need to stop getting involved in people's personal lives.
21:36You don't know what's going on.
21:36You don't know if there's fertility issues.
21:39Yeah.
21:39You don't know if they have been trying for a long time and it's not working out.
21:42They just might not want to.
21:43It could be financial.
21:44It could be health reasons.
21:47It could be religious reasons.
21:48There's so many reasons.
21:50People need to remember that it's none of their business.
21:53Yeah, exactly.
21:55So what advice would you give to someone who's debating whether they should have children or not?
22:00Well, I think, obviously, have a sit down conversation.
22:05I suppose I'm a bit debating like, but yeah, I think a sit down conversation and see if you're questioning
22:14it.
22:15I wouldn't do it.
22:15Yeah.
22:16I was going to say the same.
22:17I think if you're uncertain, don't do it.
22:20Yeah.
22:20You can't be doing something that is lifelong.
22:25It's big.
22:25It's life changing for the better in many ways.
22:28Yep.
22:28Like, honestly, absolutely amazing life changes by being a mom.
22:33I do think, although you lose a part of your identity when you become a mom, I think you gain
22:41a different part of yourself.
22:42But it's a long, slow process to find that other part.
22:46Yeah.
22:46If you're uncertain, I don't think you should play with it.
22:50It's a life.
22:51Yeah.
22:51I think you need to be really in it, determined, have a good support system around you.
22:57Yeah.
22:57Or if you don't have good support, then have a strategic plan of how would we do this.
23:03Yeah.
23:04It's not like enough.
23:05And enjoy it.
23:06If that's like what you're, it's amazing.
23:08It's literally invisible.
23:10The best.
23:10The best in the world.
23:11It really is.
23:12It's amazing.
23:13I will be lost without my babies.
23:15But we don't want it anymore.
23:16Don't want it anymore.
23:18The legs are closed.
23:19I'm still a mom.
23:20Yeah.
23:25Okay.
23:26So we've got a wee game for the finisher.
23:28I haven't seen any of these.
23:30Okay.
23:30So these are celeb baby name rating game.
23:34Yay or nay.
23:35Okay.
23:36Right.
23:36So would you consider these baby names for your baby?
23:40Wolf.
23:41Obviously Kylie Jenner's baby name.
23:45Wolf.
23:47Enough for me personally.
23:49So nay.
23:50Rumble honey.
23:52No one's called the baby rumble honey.
23:55Rumble honey.
23:56So Nara Smith, she's an American influencer and model.
24:00Rumble honey.
24:03That's a mouthful.
24:04Rumble honey.
24:05What is even rumble?
24:07Well I keep thinking about the rumble when your tummy rumbles.
24:09Rumble honey.
24:10I think that happens to you a lot.
24:12Maybe she's like funny.
24:13Maybe she's like funny.
24:13Maybe her tummy was rumbling funny when she was pregnant so she's called it rumble honey.
24:17But no.
24:18No.
24:18No.
24:19Birdie.
24:21That's Jessica Simpson's.
24:22Birdie.
24:23Birdie.
24:24Birdie.
24:25I don't like it but I really don't like birds.
24:27I've got a pure pigeon phobia.
24:29Yeah.
24:31I just keep thinking about all the stuff like what other kids are going to call them at
24:35school.
24:36I know.
24:36Birdie.
24:38I think is Birdie quite an old fashioned name you would call an old person.
24:43See because I call women birds.
24:45That's my scouts.
24:46That's not my scouts.
24:47It's a bit of a scouts too.
24:48We say bird.
24:49My bird or I'm just going to see this bird or whatever.
24:52Yeah.
24:53Birdie is going to be everyone's bird.
24:55Aye.
24:56Are we bird?
24:57Yeah.
24:58No.
24:58I wouldn't go with birdie.
25:00Right.
25:01Everest.
25:02George Lucas.
25:03Everest is quite nice.
25:04That doesn't feel like an unusual name.
25:07It's something that I would expect to hear now as a name of somebody.
25:10Everest.
25:11Yeah.
25:11Yeah.
25:12Absolutely.
25:13I really like unusual names by the way.
25:15It's just the first eight that you've started with aren't names that objects.
25:21Oh my God.
25:22Rihanna's baby name Riot.
25:25I know.
25:26So.
25:27What the fuck.
25:27I know but all of us begin with R.
25:31I know but you can't call like.
25:33And Riot seems to suit Riot.
25:36It's a baby Riot.
25:37Like you can't do that.
25:38Yeah.
25:39I'm going to let Rihanna call her babies whatever she wants because she's Rihanna.
25:42What would you call your baby diet?
25:44I liked Everest.
25:45Out of all of those I could have a little Everest.
25:47What about your weird baby name?
25:50Mine.
25:50If I could choose any.
25:52Oh I feel like someone's going to steal this if I say my future baby name that I'm
25:57never going to have.
25:58No.
25:58But I might have a like a cat or a dog one day.
26:01Sorry.
26:02I'm going to say my name.
26:03I'm copywriting this okay.
26:04Okay.
26:05Okay.
26:06I would call her.
26:08Passion.
26:11Why are you laughing?
26:14Passion by the way is spelt with a triple X.
26:17I've tried.
26:18Not passion like.
26:19Being passionate.
26:20Passion but with a triple X.
26:22P-A triple X.
26:24I-O-N.
26:25Okay.
26:26Yeah.
26:27Where's my little Pashy?
26:28Where's my little Pashy?
26:29Where's my little Pashy?
26:29Call me a passion baby.
26:36I might just start a brand and call it passion instead.
26:39Exactly.
26:40What would you call it?
26:43I'm not really any like obscure names but I like like a I don't know maybe like a Camden
26:51or something.
26:52I love Camden.
26:53Camden.
26:54Like Camden Market.
26:58On that and a hoot we're going to laugh all today.
27:02Fucking passion.
27:05There's a lot of passion going on in Camden.
27:12Right that is us for today so we're not getting married and we're not having kids.
27:18None of that around here.
27:19Nothing to say.
27:20No passions.
27:21No passions in this place.
27:23But whatever you decide I hope you're all happy and basically think it through.
27:29Yeah.
27:30Have a good as we hit everyone.
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