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00:00This programme contains strong language and themes of an adult nature.
00:05This is a no-holds-barred conversation.
00:08I wrote my first book when I was celibate.
00:11You must have been very horny, but that explains how I got a horny girl.
00:15If you are, on the other hand, you're the one with fetish,
00:17how soon should you tell somebody about that?
00:20I feel ridiculous having this conversation.
00:23Most of the time they were in human form,
00:25but they were also, like, really bad and stuff.
00:30I'm Sophie Gravia.
00:31I'm Christine McGuinness.
00:33And today we are talking all things sex, or lack of.
00:37We're talking about celibacy.
00:40Celibacy.
00:41What do you think about celibacy?
00:43Because more people are basically being celibate,
00:48not concentrating on sex.
00:50I kind of love it for them.
00:51What do you think?
00:53Me too.
00:55I've done it, but not, like, with the intention of...
00:58I didn't go, OK, that's it.
01:00Now I'm going to be celibate for six months.
01:04It was just a stage in my life where I was finding the date and life draining.
01:10It was taking all of my energy.
01:12It wasn't kind of like, that's where I'm not having sex.
01:15It was simply, I need to take some time for myself,
01:18which includes not having sex.
01:20But it was more to do with the energy and the time of what I was putting into other people
01:26for dating,
01:28the travelling up and down, you know, missing out on things that I wanted to do for myself,
01:32and it just not being worth it, that I kind of went,
01:36I'm just going to spend some time on my own and focus on me,
01:39and with that came celibacy.
01:41I had done a few months, and honestly, I hate to admit it,
01:46but I was the healthiest I'd ever been.
01:49I was on time for work.
01:51Everything was all organised.
01:53I went last minute with everything.
01:55It was a really, really good personal, like, self-love, self-care time.
02:02So, it is supposed to, like, lower stress levels,
02:06and there's meant to be lots of benefits to it.
02:09I've been, there's been periods in my life that I've been celibate for three years.
02:14I've been celibate for three years,
02:16and then probably another couple of times when I've been celibate again for, like, two years,
02:22then more, two years.
02:24Years?
02:25Years.
02:26Why?
02:27Because I couldn't be arsed.
02:29I, like, literally just thought, fucking, I can't be arsed.
02:32Like, so, the kids were small.
02:34I was just out of a relationship,
02:36and the last thing I wanted to do was be near another man.
02:41I get it. I do get it.
02:42If you've got young children,
02:43and I'm assuming this is why I was doing a busy nurse.
02:46Yeah, so I was at uni a lot of that time.
02:49I was at uni.
02:49I was training, and, again, I had used the apps and stuff like that,
02:55and then just thought, this is rubbish.
02:57Like, so I came off them, and it was fine, and I felt organised,
03:01and I felt that my life was in some sort of nice, tidy wee bubble.
03:07I had a really good conversation with someone when I was doing pilgrimage,
03:11and I'm just getting to know different people,
03:13and one of the things we were talking about was the energy transfer during sex,
03:19and if it's real, and all of that.
03:20And I fully believe that it is, and it might sound a little bit wee-wee-wee.
03:26Right, so what is the energy?
03:28So, like, what you're giving that person is receiving.
03:32But it naturally actually does affect you.
03:35Yeah, so if you're intimate with somebody and the energy isn't quite off,
03:40so you just didn't really actually want to have sex that night,
03:43but you just do it because it's your husband or your wife,
03:46wherever you're tired, but you just do it anyway,
03:48the energy transfer in that situation is not going to be good.
03:51You're going to do it because you feel like you should,
03:53or you have to do whatever.
03:54It's just quicker to do it and then roll over.
03:56But afterwards, you're actually just going to feel a bit more, like,
04:00a bit worthless, a bit like, why did I do that?
04:02It's going to take more energy away from you.
04:04When you're in a really good, happy place,
04:08or, like, you know what it's like when you're on holiday, the sunshine,
04:10you're naturally feeling more sexy.
04:12So that kind of sex, like, you're literally pouring good energy
04:17into each other.
04:18Yep.
04:18Like, that.
04:21Physically, mentally, spiritually, pouring it all over each other,
04:25filling each other with love,
04:27and that's the kind of energy that I want and I need,
04:30and that's where I've gone, do you know what, actually?
04:33If that's not what I'm getting, that's not what I'm giving.
04:36Yeah.
04:37Yeah.
04:38No, I get it.
04:38I think it is.
04:40I think, obviously, sex as well has great benefits to your mood,
04:44and, obviously, you release all these endorphins and stuff like that.
04:49But, I mean...
04:49Exactly.
04:50Does it count if you use toys during celibacy?
04:53So there's different levels of celibacy,
04:55and this is what I've spoken to for the people who have been celibates,
04:58I've realised there is different levels.
05:00So some people, like, the extreme end of celibacy
05:02is that you wouldn't even masturbate,
05:06you wouldn't even give yourself any...
05:08It's literally just, like, pushing those feelings down.
05:11I think that's more about getting in control.
05:12Maybe I've not been celibate.
05:16It's that I'm a very passionate woman,
05:19and, you know, it's like an apple a day keeps the doctor away kind of thing.
05:22I think...
05:26A little O a day, you know?
05:28It keeps the stress away.
05:30But, like...
05:31We also support all the celibate people out there.
05:34Because we've done it, and it is amazing.
05:35And, listen, I would do it again in a heartbeat.
05:38I genuinely believe it is.
05:40It's the healthiest I've been.
05:41My mind was clear.
05:42Yeah, my work was, like, I was up-to-date with everything.
05:45I was replying to my calls, my messages, my emails.
05:48And it does show you how much it takes, like, time and energy
05:51when you are sharing your life with somebody else.
05:55It's a lot, but it's worth it.
05:57Your focus isn't completely on yourself.
06:00But if you're obviously doing that,
06:03you're completely focused on yourself.
06:04I wrote my first book when I was celibate.
06:07You must have been very horny, but that explains a lot.
06:10Well, that does.
06:11I was a horny gal.
06:17Okay, time for the Hot Mess Hotline.
06:20This is a 24-year-old woman.
06:23She wants to remain anonymous,
06:24and it's been voiced by someone else.
06:26Okay.
06:28Hey, guys.
06:29So, last weekend, I went on a really nice date with a guy,
06:33and afterwards, we went back to his house.
06:35One thing led to another, and while we were having sex,
06:38he stopped what he was doing, looked me in the eyes,
06:41and said,
06:42put me over your knee and spank me mummy.
06:45I didn't really know what to say or do,
06:48but it really killed the mood for me.
06:50It made me feel really weird when he called me mummy.
06:53I know people have their kinks and everything,
06:55but I found it quite intense of him to do that
06:57without talking to me about it first,
07:00and I really couldn't continue after that,
07:01so I just made a polite excuse and left.
07:04And I feel really bad, but I just needed to get out of there.
07:06Did I do the right thing,
07:07or should I have handled this differently?
07:12I feel really bad.
07:13I think that's really funny.
07:22Okay.
07:23It's just because you think you're a big man.
07:26So, I am extremely open-minded.
07:29I'm all open for a bit of, like,
07:33bent over and slap my ass,
07:35talk to me, whatever.
07:36But, like, when you are in at least a situation,
07:41never mind, like, a relationship, ideally,
07:43but on a first date.
07:44I know.
07:45It's too much, isn't it?
07:46It's creepy.
07:47I feel like it's the kind of thing
07:48you should discuss before you get there.
07:50Yeah, and I'm all for a wee bit of daddy-patter, right?
07:54Yeah, see, I don't like the mummy-daddy talk.
07:56No, I wouldn't want somebody to call me mummy, right?
07:59Oh, my God, no.
08:00Like, yeah, daddy, but not in the actual act.
08:04Like, I feel like it's more of a joke.
08:06No, I don't need to be reminded
08:08that I'm a mum in that moment.
08:10No, I wouldn't want that.
08:12I think, honestly, right,
08:13good for him, first of all,
08:15to be so open on a first date
08:18and the first time having sex with someone
08:19that he has completely just liberated himself.
08:21He's asked for himself and...
08:23That's what I want.
08:24He's asked for what he had to do.
08:26I want spanked mummy, no.
08:28But he needs to make sure that his partner
08:30is obviously consenting and taking part
08:34in that kind of activity.
08:36People have got all different weird and wonderful fetishes
08:40and each their own.
08:41Again, I'm not judging,
08:42but, like, maybe find a partner
08:44that is into the same thing.
08:46I think it's just a bit of communication beforehand.
08:48I don't think she'd done the wrong thing by leaving
08:51because if she didn't feel comfortable,
08:52then do not participate.
08:54If you are, on the other hand,
08:56you're the one with the fetish,
08:57how soon should you tell somebody about that?
09:00Before you are going to have sex,
09:01but if you really were keen to introduce that during sex,
09:04then I think that's a conversation before sex.
09:06Yeah.
09:07And say, how do you feel about this?
09:08Yeah, I agree.
09:10Mummy.
09:12I'm going to keep calling you that now.
09:13Oh, God.
09:16Yeah, no, just...
09:17Not in the bedroom.
09:19No, it's too much.
09:20It's just fucking disgusting.
09:22That's me judging, I suppose.
09:24But, no, I just think it's too much.
09:26And, yeah, unexpected.
09:30But it makes a good story.
09:31I think she's done the right thing.
09:32And bless her, because even she's not judging
09:34and she's like, you know, she feels bad about it or whatever.
09:37But if it's not for her and that is what he's into,
09:41she has definitely done the right thing by just leaving it.
09:44Just leaving.
09:44Yeah, yeah.
09:45And he should have called us and I would have told him,
09:48like, maybe discuss it if you're into something a little bit kinky.
09:52Like, that's fine.
09:53There's lots of apps for kinky people.
09:56There is, there is.
09:57Yeah.
09:58So, I'm going to say I've seen it, but...
10:02I haven't seen it.
10:04I was saying to someone that I knew, that I know,
10:08I bumped into her and she'd quite a bad breakup before
10:11and she went celibate, actually, for a while after it.
10:15And I've seen her recently and I was like,
10:17how are you?
10:18Like, how has everything been?
10:20And she was like, yeah, blah, blah, blah,
10:22talking about breakup.
10:23And I says, and have you met anyone else?
10:25And she went, I had a lovely field date.
10:29And I thought, it's fucking middle of winter.
10:31What are you doing in a field, right?
10:33So, I was like, I feel like what you did.
10:34So, that's the name of the app.
10:36So, she, it's like...
10:38And I went, oh, I've never heard of that one.
10:40Like, obviously, I've been off apps and stuff for years.
10:42And I went, I've never heard of that one.
10:44And she was like, yeah, it's for kinky people.
10:46And I was in Tesco like, okay.
10:50Like, what's on there?
10:51I don't know, but I'm intrigued.
10:53I think he should be on there, though.
10:56Is that considered a kink?
10:58Being, just asking to...
10:59I think it is, surely.
11:02Sure, the mummy, it's not...
11:04Yeah, it's the name.
11:04It's the name thing, yeah.
11:06Yeah.
11:06Because he'll be in a baby grow next week.
11:09Do you know what I mean?
11:09People do that.
11:11How would you feel if you were on a first date
11:12and someone was saying to you, like,
11:14they had a particular fetish?
11:15Say they like to lick your feet.
11:19I'd be fair enough.
11:21I wouldn't care about her feet lick.
11:22You'd let them?
11:23Yeah, quite tickly.
11:25Yeah.
11:25You'd be okay with them.
11:26Because I fell on my nails.
11:27You all right down there?
11:29Oh, God.
11:30That wouldn't bother me, if you'd like.
11:32I had those conversations with my situation
11:36before we even went on a first date,
11:38and I'm so glad that we did.
11:39It's not something I've done before.
11:41Before, I've always kind of just, you know,
11:42gone with the flow and see how it feels
11:45and if I like it and all of that.
11:46But I think because we spent so long talking
11:49before we even went on a date,
11:51we've kind of done all of it.
11:53Like, when you're just sexed and talking about,
11:55you know, what you're doing,
11:56and obviously with women, with two women,
11:59it's different.
12:00Yeah.
12:01And I think it's good to communicate
12:02and talk about what you're doing, don't like.
12:04So you would recommend that before even meeting up?
12:08Yeah.
12:09Until I'm totally comfortable, I'd be like,
12:12right, okay, like, I'm more,
12:13until I know that I actually want to have sex
12:15with this person.
12:16Do you know what I mean?
12:18Oh, yeah, but I knew that from soon as I saw her,
12:20so that's where the conversations were happening.
12:23I just needed to make sure that the sex
12:25was going to be, like, what I wanted as well.
12:28So I just needed to check what hair boundaries were.
12:31Yeah.
12:32I needed to let hair know that I didn't have any boundaries.
12:34Make sure we're all on the same page.
12:37I think that is different because you've got that,
12:39you had the months of getting to know somebody,
12:41so you actually get to know them so, so well.
12:43Yeah.
12:44But, like, for this person,
12:47if he was just randomly, like, on the phone
12:50they were going to meet,
12:51because I think she said it was the first date,
12:53didn't she?
12:54And fair enough, they've had sex,
12:55but for me, it would be too much
12:57to bring that up before a first date.
13:01I would feel...
13:02But if you plan on sleeping together,
13:04then you need to...
13:05Yeah, I know.
13:07See, because in a heterosexual relationship,
13:08obviously, you just automatically assume
13:10that you're probably both going to be happy
13:13to give and receive with the intimacy,
13:17whereas, obviously, with women,
13:19it's not always like that.
13:19I would never have known that.
13:21Yeah, it's not always like that.
13:22And you're...
13:23One's usually a pillow princess.
13:25I've learned that.
13:26Yeah, so I'm absolutely not,
13:28and I think that's probably why
13:29I wanted to just make that clear,
13:32because it is important to me
13:33that I am a giver as well.
13:36I like to please.
13:36I'm not a pillow princess.
13:38And I am.
13:39Which, yeah, you are.
13:41But typically, if there's, like,
13:43a more masculine woman
13:44and a more femme-presenting woman like me,
13:47I think most probably assume
13:49that the masculine one doesn't want to,
13:51like, physically take anything,
13:53but will be the giver,
13:53and the pillow princess, usually the femme,
13:56lies there and just enjoy
13:58and enjoy it all.
13:58And I love that, and I do do that,
14:01but there is also an equal amount of it,
14:04I would say, 50-50 of me,
14:05where I also want to be the giver as well.
14:09And some women,
14:10and not just masculine-presenting women,
14:12I'm sure there's plenty of feminine-presenting lesbians
14:15that don't want to receive
14:18and they just want to give,
14:18but I just wanted to make sure
14:20that it was okay for me to give.
14:24Okay, so what do we think?
14:26She'd done the right thing walking away?
14:28Oh, she's absolutely done the right thing.
14:32He's done the...
14:33Not necessarily done the wrong thing.
14:35He's a naughty boy.
14:36He's a naughty boy,
14:38and he needs a God spanking from mummy.
14:41But not her.
14:43Not her.
14:44He chose the wrong woman.
14:49So, have you heard about the spicy book scale?
14:55I've heard of it,
14:56I don't fully understand it.
14:58It's like a rating chart, isn't it?
15:00Yeah.
15:00So, when, basically,
15:03TikTok has made spicy books come back to the radar,
15:07and I feel like,
15:08which has been great for me,
15:10but it's put them on the map, basically,
15:12and so many people,
15:13we've just got a huge new audience,
15:16and obviously lots of young people,
15:18and TikTokers,
15:20and people on social media and stuff,
15:22they review the books by chili peppers,
15:25red chili peppers.
15:26Okay.
15:27So, if it's, like,
15:29maybe a wee bit spicy,
15:31so, like,
15:32maybe
15:34hinting at sex,
15:36or, like,
15:36there's this, like,
15:37maybe one love scene in it.
15:39Okay.
15:40It would be, like,
15:41one red hot chili pepper.
15:42Right.
15:43Then the next one is,
15:45obviously, if it's two,
15:46so it's maybe two or more sex scenes,
15:49then three,
15:50it's amped up,
15:51four is, like,
15:52pretty hot,
15:53and five,
15:54just, like,
15:55hardcore,
15:55shagging all the way through the book.
15:57That's what I was just thinking,
15:59so the scale is more on
16:01the amount of
16:03sex scenes throughout the story.
16:04I thought it was more, like,
16:05the amount of detail that it goes into.
16:07No, so it's usually,
16:08so it's basically how much sex is involved in the plot,
16:12so it could be that as well.
16:14So it's how much,
16:15how sexy the book is.
16:17If it's full,
16:18basically,
16:19pornographic,
16:19it's five red hot chili peppers.
16:22But obviously,
16:23Steve...
16:24What are yours?
16:25Mmm.
16:27I think it depends.
16:29Mines are funny, though.
16:30Mines are, like,
16:31but there is that wee...
16:34Maybe a four.
16:35Really?
16:36Yeah.
16:36That's spicy.
16:37Yeah.
16:38It depends what book is well.
16:40Some are spicier than others.
16:42Oh, I love this.
16:43Yeah.
16:44And I love how everyone's,
16:45again,
16:46just being open and talking about it
16:47and even, like,
16:48rating
16:49how
16:50spicy it is.
16:51because I suppose it's almost like
16:52an age rating in some ways.
16:54Yeah.
16:54Some people,
16:54if people don't want to...
16:56Yeah,
16:56because if you're a horny gal,
16:58you're like,
16:59I think I'm going to go for a red hot five tonight
17:02and then...
17:03Where do you think this has all come from,
17:05this big lift all of a sudden?
17:06I do keep seeing it everywhere.
17:08I think it is coming from social media.
17:10I think books once were considered
17:12quite a boring thing
17:14and, like,
17:15you're very...
17:15Fifty Shades, obviously,
17:17went massive.
17:18Went massive.
17:18Went huge.
17:19But then people are obviously discovering
17:21that there's actually books out there
17:22that are really funny
17:24and really down to earth
17:26and, like,
17:27the way that you would...
17:28There's a book that's going to appeal
17:30to everyone, basically.
17:31So, yeah,
17:32I think social media has encouraged people
17:35to start reading,
17:36which is amazing.
17:37I love when I find...
17:39I find a lot of my books under,
17:41like,
17:41in the bookshops and stuff
17:42and it's, like,
17:42TikTok made me buy it
17:44and it's, like,
17:45there because people, like,
17:46go on and review it
17:47and it's done, like,
17:49wonders for the sort of...
17:50I love it.
17:51I think it's a much safer
17:54and probably more realistic
17:56thing to do,
17:57especially for younger people
17:58if they're reading and exploring.
18:00I'd rather see somebody
18:02reading a spicy book
18:03than, like,
18:04watching porn
18:05that half the time
18:06it's not real.
18:07Yeah.
18:07It's not going to,
18:08especially for most younger boys,
18:11teenagers,
18:12young adults,
18:12like,
18:13they're going to have this vision
18:14of just what's...
18:15It's not real.
18:16That's not how sex is,
18:17whereas in the books
18:18it probably is more real.
18:20Well,
18:22fantasy.
18:23Have you seen the fantasy sex books?
18:25Right,
18:25so,
18:26again,
18:27I'm trying my best
18:28not to judge,
18:28but I find this
18:30so strange
18:31and I'm very,
18:31very open-minded,
18:32but the fantasy thing
18:34is just something
18:35I can't get my head around.
18:36Right,
18:37so,
18:37I was very much
18:38of the same opinion.
18:40Obviously,
18:40my books aren't fantasy books
18:42and I just thought
18:43that's a bit strange,
18:45blah, blah, blah.
18:46However,
18:46I was on holiday
18:47and I happened to pick up
18:50a book
18:51and it was about fairies.
18:53Now,
18:54not like a little
18:55Tinkerbell fairy.
18:56Fairies in this book
18:58were like these wolves
18:59that had wings
19:00and morphed into
19:02actual gorgeous,
19:03obviously looking men.
19:04And anyway,
19:06this book
19:07changed my life.
19:09Really?
19:10I was sitting by the pool,
19:11it was that thick as well,
19:12and my children were trying,
19:14mum,
19:14mum,
19:14mum,
19:14I'm like,
19:15thinking fuck off
19:16that now I am
19:17and I'm busy.
19:18You've got lost
19:19in a fantasy book.
19:20I was obsessed,
19:21I was obsessed.
19:22What is it?
19:23Oh,
19:23it was just so hot,
19:24I loved it.
19:25But what is,
19:27what's sexy about
19:28things that,
19:28it's not even real,
19:30it's not real people.
19:31Right,
19:31so most of the time
19:32they were like
19:33in human form.
19:34I feel ridiculous
19:35having this conversation.
19:37Most of the time
19:38they were in human form,
19:40but they were also like
19:42really bad and stuff.
19:45they were like
19:46the bad guys.
19:48So yeah,
19:49and they,
19:50they were like
19:51really nice
19:53and
19:54it's really,
19:55it's a complicated story
19:57because I'm like
19:57five or six books in now,
19:59but I absolutely
20:00love these,
20:01I love a fantasy book now.
20:03It's changed me.
20:04I think,
20:04I do think
20:05it's great,
20:06it's creative,
20:07it's imaginative
20:08and I think
20:08it's a lot safer,
20:09like I said,
20:10than watching other things
20:11and it's nice
20:12to sit and read,
20:13I suppose,
20:14but yeah,
20:15the fantasy thing
20:15I don't,
20:16I don't completely understand.
20:18What is it like,
20:19like your audience,
20:20is it more younger
20:22or older?
20:23I can't imagine
20:23who's buying spicy books.
20:25So my audience
20:26is honestly
20:27such a huge scale.
20:30Mostly,
20:30I would say
20:31from like
20:3120 to
20:3345.
20:34However,
20:34I've got a huge
20:36amount
20:36that eight year olds
20:37that you're
20:38walking past
20:39in the hospital
20:39and they're sitting
20:40reading your books
20:40and stuff like that.
20:41Have your parents read it?
20:43No,
20:44my mum's not.
20:44My mum and my dad,
20:45like,
20:46I told them not to read it.
20:48And they never have?
20:49They've never done it,
20:50no.
20:51Of course,
20:52yeah.
20:52No,
20:52yeah,
20:53they've not,
20:53they've not read it,
20:54but,
20:56yeah,
20:56they listen to this,
20:57so I don't know
20:58what's worse sometimes.
21:00How do you know,
21:01when you're writing,
21:02how do you know
21:02where to start off,
21:03like,
21:03with the detail
21:04of what went down?
21:07So,
21:07I think
21:09when I'm writing
21:10like a spicy scene,
21:11I'll just go for it.
21:13Like,
21:13I'll be like,
21:14write it as filthy
21:16and
21:17if I'm doing it
21:18like a funny filth,
21:20just try and get
21:21the balance right.
21:22But,
21:23yeah,
21:23I just go for it
21:24and if I've taken it
21:26too far,
21:26my publisher will be like,
21:28this needs changed,
21:30Sophie,
21:30you cannot say that
21:31or whatever.
21:32But most of the time,
21:33yeah,
21:34they roll with it
21:34and they're like,
21:35this is so hot
21:36in the comments
21:37and stuff like that.
21:38I'm like,
21:38yeah,
21:39I know it is.
21:40But I love writing it,
21:42honestly,
21:42sometimes it does make me
21:44a bit horny
21:44when I'm writing
21:45these scenes
21:46and I'm like,
21:46Jesus,
21:47I need to go for a wee walk.
21:52Okay,
21:53so we have
21:54a game to play.
21:56Okay.
21:57Sophie and Christine
21:59need to come up
22:00with spicy book plots
22:01based on given titles.
22:03Okay.
22:05Right.
22:06Forbidden Velvet.
22:09Forbidden Velvet.
22:11Okay.
22:12If Forbidden Velvet
22:14was a book,
22:15quick plot.
22:16What was the plot?
22:19This is about
22:20a dancer,
22:22a performer.
22:23Right,
22:24lover.
22:24And she
22:26obviously always
22:28appears
22:28in the club
22:29behind these
22:30velvet curtains
22:31and she goes out
22:31and she performs
22:33and her
22:34boss
22:35falls in love
22:36with her.
22:37They obviously
22:38realise that
22:39they can't
22:40cross that line
22:41of the professional
22:42relationship
22:43and she has
22:45feelings for him too
22:45so for a while
22:46the celibate.
22:48The date.
22:48Love that.
22:50And then
22:51eventually
22:52he buys
22:54her own
22:55club
22:56so that she
22:57becomes this
22:58business owner
22:58and he calls it
22:59Forbidden Velvet
23:00because it was
23:01forbidden for him
23:02to go near
23:03the woman that
23:04appeared out of
23:05the velvet curtains
23:06so he buys
23:07her own place
23:08so that they
23:09can have a
23:09relationship
23:10because she
23:11no longer
23:12works for him
23:14and they have
23:15the most
23:16amazing time
23:17they have
23:17her daughter
23:18they call
23:18her velvet
23:19and then
23:20they get
23:21divorced
23:21she keeps
23:22the business
23:22she keeps
23:23the kid
23:24she's got
23:25her own place
23:25Forbidden Velvet
23:27and she is
23:27once again
23:29forbidden for him
23:29to come near her
23:30and that
23:31was the story
23:32of it
23:32I'm just
23:33draining off
23:33of it
23:36I love that
23:37so off
23:38the come
23:39right okay
23:41Midnight Whispers
23:43okay what can
23:44that be about
23:46Midnight Whispers
23:47I should be good
23:47at this
23:48oh I have
23:49thought of
23:49plot for this
23:50right okay
23:51tell me your
23:51plot
23:51Midnight Whispers
23:52I am thinking
23:53okay so
23:55in the military
23:58back way back
23:59when women
24:00weren't allowed
24:01to be together
24:02in the military
24:03oh I love this
24:05so they're in
24:05this female
24:06camp base
24:07and they're all
24:08there and
24:09there's these
24:10two women
24:11that every night
24:12at midnight
24:13they step outside
24:14of their tents
24:15to go and fill up
24:16the water bottles
24:16because they have
24:17to go outside
24:17to fill up
24:18the water bottles
24:18and they do it
24:20every night
24:20at midnight
24:21just so that
24:21they could
24:22whisper to each
24:23other because
24:24they knew
24:24that they would
24:25get kicked
24:26out of the army
24:27if they told
24:29everyone that
24:29they had feelings
24:30for each other
24:30so Midnight Whispers
24:33was them two
24:33building up
24:34their relationship
24:35and everybody
24:36found out
24:37and they were
24:37in fact
24:38deported
24:39kicked back
24:40you're not allowed
24:40in the army
24:41no more
24:41went to prison
24:42so then
24:44they obviously
24:45fell madly
24:46in love
24:47and they lived
24:47together
24:48they left the army
24:48but they fought
24:49for women's rights
24:50and they changed
24:51the law
24:51and then they
24:52got married
24:52and now
24:53you can have
24:55gay
24:56lesbian
24:56bisexual
24:57straight
24:58anything
24:58in the army
24:59thanks to the
25:00two women
25:00that fell in love
25:01haven't
25:02whispers over
25:03Midnight
25:04there we go
25:05did they get
25:06a divorce
25:06no
25:07but these are
25:09two women
25:10that have
25:10changed
25:11they've changed
25:12the law
25:12they've changed
25:13it for everyone
25:14forever
25:14okay
25:16the edge
25:17of temptation
25:18the edge
25:19of temptation
25:19oh wow
25:21this could be
25:21so many different
25:22yeah it could
25:23this is a good one
25:24the edge
25:25of temptation
25:27so I feel like
25:28the edge
25:29of temptation
25:29needs to be
25:30based on
25:31someone
25:34who's just
25:35ready to
25:36take it a wee
25:37bit too far
25:37oh I've got it
25:39so this guy
25:40and women
25:41are on a first
25:42date
25:42it's going
25:43really well
25:45and
25:46she really
25:47likes him
25:48he really
25:48likes her
25:49and then
25:50they decide
25:51to take
25:51it back
25:52to
25:53his house
25:54okay
25:56they're enjoying
25:57their self
25:57they're kissing
25:58things are
25:58steaming up
25:59it's going to
25:59be like
26:00a number
26:00three on the
26:01spice scale
26:01so things
26:02are really
26:02steaming up
26:03they're touching
26:03each other
26:04oh love it
26:06and then
26:07he's
26:08he's saying
26:08oh there's
26:09something that
26:09I want to
26:10tell you
26:10but no
26:11I can't
26:11I can't
26:12he's on the
26:12edge of
26:13temptation
26:13she's like
26:14tell me
26:15tell me
26:15and they're
26:15rummaging
26:16each other's
26:16hair
26:17and then
26:18he's like
26:18I just
26:18want you
26:19to bend
26:19me over
26:20you
26:20and call
26:21my mummy
26:24spank
26:24my mummy
26:28and that
26:28is the
26:29edge of
26:29temptation
26:31he didn't
26:32stay on
26:32the edge
26:33though he
26:33jumped off
26:33the cliff
26:34he went
26:34for it
26:35and then
26:35he realised
26:36there was
26:36no parachute
26:36she didn't
26:37want to
26:37be called
26:38mummy
26:38and she
26:39about turned
26:40and get
26:41the 240
26:41back home
26:45well Sophie
26:46thank you
26:46so much
26:47for sharing
26:48and being
26:48so open
26:49I'm not
26:50sure if I'm
26:50gonna look
26:51at you
26:51the same
26:51ever again
26:52but I
26:53appreciate you
26:54being so
26:54open and
26:54honest about
26:55your fantasy
26:55about
26:56Mackings
26:58it's nice
26:58to hear about
26:59yours
26:59no they're
27:02honestly so
27:03good so I
27:04recommend a
27:05steamy novel
27:07whether it's
27:08fantasy
27:09whether it's
27:09not but
27:10honestly
27:10100%
27:11it will
27:12help with
27:12the celibate
27:13people as
27:14well
27:14yeah well
27:15I am
27:17officially
27:17going to be
27:18out of my
27:18two week
27:19celibacy
27:19very soon
27:20and I
27:21can't wait
27:21I love
27:22that for
27:22you
27:22I'm gonna
27:23de-stress
27:23we done
27:24we finished
27:25can I go
27:25I've got
27:25things to do
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