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00:00:08Welcome to the Myers Report, London reporting. It is Sunday, March 22nd, 2026.
00:00:17With us today, our young people are from the London School of Economics,
00:00:22and they include James Bennett and Robert Young. From Mississippi State,
00:00:28we have Charlie Grunlow, and Therene Putahara is a recent graduate from Northwestern University.
00:00:37Some of our older members who are asking questions and making comments and observations and sharing
00:00:44their wisdom are Paul McGonigal, former diplomat and international banker, and Barry Chapman,
00:00:51a polymath whose experience includes business transformation, acquisitions, logistics management,
00:01:00cybersecurity, identity management, and a lot more. I'm not even going to try and explain what he really
00:01:05does. Anyway, as we deal with the issues of governance in the U.S. and abroad, we will bear in
00:01:14mind that we're looking at this through a special lens, which I think is appropriate now, of spirituality
00:01:22and religiousness. The reason is that these concepts are critical to understanding the positive results
00:01:31that we have seen in Western civilization, particularly that with the U.S. and our governmental structure.
00:01:39Personally, I am a believer in the genius of the Founding Fathers and their masterful creation,
00:01:46the U.S. Constitution. However, it is not for everyone and will not work everywhere, including here,
00:01:53if we are not careful and mindful of our roots. Charlie, you found a rather salient reference
00:01:59from John Adams. Can you please share it with us? Absolutely. Give me one second so that way I may
00:02:07find it again. John Adams, beloved man of American history's founding father, John Adams, one of his
00:02:17core beliefs was that our Constitution was made for only a moral and religious people. It is wholly
00:02:23inadequate to the government of any other. This, I think, is true. And with this in mind, one of the
00:02:31original intents of London reporting was to look at how U.S. policies and events today are perceived in
00:02:39the U.K. and elsewhere, particularly among young people. Now, obviously, there's so much going on in
00:02:45the U.K. that we have to look at what's happening there because I think it's world-shaking. Today, we
00:02:51are
00:02:51tackling a few questions. One is, what is the view of the U.S. going after Iran? What was and
00:03:00is Iran a
00:03:02serious threat to the U.S., Europe, and the Mideast? And considering current events, are you optimistic
00:03:10or pessimistic about your personal future? As we go through your answers, please tell us how you did the
00:03:17questions. Let's start with Rob Young at the London School of Economics. Rob, can you tell us
00:03:25what you did, how you did it, and what they told you?
00:03:28Yes. So, we questioned people both on the LSE campus as well as the KCL campus, both of which are
00:03:37leading universities in London. KCL is King's College London, correct?
00:03:41Yes, it is. And LSE is London School of Economics and Political Science. I did this with James, so if
00:03:47he wants
00:03:48to jump in, that'd be quite reasonable. But yes, so we asked everybody, and we asked if they could, we
00:03:55could
00:03:55record their answers on video, and everybody said no, some of them quite aggressively, which we found
00:04:02interesting. However, everybody whom we approached did indeed have lots of strong opinions.
00:04:08But they really didn't want to be, why didn't they want to be recorded?
00:04:14It could be for personal reasons or ambition. For instance, they don't want to say anything now,
00:04:19it should come back later. Or perhaps they were worried that we were going to do one of those
00:04:24sorts of interviews in which we make them look like a fool, which happens quite a lot on University
00:04:29Kampai. We're also notorious far-right fascists, so they're probably, a lot of them will have
00:04:35probably recognized us and been, has had natural prejudices against us.
00:04:41So they didn't, they had a prejudice against you personally?
00:04:46Well, yeah, I mean, many of them will have recognized myself or wrong from our work in the LSE
00:04:53Conservative Society.
00:04:56And that's a bad thing?
00:04:59Well, of course, they think it is, yes.
00:05:02Okay, so what did you find, what did you hear and what did you find out?
00:05:06Well, the general view, go on James.
00:05:11I mean, we did try to get like quite a range of views, but a lot of it was very
00:05:15sort of
00:05:15the rules-based liberal order and very, very critical of America and very critical of Trump.
00:05:22So I'll give you an example on the question of the nuclear threat of the Iranian regime.
00:05:27I'll give you two quotes that we got on that.
00:05:30So one student said that the nuclear threat is a serious concern, but it should not be addressed
00:05:37through the unilateral military action from America, but through things like non-proliferation.
00:05:43And then another student said that the threat is very exaggerated and Iran's behavior is mainly
00:05:50because of the security pressure that they face from Trump's America and from Netanyahu's Israel.
00:05:58Can I point something out, guys?
00:06:03Are they aware that it doesn't take a nuclear missile to deliver an atomic warhead?
00:06:09It could be something that's not much bigger than this.
00:06:13And that can go anywhere inside carry-on luggage or a cargo container.
00:06:21Are they not aware of that?
00:06:22And it would be a lot easier to get it into the UK than it would be the US,
00:06:26but they could get it into the US anytime.
00:06:31Are they not aware of that?
00:06:34Guys?
00:06:35Well, I don't think they question the capabilities, but whether there's the intention to do so.
00:06:43I also think they might even have missiles which can reach the UK now.
00:06:46But I think most people don't see why anyone would bother attacking the UK.
00:06:52Wow.
00:06:54Which is a sad.
00:06:56I don't even know how to react to that one.
00:07:02Okay, and now we'll come back to the other questions.
00:07:10Charlie, what did you find down in Mississippi State?
00:07:13So I attended a bi-weekly Turning Point USA conference.
00:07:22I could not attend the College Democrats conference as it is next week, as I wanted to do.
00:07:29But there's no fault in that.
00:07:32Do it next week if you can.
00:07:34All right.
00:07:35But I got about four people, actually.
00:07:40It was originally three, but there's four now.
00:07:42I got four people to talk about this with me.
00:07:48I'm going to talk about the one that did actually wish to – that allowed me to name drop.
00:07:54If you – you will recognize this man, Mr. Myers.
00:07:57He was the guy I brought in shortly after Charlie Kirk's death.
00:08:01His name is Thomas.
00:08:03Yes.
00:08:04I talked to him about this.
00:08:05He couldn't make it today.
00:08:06He was busy.
00:08:07But Thomas – Thomas essentially told me about the Iranian nuclear threat, that he thinks there was a real and
00:08:16serious nuclear threat from Iran, but not to the United States.
00:08:21He initially thought that – well, direct continental United States.
00:08:26He thinks that more than likely the worst-case scenario would have been an attack on the Mideast.
00:08:32That is what he told me.
00:08:35Specifically, he said, I fully believe the United States – well, Iran would attack Israel, the Gulf states, the Gulf
00:08:43Arab states, or Turkey more than they would attack the United States directly.
00:08:49Interesting.
00:08:49He thinks that – that is what he –
00:08:51Go ahead.
00:08:53Go ahead.
00:08:54On policy, Thomas was – Thomas was towards Iran.
00:08:59He thought we were being pretty hawkish.
00:09:02That's his direct words.
00:09:04He thinks that a big – and this was a thought given to me by one of the other people
00:09:12I interviewed.
00:09:12He thinks – he is worried, not that he thinks.
00:09:15He is worried that the U.S. is playing second fiddle to other countries in the Mideast.
00:09:20A lot of talk online has been about how Israel's military had planned this strike, and the U.S. was
00:09:27either forced or implied to go along with it because they kind of had to.
00:09:31But he is optimistic about midterms.
00:09:34That is the question I asked everyone else here.
00:09:39And I see that as a – are you optimistic for the continuation of the Trump government, at least in
00:09:48the turning point sense?
00:09:48And he said he is cautiously optimistic.
00:09:52He thinks if this Iran thing is going to blow over before the end of next month, then he thinks
00:10:01Republicans will do fine in the midterms.
00:10:04Very interesting.
00:10:06What about the other people you spoke to?
00:10:09The other people I spoke to, the most interesting – I'll start with the most interesting first.
00:10:16This was a guy who was 20 years old.
00:10:18He was a junior on campus, and he had been with Turning Point, I believe, for the past two years.
00:10:25He asked not to be named, which is perfectly fine.
00:10:30He was very similar to Thomas, and he believed that Iran was not a nuclear threat.
00:10:36But interestingly, he thought they weren't a nuclear threat almost at all, which I think – which I personally think
00:10:42is wishful thinking.
00:10:45I call it delusional, but go ahead.
00:10:47Yes.
00:10:48On U.S. policy, he is – he very much dislikes it.
00:10:54He much prefers – much like how James and Robert saw, non-proliferation.
00:11:00He much prefers talking to these governments.
00:11:04And he is not optimistic about the midterms unless the U.S. were to focus more on internal matters.
00:11:11Okay.
00:11:12Theraine, you had gotten information from people you've spoken to around the world.
00:11:19Do you want to give us a quick rundown on what they were thinking?
00:11:23Let's start off with U.S. policy toward Iran.
00:11:29Sure.
00:11:30So these responses –
00:11:32And by the way, modify the language with something more suitable to the expletives.
00:11:38Of course.
00:11:40So these responses came from a poll that I conducted in a group that Charlie and I are part of,
00:11:47which includes a diverse and worldwide group of history enthusiasts and just young people who like to discuss things.
00:12:03So as far as U.S. policy goes –
00:12:07The U.S. policy toward Iran, specifically.
00:12:11U.S. policy toward Iran, yes.
00:12:12So the first response was from somebody who recently moved to San Francisco, California, and he said that they are
00:12:25technically somewhat a nuclear threat, but practically no.
00:12:30And he found the motive questionable as he believes that the popularity of the war in the U.S. is
00:12:41at rock bottom.
00:12:43Where is this guy from?
00:12:45He's from where?
00:12:47He recently moved to San Francisco, California.
00:12:50Where he lived before, Charlie could probably tell you better.
00:12:53Okay.
00:12:53But go ahead.
00:12:53So what happened?
00:12:56Let's just keep it moving quickly.
00:12:58Go ahead.
00:12:59And he's a Republican, by the way.
00:13:01And then that they would have everything to lose from an attack on American soil, not to editorialize, but essentially
00:13:11by galvanizing the American people against them.
00:13:15Then another guy from Portland, Oregon, who considers himself an independent, says, yes, they were a nuclear threat, but not
00:13:24to the U.S.
00:13:25They were developing nuclear weapons before and even after nuclear deals.
00:13:30And he said Trump might have jumped the shark, but securing Iran would prevent it from happening.
00:13:37Jump the shark?
00:13:37What does that mean?
00:13:38Jump the gun?
00:13:39Yes, jumping the gun.
00:13:42And as for the guy from California, he said that the war was not executed in the interest of the
00:13:48American people and that the U.S. is possibly facing imperial collapse, just like the British did during the Suez
00:13:57Canal crisis.
00:13:57Then another guy who is from Dublin, Ireland, and he's part of the Irish Nationalist Party.
00:14:05He said that Iran was not a nuclear threat and he, flipping, hates America and wants it to collapse.
00:14:16Then another independent from Springfield, Missouri, said that it was an Israeli scheme to destroy the Arabs by placing a
00:14:34puppet ruler on the Iranian throne.
00:14:40And that each time the U.S. does something, all it does is agitate Iran more and thus cause more
00:14:49conflict.
00:14:51And how old is this guy?
00:14:52He's 18?
00:14:54He's, this one is 17.
00:14:5717.
00:14:58Then a Moldovan guy.
00:14:59Does he know how to spell the word appeasement?
00:15:02But go ahead.
00:15:02We're not going to get into that.
00:15:03We want to know what these people are thinking, irrespective of whether or not we agree.
00:15:07Go ahead.
00:15:08And a Moldovan guy who currently lives in Frankfurt, Germany, said that the Iranian regime will always be a nuclear
00:15:17threat.
00:15:18And you cannot just sabotage them with the most elaborate computer virus the world has ever seen, which is, to
00:15:26say, Stuxnet.
00:15:27That's something you can only do once.
00:15:32And another guy who lives in Lisbon, Portugal, and would be a right-winger there, he says they're not really
00:15:46a nuclear power.
00:15:47They could technically create a nuke, but they have shown no sign of actually wanting one.
00:15:53And that the U.S. policy toward Iran is disastrous, saying that we're abandoning actual U.S. assets in the
00:16:05region, the Gulf states, in favor of a country whose existence is a detriment to U.S. positioning in the
00:16:10region, and the detrimental effects of the closure of the Strait of Hormuz on the global economy.
00:16:22Wow.
00:16:25James and Rob, what do you guys think about this?
00:16:32About our responses, the responses to the U.S. attacks?
00:16:36Yeah, it seems like it's pretty, it seems to me like it's pretty negative.
00:16:40Paul, what's your take on it?
00:16:42Go ahead.
00:16:43What's your take on it, James?
00:16:45What?
00:16:47The responses that we got, I'll go through them now.
00:16:49So the first one actually was quite complimentary about America and Israel, and said that they were, basically they were
00:16:57just trying, that both countries were just trying to be realistic about the situation that they're in, and that the
00:17:01attacks were perfectly rational.
00:17:03Because they're both acting to prevent a rival from gaining a decisive advantage, i.e. the nuclear threat.
00:17:10And actually, I asked them a follow-up about the whole international law thing, and if this potentially undermines international
00:17:18law, and they said that even if it did undermine international law to a degree, because of the threat posed
00:17:25by Iran, that shouldn't override the necessity of the actions, because, and I quote, legality is secondary to survival in
00:17:36cases like this.
00:17:36And the second student was much more critical, and very much more critical, and very much leaned into the sort
00:17:43of international law thing.
00:17:44And this is something you get at LSE quite a lot, because everyone's very sort of focused on maintaining the
00:17:50post-war, liberal, rules-based international order.
00:17:53And they more or less said that the strikes undermine international law, therefore they're bad, and they said that because
00:18:00they cannot be clearly justified under self-defense, then they're undermining international law, and the entire West should condemn them,
00:18:10because the attacks risk weakening the international order that the West is supposed to be upholding.
00:18:17I've got four more, if you want me to just go through the rest of the responses.
00:18:20Go through them really fast, go ahead, and then we'll start discussing.
00:18:24So the third student said that they were both, that they were destabilizing to the region, and they're also hypocritical
00:18:31on the part of America, and argued that there was a significant element of selectiveness about how nuclear concerns are
00:18:41considered globally.
00:18:42Essentially arguing that there was prejudice against Iran and similar countries because of other aspects of that country, as opposed
00:18:50to other nations, which might be perceived to be already possessing or developing a nuclear arsenal.
00:18:55The fourth student just focused on the economics, really, because LSE, and talked about how the most important and consequential
00:19:07impact long-term will be on oil prices, due to the effects on shipping routes.
00:19:13The fifth student sort of agrees with the rationale for it, like they agreed with the idea that there's a
00:19:23nuclear threat from the Iranian regime, but said that the attacks so far will only delay the program, they won't
00:19:29actually solve the underlying issue.
00:19:32And then the last student said that they were completely counterproductive because they'll just increase the potential risk of escalation.
00:19:42Okay. Paul and Barry, which one of you guys wants to make a comment or ask some questions?
00:19:48I'll just make one comment, if I could jump in first, Barry.
00:19:53There's one principle that you should always keep in mind, and that is never believe what your government tells you
00:20:01when it's at war.
00:20:05Okay. That's true. That includes every government.
00:20:09That includes every government. I think in particular of LBJ and Vietnam, and it's probably also true of this government
00:20:16with respect to Iran.
00:20:18Don't forget, in the June strike, our government told us that we had obliterated Iran's nuclear capability.
00:20:29And a couple of months later, we tell them they're an imminent nuclear threat.
00:20:33Now, which of those statements do you think is true?
00:20:35I think they're both.
00:20:37Maybe both of them. We didn't. Obviously, we did not obliterate it.
00:20:40Okay.
00:20:42Okay. So, Barry, what's your take on what the guys said and Paul's view?
00:20:50Well, I think that we need to take a look at what each of these diverse individuals, both diverse from
00:21:00a standpoint of politics and diverse from a standpoint of geography,
00:21:05have to say and do a causal analysis of what caused them to say what they said using psychometrics and
00:21:15different types of analytic tools.
00:21:18And one of the things that you want to look at is, where do they get their news sources?
00:21:25What sort of personality do they have?
00:21:28There are 16 different personality types.
00:21:30Some people sense.
00:21:31Some people perceive.
00:21:33You know, in terms of forming their opinions.
00:21:36Who are their friends?
00:21:39Do they have mostly left-leaning, right-leaning friends?
00:21:43Do they apply critical thinking?
00:21:47Do their friends apply critical thinking?
00:21:49What knowledge gaps do they have?
00:21:52Do they understand the history of Iran and the U.S. and Israel and the different intricacies over the last
00:22:0150, 60 years?
00:22:04Do they understand the technology when it comes to nuclear technology?
00:22:09Do they understand the economics in terms of economic impact and things like that?
00:22:16Do they have a knowledge of current events?
00:22:19And so, when you take a look at that, and you take a look at what sort of propaganda have
00:22:25they been exposed to,
00:22:26and like Paul said, on both sides, you've got Iran's propaganda, you've got the U.S. propaganda,
00:22:35you've got the left- and the right-leaning propaganda.
00:22:38Everybody is going to, you know, put a spin on the truth.
00:22:47So, you have to employ critical thinking to arrive at the truth.
00:22:52So, I think this shows that there's a wide range of opinions.
00:22:57There's a wide range of falsehoods based on a lack of, you know, knowledge gaps in certain areas or critical
00:23:08thinking gaps.
00:23:09And so, I think if we dug down into that, we could get a better understanding of why people in
00:23:18different geographical areas and different political views think about the things that they do.
00:23:25Robert, Rob, do you or James want to tackle that one?
00:23:31What do you think about their backgrounds and what they have?
00:23:33I have a theory.
00:23:36Go ahead, Charlie.
00:23:37Sorry to rain on y'all's parade.
00:23:41Don't worry.
00:23:41My personal theory is that a lot of the hesitation of the younger folks to this war-
00:23:51Get closer to your mic.
00:23:52I apologize.
00:23:53A lot of the hesitation is a large disconnect from the Iran as you guys know it.
00:24:02You guys grew up and were around when the hostage crisis happened, the Islamic revolution, all of that things.
00:24:12You guys, I do believe, understand.
00:24:17You intimately understand because it was thrown at you every other week for, I think, 20 years about what Iran
00:24:25was doing, how they were messing up, how they were blowing up U.S. bases, and how they still blow
00:24:30up U.S. bases.
00:24:32I remember stuff like that happening when I was 15 years old in high school, and I think that's the
00:24:41biggest reason for a lot of this dissonance between younger and older people on Iran is because we were not
00:24:48born in the same time as the hostage crisis, when Iran was doing a lot of things.
00:25:03Gary, you're muted.
00:25:07Can you hear me now?
00:25:08Yes.
00:25:10There are two ways of looking at this.
00:25:11One is from a micro perspective where you can make it sound like it's Trump's war, or the other is
00:25:17that this is ending a war that began 47 years ago, which is the way I see it.
00:25:25But it's an interesting, it's interesting.
00:25:28I see tremendous gaps in history, but we're not talking about my views.
00:25:36Rob, what is your view on this about what these people are thinking and why they're thinking what they're thinking?
00:25:44You've got to get off me.
00:25:45Go ahead, Rob.
00:25:46I think Charles has a fantastic point, and it's interesting that you think that it's a continuation of a long
00:25:54-fought war.
00:25:55I don't think that's what young people are thinking, particularly in the UK.
00:25:58I think we've been brought up with Iran the way that it is, and they're not particularly interested in the
00:26:05way that it is.
00:26:06I think there's also been a shift in modern perspectives very recently, particularly with the current shift of young people
00:26:13going towards conservatism, that they're more realist and less interested in intervening in other nations and the ways in which
00:26:21they operate.
00:26:22And that sort of furthers the fact that in the UK, people aren't really keen on intervening.
00:26:31Even if there's a threat to them, do they not remember Winston Churchill and Neville Chamberlain?
00:26:40Well, there are two things.
00:26:42Firstly, no, they don't, which I think, you know, it's something confined to history books, which most people don't read,
00:26:50which I think is a terrible shame.
00:26:51Perhaps more optimistically about young people, I think they might be perceiving some differences.
00:27:00People are very strong in Ukraine because it's on the continent.
00:27:03I think people fear less Iran because it's so far away, and perhaps they ought to be concerned with the
00:27:10humanitarian stuff.
00:27:11But I think ultimately people in the UK just don't see Iran as a massive threat, particularly if we don't
00:27:18upset them and awaken them and aggravate the country.
00:27:23James, what's your take on this?
00:27:26I think a large part of the perspective is largely fueled by prejudices that stem from the needs to stick
00:27:35to the two founding principles of student politics.
00:27:38That is more bad than Trump bad.
00:27:41I have a feeling that if, you know, Kamala Harris was presiding over these same strikes, then students might be
00:27:47a little bit more receptive.
00:27:49But I do think another aspect of this is...
00:27:51Hold a second, hold a second.
00:27:52You think that they would have liked Kamala Harris more?
00:27:57No, I'm saying that if Kamala Harris had been doing these strikes and the prejudice of needing to stick to
00:28:04the notion that Trump bad was no longer on the table,
00:28:07then they might be more receptive to the strikes.
00:28:10So I think the fact that it's Trump doing it is definitely playing a role in how they perceive it.
00:28:14However, I do think that there is a genuine opposition to interventionism that's as a result of many of the
00:28:24points that Rob was talking about.
00:28:25But I don't think we can also ignore that aspect, that there is going to be some inherent bias from
00:28:30the fact that it's Trump doing strikes and not someone who they might like a bit more.
00:28:35We have just joining us, John Meek, who's now living in Bulgaria and who's our contact with a host of
00:28:45Balkan and Central European countries.
00:28:52Okay, Charlie, carry on from here.
00:28:58Do you see these people as having an optimistic view about their own futures when you did your interviews?
00:29:05I think the question about how do you think Republicans are going to do at the midterms is a great
00:29:11question for a TPUSA crowd,
00:29:14mainly because it shows how concerned they are with the future of the party.
00:29:18The responses I got were very mixed.
00:29:22I've talked to four people, as I've said.
00:29:24Two, one is greatly pessimistic.
00:29:29One was optimistic but very cautious.
00:29:33One was optimistic and one was not sure.
00:29:37And I think that's a big understanding of how to correctly identify where the Republican Party in the United States
00:29:45is,
00:29:45especially with young people.
00:29:46Young people, I think, are young people, Gen Z and millennials.
00:29:53The millennials experienced the Iraq War as it was, and Gen Z has heard stories about it.
00:29:58And frankly, a lot of them don't like it.
00:30:03They never liked it whatsoever.
00:30:05And when it comes to that, there's a lot of these people that are growing up with the notation that
00:30:10any kind of international instigation is bad,
00:30:15specifically because we might get involved in a multi-year conflict that's going to claim thousands of American lives.
00:30:21And it doesn't matter how relatively few it is, because, I mean, if I remember correctly, we've lost less people
00:30:30in Iran in this operation than we lose yearly in training accidents.
00:30:35It doesn't matter how many it is.
00:30:37It's American lives lost for an unknown amount of gain.
00:30:43John Meek, are you still with us?
00:30:46He's gone.
00:30:47I guess we lost him.
00:30:49Okay.
00:30:50Theraine, what's your take from the people you've spoken to?
00:30:54Sure.
00:30:55About their view of the future for themselves.
00:30:57So the three Americans, there were three Americans and three Europeans, which was interesting parallelism.
00:31:05I think the two Americans who answered the question about whether they're optimistic or pessimistic were, I think the answers
00:31:22were fairly telling.
00:31:27Where, um, what did they say?
00:31:30The, uh, the guy, the Republican from California said that he's ambivalent about, uh, whether things will go well or
00:31:38poorly and that he thinks the Dems are going to win the midterms, uh, unless Trump hammers down on deportations.
00:31:46Uh, and it, and he thinks that, uh, that Mr. Trump is letting that fall by the wayside.
00:31:54And the other, the other guy says, I'll do fine.
00:31:58I have a solid safety debt, so I'm not going to go into debt or be homeless, which leads me
00:32:03to think the subtext of that is that the, um,
00:32:07The country is, well, I think he thinks that the country is going to, uh, do poorly, but that he
00:32:17will be, uh, okay, regardless.
00:32:20Right.
00:32:20As for the Europeans, um,
00:32:27Yeah.
00:32:28No, actually, no, the, sorry, all three Americans answered.
00:32:31The other, the other guy also had a pessimistic view of the future of the U.S.
00:32:37Uh, two of the Europeans answered, uh, the guy from Ireland said that he, uh, he's optimistic because he has
00:32:46to be optimistic to change things, uh, or to turn the country around.
00:32:51Um, Ireland is not in a great place right now, uh, as, uh, as Robert and, um, and James might
00:33:00tell you.
00:33:01And the Portuguese guy says that, uh, said something similar, that he's decently optimistic, but, uh, in Portugal, things will
00:33:09have to get much worse before they get better.
00:33:13Okay.
00:33:13With all that, uh, Paul McGonigal and Barry Chapman, can you give us your take, your analysis, and your perspective
00:33:21on this?
00:33:22On, on, on the future?
00:33:24Yeah, on the, on what these people are saying.
00:33:26I, I, I bet, I will always bet on the resiliency and underlying competence of this country.
00:33:34And it goes beyond what you think of the policies of any existing administration.
00:33:38We're going to be okay.
00:33:39Talk about the United States.
00:33:40Yeah, we're going to be okay.
00:33:43Uh, which is very interesting because, uh, Paul is, Paul, President Trump is not one of Paul's favorite people.
00:33:53Right.
00:33:53Barry, what is your take?
00:33:55Well, I, I just think it underscores what, what the, uh, everybody said.
00:34:00It underscores the knowledge gaps in history, technology, the economy, current events that these, uh, people that were interviewed have.
00:34:11And it would be interesting social experiment to, uh, kind of fill in those knowledge gaps with information and let
00:34:19them take a look at it and see if it changes their opinions on it.
00:34:23Right.
00:34:23Uh, I feel optimistic because, um, from an economic standpoint, um, the administration has put in place things that will
00:34:34improve the productivity of the United States and improve the, uh, you know, the, the influx of money coming into
00:34:43the country, uh, versus the outgo of money before, uh, tariffs were in place.
00:34:51Um, so that more things are going to be made in the U.
00:34:55Uh, and that's going to have a positive effect on the U.S. now, and that's going to have a
00:34:58positive effect on the economy.
00:35:00Um, and the fact that they're reducing the threat levels in, you know, in South America and the Mideast, uh,
00:35:10once that gets done, I think that's going to have a positive effect on the economy.
00:35:16Uh, and it's going to kind of lower the threat level for business investment and things like that.
00:35:22Okay.
00:35:22Let's do a quick roundabout here, uh, to try and wrap up this session.
00:35:28James Bennett, are you optimistic about your personal future and that of the U.K.?
00:35:35Or pessimistic?
00:35:37Uh, um, I, um, focused on making sure that we get, uh, a right of sense of government at the
00:35:45next general election.
00:35:46Um, and once we know what the answer is there, then I'll better be able to tell you whether we
00:35:50still have a chance or whether it's game over.
00:35:54Do you think the U.K. has a chance to recover from its problems now?
00:35:59Right now we do.
00:35:59Well, if, if we waste the next election, then that's it, in my opinion.
00:36:05Rob, Rob Young, what's your view?
00:36:09Are you optimistic or pessimistic?
00:36:11I'm pessimistic about it.
00:36:13I don't think it depends on international relations, though.
00:36:16Uh, I think it is about internal politics and the next election will decide massively whether the U.K. and
00:36:25the individuals, every individual in it will prosper.
00:36:28Um, but I'm quite pessimistic because I think even James's side, the more popular side, also will fail to fix
00:36:36it because there's a level of political simplicity in the U.K.
00:36:40So I'm quite pessimistic.
00:36:42Are you and James on different sides?
00:36:46Um, well...
00:36:48I didn't know that.
00:36:50Rob supports the centre-left party called the Conservatives.
00:36:54No, every shape is at least three sides, really.
00:37:00And James is on the more simple one.
00:37:03Simple or uncomplicated?
00:37:07Those are two few words.
00:37:09I use my words.
00:37:10Easy now, easy now.
00:37:14The rain.
00:37:15Are you optimistic or pessimistic going forward?
00:37:20Well, I, um, I think it's too soon to tell.
00:37:24I am obviously, as, um, Mr. Chapman mentioned and, uh, Mr. McGonigal mentioned, I, uh, I do believe that the
00:37:35U.S. as a whole is going to be fine.
00:37:37I'm not so sure about the Republican Party.
00:37:40I think it really depends on the strategy and the decisions that are made from now until, uh, until midterms.
00:37:47I don't think it has a lot to do with the Iran war, but I do think people are very
00:37:52attuned to domestic policy right now.
00:37:53So, uh, we'll have to see how that goes.
00:37:57Charlie, what's your view?
00:37:58My, my view is, uh, specifically for the future of the Republican Party and right politics in America is that,
00:38:07uh, without Donald Trump, we really have no one else.
00:38:11Um, I don't, I, I don't fully believe that anyone that is not a direct successor of Trump would be
00:38:17able to do anything that can realistically create a, a better, uh, or at least continue this quote unquote rightist
00:38:26movement across the United States.
00:38:27The new conservatives, um, so to speak.
00:38:30Um, so, uh, uh, as it, like, I don't think it's a Santa's presidency could do that.
00:38:35I don't think anything else, but I do think we are on the right direction.
00:38:38It's too early to tell, like, uh, like the rain said, but I am optimistic about the midterms.
00:38:43I think if we can wrap this up as soon as possible,
00:38:46Well, not just the midterms about the future of the country in general and about in general, about in general.
00:38:52I think, I think if, uh, I think if Donald Trump wins these midterms, we will, uh, I, I will
00:38:59feel very, very, uh, secure in America's future going forward.
00:39:03Paul McGonigal.
00:39:05Um, I, I, I, my own view, I shouldn't comment too much on the dynamics of the Republican Party, except
00:39:11to say that.
00:39:12Um, I, I, I think the country would benefit from a real Republican Party.
00:39:19And what I mean is a Republican Party that foregoes aggressive public intervention in the private sector.
00:39:25The level of public intervention in the private sector in this administration is absolutely unprecedented.
00:39:32And that's not a good thing.
00:39:34Um, I, on that part, I would agree, sort of.
00:39:38I think it's worthy of more discussion, which we will have, but I get it.
00:39:43Barry, let's wrap it up.
00:39:45What is your, are you optimistic or, where are you, Barry?
00:39:48Three things.
00:39:49First of all, I agree with Lorraine, Charles, and Paul on the Republican Party.
00:39:54It's broken.
00:39:55It needs to be fixed.
00:39:56Uh, it's split into MAGA and, and RINOs.
00:40:02And, uh, there, there's a lot of money flowing in different places that has, uh, kind of had an impact
00:40:09on election integrity, um, and caused it to be stalled.
00:40:14Um, in terms of optimistic, pessimistic, I am pessimistic on the state of Virginia and its future, but I'm optimistic
00:40:24on the country.
00:40:25And I think that the midterms, uh, you know, once the election integrity is affirmed, um, I think the, the
00:40:35midterms will go well.
00:40:36And I think the country will be on a good direction.
00:40:42Okay.
00:40:42And with that, I want to say thank you to everybody.
00:40:44I think we will do some more of these surveys from time to time.
00:40:48I think that they were very informative and we'll see if attitudes around the world are changing.
00:40:54And now when I want to say thank you, be safe, uh, God bless the UK and God bless the
00:41:00United States of America.
00:41:04This was interesting, guys.
00:41:06One of the things that, uh, I was asked, well, first off, let's open it up to anybody who has
00:41:12any questions or wants to make any comments.
00:41:14We have other people who were listening in.
00:41:16I just have a comment on the depth of European opposition to what's going on in Iran.
00:41:22I wonder if people are aware, we know that there was a limited, so to speak, it was a nice
00:41:27way to put it, response to the administration's request for help on the Gulf and the Straits of Hormuz.
00:41:35I don't know if it's as broadly known as that both the Spanish and the French have closed their airspace
00:41:41to American aircraft going back and forth in the Iran.
00:41:46Why did they do that?
00:41:48They do it because, I mean, it just illustrates the depth of their opposition to what we're doing.
00:41:55You know, I think Trump was doing a test of NATO when he asked for help on the Straits of
00:42:01Hormuz, and he's seen the results of that test.
00:42:05Yeah, but, right, but, you know, NATO was designed to, for people to help when we've been attacked.
00:42:12We don't necessarily expect our NATO partners to help us when we were initiating the conflict, particularly when we didn't
00:42:20consult them in the first place.
00:42:21But aren't all the NATO partners under attack from Iran if they want to send a ship through the Straits
00:42:27of Hormuz?
00:42:30Yes, but they haven't, and they're not.
00:42:33Yeah.
00:42:37Well, go ahead.
00:42:39So, I wanted to comment on something that you mentioned earlier,
00:42:46about how it sounds like living in your parents' basement.
00:42:55So, I went to Spain.
00:42:57Hold on a second.
00:42:59Let's stay on task here.
00:43:00Gary Kennedy, you had a view, it looks like, on, got on mute,
00:43:07on what's going on with respect to the Straits of Hormuz,
00:43:11and as a submariner, you know what the variables are?
00:43:16Well, as far as what's going on in the Straits,
00:43:20I think that we're not dealing with rational people in the Iranian government,
00:43:27and that's very dangerous.
00:43:29And we've got to treat them differently than we do any other potential adversary,
00:43:35because they just don't act the way we think.
00:43:38By the way, for those who don't know,
00:43:41Gary Kennedy is a submariner.
00:43:43He commanded U.S. nuclear attack submarines
00:43:46and an ICBM submarine, a boomer.
00:43:51But go ahead, Gary.
00:43:52Well, the whole mutual destruction that happened during the Cold War
00:43:58was based on somebody being rational.
00:44:01In other words, they wouldn't attack us
00:44:03if they knew an attack on us would be their total destruction.
00:44:07These guys aren't that way.
00:44:10These guys are, for lack of a better description,
00:44:15they're religious fanatics.
00:44:17They believe that they want world domination.
00:44:20They don't want anything short of it.
00:44:21They don't want cooperation.
00:44:24And we are leading,
00:44:27the American people are being misled,
00:44:30not by Trump,
00:44:31but by the people who preceded him primarily,
00:44:35into believing that these people will behave rationally.
00:44:39We can bribe them.
00:44:40We can do anything.
00:44:41They will do anything.
00:44:43They will lie.
00:44:44They will cheat.
00:44:45They will, I mean, one of their religious dogmas is called Hijra.
00:44:52It's conquest by migration.
00:44:54We've got open borders.
00:44:56We just brought in 10 to 20 million people that we didn't vet.
00:45:01We are headed down the same path that I'm afraid.
00:45:04I always have believed that if you want to see what's going to happen in America's future,
00:45:09take a look at England.
00:45:11They're about 20 years ahead of us down the same path.
00:45:16We're all Westerners.
00:45:17We grew up with Western ideals.
00:45:20And we're going down.
00:45:23Some of the things are is that we don't,
00:45:27we've lost,
00:45:27we're losing our perspective on appeasement.
00:45:29And some of you young guys are perfect examples.
00:45:33You admit that you weren't here for the 1938 Neville Chamberlain episode
00:45:40that cost 50 to 100 million people their lives.
00:45:45And the younger generation is buying into things like climate change,
00:45:52which I think is extremely dangerous.
00:45:55As if I not only was on nuclear submarines,
00:45:59but I majored in physics in college.
00:46:01I understand a lot about solar radiation and things like that,
00:46:06that affect the climate.
00:46:08I'm not a climatologist by any means,
00:46:11but these things that we're going with,
00:46:14anybody knows that solar panels don't work.
00:46:18If that would be the case,
00:46:19then China would be solar powered by now.
00:46:22They make these things and sell them to us.
00:46:24They don't use them.
00:46:25They use fossil fuels.
00:46:27And that's because they're reliable.
00:46:30And we've got,
00:46:31I mean,
00:46:31there are people who want to have solar powered tanks.
00:46:34That is the most insane thing I have ever heard of.
00:46:38Solar powered tanks?
00:46:40Yeah.
00:46:40They think we can have solar powered.
00:46:43I'm talking about the people on the fringes that are leading us down these paths.
00:46:50Slogans like diversity is our strength.
00:46:54That is absolutely not true.
00:46:56And that's one of the problems England has right now was mass migration by people who are not Westerners.
00:47:03Some of them are good people.
00:47:04Some of them are not true Muslims.
00:47:07Just like many of the Christians,
00:47:10most of the Christians probably aren't true Christians.
00:47:13They don't really understand their religion at all.
00:47:15But it only takes five or 10 percent to destroy a country,
00:47:21to create a revolution.
00:47:23And I think that England is,
00:47:25their birth rate is down.
00:47:27Most of Europe,
00:47:28their birth rate is down below the sustainability level without immigration.
00:47:32And they're emigrating,
00:47:34they're admitting people that don't share their view.
00:47:40And that's eventually,
00:47:42by migration,
00:47:43they're going to be conquered.
00:47:44This is,
00:47:46this is just crazy insane.
00:47:49And I'm finally glad that we have a leader like Trump,
00:47:52who recognizes it.
00:47:54People say Iran was not a threat,
00:47:57not an imminent threat.
00:47:58Well,
00:47:59what,
00:47:59what did they want to do?
00:48:01Did they want to wait until Iran had a non-nuclear missile defense that was
00:48:05impenetrable so they could develop nuclear weapons with impunity?
00:48:11Or do they want to get rid of them before they get to that point where they're
00:48:16invulnerable to any kind of retaliation?
00:48:20And that's,
00:48:21that's a very good point.
00:48:23And it goes to,
00:48:26just to,
00:48:27you could argue,
00:48:28I,
00:48:28I accept what you're saying about the irrationality and the messianic nature of the,
00:48:33the,
00:48:34the,
00:48:34the Iranian government.
00:48:36But one aspect of it is entirely rational.
00:48:39And if the,
00:48:39if you look at it from the Iranian perspective,
00:48:42and they look at a couple of things,
00:48:43they,
00:48:44we asked Libya to get rid of its nukes.
00:48:46It did.
00:48:46And what happened to Libya?
00:48:49But nobody's touched North Korea.
00:48:51Why is that?
00:48:51We should not,
00:48:52we should,
00:48:52hold a second,
00:48:53Paul,
00:48:53we should not,
00:48:54we,
00:48:55we,
00:48:55once Gaddafi was,
00:48:57was calmed down and tamed,
00:48:59we should have left him alone.
00:49:00Instead,
00:49:01we got,
00:49:01we got rid of him and created chaos.
00:49:04Yeah,
00:49:04but we wouldn't have done that if he had been nuked.
00:49:07If he had,
00:49:08if he had nuclear capability.
00:49:09No,
00:49:10that's the point.
00:49:11That's the point.
00:49:11And he wanted to get nuclear capability.
00:49:14Well,
00:49:14it had nuclear capability.
00:49:16And they gave him up and they got invaded.
00:49:19Same with Ukraine.
00:49:21Yeah.
00:49:22Precisely.
00:49:23there's another point that I want to.
00:49:25And North Korea's got it and it hasn't been invaded.
00:49:27So if Iran is looking rationally at history,
00:49:32they were hell bent on acquiring a nuclear capability.
00:49:36Or conventional capability would make an unacceptable,
00:49:39the cost unacceptably high of invading them.
00:49:43And that despite the fact that Israel is a nuclear power too.
00:49:46And you could argue that deterrence should work.
00:49:50But if you,
00:49:51if you take,
00:49:52if you accept the concept that these guys all want to become martyrs in
00:49:56heaven someplace and collect 17 virgins each,
00:49:59then maybe deterrence doesn't work.
00:50:01I think that's where Iran is right now.
00:50:04For those of us who remember,
00:50:06there was a president of Iran.
00:50:07I believe he was the president.
00:50:09His name was Ahmadinejad.
00:50:10And he admitted.
00:50:12I remember his goal was to instigate Armageddon.
00:50:16Yes.
00:50:17He didn't remember.
00:50:18He died because he knew he was going to go to heaven.
00:50:21Right.
00:50:22For 47 years,
00:50:23these people have been living with two concepts,
00:50:27death to America.
00:50:29And death to Israel.
00:50:30And what?
00:50:31Death to Israel.
00:50:32And death to Israel.
00:50:34There's another point I want to go back at.
00:50:37And that is absent from that agenda was the prosperity of the Iranian people.
00:50:42Yes.
00:50:43Because the Iranian people were in much better shape before the Ayatollah than
00:50:46after.
00:50:47Oh,
00:50:47yeah.
00:50:47But there's another point I want to quickly address.
00:50:51And that is the idea of diversity is our strength.
00:50:55It's nonsense.
00:50:57Winston Churchill put it very well.
00:51:00With his use of irony when he described the U.S.
00:51:03and the U.K.
00:51:04as being two nations who are separated by a common language.
00:51:08He was being obviously ironic because it's the commonality and the of the language that bound us together.
00:51:15And it's the commonality of language and culture that binds any country together to make it be able to prosper
00:51:23and to withstand adversity.
00:51:25Because the term Balkanization is not without true meaning when everybody is totally different and they want to kill each
00:51:35other.
00:51:36And they've had and they've had and the conflicts in the Balkans go back, what, a thousand years.
00:51:42So, the idea of our strength is diversity is a bastardization of what is true in American history, which is
00:51:56that, yes, we have diverse people that have come to our country and they have assimilated into an American culture
00:52:06so that we were unified.
00:52:08But, you know, the American immigration law from 1924 to 1965 prohibited two kinds of people from immigrating to the
00:52:21United States.
00:52:23Muslims and Asians, Muslims and Asians, because their cultures were so different that they wouldn't assimilate.
00:52:30We've seen that over and over again.
00:52:32And then we changed it in 1965 to prioritize third world countries.
00:52:40And we began to destroy the most important part about the United States is the word united.
00:52:47And that's where we are now.
00:52:48Look at Minneapolis.
00:52:50Look at Dearborn.
00:52:51We've got no-go zones in the United States.
00:52:55We've got Sharia courts in the United States.
00:52:57Right.
00:52:58But look at the success of the Korean immigrants and the Indian immigrants in the United States.
00:53:03That's fine.
00:53:05And Britain did the world a favor by introducing democracy into India.
00:53:11That was one of their biggest...
00:53:13India is the largest democracy in the world today.
00:53:16That's right.
00:53:17But they come from a place where democracy is the standard.
00:53:22These other...
00:53:23It's also true of Korea these days.
00:53:26Yes.
00:53:26Korea is a democratic state.
00:53:29And so is Japan.
00:53:30Yeah.
00:53:32John, Meek came back with us.
00:53:35John, you're in Bulgaria.
00:53:37And you travel...
00:53:38Turn off your mic, please.
00:53:40Turn on your mic, please.
00:53:41Yeah.
00:53:42What are you seeing about the need for a unification or homogeneity of our own population?
00:53:51Well, like I said, the conflicts here go back forever.
00:53:56And a lot of it's...
00:53:57Here meaning the Balkans, right?
00:53:59Yes.
00:54:00I'm actually between three meetings, literally.
00:54:04One was with some fires in Italy.
00:54:07One is a charity for the Bulgarian kids in Albania.
00:54:11And this one.
00:54:12So please forgive me hopping in and out.
00:54:15Please forgive me.
00:54:15It's a very active night.
00:54:17Unity among a country is absolutely important, not only linguistically, but I would also argue cultically and culturally.
00:54:28Because a language is nothing more than communication through the filter of a culture.
00:54:36For example, here in Bulgaria, we have Bulgarians, Serbs, Macedonians, Turks, Pol Mazi, the whole shoot and match.
00:54:47But when push comes to shove, if there's a fight with the Greeks or the Turks or the Serbs, we're
00:54:53all Bulgarians.
00:54:54It's everything goes on the back burner.
00:54:58Yeah, for those of you, it looks like we had some from the diplomatic corps here.
00:55:02If you remember the tail end of, I think it happened at the tail end of Zhivkov's administration right before
00:55:09communism fell apart.
00:55:11There was one of the most southeastern states, and I always forgive the name, wanted to start teaching Turkish in
00:55:19school and wanted funding for the mosques.
00:55:23And based on the idea that they're mostly ethnic Turks.
00:55:26This is in where, Russia?
00:55:28No, no, in Bulgaria, here.
00:55:30Okay, yes.
00:55:31And Zhivkov said, you want that?
00:55:33Go back to Turkey.
00:55:35And Pol Mazi there said, fine, we will.
00:55:38They picked up their stuff, left, and when they went to Turkey, they were treated as second-class citizens because
00:55:44they were the Bulgarians.
00:55:45So the idea of ethnic-cultic unity is absolutely important.
00:55:53Yes, we can all be different things.
00:55:55However, there has got to be a common thread, and without that common thread, it falls apart.
00:56:02Okay.
00:56:04Anybody want to make some comments or ask any questions?
00:56:07Now's the time.
00:56:09Yeah.
00:56:10One second, Gary Kennedy.
00:56:11One second, Thoreen.
00:56:12Gary Kennedy.
00:56:15Yeah, two points.
00:56:16One is, with no disparagement of the young folks on the call today, but there is some advantage to historical
00:56:26perspective.
00:56:27And I don't mean studying it in books, but if you go back to the age of 16 or 17,
00:56:35don't listen to them.
00:56:36They don't know anything yet.
00:56:39There may be some exceptions.
00:56:40I consider you guys way above the average for your age.
00:56:46In fact, probably even for people my age.
00:56:53But I remember things, and they stick with me, and I know that things like multiculturalism won't work.
00:57:01The United States was founded on the principle that man is evil, and man needs to be constrained.
00:57:09You can't let people concentrate power.
00:57:11And if you bring in people from a dictatorship, they're fleeing, but they bring with them the cultic and the
00:57:19political history of their country.
00:57:22And if you let them in too fast, they will never assimilate.
00:57:26They will balkanize, and that's exactly what we're getting.
00:57:29We're right on track.
00:57:32Steve Stern, are you still with us?
00:57:36He was calling in from, he was in there from Florida.
00:57:40All right.
00:57:41Anybody have any questions or comments?
00:57:44I'm good.
00:57:47Theraine?
00:57:48Yes.
00:57:48So the third question that we asked was, are you optimistic or pessimistic about your future in your country, right?
00:58:00Yes.
00:58:01And I think the pessimism that we're seeing, I don't think that's entirely groundless.
00:58:12When I went to Spain in the summer between my, or the summer after my senior year, I went to
00:58:23Spain on a study abroad.
00:58:24And one thing we learned in a class about Spanish culture was the concept among late millennials and Gen Z,
00:58:35who are getting into the workforce and graduating from university, of miliurismo.
00:58:40Miliurismo, which is the fact that most people in, or most young people in Spain end up with a salary
00:58:59coming out of college of about a thousand euros a month, which is not enough to cover living expenses in
00:59:07Europe.
00:59:07Yeah. And meanwhile, migrants and other people who aren't supposed to be there are living on the dole for free.
00:59:19But obviously the Spanish citizens are essentially ineligible for that.
00:59:25And that is the case, I think, throughout Europe.
00:59:31And it's beginning to be the case here as well.
00:59:36And people are not finding jobs, or it's very difficult to find jobs after college, certainly in your own field.
00:59:48And it's difficult to find housing now.
00:59:54Costs are quite high, although they have gone down since the Trump administration started to the administration's credit.
01:00:04But overall, I think that the liberal, or the American dream and the liberal compromise have, I think they've left
01:00:18a lot of our generation disaffected.
01:00:23And they're starting to look for alternatives on the left and the right.
01:00:29And I think both the Republicans and the Democrats are undergoing schisms at the moment,
01:00:38because there is a very strong America first and America only, broadly Catholic and traditionalist movement on the right,
01:00:54which is opposing some of the more traditional views and even like the MAGA tech bro kind of synthesis that
01:01:10came out of the 2024 election.
01:01:13And I think that's a real break that could potentially happen.
01:01:18I think I can make it, I think I can simplify this.
01:01:22Sure.
01:01:24Our educational system stinks.
01:01:26Our teachers stink.
01:01:29They have stopped teaching about American ingenuity and get off your ass and dance,
01:01:35about how to get something done, to be self-reliant.
01:01:39They have destroyed this.
01:01:40They have made our country into people who think they're entitled to something.
01:01:45None of us are entitled to anything except an opportunity.
01:01:49John Meek, you were going to say something?
01:01:51You had a question?
01:01:54Going back to what the previous, I think Barry was saying, and I think either Paul or Gary, forgive me,
01:02:01sorry, about the immigrants.
01:02:03One thing we have to bear in mind, a national unity is, and this includes me.
01:02:09Let me put this down.
01:02:10But any time you have an immigrant coming from any country, we bastardize, is that the right word in English?
01:02:20Depends on how you mean it.
01:02:22We bastardize the local culture.
01:02:25So we are, regardless of where we're from, we're an inherent danger to the culture.
01:02:31Because we bring something from, like me, I bring stuff from the states.
01:02:34Can't help it.
01:02:36Came here at 40-something, American.
01:02:37Second, I naturally, just because of the enculturation that started from infancy, I bastardize the Bulgarian culture around me.
01:02:47No matter how much I assimilate, no matter how good I get at the language, I will influence the culture
01:02:54around me.
01:02:54And I'm one out of thousands coming over.
01:02:58Because we get the refugees from the Middle East.
01:03:03So, even in the best of circumstances, you have to be very, very, very careful.
01:03:08And, in fact, some of these countries here in Europe are starting assimilation laws.
01:03:13Language laws for citizenship have been here for years.
01:03:16But now, up north, I forget which one of the countries, because it's kind of outside of my, where I
01:03:22poke around.
01:03:24One or two of them are starting assimilation laws.
01:03:27You have to do the culture, or you're out.
01:03:30Or you can lose your citizenship, I think one of them had.
01:03:33And this is rising consciousness, and I think the Americans need this.
01:03:38You know, with, of course, a certain amount of gentleness, of course.
01:03:41But you have to remember the good immigrant, even at best.
01:03:46I think instead of gentleness, you might want to use the word compassion.
01:03:50Yes, thank you.
01:03:54Even in the best circumstances where we're really trying, we still dirty the water.
01:04:01Is that right?
01:04:02Muddy the water.
01:04:03Is that the right term in English?
01:04:04Muddy.
01:04:04Muddy.
01:04:05Muddy the water.
01:04:05We muddy the water, no matter what happens.
01:04:08So, the point of immigration cannot be underplayed.
01:04:14There we go.
01:04:15Okay.
01:04:15Gary Kennedy, to close it out, you got a question?
01:04:18Turn off your mute.
01:04:19Turn off your mute.
01:04:21Get it.
01:04:22Unmute.
01:04:23There you go.
01:04:24There we go.
01:04:26There's one other category of immigrants that are earlier immigration law prohibited, in a sense.
01:04:35And that is, even for Western countries, the immigration quota.
01:04:41They had immigration quotas from each of the Western countries.
01:04:45And there was 2% of the existing immigration population.
01:04:51In other words, if there were 100,000 polls, you got 2% of that the next year.
01:04:56And the reason was that it takes a generation to acculturize, I guess is the best word I can think
01:05:05of at the moment.
01:05:05But it takes 20, 30 years for somebody to be completely acclimated.
01:05:10I got in an argument with a girl who was a Vietnam boat person.
01:05:15She came over.
01:05:16She watched a guy get shot right in front of her on the boat when she was 8 years old.
01:05:20And she wanted to have, she was a Buddhist.
01:05:26But her parents converted to Methodists to get ingrained in the United States population once they got here.
01:05:35But when she got married, she wanted to have a Buddhist ceremony.
01:05:40And I told her, I said, you know, you are starting to acclimatize yourself to the United States.
01:05:48Your parents probably won't.
01:05:52But your children and your grandchildren will be Americans.
01:05:56They will no longer be Vietnamese.
01:05:58They will be Americans.
01:05:59That's the other part of that 65 immigration law change that we eliminated.
01:06:05And that's the whole problem with immigration is it can't be too fast or you'll be overwhelmed.
01:06:12You'll lose everything.
01:06:13It is almost certainly true that the original immigrant will never be perfectly assimilated.
01:06:20That's right.
01:06:20Or even significantly assimilated.
01:06:23The kids, the kids are a different story.
01:06:26Yeah, that's right.
01:06:27My grandfather came here in 1926 or something from Italy.
01:06:31His English was always lousy.
01:06:34Because he spent all day speaking Italian working in the shoe factory with his buddies.
01:06:39The kids and me, the grandkids, you know, are a different story.
01:06:45But you're right.
01:06:46Because if you've got to wait a generation, you really shouldn't move too fast.
01:06:52Right.
01:06:52That's why some of the European countries, I think, are doomed.
01:06:57Not the country itself, but the culture that it has in the past that we think of it.
01:07:02When we think of France or Germany or England, once your birth rate is too low, you're lost.
01:07:10You cannot recover.
01:07:12Even if you have 10 children per person, per childbearing woman, because it takes 20 years to create an adult.
01:07:21Right.
01:07:22And there's no way you can recover.
01:07:23However, if you get below 1.2 percent, your culture is gone.
01:07:27You have been taken over.
01:07:29You have lost the battle.
01:07:31And Russia is a perfect example.
01:07:34There are not enough Russians around to sustain that country.
01:07:39It's gone.
01:07:39The culture.
01:07:41James, you have a question or comment?
01:07:45Yeah, I mean, one point I want to make, and this is probably quite unique to Britain's situation, or the
01:07:51situation of other European countries, that an important factor of this is the idea of consent.
01:07:58Because in America, obviously, that nation was built by settlers, migrants, whatever you want to call them, people coming across
01:08:05from Europe in their millions.
01:08:06But in Britain, the migration that we've seen since 1997 has received strong public opposition for the entirety.
01:08:15And even before, even the migration that was happening in the 50s, 60s, 70s, public polls and surveys that were
01:08:22taken from back then showed significant opposition to the migration that was happening then.
01:08:26And that pales in comparison to the levels that's happening now.
01:08:29And time after time in the UK, the British people have voted against it, and yet it's been imposed on
01:08:34them anyway.
01:08:35So we can talk about, you know, the ones that were already here and how we can best integrate them
01:08:40and the challenges of assimilation.
01:08:43But I think it's very important to maintain so that, you know, if we do manage to get past this
01:08:47existential crisis to make sure that we don't repeat these mistakes in the future,
01:08:51that having the consent of the people already in the country who've built the country over hundreds of years,
01:08:56if you want to bring more people in, if you want to bring more people in, is a very important
01:08:59factor.
01:09:00And I think the neglecting of that factor by previous governments in this country, and I imagine other European countries,
01:09:09is a very damning betrayal.
01:09:11And it should be remembered in history hundreds of years from now as exactly that.
01:09:20You know, Michael Savage, Dr. Savage predicted this about 20 years ago in the book that he wrote on Culture,
01:09:30Language, and Borders.
01:09:32And in the back of the book, he had 40 actions to save America.
01:09:37And that's a very interesting book when you read his predictions 20 years ago.
01:09:44Same with Patrick Buchanan.
01:09:47He wrote a book in 2000.
01:09:49It was called Death of the West.
01:09:51And he predicted this thing very accurately.
01:09:54I talked to a friend of mine in England in about 1991, 1992.
01:10:00And he said, I said, Britain or England.
01:10:05And he said, we don't call it Britain or England anymore.
01:10:09We call it the UK.
01:10:11And I said, why is that?
01:10:13And he said, because we're not British.
01:10:17He said, we're losing our culture so fast that we'll never recover.
01:10:22That was, what, 20, 30 years ago.
01:10:26Anybody else?
01:10:30This was an interesting session.
01:10:32The intended subject matter lasted, that subject lasted about 40 minutes, which I think was perfect.
01:10:40And we're going to make some good use out of this.
01:10:43And one of the topics that we're going to have coming up for London reporting is going to be comparing
01:10:50sports fans in the UK versus sports fans in the United States.
01:10:54And schools, which are better, Harrod or Eton, and so forth.
01:11:02Not that any of you guys have your own opinions on it, but we shall see.
01:11:08Guys, thanks much.
01:11:24Thanks.
01:11:25Thanks, Mark.
01:11:28Thanks.
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