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00:01Every 90 seconds, someone is reported missing.
00:06Many return to their families.
00:09For others, something has gone seriously wrong.
00:13Four or five days later, the neighbour still hadn't seen my sister Rosie.
00:18In Ipswich, from a troubled community, a vulnerable woman is not seen for days.
00:23To be honest with you, she was nothing like any of us.
00:27We were all hardened. Rosie weren't like that.
00:30What happens in the police investigation that follows?
00:34He certainly was viewed as an intimidating character, not someone to be crossed.
00:39The police knew that the murders were connected and put out a press release to say two people had been
00:46arrested.
00:47What happens to the family at its heart?
00:50I was broken hearted. I expected that to go to my grave, not me to go to hers.
00:56When missing, it turns to murder.
00:59I was blown away from her.
01:23Rosie but as my half-sister .
01:25I was the oldest.
01:32She was friendly, outgoing, you know, helpful, kind, considerate.
01:39I mean, to be honest, I was brought up mostly in a children's home,
01:42but when I did come back home, she was just like a normal sister.
01:49Sometimes she was nice, sometimes she was a pain in the arse, you know?
01:53I had my friendship.
02:01Me and Rosie hit it off.
02:04She was the type of person that you couldn't not like her.
02:09She just got on with everybody.
02:13We liked the same type of music, older music, reggae music.
02:17We used to spend time talking about and listening to music,
02:20but I think it was her vulnerability that drew me to her.
02:25She was pure-looking.
02:27You'd look at her and it's like looking at a little girl sometimes.
02:31Me and Rosie were just listening to our music.
02:34So it was lovely. It was nice.
02:39Rosalind Hunt was described as being kind, generous, a lovely woman.
02:46You know, what we know about Rosalind Hunt is that everybody talked very well of her.
02:52She'd been married.
02:56The cath my sister used to go into was a griddle.
02:59That's where she met her husband.
03:01And with the man who becomes her husband, Rosalind Hunt has two children.
03:07Because she got married when she was so young.
03:10She didn't want the responsibility of motherhood.
03:14She wanted it, but she didn't want it.
03:17I don't think she knew what she wanted.
03:20I think she fell out of love with him and she wanted a single life.
03:25After the breakdown of Rosie's ten-year marriage,
03:28her life gradually becomes more unstable.
03:34When her marriage ended, she was drinking heavily
03:38and she couldn't find a job.
03:42When I used to go in the pub,
03:45Sonny should be there.
03:47Always sitting round the table with a lot older people,
03:50a lot older than me.
03:53Rosie did like to have a drink.
03:55And more than one or two, she was quite a heavy drinker.
04:01Some of the blokes she met, they were drinkers.
04:06They used to drink heavily.
04:09So I think that dragged her into it as well.
04:14She'd become homeless.
04:18I offered to put her up, her and her son.
04:21And I was getting blokes knocking on my door,
04:24left, right and centre.
04:25Oh, it's Rosie and it's Rosie.
04:27And she'd be hiding up saying,
04:29tell them I'm not here, tell them I'm not here.
04:31It was too much having these people knocking on my door.
04:36And she was going out expecting me to babysit for her.
04:40I'd never asked my sister to leave.
04:43We'd just come to a mutual agreement.
04:45I said, right, Rosie, this ain't work.
04:47And she said, no, I ain't.
04:49And I remember she said to her son,
04:51pack your bags, we're not wanted here.
04:55It wasn't that I didn't want her.
04:59It wasn't that I couldn't cope.
05:04That led to this awful spiral of events
05:07where she ended up as part of this
05:09Ipswich street drinking community.
05:14She fitted in with the group really, really well.
05:17Everyone got on Rosie.
05:20Although Rosie is a regular face
05:22in the street drinking community,
05:24the vagrant nature of the group
05:26means someone's absence isn't always noticed.
05:33Rosie, with her general lifestyle,
05:36it wasn't unusual for her not to be seen
05:39for one, two, three days.
05:42The lifestyle was such that she became estranged
05:46to a large extent from her immediate family.
05:49And effectively, day to day, she wouldn't see them
05:52or even week to week.
05:57When Rosie left my house,
06:00she'd never ever tell me where she lived
06:03or who she was seeing or staying around.
06:08Unlike many of the other group members,
06:10she had a council property.
06:12Rosie wouldn't always go home.
06:15Sometimes she'd stay out.
06:16She'd stay with us and that.
06:19She had nothing at home.
06:20She had nothing to go home for.
06:23So why go home?
06:25Why go home to an empty house
06:27when you can be with 30 or 40 people
06:29that are on your wavelength?
06:33She'd never told me anything about her life
06:36when she was living down, down that way, a town.
06:40She didn't want me to round her
06:42because she didn't want me to see how bad it was.
06:46I don't think she wanted to be like that,
06:48but I think she got caught in a notch.
06:50She couldn't get out of.
06:52I wish she could have done.
06:54Believe me, I really do.
06:57To be honest with you, she was nothing like any of us.
07:02Nothing like any of us.
07:04We're all hardened, you know, we'll look after ourselves.
07:08Rosie weren't like that.
07:12Unfortunately, because Rosie didn't have a constant in her life
07:16that was looking after her or was with her,
07:18she wasn't actually reported missing as such,
07:21but she was missing.
07:32This is Ipswich Police. Go ahead, call her.
07:36Police receive a call from a concerned neighbour
07:39about disturbances coming from Rosie's home.
07:43So, we're now in Victoria Street in Ipswich.
07:46The street drinking community,
07:48whilst they spent a good deal of time drinking in public places,
07:52they actually did have one or two addresses
07:55that they frequented regularly,
07:57particularly Rosie's flat here.
08:01There had been some very loud argument taking place.
08:07The neighbour called the police.
08:10They just basically knocked on the door,
08:12and because there weren't no answer, they just left.
08:16When police arrived, they looked,
08:19but didn't enter the property.
08:20Everything was quiet, and from what they were doing
08:22in terms of looking around the property,
08:24they felt that there was no longer a need
08:26to pursue any inquiry there.
08:30Police leave the address with no action taken
08:33and no sign of disturbance.
08:36But as the days pass, there is no sign or word of Rosie.
08:44Four or five days later, the neighbour, her lady upstairs,
08:50she called the police again and said,
08:53you know, she still hadn't seen my sister Rosie.
09:04Police had been called to the address as a result of a neighbour saying
09:07she hadn't seen Rosie.
09:09There was a window broken at the flat,
09:11and a possible smell coming from the flat.
09:16An entry was forced.
09:19Rosie was found lying on the bed,
09:21partly clothed with a quilt over the bottom half of her bed.
09:25Her body at that time was showing signs of decomposition.
09:31I was unaware what Rosie was missing.
09:34I didn't know nothing about it until my mother had phoned me up
09:37and told me she'd passed away.
09:40She'd been found dead in her bed.
09:44I was shocked, I was broken hearted.
09:47That's my younger sister.
09:51I expected her to go to my grave,
09:55not me to go to hers.
10:06And I was in shock.
10:08But I was sad.
10:11She didn't deserve that.
10:13No one deserves that.
10:15No mum.
10:19With police unable to determine when or how Rosie died,
10:24they launch an investigation
10:26and immediately turn to her inner circle of associates.
10:33You've got to set lines of inquiry
10:35to establish the background of the person who's been found deceased,
10:39all their associates and their lifestyle.
10:42We identified that she lived at the flat,
10:44but it was very much used by this street drinking community.
10:51The social circle that Rosalind was part of
10:54were a group of dysfunctional individuals who were alcoholics.
10:59What places Rosalind in an even more vulnerable situation
11:03is that she gave them access to her house.
11:06She was receiving benefits.
11:08And that made her attractive to the group.
11:12They manipulated her.
11:14And she was so kind-hearted and so vulnerable
11:17that she couldn't stop this happening.
11:21With Rosie, you see, she was everybody's best friend on her payday.
11:26She'd come out with her full pack of cider,
11:31come across the road and then bang,
11:34everybody's on her straight away.
11:35Rosie, Rosie.
11:37By the time she's given out £10 here and £10 there,
11:40that's six people or more.
11:43£60 is a lot of money.
11:45And it would happen week after week after week with her.
11:49Compared to everybody else, she was vulnerable
11:52and so she kind of got the advantage taken off a little bit more
11:57than anybody else in the group.
12:02I used to say to her,
12:05Rosie, what are you doing hanging about with these people?
12:09They only want you for two things.
12:13Sex or alcohol.
12:15You know, they only come round here knocking on my door
12:18when they think you're being paid.
12:23Rosie lived in a world that, unfortunately,
12:26was quite harsh and brutal.
12:28And for someone who's a kind, sensitive person,
12:32it becomes even harder.
12:34People will gravitate towards others who have something.
12:38So, for instance, I was told that a few weeks before Rosie died,
12:44she called her ex-husband round to her flat
12:46because there were people there
12:48and she didn't really know what to do.
12:50And it was a lot of noise, chaotic scene
12:53and Rosie felt uncomfortable with them being there.
12:59One of those individuals was called Paul Clark,
13:07who was a man of around 40 years of age.
13:10He had been regularly dealt with by the police and the courts
13:15for offences of violence and drugs.
13:20Paul Clark is an interesting character.
13:23He is part of the Ipswich street drinking culture.
13:27So, he also has issues with substance abuse, alcohol and drugs.
13:33He is described as a controlling individual.
13:36It's almost like he put himself in the leadership role.
13:41Paul used to drink with us all, yeah.
13:43He used to drink with us all.
13:45He's a very argumentative, very antagonistic person.
13:52It's fair to say that the vast majority of the evidence
13:57was pointing towards Paul Clark.
14:01In the hours that follow the discovery of Rosie's body,
14:04just three miles away, police are called to another home
14:09where a shocking scene greets them.
14:11So, we're now outside Limerick Close, which is a small number of flats
14:17on a road on the outskirts of Ipswich.
14:21This is the flat where there was another body found lying on the sofa
14:26under a duvet.
14:31That's about 16 hours after the finding of Rosie's body.
14:38A double murder in Ipswich is extremely rare.
14:41Because the police investigation is underway,
14:44the details that come out are quite sparing.
14:46Later in the day, I got to know the name of the deceased.
14:50It was Desmond Thorpe.
14:52Further investigation provides information on Desmond's health
14:56and lifestyle.
14:59Desmond Thorpe was a chronic alcoholic
15:02and quite a vulnerable person in his own right.
15:05He was somebody who didn't seem to have a permanent place of residence.
15:10Um, he lived in tents, he stayed with friends.
15:14With Des, like, he was quite, you know, quite a merry, happy drunk.
15:18But, like, within a few years, you know, his attitude changed
15:22and he became more of a depressive drunk.
15:29Des Thorpe, um, given his long-term alcoholism,
15:34clearly, um, he suffered as a result of that
15:37in terms of a number of, er, er, conditions.
15:42Although extremely ill, investigators suspect that Desmond Thorpe
15:47has not died of natural causes.
15:51Searches took place at the flat and outside of the flat.
15:56And importantly, outside of the flat was found a cushion with blood on it
16:00that had clearly come off the settee.
16:02He'd been found lying on the settee, effectively naked under a duvet.
16:07Um, and he'd had some vomit and blood around his mouth area,
16:11which would have matched to, um, a form of smothering.
16:15So when I arrive at the Mirrick Close, er, I can see the police cordon is up.
16:20I start knocking on doors to speak to people.
16:22Er, one of the people that I spoke to, er, actually had CCTV.
16:28On the footage was a young girl coming out into the road
16:32as you could hear a siren of an ambulance coming along.
16:36And, er, there was, er, some light from the ambulance headlights.
16:41The young girl ran out into the road
16:42and she shouted to somebody to come on quick.
16:46And a male ran out of the property and followed her.
16:50I think it was fairly obvious that the two people weren't there
16:53to, er, speak to the paramedics or help the paramedics in any way.
16:57They were there to get away from the scene.
17:00Police inquiries discover a link between the two victims.
17:05Rosalind Hunt and Desmond Thorpe were both alcoholics
17:11living a very similar lifestyle, part of the same group of street drinkers.
17:17Desmond Thorpe, Rosalind Hunt, Paul Clarke.
17:22They were all part of this group together.
17:25Desmond Thorpe, or Des Thorpe.
17:28He had been originally from the Norfolk area and at some stage
17:32he had come down to Ipswich, had met his wife, um, and started a family down here.
17:38Er, that marriage broke down.
17:40But he seemed to have, um, a close relationship with his daughter.
17:46Lorraine Thorpe.
17:49As a child, she was said to be kind, creative, intelligent.
17:55Um, she was described as a daddy's girl.
17:58She idolised her father.
18:00By the age of about 13, Lorraine wanted to be with her father
18:06rather than in a stable home environment with her mother
18:09and started to, um, become part of the group.
18:14Um, that clearly, um, would be viewed, um, by social services
18:19and anyone looking in as, um, not an appropriate place for a 13-year-old girl to be.
18:27She is what we class as a vulnerable child.
18:30She lived a life that no child should live.
18:34We have a young girl going in and out of care.
18:38She's returned to her mum, then she's returned to care,
18:42and then eventually she goes to live with her father.
18:45And at that point, her life gets even more chaotic.
18:50She's not living in a secure home.
18:54She's sofa-surfing.
18:56She's even living in tents.
18:58And she's spending her days not attending school,
19:03but spending the time with middle-aged men drinking alcohol.
19:10She just appeared, Lorraine just appeared from nowhere.
19:13She just turned up.
19:14Then she just became a face that became a regular face.
19:19And then it all turned sour.
19:23With her father's ill health worsening,
19:25it falls to Lorraine to take care of him,
19:28all the while under increasingly desperate circumstances
19:32for both of them.
19:34He was a person who had been a chronic alcoholic for many, many years.
19:38A significant number of his organs were not operating as well as they might.
19:43He was weak.
19:45He wasn't able to stand and walk.
19:47He began to be unable to walk, to take care of himself.
19:52From the age of 12, Lorraine was basically her father's carer.
20:01Police make an alarming discovery.
20:04The CCTV seized from Dez's neighbour identifies Desmond's daughter,
20:10Lorraine Thorpe, and Paul Clarke.
20:17Lorraine Thorpe and Paul Clarke left that scene in somewhat suspicious circumstances,
20:23particularly given Lorraine Thorpe was the daughter and part carer,
20:28if not full-time carer for her father,
20:31and had decided she wasn't going to be there when police or ambulance attended.
20:38Ongoing inquiries within the street drinking community
20:41reveals an unusual relationship between Paul Clarke and Lorraine Thorpe.
20:48Paul Clarke was 41 years old.
20:52Lorraine Thorpe was 15 years old.
20:54This is an adult man who is grooming, taking advantage of a vulnerable girl.
21:02There was a suggestion that there may have been a sexual relationship between them.
21:08He always denied that and she always denied it.
21:11I don't know if there was any relationship there, but there was obviously a very unusual friendship,
21:18to say the least.
21:20He was known to be violent, he was known to be aggressive, he was dominant,
21:24so the other people in the group would try to find their place within that.
21:31Lorraine looked up to Paul and I think, you know, you could see why that would be the case
21:37if she started to see violence as being a norm and almost respected someone who was capable of giving that
21:46violence.
21:47She was with the dominant member of the group.
21:51She was with the leader.
21:54And that would have been intoxicating.
21:57Lorraine was a young girl and she was in love with Clarke and he'd say jump and she'd say how
22:02high.
22:04That is how it was.
22:08The witness who rang in and reported Rosie missing also identified that Thorpe and Clarke were responsible for assaults on
22:18Rosie in those days before being found.
22:22With this alarming report, police now urgently need to interview both Lorraine Thorpe and Paul Clarke to establish if their
22:31witnesses are suspects in a possible double homicide.
22:36As an SIO, I've definitely still got an open mind that others may have been involved in this, but all
22:43my attention at the moment is let's get those two into custody.
22:50One of the police officers attending the scene had actually seen Paul Clarke and Lorraine Thorpe near to a precinct
22:59of shops a very short distance away.
23:01They found Paul Clarke, at which time he denied knowing Lorraine Thorpe and was generally evasive.
23:13Lorraine Thorpe had clearly run off from having been with Paul Clarke.
23:19Officers urgently were trying to find her a physical search of the area in vehicles and on foot and she
23:26was located at her mother's address.
23:30She was brought to Ipswich police station.
23:35While Thorpe and Clark are in custody, police receive the results of Rosie Hunt's post-mortem.
23:43A pathologist would normally give you a 12 to 24 hour period.
23:49Rose Hunt's situation, there had been what was assessed of several days of decomposition of her body.
23:57We were looking that she probably died around about the 6th of August.
24:02Cause of death was recorded as blunt trauma, significant punching and kicking to the main torso area.
24:11Nine separate broken ribs, all of which by examination the pathologist could say had occurred while she was alive.
24:20Clearly those injuries would have been very, very, very painful.
24:24Um, and if indeed that was the assault that was heard on around the 4th of August,
24:30then that would start to fit in with the timeline that the pathologist was suggesting.
24:37My sister could have, could have still been alive when the police first turned up.
24:42If, if the police had kicked in the door,
24:47there might have been a possibility that my sister could still have been alive and saved.
24:55With the prime suspects in custody, police update the public on the two deaths in Ipswich.
25:02The police knew that the murders were connected and put out a press release to say that the two people
25:11had been arrested and had been arrested for both of the murders.
25:15So it was obvious at that point that Rosie Hunt and Des Thorpe had both been murdered and police believed
25:21they'd been murdered by the same people.
25:25Although they had made arrests quickly, in fact, what they then have to do is somehow have to build that
25:32case and understand what happened within a very difficult investigative environment for them.
25:37We've now got both of Paul Clarke and Lorraine Thorpe in custody and clearly we've got a huge amount of
25:46information coming in very quickly from within the group that they associated with.
25:57Investigators speaking to eyewitnesses start to piece together a grim and shocking picture of Rosie's last days.
26:05Lorraine Thorpe and Paul Clarke had gone about a systematic and ever increasing daily almost abuse of Rosie Hunt.
26:17What started as, you know, that she deserved to be punished for something that she'd done in their eyes.
26:25Paul Clarke had a dog and this dog, Rosie Hunt, had taken for a walk in Ipswich Town Centre somewhere
26:32and it was said that this dog had attacked a child.
26:39Rosie pulled the dog away and it was said that she either yanked or possibly kicked the dog.
26:44When Paul Clarke got to hear of this, he became angry and wasn't happy at all.
26:52So, at that point, Rosie became fearful of what Paul Clarke would do.
26:57Paul Clarke was extremely unhappy about her having struck the dog or disciplined the dog.
27:04And that then became this escalating violence at any given time that he felt he wanted to inflict that upon
27:14her.
27:16It would take a lot less than that to annoy somebody like him.
27:21You know, he could undercook his baked beans or something and he'd kill you for it.
27:27So, it all started going terribly wrong.
27:31There was really no, no safe place.
27:35Des Thorpe may have tried to offer her some respite by her going up to the Limerick address, but that,
27:42even that didn't work.
27:44Lorraine Thorpe went round to that house and convinced Rosalyn to leave.
27:50And it's reported that she was basically frog marched from that location to the accommodation where Paul Clarke and Lorraine
27:59Thorpe were staying.
28:01And it's at that accommodation where she was kept hostage for days.
28:12It was horrendous and it's hard to understand that the level of fear and pain that Rosie would have been
28:18in over that period of time.
28:27On or around the 4th of August, the date police were called by Rosie's neighbour, Rosie is moved under the
28:34cover of darkness back to her own address.
28:37For whatever reason, after days of torment and torture, Rosie was, in effect, frog marched back to her own flat
28:47in Victoria Street.
28:49They don't just stop then.
28:51They could have stopped the level of violence, but they didn't.
28:56They continued and it escalated.
28:58It was there that screams were heard and what went on there ultimately led to the death of Rosie.
29:09I feel guilty that I wasn't there to help her because...
29:19I don't know if I could have got away.
29:24I don't know if I could have got away from these people.
29:30God, I'd have done my best.
29:37I'd have done my best to drag her away from them scumbags.
29:47With the suspects in police custody, the investigation focuses on the accounts of Paul Clark and Lorain Thorpe.
29:55What we now need to do is actually get an account from them if they're willing to speak to us.
30:00It was fair to say that Paul Clark would have very much been seen as the, you know, the main
30:05instigator and lead in it.
30:07We do speak to Paul Clark relatively quickly.
30:11He effectively starts no comment in relation to the interview, but later on in the interview starts to talk.
30:20Paul Clark admitted he was at the scene of Rosie Hunt's murder.
30:26I think he claimed he'd only punched and kicked her a couple of times or something.
30:31Lorain said that she'd never assaulted Rosie or if she had, it had only been on one occasion when Rosie
30:38had broken some wedding photographs of her parents and she'd effectively slapped Rosie and Rosie had slapped her back.
30:46But it became very clear early on that Lorain Thorpe was involved in significant levels of violence.
30:56More cooperation was coming for people who were witnessing Lorain herself telling friends what they were doing to Rosie, telling
31:07them that she'd assaulted Rosie, she jumped on her head.
31:12And indeed, there was almost this boastful or reveling in the sort of behaviour that she was now engaged in
31:19and particularly Lorain seemed to revel in the violence.
31:22She certainly started to take on a level of violence that you wouldn't have expected from a girl of her
31:31age.
31:33Lorain Thorpe's attitude to violence was unusual for a girl her age.
31:40And we see that type of attitude with people who have been around violence.
31:45This case is absolutely an example of expressive murder.
31:49It's long.
31:51They seem to revel in it.
31:53They seem to enjoy it.
31:55They take breaks and then they go back.
31:57The act of violence itself, that is part of the motive, enjoying what they are doing.
32:08They also claimed, both Paul Clarke and I believe Lorain Thorpe, that Des Thorpe had basically died of natural causes.
32:22And it became obvious that he had been suffocated.
32:28They beat him, they kicked him, um, and ultimately, um, smothered him with a cushion.
32:37Thorpe also had, uh, an imprint of a trainer on his head, which Lorain Thorpe later admitted to being her
32:45trainer.
32:49She flippantly said, you'll find my footprint on my dad's forehead.
32:54It's reported that she found it funny.
32:58Basically, no big deal.
33:00With crime scene evidence, CCTV, and witness accounts relating to the two deaths, police are certain they have those responsible
33:10in custody.
33:11Lorain Thorpe and Paul Clarke.
33:18By the Crown Prosecution Service, we had, um, gathered sufficient evidence and as a result of that, they were both
33:24charged and put into the court system.
33:35I wanted to be in court because I wanted to see, I wanted to personally see these people who had
33:42done it.
33:45I just wanted to see what, what scumbags did this.
33:52I remember the first time I went to court and saw them both.
33:57And I can still picture her laughing and joking.
34:00I think that was a big joke.
34:02That was like a day out at the seaside.
34:05We were able to present fairly accurately what the dynamics of that, uh, difficult group were.
34:14Um, we were able to satisfy, uh, the jury as to what Paul Clarke's role as a main instigator.
34:21We were able to show that they embarked on a systematic violent assault on Rosie for the latter weeks and
34:30days of her life, culminating in almost unbelievable torture.
34:35Quite often they'll use the phrase multiple injuries.
34:38Um, it's only normally when you get into the court that the details about how those multiple injuries occurred come
34:45out.
34:45What happened to Rosie was absolutely horrendous.
34:49It was, it was vicious.
34:50It was savage.
34:51Um, it was premeditated.
34:54Um, it was something that were beyond comprehension, beyond belief.
34:58Um, that one human being could do that to another human being.
35:06What could have led a 15-year-old girl to join him with the murder of a woman she knew
35:11and her own father?
35:15Although this was a double murder inquiry, um, it was unusual in the sense that they were two separate murders
35:21in two separate locations for two separate reasons.
35:24But they were connected by the fact that one murder had happened and then the second murder was done because
35:33of the fear that, uh, it would uncover the first one.
35:37They tried to use the defense that they were angry because Rosalind Hunt scolded the dog, kicked at the dog.
35:46However, it appears that the, the truth is that Rosalind Hunt was concerned about the safety of Lorraine Thorpe.
35:57She saw this 15-year-old girl with a 41-year-old man and she said that she was going
36:01to report this to the authorities.
36:04Rosie Hunt did report her. That resulted in social services coming and, uh, removing Lorraine, but Rosie was, uh, subject
36:12of threats and assault as a result of being seen to have grasped up where Lorraine was.
36:17Lorraine Thorpe was panicking that her relationship with Clarke would be over.
36:23And I think what Clarke did was he fueled this anger.
36:29She's going to stop us being together. She's going to the authorities. She's the bad one.
36:35That was the motive for them to torture and get rid of Rosalind.
36:44When Des realised what had happened to Rosie, it was believed that Des threatened to call the police or tell
36:53somebody.
36:56At that point, they're bragging about what they did.
37:02Lorraine Thorpe was bragging to her friends, talking about how she tortured her.
37:08That got back to Desmond Thorpe.
37:11And he was horrified and upset about what had happened.
37:16And he himself then said that he would need to go to the police.
37:22And that is what then led to Clarke and Lorraine Thorpe killing Desmond Thorpe.
37:30It may well have been that that was the motivating factor, that they just couldn't allow him to be at
37:37risk of going to the authorities at any given time.
37:40Not being found to be responsible for her death and getting away with that was their ultimate aim and that
37:48meant that Des Thorpe had to be silenced.
37:52At that point, she sees her father as a burden.
37:56She no longer wants to look after him.
37:59I think that led to the additional violence that she enacted on him.
38:05It wasn't enough to just smother him.
38:07It wasn't enough to just shut him up.
38:09She had to also beat him.
38:13She was taking her revenge on him.
38:23The court case lasted about six weeks.
38:27And I can still remember the day of the verdict.
38:31Paul Clarke and Lorraine Thorpe were found guilty of the murders of both Rosie Hunt and Lorraine's father Des.
38:42We got a unanimous verdict in relation to Rosie Hunt's murder for both Paul Clarke and Lorraine Thorpe.
38:49And we got a 10 to 2 majority by the jury in favour of a guilty verdict against both Paul
38:56Clarke and Lorraine Thorpe.
38:57For Desmond Thorpe's murder was, you know, satisfying to get those results in what had been a very difficult inquiry
39:05to hopefully get justice for both Rosie and Des.
39:11And that was in no small part down to the bravery and conviction of those witnesses who came forward.
39:19Should people have called about the assaults on Rosie earlier and that?
39:23And yes, of course.
39:24But when you look at the lifestyle, what was going on, Paul Clarke's reputation and all those witnesses would have
39:32known what he was capable of.
39:34Regardless of that, the people still came through and gave the evidence.
39:39Paul Clarke was sentenced to 27 years, so that's the minimum term that he will serve before he would be
39:47eligible for parole.
39:51Lorraine Thorpe, like Clarke, she received the mandatory life sentence for murder.
39:57However, there is a minimum term given, was 14 years in prison until she could apply for parole.
40:03I still think they should have got longer. Both of them. They never shewed no remorse whatsoever. None of them.
40:11Not one of them stood up and said, I'm sorry for what I did. Not one of them. I just,
40:17they didn't care.
40:20To see Lorraine Thorpe at the Old Bailey being sentenced for a double murder and having now become Britain's youngest
40:29ever double murderess was heartbreaking really.
40:35I didn't care. I thought it was a joke.
40:37She was still just a child. She was 15 and she was in a court that had seen some of
40:43Britain's most notorious criminals sentenced to see a child in that position.
40:50It makes you wonder quite how she got to that point.
40:55Total anger.
40:58Total disgusting anger.
41:03Total anger.
41:03Yes, it absolutely could have been stopped.
41:06Her parents let her down. Society let her down.
41:10The local authority let her down.
41:13And because of that, she was in that situation.
41:17However, the things that she did was so despicable.
41:20The level of violence was so horrific.
41:23That even though she was vulnerable absolutely as a child, we also have to make sure that she takes responsibility
41:31for those things that she did.
41:34I knew they weren't going to get away with it.
41:38I just wish they'd have got longer for what they did.
41:43Wish they'd have got longer.
41:46What we see in this case is the perfect storm.
41:53A vulnerable girl.
41:56A dominant, aggressive man in Clark.
42:00And vulnerable victims.
42:04You would have hoped somebody would have missed Rosie.
42:08However, whereas most of us who live relatively normal lives and have friends and relatives who look out for us,
42:17ultimately people like Rosie haven't got that.
42:21They live in a subculture, some would say an underclass, where ultimately the only people that seem to care for
42:30them are themselves.
42:36It's nice to know that my sister's got other members of the family buried, buried beside her.
42:43And, you know, at least comfort, because at least she ain't buried down there on her own.
42:51This would be where I'd get buried eventually.
42:57Over the loss of her and what she had to deal with and what she went through.
43:01That would stay with me till my dying day.
43:04The pain she had to go through.
43:08The misery and that would never leave me.
43:24And.
43:31Yeah.
43:53About truth between your US and your life guide.
43:54And what happened to the family I was you could understand how's she had her?
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