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00:04Ambulance services the patient breathing.
00:09Can you breathe?
00:13Okay, listen, you take a deep breath so we can help him.
00:17Okay.
00:18How old is he?
00:20His eyes are shut in.
00:22It's okay, he's like this, he's breathing.
00:24Right, someone needs to come back to the phone.
00:26Hello, where are the attackers?
00:27Please hurry up, hurry up, hurry up, hurry up!
00:31Hurry up now!
00:32No, no, no, no, no!
00:36Hello?
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01:19Response officers from West Midlands Police are on their way to a serious stabbing in South Birmingham.
01:26And down.
01:36Single male, massive trauma to his chest and his belly.
01:41Stop moving, little man.
01:43How old are you, Ben?
01:46The badly injured teen is taken to hospital.
01:49Did you see anything, mate?
01:52Whilst officers try to find out what's happened.
01:56I know, we just want to try to get you a few cows, that's all.
02:04She said they've run out the back of this car park,
02:07and that's all we've got after it.
02:09They don't want to talk to us at all, really, so...
02:12It's a bit difficult.
02:14Lads have found a knife.
02:16We're extending the scene further up.
02:18Just hold.
02:20I don't want to disturb any evidence.
02:26Can I have a lot of...
02:39The next morning, forensic investigator Andy Biggin
02:43joins search officers to examine the crime scene.
02:49I've done the big open area bits this far.
02:52In the drains, we can see all of them, actually, with a torch.
02:58You can obviously see the silver kitchen knife
03:01amongst what looks like duck-down feathers,
03:03which may have been from a jacket
03:05of whoever's been involved in the altercation.
03:09The other side's quite heavily kind of sold with moisture,
03:15having been on a wet ground.
03:17There is a teenage child fighting for his life.
03:24The biggest challenge of the scene is the sheer size
03:27to make sure nothing's missed.
03:31Because at this point, I'm unaware exactly what's happened,
03:35where it's happened, and how it's happened.
03:39It's a large, large zombie knife.
03:4225 metres away from the kitchen knife,
03:46Andy recovers a second deadly weapon.
03:53Any utility of that's going to cause
03:55a significant amount of injury.
03:58I'll photograph it with scale.
04:04I'll make notes of what I've identified,
04:08and we'll send it off to the major crime lab
04:09to have that examined.
04:14The knives were spread quite far away from each other.
04:18Which would suggest that the incident started in one location
04:22and perhaps finished in another location.
04:25The offenders could have fled in any direction.
04:37With the victim fighting for his life in hospital,
04:41the cases escalated to the homicide team,
04:44led by Detective Inspector Aide George.
04:47Morning all then.
04:48So, briefing for Operation Tiffin.
04:52We were called by members of the public and also ambulance
04:54saying that there were treats in a mail
04:56who'd been stabbed to the chest.
04:57An arrival at the QE described as actively dying
05:00due to his injuries.
05:02He's got stab wounds to his bowel and his chest.
05:05It's pierced his pancreas, his liver and his kidney,
05:08and he's lost one kidney.
05:10This has a potential to become a murder investigation.
05:13The victim can't be spoken to because he's in intensive care.
05:17He can't tell us what's happened.
05:20Overnight, there's already been a major development in the case.
05:24I have two teenagers in custody who are brothers,
05:28both arrested from the same address.
05:31A 15-year-old suspect with minor injuries and his brother
05:35have been arrested at a house near the crime scene
05:38after police were alerted by the ambulance service.
05:41So, first suspect, he's currently in hospital
05:44with cuts to his hand and his head.
05:46He can't account for his injuries
05:47because he can't remember how it happened, etc.
05:50They come across his brother wearing a jacket
05:53that's got, like, kind of slash marks on it.
05:56They've made, obviously, the assumption that he could be involved
05:58and that he's also been locked up for a temp murder.
06:02Both brothers have been evasive with police
06:04and will be interviewed in connection with the stabbing.
06:08I'm presented with two people that are injured.
06:11One victim who's in hospital with serious life-threatening injuries,
06:15but I also have the suspect who's also got injuries.
06:18So it makes it quite complex
06:20in terms of what might have actually happened at the scene.
06:23It could be that this was a chance meeting between the two.
06:27They've got involved in a fight
06:28and it just so happens that the victim has come off worse.
06:31It could be that the victim has been attacked by multiple people.
06:35There's a whole host of options that it could be.
06:37And there are two witnesses that we're aware of at this moment in time.
06:41Unfortunately, they wouldn't give statements yesterday.
06:43They've told us categorically,
06:44go away, don't darken our doorstep again.
06:47We don't want to give you any statements.
06:49CCTV-wise, we've got the CCTV team
06:52who are going out and doing recovery for us at the moment.
06:54OK? Thank you.
07:05Without any witnesses willing to talk to them,
07:08Aide and DC Denisa Briscoe
07:11need to gather more information from the scene of the brothers' arrest.
07:20Hi, so we've had quite some of a head injury.
07:22Yeah.
07:22Yeah.
07:23OK, so come and take a look.
07:24This is the body wall footage from the arrest of the first suspect.
07:28Officers were called to the brothers' house an hour after the stabbing
07:32when paramedics noticed signs of a knife fight.
07:52He's not really, like, kind of disclosing how he's been hit.
08:00I know, he seems to be quite vague about what happened.
08:03If you're truly innocent, why not give us a full account?
08:06Why not tell us now exactly what happened?
08:09I already told you I went outside.
08:11I got hit with something.
08:12I don't remember what it was.
08:14What else do I want to see?
08:18I think you can probably see from that injury to his hand
08:21and the injury to his other finger,
08:22it looks like a slash mark of some kind.
08:26Feels to me at this moment in time
08:27that he's not particularly forthcoming with information
08:31because perhaps he knows that he's been involved
08:32in some form of criminality.
08:36This is the second suspect, his older brother,
08:39returning to the address.
08:40Hello. What's your name, fella?
08:42Listen, keep your hands where I can see him, mate.
08:44It's been an incident, mate.
08:45It's almost been an incident.
08:46What?
08:47You are.
08:48You're looking like you've been in a fight.
08:49I haven't.
08:50He looks like he's got bits of fluff in his hair.
08:53Yeah.
08:54Which could be from an item of clothing that's been slashed.
08:57Yeah.
08:58There's bits of this kind of stuff
09:00near to where the victim was stabbed.
09:04The issue that we've got, it's all circumstantial.
09:07So it doesn't actually prove that they were part of that offence.
09:10Where we don't have any sort of direct evidence,
09:13it does make things more difficult.
09:15I'm hoping that forensics are going to be able to tell me
09:18exactly what happened.
09:21The victim received a single stab wound to his stomach,
09:25but I have two suspects.
09:27So the question is, who's stabbed him?
09:40Lead forensic investigator, Jo Ward,
09:43assesses evidence gathered from the crime scene
09:45to be sent for urgent testing.
09:50You can see quite a large kitchen knife.
09:54The concern is straight away for me is that it appears wet.
09:58I think it's been raining, which may destroy any DNA that's on there.
10:04It's really unusual to find weapons at a scene.
10:07Normally, when we've got a scene where someone's been stabbed or injured,
10:12the weapons are nowhere to be seen.
10:14So this is a real golden nugget for us.
10:17And then there's another knife.
10:19In fact, it's a very large machete.
10:20I'm quite shocked.
10:22That could do some serious damage.
10:24You know, young people are walking around carrying these large weapons.
10:28It's just quite scary.
10:31I've certainly seen over the years the weapons getting bigger.
10:34The zombie knives, the machetes, the way it's designed is meant to kill.
10:39When I was younger, if there was a fight, it involved fists.
10:43But now, unfortunately, if you're carrying something, you will reach for that weapon.
10:48For us, it gives us forensic opportunities to, you know,
10:51certainly identify if there's any blood on those weapons,
10:53but also who's handled those weapons as well.
11:07First, technician Holly Ruscola examines the kitchen knife for fingerprint ridge marks
11:12that may help police identify the attacker.
11:18I'm using a range of light sources to see if I can find any visible marks.
11:29So, I'm just going to look at the blade of the knife.
11:34I'm currently using UV.
11:40And I'm just trying to see if there's any ridge detail
11:43that may be exposed from the light sources.
11:49The blade is negative for any marks.
11:53I'm going to look at the handle now.
11:58And I can see some ridge detail on the handle of the knife.
12:07It's just there.
12:12But there's not enough to be able to send up to the fingerprint bureau.
12:17So, I'm going to class this as being no value.
12:20As you can imagine, a kitchen knife you use regularly.
12:23So, what tends to happen is you get an overlay of an overlay of fingerprints.
12:27So, it's quite hard sometimes to actually be able to get a decent identifiable fingerprint from it.
12:38The focus turns to the 16-inch machete, which is taken to be swabbed for DNA.
12:44So, I'll go ahead and I will take a handler sample.
12:49This is to recover any possible cellular material of anyone who has handled the knife.
13:00So, I've spotted some red-bound staining visible here on the cutting edge of the blade.
13:09And then you put a drop of KM on, a drop of H2O2.
13:17And there we have a nice pink reaction, which is an indication that there is blood present.
13:23So, they get cut off and then put in an automized tube, which will then get sent to DNA.
13:33We don't need an awful lot of blood nowadays to obtain a DNA profile from it.
13:39No, we only need a pinprick size sample.
13:42If this comes back to the victim, we can say that this knife has been used to cause these injuries
13:48to the victim.
13:49And then it's about trying to identify if one of the brothers actually handled that knife.
13:56While the victim remains critically ill in hospital,
14:00suspect one, the 15-year-old who was also injured, is now fit to be questioned.
14:10So, everything that we see now is being audio and video recorded.
14:15When I interviewed juveniles, I always tried to bear in mind the fact that they are children.
14:19At the end of the day, and they might be scared.
14:22They might have never been in police custody before.
14:25So, it can be quite challenging to get them to open up.
14:30So, tell us about your involvement in this incident, if any at all.
14:59I see your right hand in a cast.
15:03Talk to you about how that knife caused that injury.
15:08I remember I was hit first with the knife.
15:13Yeah.
15:13Like, chopped.
15:15Yes.
15:16I put my hand up like this.
15:18The camera can see it now.
15:20Yeah.
15:20To block it.
15:21Yeah.
15:22And then, yeah, it's chopped my hand.
15:25And then what happened after that?
15:27After that, I can't really remember.
15:28I think I fell on the ground or something.
15:31I think, yeah, I think I fell on the ground.
15:33And then something hit me on the back of my head after that.
15:36I think I was knocked out.
15:39He accepts his presence at the scene, but states that he was the one that was attacked and
15:44he was just defending himself.
15:46So, it makes it difficult to establish who is, you know, a suspect and who is a victim.
15:52You say, I'll maintain that I acted in self-defense, and then you say, I responded reasonably.
15:59Tell me about how you responded.
16:02No comment.
16:04Did you stab him?
16:05No comment.
16:07Is that what you mean when you're saying that you were acting in self-defense?
16:11No comment.
16:12Did you stab him in response to him slashing you?
16:15No comment.
16:15No comment.
16:17Okay.
16:18Insight, you concluded.
16:19Self-defense is a really tricky one for us to prove, but also for us to disprove.
16:25It's not clear-cut.
16:26We are going to have to look at, was he acting reasonably and proportionately?
16:31Did he feel that his own life was, you know, in danger, that he needed to, like, kind of lash
16:35out?
16:36And so, therefore, forensics are going to be really key in helping us build up a picture
16:40about what happened and how he came by those injuries.
16:54To help investigate suspect one's claim of self-defense, Joe assesses the victim's clothing
17:00for signs of how the attack unfolded.
17:06As you can see, it's been cut down the middle, which has been caused by the ambulance at the
17:13scene, and they put it back together.
17:16Fucking jigsaw puzzle, this is.
17:19Was it a prolonged attack?
17:20They just attempted to stab him once to then prove whether it was self-defense is quite difficult.
17:28We know a victim suffered one stab wound to the chest, but a victim's clothing can tell
17:34you a completely different story to what you actually see on the body.
17:37Sometimes, on clothing, we've seen more attempted kind of stab wounds, and that may be because,
17:42you know, the victim's running away or he's moving, and the weapon's only just managed to
17:46actually cause the damage, but not actually penetrated through to the skin.
17:50Straight away, I can kind of see a damage mark here, and then a bit lower down, kind of to
17:56the waist area.
17:57Again, it appears to have been caused by a sharp instrument.
17:59And that's gone all the way through, but there's no corresponding marks in the T-shirt.
18:04And the question is, has the weapon made contact with the actual coat itself?
18:08It's gone through, but then not penetrated the actual T-shirt.
18:12His clothing tells us that the attempt on the actual victim itself was more than just that
18:16one stab wound.
18:18It really highlights the level of force that was used, how frenzied the attack has been.
18:24It's likely that his thick coat saved his life.
18:27He's lucky to be alive.
18:34Police now want to interview the older brother, suspect two, whose own coat had apparent slash
18:40marks when he was arrested.
18:43Did you have any involvement in this incident?
18:47I've got a prepared statement to read on behalf of my client.
18:52I deny the allegation of attempted murder.
18:55I'm not responsible for this event.
18:57I've not injured or stabbed anyone at all.
19:00On the night in question, I was at home.
19:02It was only after my brother went to hospital that I threw on the coat that he was wearing
19:07that evening.
19:08That is my brother's coat.
19:09This is because once the police and ambulance left, I was not thinking straight.
19:13And I went outside to go and see what happened.
19:16I will not be on CCTV at the time of the incident.
19:19And I deny the allegation entirely.
19:25OK, so you threw on the coat he was wearing that evening.
19:32What exactly made you put his coat on as opposed to your own coat?
19:38I'm trying to keep an open mind as to what might have happened.
19:41And there is a possibility that he's telling the truth, that he was not involved.
19:46But then equally, there is also a possibility that he's either covering for his brother or
19:51he's also an offender.
19:54OK, I haven't got any further questions into me concluding.
20:03At this moment in time, I can't categorically say that he's involved with this incident.
20:07You know, this is a juvenile.
20:08So I have a limited amount of time I can keep him in custody.
20:12Is the forensic evidence going to actually tie him to the scene?
20:25With suspect two claiming the ripped jacket belongs to his younger brother,
20:30it's sent for urgent DNA testing to see if they can confirm who was wearing it during the attack.
20:37The first thing I'm going to do is take a wearer sample.
20:42So I'm going to start by mini-taping the inside colour.
20:51When the surface comes in contact with the skin, it can leave behind little skin flakes and oils and stuff.
20:56And that's just what we're picking up on the tape.
20:59And it should pick up any cellular DNA that's in that area.
21:04What we need to do is establish, you know, whose jacket that is.
21:09However, although they don't share the same DNA, because everyone's got their own unique DNA,
21:15because they live together and they may share that jacket,
21:18it may prove difficult to actually say who's the wearer of that jacket at the time of the attack.
21:26I'm just looking at this area of damage to the hood.
21:32So the cuts have quite a straight edge to them.
21:35So it does look like the hood has been cut by a sharp object, such as a knife.
21:42Rather than if it is torn, the edges would look quite frayed and different.
21:48And there's quite a bit of red-brown staining here that looks like it could be blood.
21:55So I'm just going to use my scalpel to cut out a small area of this stain.
22:01I can get those samples sent off to DNA now, and we'll see if we can get a profile.
22:14This jacket is really crucial to this investigation.
22:16If that blood comes back to victim, then, you know, that would suggest that the person wearing that jacket
22:22was certainly at that scene and in close proximity to the actual victim and involved in this incident.
22:32Right, OK.
22:35So that's a Sainsbury's camera.
22:37That camera is looking along that frontage, so it's pointing in that direction.
22:44I've been able to get various items of footage.
22:48CCTV specialist Zed Ahmed is piecing together footage from numerous cameras
22:54in an attempt to track the movements of the brothers and victim on the night of the attack.
23:02CCTV work, it's quite niche, and I think one needs a lot of patience.
23:08It's really important that you don't miss any detail.
23:12Because CCTV footage doesn't lie, it acts as a kind of reconstruction tool.
23:19This is a short walk away from where the stabbing took place,
23:25and I can see the victim goes to McDonald's with two other females.
23:38You need to be cautious when watching nighttime footage.
23:42It's grainy, it can be quite misleading sometimes.
23:46You can get the wrong impression, so that's really important to keep an open mind.
23:57He's in McDonald's for quite some time.
24:00If I just run it forward...
24:05..two minutes past midnight, he leaves by himself.
24:09Unfortunately for us, that part of the main road is not covered by CCTV cameras,
24:15and I can't track him any further.
24:18It's chilling to think that he will be stabbed soon after this.
24:35So, I just thought I'd update you, cos I've just had the results back.
24:39Both knives found at the scene, and the ripped jacket, have been tested for DNA.
24:44So, if I start off with the silver kitchen knife...
24:48Yep.
24:48..no blood was found on that, and there was no fingerprints that were found.
24:53Then we go on to the machete.
24:56So, there was blood that was found on the actual blade,
25:00but that's come back to suspect one.
25:04And there was DNA that was taken from the handle,
25:09and that has actually come back to the victim.
25:13OK.
25:14So, suggesting that that was the victim's knife.
25:18OK, that's interesting.
25:20Why was the victim carrying a knife?
25:22If he's had to go somewhere to meet somebody with a knife,
25:25he's potentially expecting some trouble.
25:27They've both stabbed each other,
25:30but who struck who first?
25:34The blood on the outside of the jacket
25:36has been profiled to suspect one,
25:41but no victim's blood,
25:42so that fits in with the account of suspect two
25:45that he's actually borrowed his brother's jacket after the event.
25:51I'm not sure if you've been given an update
25:52from the prepared statement that suspect one gave in the interview,
25:56which was effectively he was acting in self-defence.
25:59But he was attacked, and that's obviously why he's lashed out.
26:03So, obviously, some of those results does go some way
26:06to, like, kind of supporting his...
26:08Support that, yeah.
26:08..his account.
26:13I'll be sorting out your bail.
26:15So, you are going to be released from custody today,
26:17but there are actually certain bail conditions
26:19that are going to be attached to you on the right.
26:23So far, none of the forensic evidence links suspect two
26:27the older brother to the stabbing.
26:31I don't feel that we've gathered enough evidence
26:33that we can go and approach the Crown Prosecution Service
26:36in order to authorise charges.
26:37It may actually be the evidence doesn't exist
26:39because he's not involved,
26:41but equally, the investigation will continue.
26:43It doesn't stop just because someone's been bailed.
26:46Thank you, Sergeant.
26:48Whilst suspect two is released on bail,
26:51his younger brother remains in custody.
27:06So, we've received in both suspect one
27:08and suspect two's devices.
27:10I'm just going to take initial photographs
27:12of both of these.
27:14In a bid to find a motive for the attack
27:17that connects the brothers to the victim,
27:19all three teenagers' phones are sent for data to be downloaded.
27:25Suspect one's device, it's very damaged.
27:29The camera's smashed, the back's smashed,
27:31there's a slight cracking to the front of the device.
27:34Just have to be very careful
27:35when we're extracting the data from this.
27:49Just showing that the device is encrypted.
27:52Apple devices are notoriously difficult to get into.
27:57It doesn't look like we've picked up a lot
27:59from images, videos or chats.
28:04There's literally next to nothing.
28:07Now, starting on suspect two's device.
28:15I'm not actually seeing a lot of images, videos
28:19or any kind of media whatsoever.
28:21It doesn't appear like there's much data
28:23from the extraction at all,
28:25because it's probably a newer phone, that's why.
28:26Although the suspect's devices are encrypted,
28:30the victim's phone is unlocked
28:32and the data downloaded
28:34for digital media investigator
28:36Sherry Watkins to analyse.
28:39I think when it comes to digital evidence these days,
28:43it's one of the most crucial elements
28:45of an investigation,
28:47especially when you're dealing with teenagers.
28:49They are addicted to their phones.
28:51The phones are the world.
28:52They're everything.
28:54So I know that the victim's phone
28:56was used to phone 999,
28:58so that call, I've got that on here.
29:01So that was at 0049 hours.
29:06I'm going to go back a couple of hours
29:07and see if there's any content of note there.
29:10The first thing I want to do
29:11is look to see if there's any contact
29:12between the victim and one of the suspects.
29:16Chances are, with the age,
29:17it's going to be Snapchat, TikTok,
29:19because kids rarely use network calls,
29:22network text messages these days.
29:24It's usually all apps.
29:25He's got some stuff on here
29:26that I usually find on teenagers' phones.
29:29There's a chat here
29:31where he's swapping rap songs with somebody.
29:35A lot of it's just chats with friends
29:38by the look of it,
29:39and maybe a girlfriend.
29:40That stuff we've got.
29:42He is using Snapchat quite a lot.
29:45You can do direct messaging,
29:46but the thing with Snapchat
29:48that attracts a lot of them to it
29:49is the fact that it disappears quickly afterwards.
29:52So the content's gone.
29:54It can't be retrieved.
29:55But we have got some data
29:56that comes back on the phones.
30:00From the data,
30:01Sherry is able to pinpoint communications
30:03between the victim and suspect one.
30:07It looks like there's a large volume of messages
30:10between, like, nine o'clock at night
30:12and quarter to one,
30:13which is pretty much, like,
30:15a couple of minutes
30:16before this all kicked off.
30:18And there are 242 messages.
30:20And they're literally, like,
30:22bang, bang, bang, bang, bang.
30:23And there's a couple of phone calls.
30:24There's some, like, video calls on there.
30:27But, annoyingly,
30:28I can't see any of the content.
30:29It does make me wonder
30:31what was being said.
30:34As much as it's frustrating
30:35because I don't have the content,
30:36those messages were being
30:38bandied back and forth
30:39and they literally finished
30:40seconds before
30:41the attack has taken place,
30:44which would suggest
30:44that there was potentially
30:46a pre-arranged meet
30:47between the victim
30:48and suspect one.
31:02Got some further footage here
31:04from the Sainsbury's car park.
31:08With the phone data
31:09suggesting a planned meeting,
31:11Zed has tracked the victim
31:13to the car park
31:13close to where he was found stabbed
31:15and discovered a major lead.
31:19I can see he's on his mobile phone.
31:23He's now walking backwards and forwards.
31:26I wonder whether he's waiting there for somebody.
31:36To the left of the frame,
31:38I can see three individuals
31:40running in the direction of the victim.
31:44The victim is walking off
31:46to the right of the screen
31:47and these three individuals
31:49are chasing him.
31:52It's three individuals
31:54that are involved in this incident.
31:55That's significant, that is.
31:57Who is this third suspect?
32:00Who is doing what?
32:02The footage is not the clearest.
32:05It's dark at the time.
32:06Their faces are covered.
32:07They're wearing dark clothing.
32:09At this moment,
32:11I'm unable to identify
32:13who the actual suspects are.
32:16If I just pause it there
32:18and take it back slightly,
32:20I've just noticed something.
32:22I've zoomed in here
32:23onto the CCTV footage.
32:26And just there,
32:27something that caught my eye.
32:31He's clearly holding an item
32:33that's shiny.
32:34It's got a reflective quality.
32:35It's certainly consistent with a knife.
32:38And he's holding that
32:39in his right hand
32:40as he's running
32:41in the direction of the victim,
32:42I imagine, to attack him.
32:49The victim and the individuals
32:51have gone off the screen
32:52and I don't think I've got footage
32:54from that particular location.
32:58Is it a set-up?
33:01It's very difficult then
33:02for a suspect to argue
33:03that they acted in self-defence
33:05and therefore used reasonable force
33:06if actually what they've done
33:08is arranged to meet somebody
33:09with a view to having
33:10some disorder with them.
33:15There's also still
33:16some outstanding offenders.
33:18There is either one
33:20or possibly two
33:20outstanding offenders.
33:22It's really important
33:23that we get this third person
33:24into custody.
33:25The longer that that takes,
33:27the more opportunity they have
33:28to dispose of any weapons,
33:31any clothing,
33:33dispose of any mobile phone,
33:34all things that may link them
33:36to the other suspects
33:37and the scene.
33:39I mean, with regards
33:40to the victim, actually,
33:42what's his current state
33:44at the minute?
33:44Is he still stable?
33:45So he's critical but stable.
33:47They're still monitoring him.
33:48He's having regular scans.
33:50We'll see what happens
33:51like kind of with him
33:51over the next couple of days
33:52and I'll let you know.
33:53Yeah.
33:53All right, lovely.
33:54OK.
33:54Okey-doke.
33:57Zed has widened his search
33:59for the three attackers
34:00on CCTV
34:01and alerts aid
34:03to new footage he's found
34:04from the brothers' local area.
34:07How are you getting on, Zed?
34:08If you sit down,
34:09I'll just lead you through it.
34:13Footage here shows
34:15suspect number two
34:17leaving his address.
34:18Yep.
34:19Climbing out of the house
34:20through the downstairs window.
34:23He then makes his way
34:25over the road
34:26to the other suspect's address
34:29followed by suspect number one.
34:31OK.
34:32He takes the same route.
34:34Zed is able to track
34:35both brothers
34:36as they're joined
34:37by the third suspect
34:38minutes before the stabbing.
34:42Both suspects follow
34:44suspect number three
34:46and you see all three suspects
34:48as they walk onto the road
34:50and in the direction
34:51of the car park.
34:52That's a good clear image
34:54of this, isn't it?
34:57All three suspects
34:58chase the victim.
35:00We believe
35:02these three individuals
35:03have attacked the victim.
35:05This changes everything.
35:07We have a third suspect
35:09and we now know
35:10that that person lives
35:12in the same street
35:13as our two suspects.
35:18An arrest team
35:20heads to the new
35:21suspect's address.
35:26Hello,
35:27this is Westminster Police.
35:29Where they find
35:30a 15-year-old
35:31who resembles
35:32the figure
35:32seen on CCTV.
35:34You are under arrest
35:36and suspicion
35:36of attempted murder
35:37and possession
35:38of an offensive weapon.
35:40Do you want to put
35:41some clothes on
35:42or I'm going to have
35:43to put some handcuffs
35:44on you, OK?
35:50Suspect two,
35:51the older brother
35:51who was released
35:52on bail,
35:53is also re-arrested.
35:55We're here in relation
35:56to the incident
35:58that you were
35:58previously arrested for.
36:00Basically,
36:01we've had further evidence
36:02that we need
36:02to question you about.
36:04where's your phone?
36:05We know you've got
36:06a phone here, mate.
36:07We can turn the place
36:08upside down
36:09or you can give us
36:09the phone.
36:10Give me the phone,
36:11otherwise...
36:13Stop being silly.
36:20Stop being silly.
36:32Did you hear
36:32what the allegation is
36:33regarding the attempted
36:34murder?
36:36Vulnerable IP
36:37due to age?
36:37Yes.
36:40And what's he been
36:40arrested for?
36:41Attempted murder.
36:43You've heard
36:43what the officers have said,
36:44so just pop your hands
36:45out of there for me,
36:46please, mate.
36:46I am authorising
36:47your detention here.
36:48That means you're going
36:49to remain here with us
36:50for a time so that
36:51we can secure and
36:51preserve evidence
36:52and you can be interviewed.
36:53All right.
37:01Police now have
37:02three teenagers
37:03in custody
37:03who are their prime
37:05suspects.
37:21So, I've got the phone
37:23download for
37:24suspect three's phone now.
37:26And there's loads of
37:26stuff on here
37:27with his mum.
37:29I know I do that
37:30to the kids,
37:30like, I can't be arsed
37:32to shout up the
37:33stairs to them.
37:34Sorry for this morning,
37:35when you wake me up
37:35angry, I'll get in a bad
37:36mood, but I'll clean the
37:37kitchen and the living room
37:38for you.
37:39It's like, oh,
37:40when you read stuff like this,
37:41you realise that they are
37:42any kids, aren't they?
37:44I'm going to click
37:45on to the notes section.
37:47So, I've got 207 notes
37:50and I can see already
37:51that there are some
37:52what looks like
37:53rap lyrics.
37:55And it might be a case of
37:57if I go through
37:58all these lyrics,
37:59there might be something
37:59mentioned in the incident.
38:02Teenagers will talk
38:02quite freely amongst each
38:04other when it comes
38:04to their phones.
38:05They think it's
38:06a safe environment.
38:07They'll have, like,
38:08a false sense of security
38:09that what they're
38:10discussing will never
38:11be read by anybody
38:13and are often surprised
38:14when they are.
38:16So, if we have
38:17a little listen.
38:24He's all about
38:24sitting in the trap.
38:27Probably a car.
38:34I chop it down
38:36to stones,
38:37which is going to be
38:38potentially a reference.
38:39to a drug line.
38:41Looks like there's
38:42some stuff around
38:43drug dealing.
38:44Some lists
38:45and some amounts.
38:47There's references
38:49about chinging people,
38:51splashing people,
38:53wetting people,
38:54which all of them
38:55are in reference
38:57to stabbing.
38:58Wearing ballys,
39:00balaclavas,
39:01shanks,
39:02genives.
39:03Certainly doesn't
39:04really paint
39:04a pretty picture,
39:05does it?
39:07Teenage line.
39:08It's really hard
39:09to decipher sometimes.
39:11You have to decode them.
39:13Latest one I've got
39:14was Flizz.
39:15That was a new one
39:16on me.
39:17I thought that was
39:17a person for a while
39:19because people have
39:19some crazy street names
39:21and then it turned out
39:22that Flizz was bad.
39:25difficult to use.
39:26They share lyrics
39:28and they share songs
39:29with each other
39:29but it's hard to work out
39:31whether they're talking
39:32about something
39:32that has actually happened,
39:33whether it's something
39:33they want to get involved in
39:34or whether it is just
39:35pure fantasy.
39:36Trying to work out
39:37what's facts
39:38and what's fiction really.
39:41Sherry also examines
39:42a new,
39:43unencrypted phone
39:44from Suspect 2,
39:45which police found on him
39:46when he was re-arrested.
39:49He's got
39:51nearly 45,000 images
39:53on this phone
39:54but I can filter them down.
39:56This one here
39:59tagged
39:59tonight's vibe
40:01of a male
40:03posing with what looks
40:04like a very large
40:05hunting knife.
40:07Now his face is blurred out
40:09but there's a second video
40:10like literally
40:11six minutes after this
40:12of Suspect 2
40:13and I can see it's him.
40:14His face isn't blurred
40:16and he's wearing
40:16exactly the same clothing
40:19so it looks like
40:21he has had
40:22or has in his possession
40:23a rather large
40:24hunting knife
40:24at some point.
40:25I mean this kid here
40:26has got a Rambo knife
40:28and these are all
40:29different kids.
40:30I don't know who they are
40:31but they all look
40:32about the same age
40:33like mid to late teens.
40:35You're talking Rambo knives
40:37and zombie knives
40:38they're that big
40:39and they're deadly weapons.
40:41They're really blasé
40:42about it.
40:43They don't seem to care.
40:44That shouldn't just
40:45be a normal thing
40:46for 15, 16 year olds.
40:48to do
40:48but it seems like
40:50it is these days.
40:57Sherry updates
40:58Aid's team
40:58to see whether
40:59any of these discoveries
41:01can be used as evidence.
41:03Profile 2's own
41:04that we've had off him.
41:06There's a lot of pictures
41:06of knives isn't there?
41:08They're horrific looking
41:09aren't they?
41:09Aren't they vile?
41:10They're like giant
41:11like hunting knives.
41:12I can't see anything
41:14that specifically mentions
41:16the incident itself
41:17that I can see.
41:18Okay.
41:20Attempting murder
41:21is a very difficult crime
41:22to prove.
41:23We have to demonstrate
41:24to the court
41:25that those individuals
41:27had the intention
41:28to kill the victim
41:30so that they had jointly
41:32acted together
41:33in order to inflict
41:34that injury.
41:34can we actually prove that?
41:40The knife used
41:41to attack the victim
41:42has not been found
41:43so Joe meets
41:45with digital imaging specialist
41:47Lucy McGregor
41:48to analyse a 3D scan
41:50of his injuries.
41:52The stab wound
41:53would have been
41:54along this line somewhere
41:55and this is just a scar
41:56from where they've opened
41:57him up for surgery
41:58to assess the damage
41:59within his stomach area.
42:01The process
42:03known as body mapping
42:04may reveal clues
42:05to what kind of knife
42:07was used.
42:08It did a lot of damage
42:09on the inside
42:10so there was wounds
42:11to the front and back
42:12walls of the stomach
42:13and also the left lobe
42:14of the liver
42:15was damaged as well
42:16as well as a laceration
42:18to the pancreas.
42:19The left kidney
42:20was also damaged
42:20and had to be removed.
42:22So it must have been
42:23gone in quite deep
42:24then hadn't it?
42:25Yeah, very deep.
42:26Body mapping
42:27is really useful
42:28because you can see
42:29the angle
42:30that the knife's gone in.
42:32There could be
42:32a whole range of scenarios
42:34of like what position
42:35he was in
42:35if he was moving
42:35at the time
42:36or was he crouched
42:37down when the knife
42:37went towards him.
42:39You know,
42:40it's obviously
42:40quite a significant weapon
42:41to cause
42:42those injuries
42:44whether it's perhaps
42:45gone in at an angle
42:45as well
42:46or kind of repeatedly
42:48gone in.
42:49Possibly an angle
42:49to then hit his kidney
42:51up here.
42:53There's a lot of questions
42:54and a lot of unknowns
42:55really
42:55of the kind of
42:56sequence of events.
42:58I think the impact
42:59is when you actually see
43:00oh my God
43:00it's gone right through
43:01and it's nicked his kidney
43:03but the frustrating part
43:04is the fact
43:05that we can't identify
43:06which weapon
43:07was used
43:07and who actually
43:09used that weapon
43:09to cause the injuries
43:10to the victim.
43:11This could kind of
43:13jeopardise the case
43:14really.
43:20On this particular
43:22CCTV footage
43:23we've got all three
43:23suspects
43:24as they make
43:25their way away
43:26from the crime scene
43:27post-offence.
43:29After searching
43:30dozens more cameras
43:31Zed has located
43:33the suspects
43:34fleeing down
43:34a side street
43:35and found more
43:37than just images.
43:39It appears as if
43:40they are avoiding
43:42the main roads
43:42and this particular
43:45footage has
43:46audio recording.
43:47Brilliant.
43:51You can hear there
43:52they're having a
43:52conversation
43:53amongst each other.
43:55I'll just adjust
43:57the settings here.
44:04So the one suspect
44:05says to the other
44:06is that your blood
44:07and he replies
44:08no.
44:11Takes his jacket
44:13off and hands it
44:13to the other suspect.
44:16They then
44:17go off
44:18onto a side road.
44:19This particular
44:20footage here
44:21that we've obtained
44:22also has audio.
44:26He's quite far
44:27ahead of you
44:33saying that he's
44:34dropped his shanks
44:35so that he's
44:36dropped his weapons.
44:39One of the other
44:40suspects then says
44:41he's done the same.
44:42The third suspect
44:43says that he's
44:43in possession
44:44of his weapon.
44:44There.
44:46That CCTV
44:47with the audio
44:48is really
44:49a key find.
44:51All three suspects
44:52make reference
44:54to either
44:55being in possession
44:56of a knife
44:56or having been
44:57in possession
44:58of a knife
44:58and clearly
44:59this is
45:01incriminating evidence.
45:06And all three
45:07then run off
45:08off camera.
45:10You can hear the
45:11tyrants in the background
45:12can't you?
45:13I wonder if that's
45:14what makes them
45:14start to run.
45:15The audio footage
45:17from the CCTV
45:18demonstrates
45:19that they were
45:20all armed
45:21with weapons.
45:23It suggests
45:24to me really
45:25that all three
45:26people jointly
45:27acted together
45:28in order to
45:29inflict that injury.
45:32One of them
45:33it looks like
45:34he's holding
45:34his head.
45:36Right.
45:37You see here
45:38that right hand
45:39is touching
45:40the back of his head.
45:41I imagine
45:42he may have
45:42sustained an injury
45:43during this altercation
45:44and I'm aware
45:46that suspect
45:47number one
45:48did sustain
45:48a head injury
45:49as well as
45:50an injury
45:51to his hand.
45:58All three suspects
45:59now face
46:00questioning
46:00about the new
46:01footage
46:03starting with
46:0415-year-old
46:05suspect three.
46:07I want to show
46:07you some footage
46:08and this has
46:09got sound
46:10so I want you
46:11to pay attention
46:12to what you
46:13can hear as well.
46:15Come,
46:16I dropped my shanks.
46:17Come,
46:18I dropped my shanks.
46:19What does that mean?
46:21You're coming.
46:22His shanks
46:23means knives,
46:24doesn't it?
46:24No comment.
46:25So you're shouting
46:26back at them
46:26that you dropped
46:27your knives?
46:28No comment.
46:29Do you agree
46:30that that's you
46:31that said that?
46:32No comment.
46:33I can't run, sir.
46:35Which one
46:36of the brothers
46:36said that?
46:37No comment.
46:40Suspect two,
46:41the older brother,
46:42who previously
46:43denied being
46:44at the scene,
46:44is next
46:45to be re-interviewed.
46:47I'm going
46:48to show you
46:48now some images.
46:51These three males
46:53entering the rear
46:54of Sainsbury's.
46:57I believe
46:58that person there
46:59is yourself.
47:00Can you tell me
47:01any different?
47:02No comment.
47:03What was your purpose
47:04of going on
47:05to Sainsbury's
47:06car park?
47:07No comment.
47:09Did you have a knife
47:10when you went
47:10to that car park?
47:11No comment.
47:12You see,
47:13that person there
47:14has got an object
47:15in his hand.
47:16Can you tell me
47:16what that is?
47:17No comment.
47:18Is it a knife?
47:19No comment.
47:23Suspect one
47:24is also questioned
47:25about the evidence,
47:26which challenges
47:27his claim
47:28of self-defence.
47:30This is my
47:31final offer to you.
47:32Will you tell me
47:33in detail
47:33everything that happened
47:34during that incident?
47:36I reiterate
47:37I am not guilty
47:38of attempt murder.
47:39I feel I am a victim
47:40in this case also.
47:42Had I not
47:42defended myself,
47:43I believe I would
47:44have been killed.
47:45I would make
47:45no further comment.
47:48Right, 1742,
47:49and I'm switching
47:50the machine off.
48:01We have three suspects
48:03who have been present
48:05or have attacked
48:06our victim.
48:07For me,
48:08that diminishes
48:09the self-defence
48:11aspect that was
48:13put forward
48:13by suspect one
48:15and made it
48:16less believable.
48:20So I now
48:21really need
48:21the victim's
48:22account
48:23to help
48:23build that story
48:24that then
48:25gives the best
48:26understanding
48:27about what
48:27happened that evening.
48:35Right,
48:36so do you want
48:37to talk me
48:38through
48:39basically
48:40what happened
48:40to you?
48:42There's a
48:43breakthrough
48:43for the team.
48:44The victim
48:45is finally
48:46well enough
48:46to give a
48:47witness statement
48:48and reveal
48:48his version
48:49of events.
48:51We had agreed
48:52on meeting
48:52up,
48:53just me and
48:54him.
48:55We never
48:55agreed on
48:56no fighting,
48:56no violence,
48:57but we just
48:59agreed on
48:59meeting up.
49:01He confirms
49:02that suspect
49:02one arranged
49:03to meet him
49:04on the night
49:04of the stabbing.
49:06He had sent
49:06me a snap.
49:07He said,
49:08oh,
49:08I'm on my way.
49:09He was just
49:09saying he doesn't
49:10want problems.
49:11He was convincing
49:11me,
49:11making it seem
49:12like, oh,
49:12it was all
49:13going to be fine.
49:13And when
49:14did you fall
49:15out with him?
49:16We played
49:17for the same
49:17football team.
49:18He was my
49:18friend as well.
49:20It's just we
49:20fell out after
49:21I had a problem
49:21with one of his
49:22friends who used
49:23to also play
49:23for that team.
49:24So you had
49:24a problem
49:25with his
49:25mate over...
49:28It was a
49:29play fight
49:29that went
49:30too serious
49:31and he threatened
49:31to stab me.
49:33I look up
49:34and then I see
49:35three masked
49:36people running
49:37up at me.
49:42And then
49:42they pulled
49:43out their
49:43knives.
49:43OK.
49:45His older
49:46brother had
49:46a kitchen
49:47knife and
49:48his other
49:48accomplice had
49:49two knives.
49:49I don't know
49:50what type of
49:50knives though,
49:51but he took
49:51out two
49:52knives.
49:52So then I
49:53took out
49:53my knife and
49:55held it out
49:56towards them.
49:57OK, so tell
49:58me, what made
49:58you take your
50:00knife out of
50:01that point?
50:02Because I
50:02knew they
50:02were trying
50:03to kill me.
50:04That was their
50:05intention.
50:05What made
50:06you take
50:06that knife
50:07with you
50:07when you
50:08went to
50:08see him?
50:09I felt
50:10that the
50:11need to
50:11have
50:11something
50:11to
50:12protect
50:12myself
50:12just in
50:13case,
50:14because I
50:14know the
50:14type of
50:14person he
50:15is.
50:15So what
50:16was your
50:16intention
50:17when you
50:17took that
50:18knife
50:18with you?
50:20For
50:20self-defence.
50:21I just
50:21wanted to
50:21keep it
50:22to myself.
50:22They were
50:23all running
50:23up at me.
50:24They were
50:24all just
50:25trying to
50:25swing at
50:25me and
50:26I was
50:26just
50:26trying to
50:26swing
50:27to keep
50:27them
50:27away
50:27from
50:28me.
50:28OK,
50:28so hold
50:29it there
50:29for a
50:29second.
50:30And what
50:30was your
50:31intention
50:31when you
50:31just
50:31swinging
50:32your knife?
50:33To get
50:33them back
50:34to get
50:34them to
50:34run
50:34away.
50:35They
50:36would go
50:36back to
50:36pretend
50:37they were
50:37going to
50:37go away
50:37then they
50:38would come
50:38back again
50:39and try
50:39and attack
50:39me.
50:40They
50:40just
50:40wanted
50:40to
50:40kill
50:41me.
50:42Who's
50:42coming
50:43at you?
50:43They
50:44all took
50:44swings
50:44at me.
50:45It was
50:45like they
50:46were taking
50:47turns.
50:47They
50:47were playing
50:48with me.
50:48They
50:48knew they
50:49could
50:49kill
50:49me but
50:50they
50:50were
50:50just
50:50playing
50:50with
50:51me.
50:53And that
50:54was
50:54when he
50:54just
50:54came
50:55and he
50:55stabbed
50:56me
50:56through.
50:57The
50:58victim
50:58named
50:58suspect
50:59one
51:00as the
51:00person
51:01who
51:01stabbed
51:01him
51:02in
51:02the
51:02chest.
51:04I
51:04didn't
51:04feel
51:05pain.
51:05I
51:06just
51:06felt
51:06like
51:06there
51:06was
51:06something
51:07inside
51:07me.
51:08And
51:08then
51:08when
51:08he
51:08was
51:09trying
51:09to
51:09take
51:09it
51:09out
51:09it
51:10was
51:10just
51:10like
51:10it
51:11jammed
51:11in
51:11my
51:11kidney.
51:14And
51:14that
51:14was
51:15when
51:15I
51:15swung
51:15as
51:15well
51:15because
51:16the
51:16adrenaline
51:16kicked
51:17in.
51:17I
51:17don't
51:17remember.
51:18I'm
51:24a
51:24knife.
51:24How
51:24many
51:25times
51:25did
51:25you
51:25do
51:25it?
51:26I
51:27can't
51:27remember.
51:28Pretty
51:28sure it's
51:29once or
51:29twice.
51:30I
51:30just
51:30started
51:30running
51:31down
51:31the
51:31road.
51:32I
51:32was
51:32running
51:32for
51:32my
51:32life.
51:33Because
51:34adrenaline
51:34helped
51:34me.
51:35I
51:35was
51:35just
51:36running.
51:39It's
51:40really
51:40pleasing
51:40that the
51:40victim's
51:41given
51:41us
51:41an
51:41account.
51:42That
51:42he
51:43is
51:43willing
51:44to
51:44support
51:44our
51:44investigation.
51:45But
51:45it's
51:45really
51:45important
51:46that
51:46we
51:46don't
51:47just
51:47take
51:47it
51:48at
51:48face
51:48value.
51:48We
51:49need
51:49to
51:49make
51:49sure
51:50that
51:50what
51:50we're
51:50being
51:50told
51:51is
51:52true.
52:01OK.
52:02That's
52:02interesting.
52:03And
52:03there
52:04are
52:04some
52:05lyrics
52:06on
52:06here.
52:07One
52:08of
52:08them
52:08has
52:08actually
52:09got
52:09the
52:09street
52:10name
52:10of
52:10our
52:10victim
52:11in
52:11it
52:11as
52:11well.
52:12Sherry
52:13has
52:13been
52:13digging
52:14deeper
52:14into
52:14suspect
52:152's
52:15new
52:16phone,
52:16which
52:17he
52:17used
52:17after
52:18the
52:18offence
52:18and
52:19hidden
52:20amongst
52:20the
52:20many
52:20notes
52:21discovered
52:22a
52:22song
52:22lyric.
52:24Fucked
52:24at
52:24NHS,
52:25are
52:25you
52:26taking
52:26the
52:26piss?
52:27And
52:27then
52:27there's
52:27the
52:28street
52:28name
52:28of
52:28our
52:28victim.
52:29Should
52:29have
52:29got
52:29packed
52:29that
52:30day,
52:30but
52:31he
52:31got
52:31revived.
52:32Three
52:32shanks
52:33up,
52:33when
52:33we
52:33booked
52:34that
52:34prick,
52:34we
52:35done
52:35it
52:35all
52:35flizz,
52:36but
52:36we
52:36don't
52:37give
52:37a
52:37shit.
52:3736
52:38hours,
52:38banged
52:39up
52:39in
52:39sales,
52:39I
52:40ain't
52:40no
52:40rat,
52:40don't
52:41talk
52:41to
52:41the
52:41pigs,
52:42fucked,
52:43street
52:43name
52:43of
52:44our
52:44victim,
52:45should
52:45have
52:45been
52:45in
52:45Musbliff.
52:47They're
52:48mentioning
52:48our
52:48victim,
52:49they're
52:50mentioning
52:50the
52:50fact
52:50that
52:50he
52:51should
52:51have
52:51got
52:51packed
52:51that
52:52day,
52:52which
52:52I'd
52:53suggest
52:53means
52:53body
52:54bagged,
52:55killed,
52:55but
52:56he
52:56got
52:56revived.
52:57Three
52:58shanks
52:58up,
52:59three
52:59knives
52:59up,
53:01but
53:01I
53:02ain't
53:02no
53:02rat,
53:02don't
53:03talk
53:03to
53:03the
53:03pigs.
53:04Great.
53:05That
53:10and
53:10he's
53:11clearly
53:11very
53:11upset
53:12that
53:12the
53:12NHS
53:12managed
53:13to
53:13save
53:14his
53:14life.
53:16I
53:17find
53:17it
53:17mind
53:18boggling
53:18that
53:18you
53:18would
53:19brag
53:19about
53:19nearly
53:20killing
53:20somebody.
53:21I
53:22can't
53:23wrap
53:23my
53:23brain
53:23around
53:23that.
53:24It's
53:25like
53:25writing
53:25a
53:26confession
53:26down
53:26in
53:26the
53:26form
53:27of
53:27rap.
53:27It's
53:28so
53:28incriminating.
53:36Aid
53:37meets
53:37with
53:37Joe
53:37to
53:38assess
53:38whether
53:39there's
53:39strong
53:39enough
53:40evidence
53:40to
53:40charge
53:41all
53:41three
53:42teenagers
53:42with
53:43attempted
53:43murder.
53:45Attempt
53:45murder is
53:46probably
53:46one of
53:46the
53:46hardest
53:47defences
53:47because
53:47you've
53:48got
53:48to
53:48show
53:48that
53:48intent.
53:49We
53:50need
53:50to
53:50show
53:50that
53:50there
53:51was
53:51an
53:51intention
53:51to
53:51kill.
53:52The
53:53victim
53:53is
53:53saying
53:53that
53:54he
53:54was
53:55attacked
53:55by
53:55all
53:55three
53:56people.
53:57We
53:58know
53:58from
53:58phones
53:59that
53:59there
53:59was
53:59potentially
54:00a
54:02meetup
54:02arranged
54:03and
54:04therefore
54:04that
54:05they've
54:05gone
54:05there
54:06in
54:06order
54:06to
54:06sort
54:07out
54:07some
54:08issue
54:08between
54:09them.
54:10I
54:10think
54:10that
54:10shows
54:11actually
54:12that
54:12they
54:12were
54:12all
54:12aware
54:13of
54:13what
54:13was
54:14going
54:14on
54:14that
54:14night.
54:15I was
54:15going to
54:15say
54:15you've
54:15got
54:15three
54:16against
54:16one
54:16haven't
54:16you?
54:17Yeah.
54:17Which
54:18shows
54:18that
54:18they
54:18were
54:19the
54:19aggressors.
54:20Yes
54:20we
54:21know
54:21that
54:21suspect
54:22one
54:22has
54:22got
54:22some
54:22injuries
54:23but
54:24the
54:24severity
54:24of
54:25the
54:25victim's
54:26injuries
54:26the
54:26fact
54:26that
54:27he
54:27was
54:27on
54:27his
54:27own
54:27and
54:28the
54:28fact
54:28that
54:28he
54:29seen
54:29people
54:30running
54:31towards
54:31him
54:31that
54:32evidence
54:32is
54:33an
54:33element
54:33of
54:34planning
54:34I
54:35think
54:35diminishes
54:36self-defense
54:37given
54:38that
54:39knife
54:39crime
54:39is
54:39such
54:39an
54:40issue
54:40I
54:40think
54:40it's
54:41only
54:41sensible
54:41really
54:41that
54:42we
54:43discuss
54:43that
54:44with
54:44CPS
54:45We've
54:46got
54:46mobile
54:46phone
54:47evidence
54:47we've
54:48got
54:48CCTV
54:49evidence
54:49you
54:50know
54:50by
54:50putting
54:51it
54:51all
54:51together
54:51that
54:52then
54:53helps
54:53us
54:53to
54:53show
54:55what
54:56has
54:56happened
54:56and
54:56able
54:57to
54:57demonstrate
54:57to
54:57the
54:58court
54:58these
54:58three
54:59individuals
54:59have
55:00attacked
55:01the
55:02victim
55:02and
55:02caused
55:03that
55:03very
55:03significant
55:04injury
55:04to
55:04him
55:10can
55:10you
55:10come
55:11and
55:11stand
55:11at
55:11the
55:11desk
55:11please
55:12thank
55:12you
55:13we're
55:13going
55:14to
55:14be
55:14charged
55:14okay
55:15with
55:15some
55:16very
55:16serious
55:17offenses
55:18the
55:19Crown
55:19Prosecution
55:20Service
55:20decides
55:21that
55:21all
55:21three
55:22suspects
55:22should
55:23face
55:23the
55:23same
55:24charges
55:25you're
55:26going
55:26to be
55:26charged
55:26with
55:26the
55:27following
55:27offenses
55:27first
55:28offense
55:29attempted
55:29murder
55:31second
55:31charge
55:31had
55:32with
55:32you
55:32in
55:32a
55:32public
55:33place
55:33an
55:34article
55:34which
55:34had
55:35a
55:35blade
55:35or
55:35sharply
55:35pointed
55:36namely
55:36a
55:37kitchen
55:37knife
55:37I do
55:38know
55:38that
55:38you're
55:3915
55:39years
55:39of
55:40age
55:40and
55:40they
55:40are
55:41very
55:41serious
55:42and
55:42grave
55:42offenses
55:43for
55:43which
55:43you've
55:43been
55:44charged
55:46it is
55:47hard
55:47sometimes
55:48to
55:48step
55:48back
55:48and
55:48think
55:49wow
55:50these
55:50are
55:50only
55:50like
55:5115
55:5116
55:5117
55:52year
55:52old
55:52kids
55:52when
55:53you
55:53really
55:53boil
55:53it
55:54down
55:54we're
55:54not
55:54talking
55:54about
55:54grown
55:54adults
55:55here
55:55we're
55:55talking
55:55about
55:56kids
55:56that
55:56have
55:57got
55:57their
55:57whole
55:57lives
55:57in
55:58front
55:58of
55:58them
55:59what
55:59the
55:59hell
55:59are
55:59you
55:59doing
56:00if
56:00you
56:00understand
56:01those
56:01charges
56:01if
56:02you
56:02can
56:02sign
56:02right
56:02here
56:02that's
56:03not
56:03to say
56:03you're
56:03admitting
56:04to
56:04anything
56:04it's
56:04just
56:04to say
56:05you've
56:05understood
56:05the
56:05charges
56:45we
56:45never
56:45take
56:46the
56:46pleas
56:47to
56:47lesser
56:47offences
56:48lightly
56:49but
56:49it's
56:50incredibly
56:50difficult
56:51in order
56:51to prove
56:51an
56:52attempted
56:52murder
56:52and
56:53actually
56:53I believe
56:53this
56:53was
56:53the
56:54right
56:54thing
56:54to
56:54do
56:54in
56:55these
56:55circumstances
56:55we
56:56have
56:56achieved
56:57some
56:57justice
56:58for
56:59the
56:59victim
56:59and
56:59his
56:59family
57:00and
57:00hopefully
57:01this
57:01will
57:01set
57:01a
57:02clear
57:02message
57:02to
57:02young
57:02people
57:03to
57:03the
57:03dangers
57:04of
57:04knife
57:04crime
57:05and
57:05the
57:05dangers
57:05of
57:05carrying
57:06knives
57:24and
57:31unfortunately
57:31unfortunately
57:31victim
57:36has got
57:37life
57:37changing
57:38injuries
57:38for the
57:39rest of
57:39his life
57:41I can only
57:42imagine what
57:42the victim's
57:43family but
57:44also the
57:45suspect's
57:45family are
57:46going through
57:48it's so sad
57:48that they've got
57:49their whole
57:50life ahead of
57:50them
57:51I'm sure they've
57:52all had aspirations
57:53of what they want to do
57:54in the future
57:55and that's been taken away
57:57from them really
57:57from a moment of bad choices
58:00that they've all made
58:04every contact leaves a trace
58:06that forensic experts
58:08can follow
58:09explore it for yourself
58:10with the Open University's
58:12new interactive case simulator
58:14scan the QR code
58:16on screen
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