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00:00:16Hello there everybody you're all very welcome to the show and I hope you enjoy what happens here
00:00:20over the next hour or so. To find out who our first guest is let me hand you over to
00:00:25our MC
00:00:25for the evening, the beautiful Fred Cook. Thank you Tommy. Well our first guest is Mr Pat Spillane.
00:00:41Good to see you. We've never met. I don't think so. No. Are you busy these days? What do you
00:00:53go at?
00:00:53I know I do nothing. Really? But I do it very well. Yeah. I retired from teaching at 55 so
00:01:02it's 15 years ago.
00:01:03I still write with the Sunday World. I started writing with them 1st of October 1991 and I haven't missed
00:01:10Sunday since then.
00:01:11That's 24, 34 years, 35 years. I write for the Irish Independent as well. I do podcasts with the Independent
00:01:18and I watch sport all day long.
00:01:23A few things. What subject did you teach in school?
00:01:26I taught Geography in PE. The first year I was teaching, I was in ColáisdĂ Ságanán BáilávĂşrnĂ, an all-Irish
00:01:33-speaking school,
00:01:34where the BarstilbáĂ, if you remember, was filmed with Aidan Quinn, I think. Great school, great college.
00:01:40Went to Bantry for the next 34 years, love teaching.
00:01:43Yeah, because I would have been aware that around then as well you were at kind of peak physical fitness
00:01:48around that stage of your life.
00:01:50And you would also have been, and I would know from having Colm O'Rourke as my geography teacher,
00:01:55that there was a kind of, you had status in the community. Do you ever kind of think that, Jizz,
00:02:03I kind of peaked there as a human being
00:02:06or in terms of life experience or in terms of what people were giving me? And do you miss that
00:02:13or is that just...
00:02:14See, I, like, because we were a J player, that's your pastime, that's your pursuit.
00:02:19So, like, I had lots of careers in my 70 years or 50 years. So, I've, like I said, I've
00:02:25written,
00:02:26I've been writing for the Sunday World in the Irish Independent for 35 years.
00:02:30I worked in, I was a teacher for 35 years. I was behind the bar, I was born in Reardon
00:02:37in a rural pub.
00:02:39I was behind the bar counter for 40-something years. And I worked on the Sunday game here at Narty
00:02:44for 30 years.
00:02:45So, I had such a different, I had so many different careers that A, I was never getting bored and
00:02:50B, like,
00:02:51if there's one thing about all those jobs, there was such a common denominator in the sense that
00:02:57every one of those jobs you were on stage, if you know what I mean.
00:02:59Totally.
00:03:00You were performing. So, when you went down behind the bar, I went down behind the bar counter from five
00:03:05years of age
00:03:05because my father died young and my mother had to get us working.
00:03:08So, I was behind the bar counter from five to 50 years of age. And you have to be performing,
00:03:14you have to be nice to people
00:03:14and you're consoling and you're the, you know, you're the council or whatever like that.
00:03:18When you went into class to teach, A, you had to be prepared and B, you had to be in
00:03:22good form or whatever like that.
00:03:24Same with the G, when you were playing with Kerry, you were on a high stage, you were being watched.
00:03:29And no different with the Sunday game, you went into living room for 30 years.
00:03:35And so, you know, it's only since I retired and particularly in the last couple of years that I like,
00:03:40I like my own company.
00:03:43I like being on my own watching sport, not talking to people, not performing, not having to be nice,
00:03:51not having to be a listener, just being myself.
00:03:53Yeah.
00:03:55Something really interesting happened there, Pat, when you were talking.
00:03:58You were flying for a long time and then it's almost like you hesitated in a, when you were about
00:04:06to say, I like being on my own.
00:04:07Well.
00:04:08How was that?
00:04:09I, like I said, I was on that stage for 55 years and I like, I like the company of
00:04:15myself a lot of time.
00:04:16I like just with a newspaper, sport and TV, sport is my vacuum, sport is my escape reality, from reality.
00:04:23I love watching sport.
00:04:24I will watch sport, Tommy, on a bad day, I will watch eight to ten hours of sport.
00:04:29But you know, Tommy, like there was two things that probably in my life that probably defined me.
00:04:33My mother, sorry, my father died when I was eight and my mother was left to rear four kids.
00:04:39Not alone did she have to rear four kids, but she had to run a bar, run a grocery shop
00:04:43and operate a petrol pump.
00:04:45And she did that on her own for 40 years.
00:04:49And she reared us as well at the same time.
00:04:51And in those years, in the 60s and 70s, there was no widows pinching down nothing.
00:04:56She worked hard.
00:04:57She sacrificed her life for us.
00:04:59But the one thing she instilled into me was that value for hard work.
00:05:02And I was never gifted as a footballer.
00:05:04I was never gifted in school, but I was a fucking hard worker.
00:05:07I worked hard.
00:05:08I slogged.
00:05:09I got to the top of each profession that I was at through pure hard work.
00:05:12Can I ask you, are you, compared to your, in terms of brothers and sisters, what's the spread?
00:05:21Three boys and a girl.
00:05:22Three boys and a girl.
00:05:23And from that bar in Kerry, 19 All-Adden Cena football medals.
00:05:28It's the most by any family.
00:05:30And it's something we're very proud of.
00:05:31Like, the most amazing thing was, like, my mother sacrificed everything.
00:05:34She never ever saw us play football.
00:05:36Never in our life.
00:05:37Except on television when we played with Kerry in the All-Adden semi-final and final.
00:05:41Are you different to your sister and brothers?
00:05:46Yeah, I'd have been the most driven.
00:05:49I'd have been the most focused.
00:05:51We'd be different personalities.
00:05:52We're a very close family, still to this day, very, very close.
00:05:56On the field?
00:05:56Oh, jeez, we were awful.
00:05:58I was desperate on the field.
00:05:59You look at, you know, what was I like on the field?
00:06:03A ferocious competitor.
00:06:05I wasn't skilful.
00:06:06The David Cliffords and the Goochers have more skill in their small tour than I did.
00:06:10But what I had was, I walked hard.
00:06:12I walked hard.
00:06:13I had an engine.
00:06:14So what do you do with an engine?
00:06:15You run and you run.
00:06:16I did Forrest Gump.
00:06:17You run and you run.
00:06:18You get faster.
00:06:19You get fitter.
00:06:20You build up more stamina.
00:06:21I walked my ass off.
00:06:22And the second thing was kicking.
00:06:24I kicked and I kicked and I kicked and I kicked.
00:06:26And I kicked two, three hours a day.
00:06:28And then my whole world came tumbling down in 1982.
00:06:32I ruptured my ACL, anterior cruciate ligament.
00:06:35And in 1982, it'll tell you the advances of sports medicine.
00:06:381982, when you ruptured your ACL, that was it.
00:06:41I still remember the night in the CUH in Cork, the specialist came in and I said,
00:06:47well, what's the story?
00:06:48He said, you've ruptured her anterior cruciate ligament.
00:06:50I said, is that serious?
00:06:51He said, you'll never play football again.
00:06:53For a 27-year-old Tommy, like for a footballer, for my life was involved around football.
00:06:58I thought that was the end of the world.
00:07:01And I vowed, I'd find out, could I play?
00:07:05Could I come back?
00:07:06And I went, I found out a guy, it was a guy just after returning, an orthopedic surgeon,
00:07:11had returned from Colorado, a guy called David Dandy.
00:07:14And bear in mind that Colorado is the skiing capital of North America and he would have been an expert
00:07:19on knees.
00:07:20And I made contact, paid most of the way over, paid most of my fees to go over to get
00:07:26Dandy to operate on me.
00:07:28But like, I went man-eat then, Tommy.
00:07:31I mean, there is no person who drove their body through what I did for a couple of years.
00:07:36I trained 12.
00:07:37Like, I had five All-Arden medals in my pocket.
00:07:39I had six All-Stars.
00:07:41I didn't need to achieve anything, but I wanted to achieve.
00:07:43I wanted to show, jeez, I can come back playing football again.
00:07:46I can win All-Arden.
00:07:47I can deliver.
00:07:48Even though no one thought I would.
00:07:49And it was a hard route.
00:07:51And like, I do wild and wacky things.
00:07:54I run around the field, Timpano field, 40 laps with 10 pound weights turned around my ankles.
00:08:00And I built my legs up to be the strongest legs.
00:08:02I really did.
00:08:03And the week before I played the All-Arden final in 1984, when I made my comeback, my resting pulse
00:08:09rate on the Monday was 34.
00:08:10The winner of the Olympic marathon the same year had a 34 resting pulse rate.
00:08:15That was Lopez of Portugal.
00:08:17So that was the manic that drove me because I wanted to come back and I wanted to prove people
00:08:21wrong.
00:08:22What are you afraid of?
00:08:24Can you remember back then what you were afraid of?
00:08:26I was afraid of death because my father died so young.
00:08:30My father was a selector with Kerry in 1964.
00:08:35The night before the All-Arden final, he got a slight heart attack.
00:08:39They wanted him to go to hospital, but my father wouldn't go to hospital.
00:08:42He said, no, I want to be with the team tomorrow in Crow Park.
00:08:46And he was with the team in Crow Park the following day.
00:08:49Galway beat Kerry in the 64 All-Arden.
00:08:51Came home from Dublin the Monday night and he died in bed.
00:08:56And when you were an eight-year-old, eight-year-olds weren't brought to funerals in the 60s.
00:09:02And we went to the neighbours and I still, I can still think in my neighbours standing up on the
00:09:07rock,
00:09:08overlooking Timpernall Church and listening to the sound of the church bells for my father's funeral.
00:09:16And I'd love to have been, like, no different to my mother, but with my father, who was a J
00:09:22-man, I'd love to have,
00:09:23oh, if he was there for us with the All-Arden's, I'd say, oh, wouldn't it be brilliant?
00:09:27And there's all the strange things that happen to you.
00:09:30Like, in the weeks after, I probably for the first time grieved because you don't grieve when you're an eight
00:09:36-year-old kid.
00:09:38But I know he'd have been so proud, so anyway.
00:09:40Do you talk to him?
00:09:42I, I, yeah, I, I, I, I do, yeah, I do.
00:09:45Funny enough, even when my, I do.
00:09:48It's funny enough, Tommy, you know, when I come on to this programme today and I said,
00:09:53look, when, when, when your lovely Aisling rang me to say, would you come on the show?
00:09:58I was on my six-pint legger in Seville, you know, and it sounded like a great idea, you know.
00:10:04Oh, Jesus, not a bother at all.
00:10:05I can tell you this now, without fear of contradiction, like, everything I've done in life,
00:10:10whether it is going to an All-Arden final, appearing on the late, late show, I'm prepared.
00:10:15Because I live by the mantra, fail to prepare, prepared to fail, you know.
00:10:19Is that what's happening?
00:10:20Yeah, this is, this is the first time I'm, I'm sort of not able to control the controllables, so.
00:10:25So, so, but one thing I did reflect on was, I reflected a lot in the last couple of days,
00:10:30on myself, on my, on my personality.
00:10:34Do I, do I talk to my father? Yeah.
00:10:36Do I talk to my mother? Yeah.
00:10:38And I find lately, in the last, I'm inclined to admit things, to things that I'd never admit to before.
00:10:45I didn't pretend.
00:10:47Like, I pray, I pray every morning, I pray every night, pray several times during the day.
00:10:52I'm blessed with health, I'm blessed with a beautiful wife, blessed with a beautiful family.
00:10:57And I go to mass once a week.
00:10:59But, but since COVID, I start to go to a lot of the, the online masses.
00:11:03And I start to become good at, where's the good mass and where's the bad mass, you know.
00:11:07Like, I figured out the big towns have the fuckin' young, the young go-ahead canon that is, he's on
00:11:15the way up and he gives long sermons.
00:11:16So, I tend to avoid big towns and cathedrals, right.
00:11:20And, and, and I go to places like, I swear to God, random places.
00:11:23So, Clonmany in Dunygal.
00:11:25Oh yeah.
00:11:26Does a nice morning mass, it's about 20 minutes.
00:11:29Er.
00:11:30St Brendan's Church in Tralees, another one.
00:11:32And Father Liam in Sneem.
00:11:34They're my morning masses and I go.
00:11:36And then, can mayor, Sunday, but.
00:11:39So, the other one on Sundays, like.
00:11:40Rat Cormack in County Sligo.
00:11:42There's a lovely old priest.
00:11:43And he does a lovely sermon and a lovely.
00:11:45And I start to like being on my own, because there's no one looking at me.
00:11:48Do you know.
00:11:48Where do you watch them?
00:11:49At least, I watch them on my own in the living room.
00:11:51And I find.
00:11:52But yes, the.
00:11:53Because I'm coming up here and the power of prayer.
00:11:55And do you know, I want everything to work out right.
00:11:57And I want God on my side for this gig.
00:12:00And it may be more than him even.
00:12:01But I said, I have to do my exercise.
00:12:04Look, my knees are bench exercises.
00:12:06But I can do an exercise bike.
00:12:07But.
00:12:08So right.
00:12:09I have to do.
00:12:09I'm heading to Dublin for the Tommy Tiernan show.
00:12:11So I must do exercise.
00:12:13Well, Jesus.
00:12:14It's important.
00:12:14I think I should pray as well.
00:12:16So I did for the first time ever yesterday.
00:12:19I did my exercise.
00:12:20My 35 minutes exercise bike.
00:12:22And I had my.
00:12:23The mass on the laptop.
00:12:25On the iPad in front.
00:12:26And.
00:12:26And Rosalie came home.
00:12:28And I said.
00:12:28What did you do?
00:12:29I said.
00:12:30I said.
00:12:30Well, I did my training.
00:12:31And I got mass as well.
00:12:32And she said.
00:12:33That's.
00:12:34That's not the same thing.
00:12:35That's not.
00:12:36And I said.
00:12:37Like.
00:12:37She would have to sit the mass.
00:12:38And I said.
00:12:38Well, the only difference between you and me.
00:12:40Was that.
00:12:40My legs were moving.
00:12:41And yours weren't.
00:12:42And I saw.
00:12:43Like.
00:12:43My mother.
00:12:44Like.
00:12:44There was a lot of mercy in her soul.
00:12:46The one thing.
00:12:48The one thing.
00:12:49We never left.
00:12:50The home.
00:12:52Going to a match.
00:12:53Going to an Ireland final.
00:12:55The holy water.
00:12:57And the holy water.
00:12:58Had to be in every boot.
00:12:59On the laces.
00:13:00The tongue.
00:13:01The socks.
00:13:02The knee bandage.
00:13:03The togs.
00:13:04Every part of the body.
00:13:05We never.
00:13:06Left the house.
00:13:07Without the holy water.
00:13:08And.
00:13:09Like.
00:13:09If I'm only going out to the garage.
00:13:10To get two cans of beer.
00:13:12Like.
00:13:13I.
00:13:13I bless myself.
00:13:14Take the holy water.
00:13:15It's.
00:13:15It's a habit.
00:13:16And.
00:13:16Yeah.
00:13:17Where.
00:13:17Where do you think that you've failed?
00:13:23A very good question.
00:13:27Never learned to cook.
00:13:28Never learned to wash.
00:13:31Never learned to change nappies.
00:13:34So.
00:13:34As a.
00:13:35Not good at that.
00:13:36Not good at those departments.
00:13:39Never.
00:13:40Went.
00:13:40Clothes shopping.
00:13:41For a hundred years.
00:13:43Wouldn't have been the best.
00:13:44Like.
00:13:45Football.
00:13:46Like.
00:13:46I.
00:13:47I played.
00:13:48Football.
00:13:49With Kerry.
00:13:49For 17 years.
00:13:50I mean.
00:13:51It's so focused.
00:13:52So selfish.
00:13:53Um.
00:13:54So much in the zone.
00:13:56Like.
00:13:56Lord and mercy.
00:13:57My mother.
00:13:57Like I said.
00:13:58There was three boys playing in the Kerry team.
00:14:00And she'd leave her sleep in bed till one o'clock in the day.
00:14:03So that her little three boys.
00:14:04Could have 13 hours sleep.
00:14:06While my mother slaved in the bar.
00:14:09And.
00:14:09I know when.
00:14:12When.
00:14:12I met Rosari.
00:14:16She couldn't believe how.
00:14:17Like.
00:14:17I was the most.
00:14:18Driven.
00:14:19Focused.
00:14:20Selfish.
00:14:20Self-censored person in the world.
00:14:22Because.
00:14:22Football was my life.
00:14:24And everything revolved around the match next Sunday.
00:14:26Like.
00:14:27A mere thing like giving Rosari a kiss when we were on a date.
00:14:31I felt.
00:14:31After leaving my comfort zone.
00:14:34This is.
00:14:34Don't know.
00:14:35This.
00:14:35And I always remember.
00:14:37Like we couldn't go on dates.
00:14:38Because no.
00:14:39I'm in the zone.
00:14:40I can't drink.
00:14:41I'm in the zone.
00:14:41I'm training.
00:14:42I'm training.
00:14:43And I always remember we were going to get.
00:14:44We were getting engaged.
00:14:45And we were getting engaged on Monday in Dublin.
00:14:47And.
00:14:48It was the day after.
00:14:49And once the final.
00:14:51Kerry versus Cork.
00:14:52Okay.
00:14:53Right.
00:14:53So everything is fine.
00:14:54It's good to have the details.
00:14:55Oh jeez.
00:14:56I'll tell you what.
00:14:56Okay.
00:14:57Doomsday scenario.
00:14:58But doomsday scenario.
00:15:00What happens in the Kerry-Cork match?
00:15:01It's a fecking draw.
00:15:03Oh jeez.
00:15:03And I said.
00:15:04Do you know Rosary.
00:15:06Erm.
00:15:07I think tomorrow.
00:15:08The replay is next Sunday.
00:15:10And.
00:15:11Look.
00:15:11I just.
00:15:12I don't think we can.
00:15:13Look.
00:15:13I can't because.
00:15:17All right.
00:15:18We'll go ahead with this.
00:15:18And do you know.
00:15:19I came to Dublin.
00:15:21We bought the engagement ring.
00:15:23I went to.
00:15:24We put the ring on her in the Westbury.
00:15:27I think.
00:15:27I drank 10 pints of club orange.
00:15:29Do you know.
00:15:31This should be one of the greatest days of my life.
00:15:33To celebrate.
00:15:34But I was on the drive.
00:15:35Because the match was.
00:15:36But I just felt.
00:15:36I did an awful game.
00:15:37The following Sunday.
00:15:38And I'm sort of blaming Rosary.
00:15:40It's your fault Rosary.
00:15:41Because.
00:15:42I'm after.
00:15:42I was in the zone.
00:15:43You take me out of the zone.
00:15:44That was it.
00:15:45And like.
00:15:45Okay.
00:15:46I know.
00:15:47I never won another All-Aaron medal.
00:15:48After I married her.
00:15:49But sure.
00:15:50Look.
00:15:50I won horse.
00:15:51I can't.
00:15:52Is there a point.
00:15:53When you're getting older.
00:15:54That you stop.
00:15:57Thinking.
00:15:57About dying.
00:15:58And when you kind of go.
00:15:59Look.
00:15:59It'll happen when it happens.
00:16:00You know.
00:16:01A couple of weeks ago.
00:16:02The chairman of the GA club.
00:16:05Rang me up.
00:16:05And he said.
00:16:06We'd like to offer you.
00:16:07To make you.
00:16:08A life.
00:16:08President of the club.
00:16:10And I sort of said.
00:16:11That's for old fellas.
00:16:13And then my wife said.
00:16:15She you're old.
00:16:16And I said.
00:16:16Geez I'm 70.
00:16:17I didn't.
00:16:18Do you know.
00:16:19Birthday would mean nothing.
00:16:21But I think.
00:16:22I'm sort of thinking ahead now.
00:16:24And I'm thinking back as well.
00:16:25At the same time.
00:16:26I've had a ball.
00:16:27I've had a blast.
00:16:28God forbid.
00:16:29If the man above beam me up tomorrow morning.
00:16:30I'd be happy.
00:16:31I swear to God.
00:16:33My life is.
00:16:33Don't I can't.
00:16:34Everyone's life.
00:16:35We all have difficulty.
00:16:36But my life has been.
00:16:37Is perfect at the moment.
00:16:38Are there sports events coming up.
00:16:40That you're really looking forward to.
00:16:41I watch everything.
00:16:41The Six Nations rugby.
00:16:43The World Cup and soccer is next year.
00:16:44The GS season started now.
00:16:46I have a son that plays with Sligo.
00:16:48I follow Sligo around all the matches.
00:16:51I'm heading to Sligo on Sunday.
00:16:52We'll stay in Sligo Sunday night.
00:16:54We'll go and say our prayers.
00:16:56And knock on Monday.
00:16:57It's our pilgrimage.
00:16:59Every Sligo match.
00:17:00Knock.
00:17:01Boom, boom, boom.
00:17:02Was there ever.
00:17:03Or is there a part of your brain.
00:17:05That.
00:17:07Questions.
00:17:07Their religion.
00:17:09No.
00:17:10No.
00:17:10I'm a.
00:17:11Like the monkeys.
00:17:12I'm a believer.
00:17:13So what do you believe.
00:17:15I believe that.
00:17:16I'm going to meet all my good friends.
00:17:18And my father and mother again.
00:17:19In some nice place.
00:17:21Valhalla.
00:17:21Or heaven.
00:17:22Or wherever it is like that.
00:17:23I do.
00:17:24I do.
00:17:24We're going to get together again.
00:17:26We're going to have fun.
00:17:28We're going to reminisce.
00:17:30I'm going to be in a happy place.
00:17:33And I'm happy now.
00:17:38Is the belief.
00:17:39Do you need to believe any more than that.
00:17:43No.
00:17:44No.
00:17:45No.
00:17:46No.
00:17:46I don't.
00:17:47I'm just.
00:17:48Maybe I'm a man of simple taste.
00:17:50Maybe I'm a man that's easily persuaded.
00:17:53But.
00:17:54That's me.
00:17:55What does God have to do with that?
00:18:00It's a good question.
00:18:01I've never got into.
00:18:03My level of deep thinking is not very deep.
00:18:06So.
00:18:07I can reach your depths.
00:18:09Tommy.
00:18:09So.
00:18:10It's very superficial.
00:18:11I'm happy.
00:18:12If somebody tells me.
00:18:14You're heading up there.
00:18:15And the gates will be open for you.
00:18:18I'll be there.
00:18:20And there's no way that you won't be let in.
00:18:24Oh jeez.
00:18:24No.
00:18:24I think I'm okay at that.
00:18:27No.
00:18:28I haven't done anything bad.
00:18:30Yeah.
00:18:30As of yet.
00:18:33Lovely.
00:18:34It's been a pleasure talking to you Pat.
00:18:35A pleasure Tommy.
00:18:36Thank you very much.
00:18:37Survived.
00:18:40Thank you very much.
00:18:43Which is not for the beer.
00:18:43No.
00:18:44Oh jeez.
00:18:44Not for the beer.
00:18:49No.
00:18:58Welcome back to the second half everybody.
00:19:00Who's next Freddie?
00:19:02Tommy.
00:19:03Our next guest is.
00:19:05Alana Gillan.
00:19:14Hi Tommy.
00:19:15How are you?
00:19:16Good to meet you now.
00:19:16Sit down there.
00:19:19Ah.
00:19:19First girl I ever kissed was called Alana.
00:19:22So.
00:19:22Oh dear.
00:19:23You're in good company.
00:19:24I don't know if that was a good thing or a bad thing then Tommy.
00:19:27Er.
00:19:28Er.
00:19:28And it's funny.
00:19:29I kind of sense you're from the north.
00:19:31Just.
00:19:32A woman to give it away.
00:19:33No.
00:19:33Before you spoke.
00:19:34Oh really?
00:19:35Yes.
00:19:35Dark hair maybe.
00:19:36Um.
00:19:37Where are you from?
00:19:37And where are you from?
00:19:37What's your story kind of thing?
00:19:39County Antrim.
00:19:40Er.
00:19:40Little place called Ballyclare.
00:19:42Er.
00:19:42And I.
00:19:44Specialise in.
00:19:45Biohazard crime scene and trauma cleaning.
00:19:54I think we can be very nervous.
00:19:57There's no need to be nervous I'm just um.
00:19:59That's.
00:20:00A.
00:20:02Amazing.
00:20:03Thing to be doing.
00:20:04Can you give me an example of.
00:20:07A case or a scene or situation please.
00:20:09Yeah.
00:20:10So.
00:20:10Erm.
00:20:10I would get a call out for.
00:20:12Perhaps a murder.
00:20:14Erm.
00:20:15And I would have to.
00:20:16Pack the van and.
00:20:17Travel and.
00:20:18Come and.
00:20:19Clean up and.
00:20:20Erm.
00:20:21A house or.
00:20:22An area back to.
00:20:24Families.
00:20:25With all traces of.
00:20:26Of.
00:20:27Traumatic event.
00:20:28Gone.
00:20:29So.
00:20:30You.
00:20:31Arrive.
00:20:33After.
00:20:34The body's been taken away.
00:20:35Yes.
00:20:35So.
00:20:36Body has been taken.
00:20:38Erm.
00:20:39Place Garda have been in.
00:20:40Er.
00:20:41Forensics have been in.
00:20:42And.
00:20:43Erm.
00:20:43Then it would probably be.
00:20:45The funeral director.
00:20:46Would give me a call.
00:20:48And say.
00:20:48We're ready to have.
00:20:49This cleaned now.
00:20:50And I'll make my way.
00:20:52And I'll.
00:20:52Do my very best.
00:20:53To.
00:20:53To take away all.
00:20:55Visual trauma.
00:20:56And.
00:20:56Put things back.
00:20:57In.
00:20:57Right places.
00:20:58And.
00:20:59Hand it back to the family.
00:21:01As best I can.
00:21:01To.
00:21:02Minimize the trauma for them.
00:21:04To then be able to return to the.
00:21:05The house.
00:21:06Or.
00:21:07Or whatever it might be.
00:21:08Do you.
00:21:08Do you do it on your own?
00:21:10Most of the time.
00:21:11Yes.
00:21:12Erm.
00:21:14I can.
00:21:15I can make sure that.
00:21:16You know.
00:21:16That I have went through everything.
00:21:18I have.
00:21:19Combed everything.
00:21:19And made sure that.
00:21:20All traces of.
00:21:23Hazardous.
00:21:24And do you do.
00:21:25Normal cleaning up as well?
00:21:26I do.
00:21:27I do.
00:21:28Don't clean my own house mind you.
00:21:30But yes.
00:21:30Erm.
00:21:31I used to.
00:21:31Erm.
00:21:32I used to do domestic cleaning.
00:21:33And.
00:21:33I feel there's people around the country going.
00:21:34Oh.
00:21:34Must get her around now.
00:21:36Places in a stage.
00:21:37How do you clean this?
00:21:38How do you clean that?
00:21:39Erm.
00:21:39So.
00:21:40How did you end up doing it?
00:21:41So.
00:21:42It started in.
00:21:43In 2012.
00:21:44Erm.
00:21:44I had.
00:21:45Got.
00:21:46I'd lost my job.
00:21:47In a cafe.
00:21:48I'd been in hospitality for.
00:21:50Erm.
00:21:50About ten years at that point.
00:21:52And I'd made an off the cuff remark.
00:21:53That I was going to start.
00:21:54A cleaning business.
00:21:55Erm.
00:21:56Because it was the only thing I was good at.
00:21:58Erm.
00:21:59And that escalated.
00:22:00I became very good at.
00:22:02Domestic cleaning.
00:22:02Commercial cleaning.
00:22:03And I.
00:22:04I got a.
00:22:05Sort of.
00:22:05Bit of a reputation for.
00:22:07Cleaning the weird and the wonderful.
00:22:08Erm.
00:22:08I had.
00:22:09A friend who owned.
00:22:10An estate agent.
00:22:12And some of the.
00:22:13The things that were.
00:22:14Left behind were.
00:22:15Okay.
00:22:16Incredible.
00:22:17Erm.
00:22:17And I decided.
00:22:18In 2017.
00:22:20That.
00:22:21I might change direction.
00:22:22Or do something.
00:22:23Completely different.
00:22:24Wow.
00:22:25And I picked up a book.
00:22:27Called.
00:22:27The cleaner.
00:22:28And.
00:22:29The trauma cleaner.
00:22:30And it was.
00:22:30Sandra Pankhurst.
00:22:31And she was an Australian lady.
00:22:33Who.
00:22:34Developed.
00:22:35A company.
00:22:36Specialising in.
00:22:36Crime scene cleaning.
00:22:37And that was my light bulb moment.
00:22:41When you go into.
00:22:42Erm.
00:22:42A house after somebody's been killed.
00:22:44Do you need to know the story.
00:22:45Of what's happened?
00:22:46Not necessarily.
00:22:48Erm.
00:22:48I'll probably be given a brief.
00:22:50Erm.
00:22:51Sometimes.
00:22:52I.
00:22:53I think it's easier if you don't know.
00:22:54The full story.
00:22:56Erm.
00:22:57Because you might get.
00:22:58Attached.
00:22:59Or.
00:22:59You know.
00:22:59It might make you.
00:23:01A bit more aware of.
00:23:02Or emotional.
00:23:03In.
00:23:04Places.
00:23:04But in other cases.
00:23:06It's good to know the story.
00:23:07Because.
00:23:08You're going to be.
00:23:08Right.
00:23:08I'm looking for a specific thing here.
00:23:10Or this is going to be.
00:23:11In a certain area.
00:23:12But it could be somewhere else.
00:23:13And.
00:23:14You know.
00:23:14There's.
00:23:14There's a lot more to look at.
00:23:16Than just.
00:23:16Or also.
00:23:17That.
00:23:18The.
00:23:18Assault.
00:23:19That.
00:23:20Took.
00:23:21Place.
00:23:21In several rooms.
00:23:23Or.
00:23:23Something like that.
00:23:24And.
00:23:24Just to know.
00:23:25Yeah.
00:23:25So.
00:23:25We've.
00:23:26We've had cases.
00:23:27Of that there.
00:23:28You know.
00:23:28Where.
00:23:28They've maybe.
00:23:29Thought.
00:23:29It's just been in.
00:23:30One particular area.
00:23:31And then.
00:23:32We've sort of.
00:23:33Done a sweep.
00:23:33And actually.
00:23:34There's.
00:23:35There's other things.
00:23:35In other rooms.
00:23:37So.
00:23:38I mean.
00:23:39I'm aware as well.
00:23:40That there might be people.
00:23:41Watching.
00:23:41Whose.
00:23:42Houses.
00:23:42You've cleaned.
00:23:43Because.
00:23:44Someone they've.
00:23:44Loved.
00:23:45Has been killed.
00:23:45So.
00:23:48I.
00:23:50Want to ask you.
00:23:54What kind of stuff.
00:23:56Do you.
00:23:57Have to deal with.
00:23:58Like what.
00:23:59Kind of.
00:24:00Stains.
00:24:01Or fluids.
00:24:01Or marks.
00:24:02For.
00:24:03Um.
00:24:04So.
00:24:05One particular.
00:24:06Incident.
00:24:07Does always pop up.
00:24:08Um.
00:24:08In my memory.
00:24:09Um.
00:24:10And it's.
00:24:10Of a suicide.
00:24:11Um.
00:24:12And it was the young man.
00:24:13Who took his own life.
00:24:15And.
00:24:15There was.
00:24:16A lot of blood.
00:24:17And that will always stick in my mind.
00:24:19Of the one.
00:24:21Probably the most horrendous scene.
00:24:23That.
00:24:23That I've ever had to clean up.
00:24:24And.
00:24:25Um.
00:24:26It just.
00:24:27It took all of my might.
00:24:28As a mother as well.
00:24:29Obviously.
00:24:30You're.
00:24:30You're very aware of.
00:24:31This is someone's young son.
00:24:33Um.
00:24:34And.
00:24:34The.
00:24:35The sense of.
00:24:36I am a mummy.
00:24:37I want to make this right.
00:24:38I want to take this away.
00:24:39For.
00:24:40For this poor woman.
00:24:41You know.
00:24:42And.
00:24:42And you're.
00:24:43Carrying things out of the house.
00:24:45And.
00:24:45You're trying to be as discreet as possible.
00:24:47Um.
00:24:47You're.
00:24:48Changing out of.
00:24:49You know.
00:24:49Bloodstained forensic suits.
00:24:51To.
00:24:51To kind of go out into the street.
00:24:53To.
00:24:53To fill the van.
00:24:54You know.
00:24:54So.
00:24:54The.
00:24:55Nosy neighbours.
00:24:57Are.
00:24:57You know.
00:24:57You're trying to give them as much dignity there as possible.
00:25:01Um.
00:25:01But trying to be professional.
00:25:03And.
00:25:03And.
00:25:04Make sure that you're.
00:25:04Not messing up.
00:25:05At the same time.
00:25:06It's.
00:25:06You know.
00:25:07It's.
00:25:07A lot of pressure as well.
00:25:08But.
00:25:08I think whenever.
00:25:10I open that toolbox.
00:25:12And that forensics.
00:25:12It goes on.
00:25:24It's a.
00:25:25It's a.
00:25:26It's a.
00:25:39It's a different mindset.
00:25:42Um.
00:25:42And.
00:25:43And.
00:25:43And clean that up.
00:25:44Or.
00:25:44To help put the house back to normal.
00:25:46Because they really shouldn't be dealing with it.
00:25:48There's so much other trauma to deal with.
00:25:50And.
00:25:51To.
00:25:51To physically.
00:25:52Mop up.
00:25:53The remains of someone.
00:25:55So.
00:25:55I imagine.
00:25:56That.
00:25:57People.
00:25:57Did.
00:25:58Have to do that.
00:25:59Before.
00:26:00Yeah.
00:26:00So.
00:26:00I.
00:26:01I think.
00:26:01I've had this conversation recently.
00:26:03I think.
00:26:03Ireland as a whole.
00:26:04Um.
00:26:05There's still a lot of stigma.
00:26:06Around.
00:26:07Death.
00:26:07Especially the likes of suicide.
00:26:09And things where.
00:26:10People carry this sense of shame about it.
00:26:12And.
00:26:13It's.
00:26:13Oh.
00:26:13You know.
00:26:14We don't want to say to anybody.
00:26:15We don't want to.
00:26:16Burden anybody with that.
00:26:17We'll just deal with it ourselves.
00:26:19But that also can.
00:26:20Bring hazardous.
00:26:22Waste into people's houses.
00:26:23Or they can be handling it wrong.
00:26:25They can be getting rid of that wrong as well.
00:26:27Which could potentially harm someone else.
00:26:29Down the line as well.
00:26:30You know.
00:26:30If you've.
00:26:31Throwing a bag of.
00:26:32Rubbish in the bin.
00:26:34You know.
00:26:34Think of all the places that.
00:26:35That has to go.
00:26:36And all the people.
00:26:37That has to touch that.
00:26:38And.
00:26:38If you've got.
00:26:39I don't know.
00:26:40Decomposing.
00:26:41Body fluids in that.
00:26:43Or.
00:26:45Died on the sofa.
00:26:46And.
00:26:47Melted through the sofa.
00:26:48But we just.
00:26:48Chucked it in the skip.
00:26:50You know.
00:26:50It's.
00:26:51People want to do it themselves.
00:26:53You say melted through the sofa.
00:26:55Sorry.
00:26:55What does that mean?
00:26:57So.
00:26:58Whenever.
00:26:59Whenever.
00:27:01Whenever you die.
00:27:01You.
00:27:02You release.
00:27:03With.
00:27:33Fluids.
00:27:33You can.
00:27:38It's.
00:28:02Not very pleasant.
00:28:03That will always be the case.
00:28:04You look up.
00:28:05And it's.
00:28:05It's on the ceiling.
00:28:06You know.
00:28:07It's on the skirting boards.
00:28:08It's underneath things.
00:28:09Or.
00:28:10A particular case.
00:28:11Where.
00:28:12A lady.
00:28:12Was.
00:28:13Was.
00:28:13Britley attacked in her home.
00:28:15It was.
00:28:15A case of domestic violence.
00:28:17And the wardrobe door was open.
00:28:18So.
00:28:19Whenever I went into her room.
00:28:21All of her clothes.
00:28:22Had been.
00:28:22Splashed in blood.
00:28:24So.
00:28:24They all had to be.
00:28:26Removed.
00:28:28Um.
00:28:28Where's your.
00:28:29Area of work.
00:28:31In terms of.
00:28:31The whole.
00:28:32The whole island.
00:28:33From the very top.
00:28:34To the very bottom.
00:28:35If you ring me.
00:28:36I'll be there.
00:28:38It's.
00:28:38If I can get the van there.
00:28:40I'll be there.
00:28:40How much of the work.
00:28:42Is got to do.
00:28:43With.
00:28:43The aftermath.
00:28:44Of death.
00:28:45So.
00:28:46I would say.
00:28:46About.
00:28:4750% of my work.
00:28:49Is.
00:28:50Death cleaning.
00:28:51And.
00:28:51The rest of it would be.
00:28:53Biohazard.
00:28:53And trauma cleaning.
00:28:54And hoarding disorders.
00:28:55So.
00:28:56I.
00:28:56Very rarely clean.
00:28:58Like.
00:28:58Domestic houses.
00:28:59If they're not.
00:29:00In one of those categories.
00:29:01If they're not.
00:29:02Extreme cleaning.
00:29:03So.
00:29:04Can you tell me.
00:29:05What you mean.
00:29:05When you say.
00:29:06Biohazard.
00:29:06And trauma cleaning.
00:29:08Yeah.
00:29:08So.
00:29:08Biohazard.
00:29:09Would be.
00:29:10The.
00:29:17Could be.
00:29:18Pigeons.
00:29:19We could have.
00:29:20Hypodermic needles.
00:29:21You know.
00:29:21I could go into.
00:29:22Is this like.
00:29:22In a squat.
00:29:23Or something.
00:29:24Yeah.
00:29:24Or.
00:29:25They could just be.
00:29:26Normal houses.
00:29:27That doesn't necessarily mean.
00:29:28That.
00:29:28You know.
00:29:29There's.
00:29:29People.
00:29:29People.
00:29:30Squatting in them.
00:29:31Or.
00:29:31People live in these situations.
00:29:33And.
00:29:34And.
00:29:35They need a lot of help.
00:29:36And.
00:29:36That.
00:29:37Falls into.
00:29:38The hoarding disorders as well.
00:29:40Into.
00:29:41That.
00:29:41Overwhelming living conditions.
00:29:43Those self neglect situations.
00:29:44Where people are.
00:29:45Living in squat.
00:29:46And squalor.
00:29:47And.
00:29:47Sometimes that means.
00:29:48The.
00:29:49The rubbish in the house is.
00:29:51To the ceiling.
00:29:52And.
00:29:52They've been.
00:29:53Crawling through it.
00:29:54Or.
00:29:54There's.
00:29:55The water has stopped working.
00:29:56Or.
00:29:56The.
00:29:56The toilets are completely filled.
00:29:58And.
00:29:58The bathroom is now filling up.
00:30:00And that's now filling up.
00:30:01In the bedroom.
00:30:03And I'll go in.
00:30:03And I'll clean all of that.
00:30:04And make that right.
00:30:06And what do you think.
00:30:07When you walk into a place.
00:30:08And you see.
00:30:09Something like that.
00:30:10Like an overflowing toilet.
00:30:11And.
00:30:12All that.
00:30:12Like what.
00:30:13Is it.
00:30:17Most of us will go.
00:30:18Ah.
00:30:18Jesus.
00:30:19But do you go.
00:30:20Okay.
00:30:21Is it.
00:30:23Are you that practical?
00:30:24Yeah.
00:30:25So.
00:30:25I will literally go.
00:30:27All right.
00:30:27Okay.
00:30:27I'm going to need.
00:30:28And go out to the van.
00:30:30And get bits and pieces.
00:30:31And if I think I can brave it.
00:30:32Without the face mask.
00:30:33And the Vicks.
00:30:34I'll do that.
00:30:36Um.
00:30:36But yeah.
00:30:37It's.
00:30:37It's.
00:30:38I have been doing it for so long.
00:30:39And I enjoy doing it so much.
00:30:41There.
00:30:41There's not an ounce of me.
00:30:42That has ever walked into someone's house.
00:30:44And thought.
00:30:45Ah.
00:30:45Like what are they.
00:30:46What have they done this for.
00:30:47Or how could they live like this.
00:30:48I don't ask those questions.
00:30:50I know the.
00:30:51The story.
00:30:51I know.
00:30:52The sort of the mental.
00:30:54Health side of things.
00:30:55And the physical side of things.
00:30:57Um.
00:30:58And just.
00:30:59You know.
00:30:59People just get overwhelmed.
00:31:01If you have a cold.
00:31:02Or a cough.
00:31:03The last thing you want to do.
00:31:04Is clean your house.
00:31:05But if your brain gets sick.
00:31:07And it's sick for a very very long time.
00:31:09Those things mount up.
00:31:10And then.
00:31:11Inside you.
00:31:13Something's telling you.
00:31:13Well sure.
00:31:14You don't deserve to have a clean house.
00:31:15You don't deserve to have this.
00:31:17So we'll just keep building up.
00:31:18And building up.
00:31:19And then before you know it.
00:31:20You don't know where to start.
00:31:21And you don't know how to.
00:31:22So you hide yourself away.
00:31:24You hide everybody else away.
00:31:26You isolate yourself.
00:31:27And it's all because.
00:31:28There's something going on in your house.
00:31:30That you don't want anybody else to see.
00:31:32Um.
00:31:36The.
00:31:37The crime scene places.
00:31:39Mm-hmm.
00:31:40Are there many?
00:31:41There are.
00:31:42Unfortunately.
00:31:43Domestic violence is.
00:31:45Out of control.
00:31:47It's.
00:31:47And it's causing.
00:31:49A lot of damage.
00:31:49A lot of people.
00:31:50In lives.
00:31:52Do you ever.
00:31:54Have to.
00:31:55Clean a house.
00:31:57Because of an assault.
00:31:58That hasn't resulted in death.
00:32:00And.
00:32:01The.
00:32:02Person moves back in.
00:32:03Yes.
00:32:05Unfortunately.
00:32:06Um.
00:32:06And.
00:32:07There has been cases.
00:32:08Where.
00:32:08I have been called out.
00:32:09To the same property.
00:32:10On several occasions.
00:32:12Which.
00:32:13Is.
00:32:15Traumatic.
00:32:16Who's asking for that place to be cleaned?
00:32:18That.
00:32:19In that case.
00:32:19It's been family.
00:32:22What are the saddest things.
00:32:23That you've ever seen?
00:32:25Oh.
00:32:26Definitely.
00:32:27Um.
00:32:28Like.
00:32:29Older people.
00:32:30Dying by themselves.
00:32:31Um.
00:32:33And.
00:32:33Not being found.
00:32:34Whether or not having family.
00:32:36Or.
00:32:37Just.
00:32:38Not.
00:32:38Having close.
00:32:40Relationships.
00:32:40With people.
00:32:41And.
00:32:41And that's not for me to judge.
00:32:43And that's not for me to say.
00:32:44Oh.
00:32:44You have.
00:32:44You know.
00:32:45You should have been there.
00:32:46And.
00:32:46And things like that there.
00:32:47Because.
00:32:48People burn bridges.
00:32:49And.
00:32:49Not every family is a happy family.
00:32:51But I think it's.
00:32:53It's.
00:32:54It's sad.
00:32:54Whenever.
00:32:55Someone.
00:32:56You know.
00:32:56Not necessarily just old people.
00:32:57But.
00:32:58Definitely.
00:32:59When someone dies on their own.
00:33:00And hasn't been found.
00:33:01For.
00:33:02For a long time.
00:33:02You know.
00:33:03It's.
00:33:04What have you done in life.
00:33:05That.
00:33:06Has.
00:33:07Made.
00:33:07That happen.
00:33:08You know.
00:33:09That.
00:33:09Nobody wanted to call and check up on you.
00:33:11Nobody.
00:33:12Was there close enough.
00:33:13To reach out and say.
00:33:14Hey.
00:33:15Haven't heard from you in a few days.
00:33:17You know.
00:33:18Hmm.
00:33:18I think that's incredibly sad.
00:33:20And I have basically reduced someone's entire life.
00:33:24To a few.
00:33:25A few items in a box.
00:33:27You know.
00:33:27Some paperwork.
00:33:28And.
00:33:28A couple of things that I think somebody.
00:33:30Should probably keep.
00:33:32And.
00:33:33Sometimes there's nobody to even.
00:33:34Take that box.
00:33:35I think that's.
00:33:37Sad.
00:33:38There's a whole life.
00:33:39Not lived.
00:33:40Or a whole life there.
00:33:42Lived.
00:33:42Bit early.
00:33:43Enough to.
00:33:44To keep people away.
00:33:46Hmm.
00:33:46I think that's sad.
00:33:48There's been some.
00:33:49Very sad stories.
00:33:50Over the past couple of years.
00:33:51Of.
00:33:52And it seems to have been.
00:33:53Dads.
00:33:53Who have.
00:33:56I.
00:33:59I don't even know how to say it.
00:34:00Killed their children.
00:34:02Um.
00:34:02And then themselves.
00:34:04Uh.
00:34:05And.
00:34:06Often their.
00:34:07Wife or ex-wife as well.
00:34:10Um.
00:34:17How do you go into a house like that.
00:34:19Detached.
00:34:21It's very difficult.
00:34:22It's very difficult.
00:34:24Um.
00:34:25But.
00:34:25Mainly you're there to do a job.
00:34:28And.
00:34:28I have to think about all the other people.
00:34:30That have been there before me.
00:34:32I'm certainly not the first person on the scene.
00:34:34I haven't.
00:34:34You know.
00:34:35I haven't been there to.
00:34:36To see the children.
00:34:37I haven't seen.
00:34:38The.
00:34:39The wife.
00:34:39Um.
00:34:40And everybody's finished.
00:34:41By the time.
00:34:42I'm there.
00:34:43So it's very much the aftermath.
00:34:45And.
00:34:45Perhaps stickers.
00:34:47And.
00:34:47Um.
00:34:47The markings of the forensic team.
00:34:49Um.
00:34:50Are on the walls.
00:34:50And it's that.
00:34:51Professional.
00:34:52Sort of mood kicks in.
00:34:53It's like.
00:34:54Right.
00:34:54I need to get rid of this.
00:34:55I need to make this better.
00:34:57Um.
00:34:57And I'm very fortunate.
00:34:58That I'm not.
00:34:59A frontline worker.
00:35:00That I.
00:35:00That I won't see that.
00:35:02Um.
00:35:03Cause there's.
00:35:03There's people there.
00:35:04That are.
00:35:04Obviously first there.
00:35:06And.
00:35:06It's a lot more traumatic for them.
00:35:08I would say.
00:35:09And you can.
00:35:10You can build your own picture.
00:35:12As you go along.
00:35:13And.
00:35:13And you sort of.
00:35:14You can make wee things up in your head.
00:35:16Or.
00:35:16You can sort of.
00:35:17See.
00:35:18You know.
00:35:19Visually.
00:35:20In.
00:35:20In blood.
00:35:21Or.
00:35:21You know.
00:35:22Things that are broken.
00:35:23And things that are there.
00:35:23And you can sort of.
00:35:24You know.
00:35:26And say.
00:35:26Right.
00:35:26Well.
00:35:26This obviously happened here.
00:35:28Or.
00:35:28You know.
00:35:28They were hiding in here.
00:35:30Or.
00:35:30And I.
00:35:31I do remember.
00:35:32A case where.
00:35:33The lady had to run into a different room.
00:35:36And you could.
00:35:36Her.
00:35:37The print of her arm.
00:35:38Where she was holding the door closed.
00:35:41You know.
00:35:41It's.
00:35:42Terrifying as well.
00:35:43Because as I'm cleaning that off.
00:35:45Standing there in a.
00:35:45In a full forensic suit.
00:35:47And I'm cleaning that off.
00:35:48I'm like.
00:35:48This was the last moments of this lady's life.
00:35:51You know.
00:35:52How.
00:35:52How do I ever make that right?
00:35:53I don't.
00:35:54I can.
00:35:55I can just.
00:35:55Take that bit away.
00:35:57That.
00:35:57They don't see that.
00:35:58That they don't say.
00:36:00This is where she last was.
00:36:05Um.
00:36:07How do you.
00:36:11Detox.
00:36:11It's.
00:36:12It's.
00:36:14It's.
00:36:15It's.
00:36:15Because you don't want to be.
00:36:16And I'm.
00:36:16You're so professional.
00:36:18And you're so.
00:36:19You have to be objective.
00:36:20To be able to do the work.
00:36:22Uh.
00:36:23And.
00:36:24Meticulous.
00:36:25And.
00:36:27Unemotional.
00:36:28Yeah.
00:36:29Um.
00:36:29And that's what people are paying for.
00:36:31And that's what they're very grateful for.
00:36:32No point in hiring somebody who's.
00:36:34Can't do.
00:36:34Because they're in tears.
00:36:35Oh no.
00:36:36I do cry with the people too.
00:36:37I.
00:36:38I give hugs.
00:36:39And I cry.
00:36:39And I listen to the stories.
00:36:41I.
00:36:41I have people.
00:36:42Whenever you go to.
00:36:43Maybe meet a family member.
00:36:45Outside a house.
00:36:45And they're like.
00:36:46Oh.
00:36:46You know.
00:36:46I haven't been in.
00:36:47I don't want to see it.
00:36:48Here's the keys.
00:36:49You know.
00:36:49I'll give you a little briefing stuff.
00:36:50And they want to tell you their story.
00:36:52And I want to listen.
00:36:53And I have cried.
00:36:54And I will cry.
00:36:55And I will certainly give hugs.
00:36:57And I.
00:36:57You know.
00:36:58And.
00:37:00It.
00:37:00It would be very brutal of me.
00:37:02To turn up and go.
00:37:02I don't want to know anything about this.
00:37:03You know.
00:37:04I'm not going to comfort you.
00:37:05In your time of need.
00:37:06I'm here to clean and do a practical job.
00:37:08Mm.
00:37:08But I'm human.
00:37:10And it's.
00:37:10And I'm very soft.
00:37:11And I will definitely cry.
00:37:13And I want to hear the stories.
00:37:14You know.
00:37:14I want to know.
00:37:15How much you loved your brother.
00:37:17And how devastated you are.
00:37:18That.
00:37:19You know.
00:37:19This has happened.
00:37:20And.
00:37:21You know.
00:37:21You're.
00:37:22There's a thing in the house.
00:37:23That you want to see.
00:37:24And you want me to keep a lookout for.
00:37:25And I.
00:37:26And I will go.
00:37:26And I'll get that.
00:37:27And I.
00:37:27I'll keep that for you.
00:37:29And I'll meet up with you afterwards.
00:37:30I'll bring it to your house.
00:37:31And.
00:37:32You know.
00:37:33Who.
00:37:34Is living with you now.
00:37:35In your home house.
00:37:36Uh.
00:37:37Just my daughter's at home.
00:37:38Um.
00:37:38My.
00:37:39My son.
00:37:39He's.
00:37:40Living and working in Scotland.
00:37:41And.
00:37:41My daughter's at university.
00:37:42So.
00:37:43Um.
00:37:45Um.
00:37:46I.
00:37:46I look after my granny quite a lot.
00:37:49Do you clean her house?
00:37:50I do.
00:37:51Of course I do.
00:37:52Um.
00:37:53Yes.
00:37:53I.
00:37:53I used to clean for her every week.
00:37:55But.
00:37:55Only because she used to clean my house every week.
00:37:58Until she wasn't able enough.
00:38:01Um.
00:38:01That was the.
00:38:02That was the ironic thing.
00:38:03That.
00:38:03Whenever I.
00:38:04Started my cleaning business.
00:38:05Cause.
00:38:05My granny was cleaning my house.
00:38:07Two days a week.
00:38:08Who.
00:38:08Who cleans your house now?
00:38:10Oh.
00:38:10Nobody.
00:38:11I need to find a cleaner.
00:38:13Do you know any?
00:38:17Uh.
00:38:18Yes.
00:38:19I'm.
00:38:19Really?
00:38:19Yeah.
00:38:20No one.
00:38:21I'll maybe clean it.
00:38:22I'm one of visitors.
00:38:23I just tend not to have visitors.
00:38:25Mm.
00:38:26It's not the same.
00:38:27It's not the same.
00:38:28I could.
00:38:29I go home and be like.
00:38:30Oh yeah.
00:38:30Right.
00:38:30Okay.
00:38:30I'll give a.
00:38:31Someday.
00:38:33And in.
00:38:3470 years time.
00:38:36They'll come into your house.
00:38:37Someone like you.
00:38:38Come in and go.
00:38:39Jesus.
00:38:40Exactly.
00:38:40Exactly.
00:38:41I'm going to be that crazy cat lady.
00:38:43I'm going to be covered in.
00:38:44You know.
00:38:45All these books.
00:38:46And all this rotten food around me.
00:38:47And I'm just going to throw my apple cores behind me.
00:38:50You'll be setting tests for them.
00:38:51A hundred percent.
00:38:52I'll just be so contentious.
00:38:53I'm not willing to throw out anything.
00:38:55Do whatever you want.
00:38:56You're not getting in.
00:38:56In the bed laughing at them.
00:38:58Yep.
00:38:58Yep.
00:38:59I'll see if I care.
00:39:02Wow.
00:39:04It's amazing work Alana.
00:39:08And thank you for coming on and talking about it.
00:39:10No problem.
00:39:11Thank you very much for having me.
00:39:13It's nice.
00:39:14I won't need you.
00:39:16Do it personally.
00:39:28Welcome back to the third half everybody.
00:39:30Who's next Freddie?
00:39:32Tommy.
00:39:33Our next guest is Mr. Andrew McCarthy.
00:39:40Hello sir.
00:39:42Hello sir.
00:39:42Very very glad to meet you.
00:39:44Hello sir.
00:39:44How are you?
00:39:44Very glad to meet you.
00:39:46Nice to meet you.
00:39:48I saw your face on a bus in Dublin and I thought to myself, he might turn up. How are
00:39:56you?
00:39:56I'm good.
00:39:57How are you?
00:39:58Nice to see you.
00:39:58Very very nice to meet you.
00:40:02You're doing The Crucible.
00:40:03Yes I am.
00:40:05And I thought to myself, wow, if Andrew McCarthy came out, what would I ask him?
00:40:10So I have a load of questions already.
00:40:13We'll start with Molly Ringwald.
00:40:15Yeah.
00:40:16What I'm very curious about is the acting story.
00:40:26And to the, my projection onto you would be that there was this time of super fame and super profile
00:40:38in the, I can't remember when the 80s into the 90s, I don't remember what that time was.
00:40:43And then that you kind of disappeared.
00:40:48And this crucible thing is, I can't remember the last time that I saw your face on something.
00:40:55That's the, that's the outside projection.
00:40:59And I was thinking from the actor's point of view, it's probably just you're always working.
00:41:04You're always doing stuff and some things are high and some things are low and you're not really in control
00:41:09of that.
00:41:09So I'd love to find, I'd love you to tell me that story from your perspective as a working actor.
00:41:16Well, my story might be a little different than you think in that regard, but because I did get so
00:41:22sort of quickly successful when I was young, it altered my life in a way that I was not expecting
00:41:29and or prepared for.
00:41:30And then because, I don't know how much context you want, you know, this thing called the Brat Pack was
00:41:36created in the media that altered how we were, altered how we and I were perceived.
00:41:43You know, it was one of those things where a label was thrown on right away and it altered the
00:41:50trajectory of my career.
00:41:52And it took, I felt like I, when that happened, my hands were taken off the steering wheel and I
00:41:59wasn't in control of what was going on.
00:42:01And I was sort of presented in a certain way, which I felt like, wait a minute, I'm a 22
00:42:06year old kid.
00:42:06I'm just starting to be successful.
00:42:07This is really wonderful and exciting.
00:42:09And now what just happened?
00:42:10Now I'm a part of this thing.
00:42:14Can you talk me through to how it all started?
00:42:18Where did you grow up?
00:42:19I grew up in New Jersey.
00:42:21Okay.
00:42:21And I went to New York University when I was 17 years old.
00:42:24I wanted to be a theater actor.
00:42:25So I went to New Jersey.
00:42:26And so I went to NYU and I went for two years and then I was kicked out of college.
00:42:31For?
00:42:32I didn't go to my classes.
00:42:34I went to my acting classes, but I didn't go to my, you know, my school classes.
00:42:40And, but two weeks later, a friend of mine called me up and said, there's an ad in the newspaper.
00:42:44They're looking for someone 18 vulnerable and sensitive to be the lead in the movie.
00:42:49And I was like, dude.
00:42:52So I went to an open call, which is anyone can go.
00:42:55Right.
00:42:55And I sat in there with 500 other 18 vulnerable and sensitive kids for a couple of hours and waited
00:43:00and walked in.
00:43:01And, you know, 10 auditions later, I was the lead in the movie.
00:43:04It was like winning the lottery.
00:43:05And anyway, so.
00:43:05Which movie was that?
00:43:06It was called Class.
00:43:07And it was not very successful at all.
00:43:09Okay.
00:43:10And anyway, so then I did a couple of movies and then I did a movie called St. Elmo's Fire
00:43:15and then a movie called Pretty in Pink.
00:43:16And those became very successful.
00:43:18Which is the one that was, you were locked in the school overnight?
00:43:21No, that was not me.
00:43:22See, that was, that was The Breakfast Club.
00:43:26Why weren't you in that?
00:43:29Even my kids think I was in that.
00:43:31Really?
00:43:32My 12 year old has never seen me in anything.
00:43:34Because dad, you, one of my classmates saw you in The Breakfast Club.
00:43:36And I go, no, they didn't, sweetheart.
00:43:38Uh, so.
00:43:40Because are you sure, dad?
00:43:42No, I'm pretty sure.
00:43:43Anyway, so these movies all became, you know, they captured a moment in time for people.
00:43:47You know, that was when, it's a long story, I suppose, but, you know, cinema changed kind of overnight.
00:43:52Hollywood realized young people went to movies.
00:43:55And so overnight they began making movies for and about young people.
00:43:59And I happened to be in that time, in that place at that moment and fit the wardrobe and I
00:44:04was in all these movies.
00:44:05It was more than fitting the wardrobe thing.
00:44:07It was a, people got to be seen through you.
00:44:15Sure.
00:44:16Those movies took young people seriously in a way that they hadn't before.
00:44:19That's what John Hughes did that very well.
00:44:21He gave people, young people a sense of dignity and that, you know, I see you.
00:44:25But what you were, was a vulnerability.
00:44:28Sure.
00:44:28Yeah.
00:44:29That I, that I think was really important actually for, for young, young fellas our age to see.
00:44:39Well, I was that.
00:44:40You know what I mean?
00:44:41Yeah.
00:44:41I was vulnerable and open.
00:44:43And yeah, I mean, so that, that, that made me famous to a certain, you know, generation at that time.
00:44:52Yeah.
00:44:53So those movies go out.
00:44:54How many of them were there all together?
00:44:56I don't know.
00:44:56I mean, it's all good.
00:44:57Well, there's no like, like who's in the Brat Pack.
00:44:59I mean, there's no official list, you know?
00:45:01So, I mean, I don't know.
00:45:02We, I did a dozen of these kinds of movies, you know?
00:45:05And then did, like you're going to explain to me from your perspective, what, so I have this image of
00:45:12Andrew McCarthy.
00:45:13Oh, wow.
00:45:14And then, you know, and then here again.
00:45:16So what, from your insiders, what, what was going on?
00:45:22Well, I think I struggled or fought against for a long time, the notion of feeling pigeonholed in a certain
00:45:28way.
00:45:29And I didn't like that.
00:45:30And I, and I struggled against that.
00:45:32And I also drank too much when I was younger.
00:45:37And, you know, people often say to me, oh, well, you're too young for success.
00:45:43And so you drank.
00:45:44And I'm like, no, you know, success just let me drink better vodka.
00:45:49But I would have drunk the vodka anyway.
00:45:51So I think, and I wasn't particularly, and that sort of derailed me for several years.
00:45:55And then it took me several years to actually do something about it.
00:45:58You know, the, the worst thing that happened to me in that, in diving down that drink hole turned out
00:46:04to be a real blessing to me.
00:46:05Not stopping drinking, of course that was a blessing, but the act itself of losing, of drinking and losing myself
00:46:11to that.
00:46:12You know, it's like that, the cracked vase lasts longest kind of thing.
00:46:15That's turned into my greatest sense of strength in a certain way.
00:46:19Or, you know, cause I, and I learned things about myself.
00:46:22And anyway, so I, so my career got lost in myself for a number of years.
00:46:27Was there, was there always work?
00:46:29Yeah, I always was doing kind of things.
00:46:30And then, you know, at a certain point, I, I started traveling the world alone when I stopped drinking.
00:46:38I started traveling the world by myself just because I was, I realized, uh, how fearful I was in the
00:46:45world.
00:46:46You know, I walked across Spain on the Camino de Santiago, it's almost 30 years ago.
00:46:49And I realized right in the middle of it, I sort of had this breakdown where I just had a
00:46:54sobbing little fit.
00:46:55And I had this sort of white light experience and I realized how much fear had dominated my life.
00:47:00And how it had controlled and made decisions for me.
00:47:04And so much so that I was not aware of its existence in my life until that instant of its
00:47:10first absence.
00:47:11You know, and I suddenly felt like me for the, I felt like, you know, my wife is Irish.
00:47:17She has, you know, one of these Irish things is, I felt like myself from the toes up.
00:47:21And in that instant, I felt like when that, when fear was lifted from me for that moment, I felt
00:47:24like myself.
00:47:25I said, oh, there I am.
00:47:26How long did that last?
00:47:28It lasted a few minutes.
00:47:29I had this sort of meltdown.
00:47:31I just had a tantrum really in the middle of this wheat field.
00:47:34And, and then the realization of it, like so many things in my life, the realization came a few days
00:47:40later.
00:47:41I was sitting by a bar and eating a little piece of cheese and I had that realization.
00:47:45Oh my God.
00:47:46I could, I was aware of being able to see very crisply and hear very sharply.
00:47:51And I was just like, oh my God, I'm really awake.
00:47:56And then I realized I don't have any fear right now.
00:48:01I feel like me.
00:48:03Don't tell anybody, you know, and then the fear comes in, don't tell anybody because you'll get whacked.
00:48:08You know what I mean?
00:48:08And so, so for the rest of my life, since that 30 years ago, it's been this, it's been a
00:48:13constant open that door.
00:48:14It wants to close, open that door and closing.
00:48:18And so anyway, that led to me traveling the world a lot.
00:48:20And I became a travel writer.
00:48:21So I sort of left acting behind and became a travel writer, uh, full time.
00:48:27And I worked with national geographic travel anyway for years.
00:48:30I, I did that.
00:48:31And then that led to books.
00:48:32And then tell me about writing.
00:48:35Well, I mean, you know, I just like to feel, I like to make stuff.
00:48:40You know, I like to make some, anything doesn't even matter what it is, whether it's acting, whether it's writing.
00:48:44I direct a lot of television, whether it's directing, whatever it is.
00:48:47I like, if it's good, it's better, but you just want to make stuff.
00:48:51You feel like, you know, that's how we locate ourselves.
00:48:52Right.
00:48:53That's how I locate myself.
00:48:54But I, I like to write.
00:48:55Was it novels that you did as well?
00:48:57No, I've, I've written a novel, but I've mostly travel books and memoir and travel kind of personal, like personal
00:49:03travel books, you know.
00:49:04Um, and as I got older, I left acting for a number of years when I was travel writing exclusively.
00:49:09And then when I, I direct a lot of television, like I say, so for 10 years, more, 15 years,
00:49:14I didn't act at all.
00:49:14So to go back to acting, particularly now, I haven't done a play in 20 years and I'm doing this
00:49:18play now at the Crucible.
00:49:19And it's like, what do I have?
00:49:21What's different in my tool chest now than there was before?
00:49:25What don't I have that I used to have?
00:49:27And what do I not need to try to have now?
00:49:30And that's interesting.
00:49:31I can see you as a kind of an evil Republican Senator.
00:49:36That's outrageous.
00:49:36I'm out of here.
00:49:38Um, well, I mean, in the Crucible, I'm playing very much at, you know, the, I'm playing the judge, which
00:49:43was interesting.
00:49:43They said, do you want to do the Crucible?
00:49:44And I'm like, I'm a little old for John Proctor.
00:49:46And they go, no, not to play John Proctor to play the old judge.
00:49:49I'm like, jeez, okay.
00:49:52Uh, and, uh, but no one ever thinks they're evil.
00:49:55Evil people don't think they're evil.
00:49:56Everybody just thinks they're right.
00:49:57But you have an intensity of a stare now that, well, I don't know.
00:50:02I can see it.
00:50:03Anyway.
00:50:03Um, did you, in terms of money, did you make enough during the, those, the Brat Pack years to kind
00:50:11of see you through?
00:50:13Or was there a time where you said, I'm like, God, I have to start earning now?
00:50:18Um, well, I mean, no, I was paid nothing for those movies.
00:50:21We were, there was before the heyday of, um, you know, actors getting their $20 million, right before it.
00:50:25I mean, I made, you know, $50,000 for a movie or something, which was a lot of money to
00:50:29me then.
00:50:30But it was certainly not enough to see you 30, 40 years later through.
00:50:34So, uh, I've always had to earn a, I've always had to earn a living, which has been, um, good
00:50:40for me.
00:50:40And, you know, stressful like anyone who's trying to, you know, the worst part about being an actor in my
00:50:45experience is being the freelancer nature of it.
00:50:48I've had hundreds of jobs and I'm always looking for a next job or, you know, that kind of thing.
00:50:54So, uh, that to me has always been the worst, toughest part of acting.
00:50:57Uh, tell us about the TV shows you've directed.
00:50:59I directed a lot of the show called Orange is the New Black when that was on.
00:51:02Oh, yeah, yeah.
00:51:03You know, I, I just started directing and, uh, you know, that, that was when streaming wasn't really streaming yet,
00:51:12if we can remember such a time.
00:51:14And a friend of mine was producing the show and they said, do you want to direct one of the
00:51:18episodes?
00:51:18We can't get anybody to direct this thing because it's going to be on, I think, Netflix.
00:51:21And I'm like, well, doesn't Netflix, they mail you DVDs.
00:51:24What do you mean on Netflix?
00:51:26Well, they're going to be streaming.
00:51:27I'm like, okay, well, what channel is it on?
00:51:29They're like, no, it's streaming.
00:51:29Anyway, I couldn't understand it.
00:51:31And they couldn't get anyone to direct it because nobody knew what streaming was.
00:51:33So I said, I'll direct it.
00:51:34I don't have a job.
00:51:35And I directed a bunch of them.
00:51:36Then streaming happened.
00:51:37And it was one of the, you know, I think the second show on Netflix and it was this overnight
00:51:41hit.
00:51:41So suddenly I was a great director because I directed a bunch of them.
00:51:44Yeah.
00:51:44So then I was just given tons of work.
00:51:47I directed a bunch, about a hundred hours of television.
00:51:49So, and because I was an actor, I could get very subjective.
00:51:52I understood all the actor neuroses because I have them all.
00:51:55So I could talk to actors easily.
00:51:57And so I was, and I'm very impatient and I've been on a set most of my life.
00:52:02So I understand where time is wasted.
00:52:03So I can be very fast, which, and I was make this, I'd be decisive,
00:52:07which is those two things you need to be in television.
00:52:09And if you, you know, they really just want it done by five o'clock.
00:52:13If you have a few good ideas, my God, you're Orson Welles.
00:52:16I'm being a little cynical, but not too much.
00:52:19What type of preparation work do you have to do for something like the judge in the crucible?
00:52:27For me, the challenge of it is not asserting because he's complete authority of the room.
00:52:41And I can have a feeling that I'm not man enough, not powerful enough.
00:52:49Well, you're, you know, a little voice there, it says.
00:52:52And so I have, and so the consequently...
00:52:54You totally have that.
00:52:55Well, consequently, one tends to over-assert when you have that.
00:52:58When you over-assert, it's weakness.
00:52:59And for anybody who's perceptive enough, you can see it's weakness.
00:53:04And people do it all the time.
00:53:06You see, oh, look at our president, it's just weakness.
00:53:08All that stuff is just, I just, all I see is weakness, weakness, weakness.
00:53:12And weakness is fine, but not if you can do harm to people.
00:53:16Because people do, you know, and that fear, and it's fear and weakness.
00:53:20So I can have, I can fear that I'm not enough.
00:53:23And so it's like trusting this is enough.
00:53:27You know, maybe it comes to my father.
00:53:28My father was a very dominant man.
00:53:30I was afraid of him.
00:53:30Whatever it is.
00:53:31You know, I still, all these, lo these many decades later, truth be told,
00:53:35can have that fear that I am not enough.
00:53:40And so it's just holding the space, even though I have that fear.
00:53:4651% of me has to have the trust that I am holding the space.
00:53:49Even if 49% is, you're not enough.
00:53:51They're going to laugh at you.
00:53:52They think you're weak.
00:53:53You know what I mean?
00:53:54And battling those internal things.
00:53:57Balancing or just not listening to that voice.
00:53:59You know?
00:54:00And so for me, that is the challenge in this part.
00:54:04You know?
00:54:04And now when I say that to you, I feel very vulnerable.
00:54:08But that's okay.
00:54:10And that's a valuable use of my time.
00:54:13And in my life, that will reward me.
00:54:15And as a parent of my kids, that will reward me.
00:54:18That vulnerability will give me a strength.
00:54:20You know what I mean?
00:54:21As opposed to asserting and being angry and all that stuff, which is just not.
00:54:26Anger is always fear, right?
00:54:27And fear, fear, fear, fear.
00:54:29We're so fearful as people.
00:54:31And so to just own the fear and be able to sit there and go, no, sir, you cannot do
00:54:36that.
00:54:39And, you know, that'll be my challenge, nightly.
00:54:42When you're talking about directing.
00:54:44Does that make any sense?
00:54:45Yeah.
00:54:45But when you're talking about directing, you had it.
00:54:48Authority.
00:54:50You know?
00:54:52Do you find that if when you're, say, if you're traveling, do you find people are kind of going...
00:55:01I mean, I wouldn't find that as my, whatever my energy is.
00:55:05If I'm feeling, really feeling like, you know, people will notice me.
00:55:11You know, I don't notice it when, you know, it doesn't happen near as much here as it does in
00:55:15New York.
00:55:15And so, or in America.
00:55:18But my wife tells me about it all the time.
00:55:21She goes, that person just stopped talking.
00:55:23They're listening to everything you say.
00:55:25I'm like, who?
00:55:25Like, I'm, I've kind of got, otherwise I'm, you know, it's, but I'm not Brad Pitt.
00:55:31You know what I mean?
00:55:31So it's like, it's a weird phenomenon because I'm to a certain, like say, certain demographic of a certain generation.
00:55:37Like, oh my God.
00:55:40When I was young and other people go.
00:55:42Yeah.
00:55:44You know what I mean?
00:55:45So it's a weird one.
00:55:46Yeah.
00:55:46But it's the thing as well of, you were so beautiful though.
00:55:49I guess that's, I mean, that's, that happened.
00:55:54You were so beautiful.
00:55:57I mean, I'm not, I mean, I've overloaded the word there.
00:56:00Do you know what I mean?
00:56:01That was, I mean.
00:56:02Well, I had at that moment, like I said earlier, you know, it's like, I'm not comparing myself at all
00:56:08to James Dean in East of Eden.
00:56:10To Leonardo DiCaprio in that Gilbert Grape movie or something.
00:56:13Sure.
00:56:13There's a moment, a blossom that is so attractive.
00:56:16And it is a quality.
00:56:17It's not a talent.
00:56:18And it passes.
00:56:19It's just like, oh God.
00:56:21And it's really attractive.
00:56:22And everybody wants it.
00:56:23And so people come at it.
00:56:25And you can survive that or you can't.
00:56:27I didn't particularly very well.
00:56:28But that's a really interesting, and it is a moment in time, you know, and then Leonardo DiCaprio grows up
00:56:34and becomes whatever actor he becomes.
00:56:35And James Dean didn't get a chance to.
00:56:37And he died in that moment still until he's forever sealed in that moment of blossom.
00:56:42Wow.
00:56:43You know, and I got old.
00:56:46And surviving fame is a weird thing.
00:56:49I certainly identify with that.
00:56:51And as far as you're concerned, you see me at 22.
00:56:53You know, as far as you're concerned, my greatest success was that.
00:56:56Nothing I ever do.
00:56:58Even if I win Oscars now, I would still be the guy who was in Pretty in Pink.
00:57:01Because it captures that nostalgia and that youth, like you said.
00:57:05So, there's something about that and reconciling that and knowing it's none of my business in a certain way.
00:57:13And I also, I would never think of it as that was your greatest success.
00:57:20That kind of terminology and judgment wouldn't come into my mind.
00:57:24It would be more that that was beautiful.
00:57:28Well, I mean on a public success, you know, culturally impacting way.
00:57:32It certainly probably was.
00:57:34At the time, if you were around in that time, it was very culturally impacted.
00:57:37Which I was unaware of at the time, but it was very culturally impacted.
00:57:40The Brad Pack and those movies at that time.
00:57:43It was a big deal.
00:57:44And I don't think that moment like that could happen culturally now anyway,
00:57:46because we're so fractured.
00:57:48Whereas then, everyone was looking at the same direction.
00:57:51Everyone went to that movie on Friday night.
00:57:53Everyone.
00:57:53And that very rarely happens now.
00:57:56I'm sure you must have been sitting in front of the television some evenings,
00:58:01looking at the cast of Friends going,
00:58:04F*** you.
00:58:08And I.
00:58:08I did.
00:58:13No.
00:58:13A million an episode.
00:58:15Oh no, by then I was like, okay.
00:58:17They were cultural icons, you know.
00:58:19But in the beginning I was like, it's not that funny.
00:58:23It's not that good.
00:58:25But I guess in a sense, you were the Friends cast that didn't get rewards in the same way.
00:58:31When does The Crucible run until?
00:58:33We go until March 21.
00:58:35Wow.
00:58:37Thanks for agreeing to come on to the show.
00:58:40Thanks for having me.
00:58:41It's nice to talk to you.
00:58:42It's been a treat.
00:58:43Thanks for having me.
00:58:44Really.
00:58:47And now, ladies and gentlemen,
00:58:48would you please welcome Just Mustard
00:58:49performing the title track from their album,
00:58:51We Were Just Here.
00:58:52And you can see them in the three Olympia in May.
00:59:19We Were Just Here
00:59:31Watch the way
00:59:34Can't be far
00:59:38Won't you stand
00:59:43For us?
00:59:53Can't be far
00:59:54All the time, around, all the time
01:00:01And if I miss all the time, around
01:00:06I just wanna make you feel
01:00:12I just wanna make you feel
01:00:30I just wanna make you feel
01:00:50I just wanna make you feel
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