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00:30This is a late night. We hope you're doing well.
00:32And now, if you don't mind, we're going to get to the news.
00:34When asked if military operations in Iran are very complete
00:38or just beginning, President Trump said,
00:40quote, I think you could say both.
00:42No, it really can't be both.
00:44You can't say both about anything in this country.
00:48Remember when we almost had a civil war over this dress?
00:53While speaking on Monday to House Republicans,
00:56President Trump gave an update on U.S. military operations
00:59in Iran and said, quote,
01:00we've already won in many ways, but we haven't won enough.
01:03That's not how winning works.
01:06Either you won or you didn't.
01:08I don't know about Iran,
01:09but I think Merriam-Webster is ready to surrender.
01:14According to a new report,
01:15President Trump has been gifting administration officials
01:18pairs of $145 Florsheim dress shoes,
01:22and apparently without asking anybody their sizes.
01:25Look at that.
01:27It's like the last five minutes of the movie big.
01:32What was Trump thinking?
01:33They don't fit now, but wait until your ankles blow up like mine.
01:39Ankle air, it comes for all of us.
01:43President Trump today traveled to Ohio and Kentucky
01:46as part of his affordability tour.
01:48And if you're wondering how that affordability is going,
01:51he had to walk.
01:55These floor shimes are killing me.
01:59In a post today on Truth Social,
02:01President Trump called former Congresswoman
02:03Marjorie Taylor Greene Marjorie Trader Brown
02:06and added, quote,
02:08Remember, Greene turns to brown under stress.
02:11Okay, for the last time,
02:12if you have to explain the joke,
02:14that means it's not good.
02:16If it's funny, they'll know.
02:21See?
02:25I didn't have to say,
02:26because he looks absolutely washed.
02:31Taco Bell this week unveiled more than 20 new menu items.
02:3420? Are you crazy?
02:35You can't throw 20 new items at people who are too stoned
02:39to make mac and cheese in their dorm.
02:43Oh, I can't do it, man.
02:46There's too many buttons on this thing.
02:50Let's go to Taco Bell, where there are fewer options.
02:55The restaurant chain Buffalo Wild Wings this week
02:57unveiled its new wing-flavored espresso protein-y,
03:02which is made with a scoop of muscle milk protein powder.
03:05Great for people who've always wanted to drink a podcast.
03:14I mean, based on the way the audience reacted,
03:16I think they're on to something.
03:19Ugh.
03:22A pod of dolphins was spotted yesterday
03:24in New York's East River.
03:26So remember, Mafia,
03:27that guy you dumped in the East River
03:29sleeps with the mammals.
03:34Amid complaints that passengers could not see
03:37through the windows,
03:38New Jersey Transit announced this week
03:40that it has replaced them
03:41in more than half of its multi-level rail cars.
03:44Yeah, God forbid you miss that famous Jersey scenery.
03:49Well, mama, look!
03:51Their Pizza Hut's also a KFC!
03:57Today was World Plumbing Day,
03:58which I'm guessing has something to do
04:00with that espresso protein-y.
04:04Yeah, well, I don't know if we can make it today.
04:08We're getting slammed!
04:12And finally, the New York Giants this week
04:14signed a three-year, $12.3 million deal
04:16with a new punter,
04:17which is expensive for a punter,
04:19but it's the Giants, so he'll play a lot.
04:26First, I can't see out the window!
04:31That was a monologue, everybody!
04:34So, for you tonight,
04:37he is a legendary actor.
04:40You know from classic films
04:41such as Escape from New York,
04:43Tombstone, Once Upon a Time in Hollywood.
04:45He's currently starring in the new series,
04:47The Madison, which premieres March 14th
04:49on Paramount+.
04:50The great Kurt Russell is here, everybody!
04:55So excited to have Kurt back.
04:57She is a fantastic director.
05:00He is a fashion icon.
05:01They collaborated on the new documentary,
05:03Mark by Sophia,
05:05which opens select New York theaters
05:06on March 20th and nationwide on March 27th.
05:09Mark Jacobs and Sophia Coppola
05:10will also be joining us.
05:13You guys, I will be in Scottsdale, Arizona
05:19on March 14th for two stand-up shows
05:21at the Talking Stick Resort.
05:22Talking Stick, my high school nickname.
05:29Now, that's what the football coach
05:31called me when he cut me.
05:34You're more of a talking stick.
05:37Anyways, The Late Show sold out,
05:38but good news, there are still tickets
05:40for the early show.
05:41For tickets and more,
05:42head over to SethMeyers.com.
05:44By the way, SethMeyers.com,
05:46I want to shout out,
05:47my college roommate, Mike Lazaro,
05:49when I got hired on SNL,
05:51he bought the domain name SethMeyers.com.
05:53That's why I have it.
05:54And it was incredibly sweet,
05:56except what he charges me to use it.
06:02Onerous.
06:03Onerous fee.
06:04The reason I'm doing a second show...
06:09First show, I don't even break even.
06:13Moving on, the president is maybe,
06:15sort of, threatening slash teasing
06:17that he might put boots on the ground in Iran,
06:19but Republicans can't seem to agree
06:20on whether they support that idea
06:22or for how long or why.
06:23For more on this, it's time for a closer look.
06:30Defense secretary slash morning show host
06:32slash fifth-year senior who just found out,
06:35yeah, he's gonna need to do a sixth year.
06:38Pete Hegseth has made it clear
06:40that under his leadership,
06:41the Department of Defense,
06:42or as he calls it,
06:43the Department of Kicking Ass and Getting Crunk,
06:46is focused on one thing,
06:47unleashing our war fighters
06:49so they can be lethal killing machines.
06:51From this moment forward,
06:53the only mission of the newly restored Department of War
06:56is this, warfighting.
07:00Preparing for war and preparing to win.
07:02We're unleashing the warfighter to be ready,
07:05trained, disciplined, accountable, and lethal.
07:09Every day, we have to be prepared for war.
07:11We're training warriors, not defenders.
07:13We untie the hands of our warfighters.
07:15Maximum lethality and authority for warfighters.
07:18Restoring the warrior ethos.
07:20We're gonna go on offense, not just on defense.
07:23Maximum lethality, not tepid legality.
07:27Violent effect, not politically correct.
07:31Ugh!
07:32Nothing is worse than when the jock tries poetry.
07:37Let me guess, your bros made a bet
07:39that you couldn't convince the valedictorian
07:40to go to prom with you?
07:42People say you're a nerd.
07:43I say, that's absurd.
07:46People say you're a geek.
07:48I say, that's absurd.
07:51But the point is, Hegseth is refocusing
07:54on the core mission, warfighting.
07:55And before we go any further,
07:57was there a problem with the term warfare?
08:00Did we need warfighting?
08:01It's just a weirder way to say the same thing.
08:03It's like asking someone
08:04if they want to go out to dinner eating.
08:08Modern Warfare was a popular video game.
08:10Modern Warfighting is a janky board game
08:12your nana gets you because she sucks at listening.
08:15Here you are, just like you asked.
08:19Turn up your hearing.
08:25But back to Hegseth, you heard the man.
08:28The department is laser-focused on warfighting,
08:30and that includes the budget.
08:31No more frivolous spending on woke BS.
08:33This administration is going to be
08:34a vigilant steward of taxpayer dollars.
08:37They will not tolerate waste, fraud, and abuse.
08:39In fact, every night, Donald Trump sits down
08:40and balances the books himself.
08:42Okay, let's see.
08:43That's $5 for soda, $10 for printer paper,
08:48and $77,000 for hand makeup
08:50that's not fooling anyone.
08:53But it's true.
08:54This administration will account
08:55for every penny they spend.
08:57They said they would cut wasteful programs
08:59like cancer research, food for children,
09:01and they kept their promise.
09:02From now on, the government will only spend money
09:05on stuff we absolutely need.
09:08Uh-oh!
09:10That's the late-night sarcasm alert!
09:13We have a new AI-powered sarcasm detector
09:16that closely monitors my tone and speech patterns
09:19to decide if I'm being sarcastic or not
09:21when I'm setting up a clip package.
09:23And based on how loud that was,
09:24I'm guessing the clip we're about to watch
09:26might just prove the opposite
09:27when it comes to wasteful spending.
09:29Today, we got reports
09:30that initial estimates showed
09:31Trump's war cost American taxpayers
09:33$5.6 billion in just the first two days.
09:36At the same time,
09:37a new report from an external government watchdog
09:39finds that Pete Hexas' Pentagon
09:41was already on a massive spending spree
09:43before the war began,
09:45dropping $15 million on,
09:47wait for it,
09:47if you haven't seen this story,
09:49look it up,
09:50steak and another $6.9 million
09:52on lobster tail
09:53in just the month of September.
09:55They spent $15 million on steak
09:57in one month?
09:58Who are you,
09:58Sterling Cooper Draper and Price?
10:01If you're going to eat that much steak,
10:03you better have come up
10:03with a new campaign for Lucky Strike.
10:07No wonder Hexas always looks miserable.
10:09He's 24-7 meat constipated.
10:13That's the face of a man warfighting with his colon.
10:20Also, it's a real contradiction
10:21that you're telling us how tough you are,
10:23but now I can only picture you wearing a bib.
10:25We are going to rain hell down on them from above.
10:29I need the tiny fork.
10:30Who has the tiny fork?
10:32But the waste doesn't end there.
10:33The Pentagon also spent nearly $6 billion
10:35on IT systems.
10:37That included $3.5 billion
10:39for tech support and cable TV.
10:42Luxury music instruments,
10:44including a $98,000 Steinway piano
10:46for the Air Force Chief of Staff's home.
10:49Okay, but before you judge,
10:51just remember the Air Force Chief of Staff
10:52is Elton John.
10:58I mean, it makes sense.
10:59He's an expert on rockets, man.
11:05And I told you that would be a good, good joke.
11:10Wait a second.
11:11The rhyming of Grand Piano?
11:13Is Pete Hexas slowly turning the Pentagon
11:15into a theater camp?
11:17Oh, is this summer's production?
11:19Please, oh, please tell me Hexas is going to play
11:21a tortured first lady in Oh, Melania.
11:27Hexas claimed his focus was going to be
11:29on warfighting and lethality,
11:30but it sure seems like his actual priorities
11:33are very different.
11:34He's going to have to rewrite his next speech.
11:36From this moment forward,
11:37the only mission of the newly restored
11:40Department of War is this.
11:42Furniture, King Crab, Lobster Tail,
11:44Rib-Eye Steak, Cable TV,
11:46Luxury Music Instruments.
11:48So the Pentagon seems a lot more focused
11:50on fancy meals and high-end instruments
11:51than laying out concrete goals
11:53for the war in Iran,
11:54which might explain why no one seems to know
11:56what we're actually doing there.
11:58For example, here's a simple question
12:00a lot of Americans have.
12:01Is this about regime change?
12:03Republicans, can you get together
12:05and give us one clear answer?
12:07It would be an absolutely incredible,
12:10you know, historic feat
12:11if we can get the Iranian regime to collapse.
12:14This isn't about regime change.
12:15Is regime change, as you see it,
12:18the objective here?
12:20Absolutely. To me, it is.
12:21This is not a so-called regime change war,
12:24but the regime sure did change.
12:30That sounds like the last line
12:31of a Fast and Furious movie.
12:34Was Vin Diesel driving when you said that?
12:36This isn't regime change,
12:38but the regime sure did change.
12:41You said it, Pete.
12:44Now let's ride.
12:46So Republicans can't decide
12:47if this is about regime change.
12:49What about Iran's nuclear program?
12:51Were they close to a nuclear bomb or not?
12:53Iran's key nuclear enrichment facilities
12:55have been completely and totally obliterated.
12:58If we didn't hit within two weeks,
13:00they would have had a nuclear weapon.
13:01You want to call it destroyed?
13:02You want to call it defeated?
13:04You want to call it obliterated?
13:06Choose your word.
13:07They're probably a week away
13:08from having industrial grade bomb-making material.
13:15It would take years to bring them back into service.
13:18We have a commander in chief tonight
13:19and President Trump
13:21who saved us in literally the nick of time.
13:25If we'd waited another year,
13:26they would have had 11 nuclear bombs.
13:28They saved us in the nick of time.
13:30That's what I told my meemaw
13:32when that traveling music man
13:34came to town and sold us all those instruments.
13:36I don't care if you think he's a charlatan!
13:40You old warthog!
13:41He sold us a piano for only $98,000!
13:45Now me and Pete can do our two-man show,
13:48Graham and Cracker!
13:54Also...
13:56I love that Lindsay said
13:59they would have had 11 nuclear bombs.
14:02It's such an odd, specific number.
14:05So they can't agree on whether this is about regime change
14:07or whether it's about nuclear weapons.
14:09Can you at least tell us
14:10if the president might put boots on the ground?
14:11Or, as Pete Hegseth probably calls that,
14:14boot pudding.
14:15President Trump has privately shown
14:17serious interest in U.S. boots
14:19on the ground in Iran.
14:21The president has no plan
14:22for any kind of large-scale ground force
14:25inside of Iran.
14:26As for boots on the ground,
14:27the president has talked about this repeatedly.
14:31Wisely, he does not rule options out.
14:33Did we not just invade?
14:34We are not invading.
14:35Are you seeing boots on the ground there?
14:37Because I'm not.
14:38I don't have the yips
14:39with respect to boots on the ground.
14:41I do not believe the president
14:42will send boots
14:43or put boots on the ground.
14:45That's a whole different story.
14:46And as I said earlier this week,
14:48I don't think I'm wrong on that.
14:50But if he does,
14:52the thud you hear
14:53will be me face-planting
14:55from surprise,
14:58from fainting,
14:59because I don't think he did.
15:00Well, sir, we don't believe a word
15:01of what you just said,
15:02but we would love
15:02to invite you to theater camp
15:04because you would be perfect
15:05to play the part
15:06of Lindsey Graham's Meemaw.
15:08I'm leaving this at one-horse town
15:10and I'm going to make it big.
15:12Everything you're going to be making
15:14is the Guinness Book of World Records
15:15for most embarrassing grams.
15:22Oh, no.
15:23Oh, I think this might be...
15:24Is this how I die?
15:27Trying to do two southern senators
15:28talking to each other?
15:30That's what the palm reader said.
15:31She said,
15:32That's how I die.
15:36I think just skip ahead
15:37through this back and forth.
15:38Well, it's the next 55 cards.
15:43If you're going to do something
15:44and seriously send troops into war,
15:45you should be able to explain why.
15:47But they can't,
15:48and Americans are angry.
15:49We have no idea
15:50what state Iran's nuclear program is in,
15:52but one thing we know for sure
15:53is that Trump's approval rating
15:55has been...
15:55Obliterated.
15:56This has been A Closer Look.
16:02We'll be right back
16:03with Kurt Russell.
16:11For more of Seth's Closer Looks,
16:13be sure to subscribe
16:14to Late Night on YouTube.
16:24Our first guy of the night
16:25is an Emmy-nominated actor.
16:26His career spans over 60 years,
16:29starring in films like
16:30Escape from New York,
16:31The Thing, Tombstone,
16:32The Hateful Eight,
16:33and Once Upon a Time in Hollywood.
16:34He stars in the new series,
16:36The Madison,
16:37which premieres on March 14th
16:38on Paramount+.
16:39Let's take a look.
16:41Look at Stacey and the kids
16:42to this resort in the Caribbean.
16:46Rooms are 10 grand a night.
16:49Villas are 30.
16:50This doesn't impress me.
16:51No, Paul,
16:51it doesn't impress me either.
16:53I'm just trying to tell you a story.
16:55Now, if you quantify making it
16:58by the things you can afford,
17:00then this place is making it.
17:01Yeah?
17:03We're sitting there on the beach
17:04and watching all these couples walk by.
17:09We're the youngest there
17:10by, like, two decades.
17:11I mean, everyone's in their 70s and 80s.
17:15Barely waddle across the sand.
17:19All covered up in their big hats
17:21and their long-sleeved shirts.
17:22They made it.
17:25But their bodies
17:26are too old
17:28to enjoy it.
17:29Please welcome back to the show
17:31our friend Kurt Russell, everybody!
17:48Hello!
17:49How are you?
17:49I'm doing good.
17:50Well, this...
17:50We've been on the...
17:51We've been on the, you know,
17:52the trail promoting the thing.
17:53It's my last show.
17:54Oh, I really...
17:55That's the nice thing
17:56about sometimes we get
17:56to meet people's last...
17:58It's like the last day is cool.
17:59Yeah, people either, like,
18:00have all this energy
18:01because it's almost over
18:02or they're just dead to the world.
18:04Yeah, what was that?
18:04I missed that.
18:05By the way, you and Matthew Fox,
18:07I was realizing
18:07when I was watching that clip.
18:08What was that Great West...
18:10Bone Tomahawk?
18:10Bone Tomahawk.
18:11That is an insane movie.
18:13That's one of my favorite movies.
18:14It's a great movie.
18:15Like, I say insane in a great way.
18:17Like, it is a crazy
18:17sort of horror Western.
18:19No, you don't know.
18:19If you went into Blockbuster years ago
18:21and you say,
18:21I'm looking for Bone Tomahawk.
18:22Where is it?
18:23Which section?
18:25They go,
18:25it's over there in the corner
18:26by itself where it belongs.
18:28It is not.
18:28It does not have a section.
18:30The other films have asked
18:31not to be on a rack
18:32with Bone Tomahawk.
18:35Another movie of yours
18:37that was all over...
18:38The algorithm kept pushing it
18:40towards me on social media
18:41was your speech
18:42from the film Miracle
18:43because, of course,
18:44we had Olympic hockey.
18:45Yeah.
18:46And...
18:48And, uh...
18:49I would imagine,
18:50you know,
18:50obviously you're playing
18:51Herb Brooks.
18:52You know,
18:52that's a historical figure,
18:53a real dude,
18:53a real moment.
18:54That scene,
18:55I mean,
18:56getting that right
18:57must have...
18:57I mean,
18:57it's the most important part
18:58of the movie in a way.
18:59Well, I had the opportunity
19:00to meet Herb
19:02before we started
19:03and he was actually
19:04coming to scout Wyatt.
19:06Oh, wow.
19:06Because Wyatt was playing
19:07junior hockey and planet
19:08and they were looking at him
19:09for maybe playing
19:10for the Gophers.
19:11And once we had
19:12the conversation with Herb,
19:14I turned to the director
19:14and I said,
19:15we got a lot of work
19:15to do here
19:16because we didn't really
19:17have a lot of that in there.
19:18We didn't have a lot of
19:19stuff that was in the hockey.
19:21And Herb said to me,
19:22how do you know
19:23a lot of that?
19:23I said,
19:23well,
19:24I was a ball player.
19:25And I didn't realize it,
19:27but I was also playing my dad
19:31who was a great baseball coach.
19:33Yeah.
19:34And he was a great psychologist.
19:36He'd get out of young guys
19:37a lot more.
19:39And he was very much like Herb.
19:40But my dad was a very gregarious guy.
19:42Right.
19:42He was a little more reserved.
19:44But their technique,
19:45what they were trying
19:46to pry out of people,
19:47I realized.
19:48And my dad actually died
19:50when I was making that.
19:51And I didn't really realize
19:53that until I was skating around
19:55and his first assistant
19:55was walking out
19:56and I knew my dad was going.
19:58And I said,
19:59did my dad die?
20:00And he went,
20:01yeah.
20:01What do you know
20:01when I do?
20:02Give me a minute.
20:03But I realized right then,
20:05oh, well, dad,
20:06I'm just realizing
20:07and I'm playing you too.
20:09So it was kind of weird.
20:13And, you know,
20:14your dad was an actor.
20:16You worked with him?
20:18Yeah, we worked
20:19four or five times together.
20:20And your son, Wyatt?
20:21He kidnapped me once.
20:22He kidnapped you?
20:22I think it was an FBI episode
20:23of the FBI.
20:24Really?
20:25I guess when they're casting a kid,
20:26it makes it easier
20:27for the kidnap scene
20:28if the kidnapper
20:29is your actual dad.
20:30Oh, he had a ball that day.
20:31He had a lot of fun.
20:32And then your son, Wyatt,
20:33in Monarch,
20:34which you have another season
20:35coming out,
20:36you and Wyatt
20:36play the same character
20:37in different timelines.
20:38That's when we were here
20:39last time in 24 to see
20:40your son, Wyatt.
20:41So it's very cool
20:42when those things overlap like that.
20:43Yeah, I thought we were,
20:44you know, I was excited
20:44the idea of working together
20:45was going to be really fun.
20:46But, of course,
20:47then I never thought
20:48we'll never work together
20:49because we're playing
20:50the same guy.
20:50When you play someone
20:51from the future,
20:51unless it's a Back to the Future
20:53movie situation.
20:53In the second season,
20:55we actually,
20:55it's a sci-fi, so, you know.
20:57Oh, I look forward to that.
20:58You never know, you know.
21:00Madison,
21:02this is a beautiful show.
21:03Taylor Sheridan show.
21:04Yeah.
21:04Well, it's not.
21:05That's what's interesting about it.
21:06It's very,
21:07very unlike anything he's done.
21:09I mean, anything.
21:09Yeah, so it is him.
21:11Yeah.
21:12But it's not a Taylor Sheridan.
21:13It's, again,
21:14it's on its own rack
21:15with bone tomahawk.
21:15Yeah, exactly.
21:17Yeah.
21:17And this is his,
21:18I don't know
21:19if it's proper or not,
21:20but I kind of refer to it
21:22as his female gaze
21:23because it's very female-centric.
21:25But the way he writes
21:26the guys in this,
21:28especially the guys
21:28from Montana,
21:29there's two characters here,
21:30New York City and Montana,
21:32and the people from them.
21:33We're from New York.
21:35The people in Montana are,
21:37you know, they're living
21:38a very different life
21:39and they have very different ways
21:40of teaching and learning things
21:42without even trying to
21:43and vice versa.
21:45So it's really
21:46this sort of fish out of water.
21:47Michelle Pfeiffer
21:48is just fantastic in it.
21:50The cast is really great.
21:52And I honestly think
21:53that it's the best writing
21:54I've seen from Taylor Sheridan.
21:56That's really fantastic.
21:58It's really good.
21:58It is,
21:58you're somebody
21:59that people might assume
22:00is one of the coastal elites
22:02like myself.
22:04But you are actually,
22:05you're a very outdoorsy guy.
22:06You spend a lot of time
22:06in Colorado.
22:07You're an accomplished
22:08fly fisherman.
22:09Is that safe to say?
22:11Unfortunately,
22:11not accomplished.
22:12Oliver's accomplished.
22:13Okay, gotcha.
22:14Oliver's accomplished.
22:15But my history with it
22:16goes way back.
22:17My grandfather had
22:18the first fly fishing only
22:19lake in the state of Maine.
22:21He had a resort
22:22and he only allowed fly fishing.
22:23So all the guys and women
22:25who came there to fly fish,
22:26they had journals
22:27where they'd write down
22:28the temperature of the water,
22:29the temperature of the sky,
22:30the time of day
22:31where there was clouds,
22:32what kind of fly they had on.
22:33So I grew up
22:34knowing all about that.
22:35And in this,
22:36I get a chance to like
22:37pretend I don't know
22:38any of that.
22:39And I get to watch
22:41Matthew Fox and I
22:42play brothers.
22:43And he is,
22:44he's also,
22:45he's a very good
22:45fly fisherman.
22:46So it's kind of fun.
22:47It's playing the guy
22:49who comes out
22:49once every four or five months
22:51to be with his brother.
22:51And he's good,
22:52but he's not that good.
22:53It helps when you're,
22:55when you're doing something
22:56as an actor,
22:56it helps to be very good at it
22:58to be bad at it.
23:00Yeah, because he is.
23:01Because by the way,
23:02even if I did it,
23:02they're like,
23:03I know you're supposed
23:03to be bad, Seth,
23:04but you've got to be
23:05better than this.
23:07All right,
23:07I got more to ask you.
23:08We'll be right back
23:08with more from Kurt Russell.
23:29Welcome back.
23:29We're here with Kurt Russell.
23:30So we mentioned
23:31you worked with your dad.
23:32We did.
23:32Yeah, we worked
23:33four or five times together.
23:33You also played Elvis
23:35in a television movie
23:37in 1970.
23:37We worked together on that.
23:38He played Elvis's dad.
23:40Amazing.
23:40The amount,
23:41the amount the Russells
23:42are just cast to play.
23:43We worked together.
23:44Yeah.
23:44But you also,
23:45was it true
23:46that your first acting job
23:47was with the actual Elvis?
23:49My first movie.
23:50Your first movie.
23:51So here you are with Elvis.
23:52What was the name
23:53of this Elvis?
23:53It happened at the World's Fair.
23:54It happened at the World's Fair.
23:55We shot this,
23:55I think,
23:56in 62.
23:59This is crazy.
24:00I've never seen that picture.
24:01What was your role
24:04in this film?
24:05Well,
24:05he wanted to have an excuse
24:08to meet this nurse,
24:09so he needs to figure out
24:10a way to go in there
24:11with something,
24:11and he pays this kid
24:1250 cents to kick him
24:14in the shins.
24:15Got it.
24:16So I got that job.
24:18Was that a special effect,
24:22or did you get to practically
24:23kick him in the shins?
24:24You know,
24:24that's pre-CGI, right?
24:26So he had a pad on him,
24:28and everybody was
24:28a little bit worried about it.
24:29Yeah.
24:30And they said,
24:30now, kind of go easy.
24:31And I had shoes,
24:32not sneakers.
24:33Right.
24:33And he said,
24:34and I'm looking at it like,
24:35I can't miss that.
24:37Right.
24:37And I did it about 10 times,
24:39and Elvis was like,
24:40I think he's got it.
24:41I don't think I'm worried
24:42about that, you know?
24:43But he was 27 years old here,
24:44and when I played him,
24:45I was 27.
24:46Oh, that's amazing.
24:47And I'm looking at him.
24:48You know what I'm realizing now
24:50is my dad,
24:50when my dad was young,
24:51he looked a lot like Elvis.
24:53And Elvis,
24:53when we were on the thing,
24:54this is how cool
24:55Elvis Presley was.
24:57We're back in Los Angeles
24:58shooting,
24:59and my dad comes on the set
25:01with me,
25:02and Elvis was over there,
25:04and I see Elvis looking over,
25:05really looking over,
25:07and now I'm going in
25:08to do this thing,
25:08and he says,
25:09is that your dad?
25:10Is that your father over there?
25:12I said, yeah.
25:13He said,
25:14oh, man,
25:15can I meet him?
25:16And I said,
25:18oh, sure.
25:19You know,
25:19went over.
25:20Dad,
25:20this is Elvis Presley.
25:21I'd like to meet you.
25:23He said,
25:23Mr. Russell,
25:24he said,
25:24I love the way
25:25you wear your hat
25:25in all the cowboy movies
25:27you do.
25:27If I ever do a cowboy movie,
25:29would it be okay
25:29if I wore my hat your way?
25:31Wow.
25:32That's how cool a guy he was.
25:33And my dad said,
25:34well, sure, Elvis.
25:36It'd be nice.
25:38Oh, man,
25:38if that happened to my dad,
25:39he would die.
25:39And he did in Charo.
25:40If you ever seen in Charo,
25:41that's the way my dad wore it.
25:42Really?
25:42Yeah.
25:43Well, my dad kind of wore his hat
25:44differently than anybody else.
25:45That's fantastic.
25:45You've got to have something
25:46going for you.
25:47Was your dad,
25:47because, again,
25:47my dad would tell that story
25:48to everybody the rest of his life.
25:50He told it a few times.
25:51Yeah, he told it.
25:54Speaking of all-time great Westerns,
25:56since we're there,
25:58Tombstone,
25:58one of the best.
25:59Good guy.
26:02Our dear friend,
26:04your dear friend,
26:05I was lucky enough
26:05to be friends with Val Kilmer.
26:07Totally unique guy.
26:08Just one of a kind.
26:09And he was one of a kind,
26:12difficult as it can be.
26:14Yep.
26:15But never wrong.
26:16Really?
26:17Never wrong.
26:18Anything that we talked about,
26:19we talked,
26:20and we were very close on that.
26:22We became friends.
26:23I mean, we really did,
26:24and we did something.
26:25It was not an easy shoot.
26:27But every time there was
26:28some little thing,
26:29whatever,
26:30he was always right.
26:31That's such a funny thing
26:32about, like,
26:34you can be difficult,
26:35but you have to be right.
26:36Well, and sometimes
26:36he was difficult and right,
26:38and still,
26:39they couldn't deal with it.
26:40Right?
26:41You know what I mean?
26:42That was Val.
26:42I loved him.
26:43He was great.
26:43I miss him.
26:44He is a very special guy.
26:46And then,
26:46you're also,
26:47some of this film
26:48takes place,
26:48you do some scenes
26:49in a cockpit of a plane.
26:50You are licensed pilot?
26:51I'm no longer current,
26:53but flew for 30 years.
26:53Okay, gotcha.
26:54How long does it take
26:55until they say
26:56you're not allowed to fly?
26:57How long do you have
26:58to not fly before they're like,
26:59you don't?
26:59Well, you have,
27:00when you have to
27:01keep yourself current.
27:02Gotcha, okay.
27:03And so there's like
27:04a two-year period.
27:04You got to get
27:05X amount of approaches
27:05and so,
27:06and then there's
27:06IFR ratings and VFR,
27:08and so you got to do it.
27:10Matthew is a current pilot,
27:12and he flies a 206,
27:13which is what he flies
27:14in the show.
27:15Oh, wow.
27:15And so it's fun.
27:16We got to hangar fly a lot,
27:18he and I.
27:19Do you like being up
27:20in a plane
27:20that a friend is flying?
27:22Sure.
27:22Yeah, I feel comfortable
27:23with it, yeah.
27:24Yeah.
27:24Yeah, and I have friends
27:25who still have planes,
27:26and once in a while
27:27get behind the yoke.
27:28Really?
27:28Yeah, yeah, yeah.
27:29That's great.
27:30Thanks for being here.
27:31It's just always
27:31such a delight to see you.
27:33I'll say hi to Wyatt.
27:33Yes, please do.
27:34He's my favorite.
27:35Kurt Russell, everybody.
27:36The Madison
27:37for this March 14th
27:38on Paramount Plus.
27:39We'll be right back
27:39with Mary Jacob
27:40and Cecilia Cobbler.
27:59Our next guests
28:00are close friends
28:01and longtime collaborators
28:03who are pioneers
28:03in their respective fields
28:05of fashion and film.
28:06They're also the iconic subject
28:08and Academy Award-winning director
28:09of the new documentary
28:10Mark by Sophia,
28:12which opens select New York theaters
28:13on March 20th
28:14and nationwide on March 27th.
28:17Let's take a look.
28:18I like your ladylike version, too.
28:20There's a lot of ladylike stuff.
28:21Having dressed Winona
28:22for her trial,
28:23having dressed little Kim
28:24for her trial.
28:24Everyone.
28:25You know, and then it's like
28:27as soon as they need
28:28to put on this kind of
28:29image of propriety.
28:31The Winona ones,
28:32of course, the classics.
28:34I think I'm going to always
28:35look at it as a costume
28:36because it just feels
28:37like it belongs
28:38to somebody who's got maturity
28:40that I don't
28:40or that, you know,
28:42that belongs to another time.
28:43Go to Mark.
28:44Yeah.
28:45He'll dress you
28:46for your trial.
28:47Please welcome to the show
28:48Mark Jacobs and Sophia Kobolo.
29:06Hello, you two.
29:07I'm so happy to have you here.
29:09It's so surreal to be here.
29:10It's wonderful to watch this film
29:12and you sort of,
29:13the framework of the film
29:14is Mark's 2024 show.
29:18Getting ready for it,
29:18the prep for it.
29:20Why did you think
29:20that would be
29:21the jumping in point
29:22to spend time with Mark
29:24and let an audience
29:24get to know him?
29:26Yeah, the Cutlers,
29:27the producers asked me
29:28if I would do a documentary
29:29about Mark and I said,
29:30no, I don't know
29:31how to do that
29:31and he's my friend
29:33and I feel pressured
29:34to do a good job
29:34but they said,
29:35he's about to start
29:35a collection.
29:37Do you want to film it?
29:38And I was like,
29:38oh, I don't want to miss
29:39that moment of seeing
29:40how he starts
29:41from nothing into a show
29:43and really get to watch
29:44the whole process
29:45so my brother came
29:46with me, the camera
29:47and we came to Mark's office
29:49and of course,
29:50I've known Mark for years
29:52so it was really fun
29:53to be with him
29:54and he was open to it.
29:55Were you,
29:55did it take any convincing
29:57to make yourself
29:57the subject of a documentary?
29:59Yes.
29:59Yeah.
30:00Yeah, I wasn't interested
30:01at all in doing a documentary
30:03and I said,
30:04I'll do it if Sophia does it.
30:06I mean, that was,
30:07that was the draw.
30:08I would imagine, too,
30:09like the beginning
30:10of a collection,
30:10you know,
30:11when you talk about,
30:11like when you start
30:12at nothing,
30:13it's like any piece
30:14of writing
30:14or any piece of art.
30:15Like there's literally
30:16nothing to it.
30:17Like do you feel
30:18more vulnerable then
30:19like in that part
30:20of the creative process?
30:21Do you?
30:22Yeah, I think
30:23that's always scary
30:24starting.
30:24Yeah.
30:25The blank page.
30:26Yeah, if someone was like,
30:26I want to do a documentary
30:27about you,
30:28we'd love to come
30:28when you have no ideas.
30:30Yeah.
30:31Yeah, great idea.
30:32Let's do it.
30:33Yeah.
30:33Yeah.
30:34I love being in that room.
30:35I love just being
30:37in a fashion design,
30:38like the workspace
30:39and just like the swatches
30:40on the wall.
30:41And it's interesting
30:42how you're old,
30:43you know,
30:43there's a moment
30:44where you talk about
30:44how something
30:45that didn't work earlier,
30:47you know,
30:47you bring back
30:48into a collection
30:48like that it finds
30:49its time back
30:50and it becomes relevant
30:51when it wasn't before.
30:53How often do you find
30:54you're pulling back
30:54into your own catalog
30:55of ideas?
30:56I don't do it deliberately.
30:58Things just kind of come up
30:59and like, you know,
31:00there was no plan
31:00like let's put this away
31:02to be re-looked at
31:03in the future.
31:04It was just like
31:05things come up
31:06and they feel right
31:08in that moment
31:09and you just kind of
31:10go for it.
31:10And sometimes we drop
31:11them again,
31:12but if we go for it
31:13and it works,
31:14it's great.
31:14We pull them out again.
31:15Yeah.
31:16Just sitting backstage,
31:17Mark was looking
31:18at my jacket
31:18and he said,
31:18oh, it's from
31:19a few years ago.
31:20And he said,
31:20oh, I wouldn't have
31:21put the satin trim
31:21on now.
31:23Like literally,
31:23literally just happened.
31:25And I was like,
31:25oh, I like the trim.
31:26I wouldn't have
31:26thought of it.
31:27Like Sophia's talking
31:28to me and I'm literally
31:29like, what the hell
31:29were we thinking
31:30when we put that?
31:32Well, one thing
31:33you can tell
31:34from the documentary
31:34is you're very hard
31:35on yourself.
31:36But I'm wondering
31:37when you watch
31:38a documentary like this
31:39that shows the breadth
31:39of your work
31:40and how long
31:41you've been doing it,
31:43can you step back
31:44and say,
31:45I know I'm hard
31:45on myself
31:46like in the individual
31:47moments,
31:47but this is all
31:48very nice.
31:48I did a very nice thing.
31:50Yeah.
31:50Yeah, a little bit.
31:52Right.
31:52I think there were
31:53so many really
31:54beautiful moments
31:54in that movie
31:55where we first
31:56met each other
31:57and like it was
31:58really nice
31:59kind of seeing
32:00those things
32:01and seeing
32:01those moments
32:02and I just,
32:03I do find now
32:04I can honestly
32:05say like,
32:06yeah, I'm proud
32:06of that.
32:07I'm glad I got
32:07to live that
32:08and be a part
32:09of that, you know?
32:10It's interesting
32:11because you are friends
32:12and I would imagine
32:13you know a lot
32:13of the answers
32:14that are important
32:15to ask for the purposes
32:16of us that don't
32:17know those answers,
32:17but were there things
32:19while you're making
32:20this film that you
32:20found out about Mark
32:21that you didn't know?
32:24Yeah, not so many surprises,
32:26but there was like
32:27a notorious moment
32:28during the grunge
32:29collection where
32:29we heard Mark
32:30got fired
32:31because it was
32:31so scandalous
32:32and he told me
32:34that actually
32:34wasn't true.
32:35It'd become a myth.
32:36Yeah.
32:37That was...
32:37A myth that I love.
32:38I mean, I love
32:40being this rebel,
32:41heretic, punk rocker,
32:43you know,
32:43but the reality
32:44was a little bit
32:45different than...
32:46Not as romantic.
32:47Not quite as dramatic
32:48as that.
32:49They caught you
32:49stealing sugar
32:50from the break.
32:51That was it.
32:52It was a way less...
32:53It was like,
32:54give me the sugar.
32:56What is your...
32:57I mean, I imagine,
32:58you know,
32:58one of the things...
32:59Because, again,
33:00this is your first documentary.
33:01Like, did you talk
33:02to other documentary
33:03filmmakers ahead of time?
33:05Because I imagine
33:05so much of it
33:06is making yourself
33:07invisible
33:08so that you can catch...
33:09Especially when
33:10the creative processes
33:11are on film.
33:11It's not just people
33:12talking to Cameron
33:14testimonials.
33:14Yeah, I just...
33:15I just tried to be
33:16as invisible.
33:18But I know the people
33:18at the studio,
33:19so they were welcoming
33:20to me.
33:20It was sort of fun
33:21to get to be part
33:22of their team
33:22and follow them around.
33:24But, yeah,
33:25I just tried to...
33:27Sometimes I would
33:28just go by myself
33:28and a little camera.
33:29It wasn't like
33:30a big professional crew.
33:31You would hide
33:31in the racks of clothes.
33:33Yeah, yeah.
33:33No, it was either
33:34Sophia or Sophia and Roman.
33:36I mean, that was the crew.
33:37Yeah.
33:38That helps.
33:38So, yeah.
33:39Do you find...
33:40Were you aware
33:41that you would forget
33:42they were there?
33:43Like, would you just
33:44go about your process
33:45as you would otherwise?
33:46Yeah, we were all
33:47just comfortable.
33:48I don't think we even
33:49had to try
33:50and, like, forget
33:51they were there
33:51because it was just
33:53really so, like,
33:55casual and easy
33:56and, yeah.
33:57And I feel like
33:57Mark would get
33:58in the zone
33:58where he would zero in
33:59on, like, the difference
34:00between two shades
34:01of beige
34:02and, like, he was
34:03in the zone.
34:04So it was fun
34:04to see that
34:05and I think...
34:06I mean, you even
34:07say it's about,
34:08you know, there's a...
34:09It's very similar
34:09to being a film director
34:10and when I...
34:11I've obviously
34:12never directed a film
34:12but I've been on set
34:13when friends
34:14are directing films
34:14and it is...
34:15There is a similarity
34:16like where you have
34:16to make what
34:17to the untrained eye
34:19look like very
34:20small choices.
34:22Do you feel like
34:23it is, like,
34:24making a film?
34:24Yeah.
34:25I mean, I think
34:25that whole process,
34:27the creative process
34:28from what I know
34:29is, like, that idea
34:31of, like, telling a story
34:32but then getting so
34:33into the details
34:35of that story
34:35and I think that's
34:37part of the beauty
34:37of it, you know,
34:38is to get to be
34:39a part of, like,
34:40every single decision
34:41and choice and sound.
34:43You know, all of it
34:44is, like, really cool.
34:45Yeah, you don't strike me
34:46as a guy who, like,
34:46is gonna leave early
34:47and be like,
34:47you guys do the buttons.
34:48No.
34:50No.
34:51Not the buttons.
34:52No, I need to be
34:53involved in the buttons.
34:54Yeah.
34:56A lot of this takes place
34:57in the 90s
34:58and it's very...
34:59I mean, so exciting.
35:01I moved here
35:01right after the 90s
35:02but, like,
35:03New York in the 90s
35:04does seem like
35:05it was an exceptional
35:05time to be here.
35:06Is that your experience
35:07of it?
35:08Yeah, it was so fun
35:09to revisit that time
35:10and I'd forgotten
35:11about the X-Girls show,
35:12the show we worked on.
35:13Outlaw show.
35:14Yeah, we did on the street
35:15and just to remember
35:16that time of being
35:18in New York
35:19and we have Beastie Boys
35:21in that era
35:22so it was fun.
35:23Did you,
35:24looking back,
35:25what was the best thing
35:26about the 90s
35:26that people who live
35:27in New York now
35:28are...
35:28No smartphones.
35:29No smartphones, yeah.
35:30Yeah, no phones.
35:30No social media.
35:32Yeah.
35:32Yeah.
35:33And you just would
35:33run into people
35:34that weren't as many plans
35:35because you weren't
35:36all connected.
35:37Yeah, and haters
35:38would just come up to you
35:39and tell you
35:39how much they hated you.
35:41Well, that's nice.
35:42They had to put
35:42a little effort in,
35:43you know?
35:43They'd get up
35:44from their table,
35:45go across the restaurant
35:46and say, like,
35:47you know what I hate
35:47about you?
35:48I mean...
35:49And that's a connection
35:50we've lost.
35:51Yeah.
35:51Yeah.
35:52Sad.
35:52It is sad.
35:54It is sad.
35:55I forgot about...
35:55I did not...
35:56Your X show,
35:57which I was
35:58less aware of then.
35:59I recently saw that
36:00on social media.
36:01When did you start
36:01making that?
36:02I was helping
36:04Kim Gordon and Daisy.
36:06They were doing
36:06X Girl and asked me
36:08to help with the show.
36:09I don't know how
36:09I got involved,
36:10but it was just fun.
36:11We did a fashion show
36:11on the street.
36:12Yeah.
36:12And, yeah,
36:13it was a fun time.
36:14It's a very fun,
36:15like, guerrilla filmmaking,
36:16like, lo-fi time as well.
36:18It's when Chloe Sevigny
36:19started.
36:20She was the model.
36:20I know,
36:21and she was the model
36:21in our Sugarcane video.
36:22Oh, yeah.
36:23It was just a group
36:24of people at that time
36:25that were very...
36:26And we were talking
36:27about how, like,
36:28music and photography
36:29and fashion
36:29were all intertwining.
36:31Maybe it always is,
36:32but it felt like
36:33a fun time.
36:34It certainly looks
36:36like a fun time.
36:37Was it...
36:37I mean, again,
36:38what was your experience
36:39doing a documentary
36:40for the first time?
36:40Was there a part of it
36:41that was a great deal
36:43harder than the stuff
36:44you've worked on,
36:45what you've written?
36:46Yeah, I mean,
36:46it was scary
36:47not having a script.
36:48It's like not having a map
36:49and trying to figure out
36:50where you're going,
36:50and I wanted to do
36:51a good job
36:52because it's my friend,
36:53Mark,
36:53and I love his work,
36:54and I wanted to share that,
36:55but I just focused on
36:56trying to capture
36:57what it's like
36:58to be with him
36:59and also show
37:00how his creative process,
37:02because I think
37:02it's really exciting
37:03to see how people
37:03make things
37:04and that we all
37:05go through the same moments
37:06of it's all a mess
37:07and is it ever
37:07going to come together?
37:08Yeah, she had no map
37:09and I had no map
37:10in what I was doing either,
37:11which I guess
37:12was the real similarity
37:13as we're like...
37:14We were in it together.
37:14We'll see where this takes us.
37:15Well, especially,
37:16I mean, you know what,
37:17again, when they...
37:18Footage of your fashion shows,
37:19it's hard to imagine
37:20that because of the way
37:21they're such a clean vision.
37:23I think it's actually
37:24helpful for creative people
37:25to see that, like,
37:26there's a great deal
37:26of doubt before that.
37:28Yeah, a great deal.
37:29And I always think
37:30for young people,
37:31it should be like,
37:31nobody, like, sees...
37:32This isn't the first thing
37:33they see.
37:34This is like a whole process
37:35that gets to this.
37:37You, at a Met Ball once,
37:38wore one of my favorite
37:39outfits of all time.
37:41Yes.
37:41Mark Curtis.
37:41This is...
37:42Simple lace dress.
37:44Simple lace dress.
37:45Brooks Brothers boxers.
37:46The reason I bring it up
37:47is that I hosted
37:48the CFDA Awards
37:50that year,
37:51and I chose to also
37:54wear the outfit.
37:56And you were there
37:57that night,
37:58and I will say,
37:58I thought it was
37:59Anna Wintour's idea.
38:00She's like,
38:01you have to wear it,
38:01it'll be so funny.
38:02And I was like,
38:03oh my God,
38:03it will be so funny.
38:04And I put it on,
38:05and Sophia,
38:06I was like,
38:07this is the most comfortable
38:08I've ever been in my life.
38:09Did you have
38:10Brooks Brothers boxers?
38:11I had everything.
38:12Well, that was the thing,
38:13it's Anna Wintour's idea.
38:14I'm not like,
38:15I have white boxers.
38:16She's like,
38:16not those white boxers.
38:18Oh my God,
38:19that's so funny.
38:19Yeah, I was very convinced
38:20it was me up there.
38:22It's like,
38:23how can that be?
38:23I'm sitting here,
38:24and he's up there.
38:25I will say,
38:26the nicest thing about it
38:27is I had about
38:27like two months of,
38:28it's the best shape
38:29I've been in my life
38:30when I knew I was going to.
38:30Same.
38:31When I was going to wear this
38:32in a room full of fashion people,
38:33I'm not like,
38:34I was like,
38:34carb-free.
38:35Same.
38:36Yeah.
38:36All right,
38:36well, that's good to know.
38:37You don't come by
38:38at Nashville.
38:38I remember my date
38:39for the Met that night
38:40when he picked me up
38:41at the house.
38:42He said, like,
38:42you're not wearing that,
38:43are you?
38:43And I was like,
38:44hell yeah,
38:44I'm wearing that.
38:45I was like,
38:46I've been in the gym
38:47for a year to wear this.
38:49It's a wonderful film,
38:51and it's just so lovely
38:52to have you both here.
38:53Thank you so much
38:53for making the time.
38:54You guys,
38:55that's Mark Baker,
38:56that's Sophia Coppola,
38:57Mark,
38:57that's Sophia B.
38:58We'll be in select theaters
38:58on March 20th,
38:59and he's alive
39:00on March 27th.
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39:47I want to thank my guest,
39:48Kurt Russell,
39:49Mark Jacobs,
39:50and Sophia Coppola.
39:51Thanks for all watching.
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