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00:01This program documents actual homicide investigations.
00:05Criminal charges are often dropped or reduced,
00:07and all suspects shown are presumed innocent unless proven guilty.
00:20A quiet afternoon in Lawrenceville, Georgia.
00:25A woman finds her brother on the floor of his home.
00:30She's dead and calls 9-1-1.
00:49On the wall, it looks like you were stumbling.
00:52I didn't see any force in you.
00:55Not on the front door, not on the back door.
01:00There is a little bit of one on his bed frame.
01:03It looks like where he may have hit it and then fallen over.
01:06You know, after he had passed.
01:08I'll check him out.
01:10The medical examiner's office will conduct an autopsy
01:13to determine cause of death.
01:15You want me to call Sergeant Ricker to tell him?
01:17No, I'm going to call him.
01:17Once I knew him.
01:23This is Corporate York.
01:29When they did the autopsy, they actually noticed some of the wounds in the area of the neck.
01:34Dr. Terry says she's going to deem it a homicide.
01:47For homicide detectives, their chance of solving a murder is cut in half if they don't get a lead within
01:55the first 48 hours.
02:02Due to the fact that this happened over the weekend, we're going to pull in other members of the unit.
02:06Because I'm behind the eight ball and got a little catch up to do.
02:20Saturday night, we had a suspicious death.
02:23Guy laying face down.
02:24Uniform goes out, sees him.
02:25He's laying at the foot of his bed.
02:29His name's Ray Neal.
02:3361-year-old Ray Neal, known to friends as Raybone, was born in Lawrenceville, Georgia.
02:40He had a daughter and three sons.
02:44Recently diagnosed with cirrhosis of the liver, Ray had been relying on help from friends and family for day-to
02:50-day tasks.
02:53This guy's got 47 stabbing.
02:56He's got two to the back, one on the neck, one to the left shoulder.
03:00One actually goes through and through, but all the wounds are two and a half to three inches deep.
03:06It's personal, stabbing him like that.
03:10What uniform got when they went out on a Friday evening?
03:13His sister picks him up at the Chevron on Langley Drive around 4 p.m., brings him back to the
03:18address on Lexington.
03:21Saturday morning, his sister, they go inside and find him obviously face down next to the bed.
03:26And his body is covered up with two blankets.
03:29Like, intentionally covered up?
03:31Probably.
03:32And then they call police out.
03:35There was no bloody knife in the bedroom.
03:39There was a knife on the TV stand, but it was clean.
03:45Maybe he was face down, stabbed him in the back.
03:48I don't know.
03:50The family took the guy's phone, so they started going through the phone themselves.
03:55There are a few calls around like 519 a.m.
03:59Hegwood's working on getting the phones downloaded.
04:01I'm doing the search warrant.
04:03Focus on the scene and redo the scene and we'll get all your stuff there and then interview you people
04:08later.
04:10At this stage in the game, we're going to do another secondary search warrant out the house.
04:14I want to do some additional fingerprint.
04:16Maybe do some blue star.
04:18You comfortable with the sister?
04:21She's going to meet me out of the house anyways.
04:31This guy, as old as he is, I'm just wondering if he's established himself in the community to where we
04:37might get some tips.
04:39Once people learn that, you know, it was a homicide, people may know who he hangs out with.
04:45I believe that right now, whoever stabbed our victim, it was personal.
04:49It's just a matter of figuring out who he was with or who would have had a beef with him.
05:01Walk through and then I'll go talk to the sister.
05:06He was dead next to the bed.
05:09He did not have a wallet or ID card, no cash, nothing.
05:15I mean, that's blood, right?
05:16Yeah, that was blood.
05:19Blood evidence in the bathroom.
05:22The light plate.
05:24Let's pull that light switch and process that.
05:28Bridge detail, maybe four fingerprints.
05:32And then blue star.
05:34The bedroom, the hallway, and the bathroom.
05:37I'm going to go out there.
05:45Hey, I'm sorry to bother you. You live here?
05:47Yeah.
05:49We're investigating a homicide over here.
05:51Friday into Saturday.
05:52Uh-huh.
05:53Did you notice anything suspicious?
05:56There's so much traffic be in and out that place.
05:58I don't know what be going on, sir.
06:00OK.
06:00You know, like, it's just me and my son live here.
06:02Right, right.
06:03And I mind my own business.
06:05How long does the people want more hanging around?
06:08It's not very, very long.
06:10You know, I just noticed, like, cars come, leave, come.
06:15OK.
06:16Two, three minutes leave, go in, come out the house.
06:20OK.
06:20You know, all the way up to, like, sometime 1230, 1 o'clock in the morning.
06:25OK.
06:26I hope you find out what's going on over there,
06:29because that's pretty close to my house.
06:31Yeah, we're going to do everything within our means
06:33to figure out what happened.
06:43I believe there's drug activity going on in this house.
06:45OK?
06:45I'll just put it out on the table.
06:49I'm going to talk to the sister.
06:51Hi, Ms. Smalls.
06:52Can you entertain me for a little bit?
06:53Yes.
06:54OK.
06:59My name's Corporal York, and I'm sorry for whatever occurred.
07:03We're going to do everything we can to, you know,
07:05answer the question that you guys had.
07:07Can you just kind of tell me as the vets go?
07:11So let me go back to Friday.
07:13He had been drinking.
07:15Did your brother have a problem drinking?
07:18Or was that a problem?
07:18Just last six months, he was going back and forth to the doctor.
07:21Something about the doctor told him he was like borderline
07:24having cirrhosis of the liver and he need to stop drinking.
07:27OK.
07:28Well, he was drinking beer.
07:31I brought him home.
07:33It was about 5.30 or so.
07:36And I told him, I said, don't leave this house no more today.
07:40He said, OK, bye.
07:42And I locked the door and closed it.
07:43OK.
07:44That was the last I seen out of him.
07:49Is there anyone else you can think of that would have any reason to want to harm your brother?
07:54That's just it.
07:56I don't know who would want to hurt him.
08:01Whoever knew that he always had cash money on it.
08:04How much does he normally keep it?
08:07I'm sure he had a couple hundred dollars.
08:10Because we looked for it and there was no money in there.
08:15They took his money because he always had money and he had dough.
08:20What kind of?
08:22Crack.
08:22OK.
08:22Crack.
08:24Crack.
08:25Crack.
08:26Crack.
08:26Crack.
08:34Crack.
08:35Crack.
08:37Crack.
08:38Crack.
08:39Crack.
08:39Crack.
08:41Crack.
08:45Crack.
08:47Crack.
08:52been staying with him until a few days ago he had spent the night Wednesday night he might be
09:00able to tell you a lot more than I do because he he might be on the end scale of
09:05that side of him
09:07do you have a phone number for him I can get a phone number thank you
09:20there may be some missing money there may be some missing drugs but I mean the manner of
09:28attacking it it's it's it's personal it's extremely personal Corporal Dallas York calls
09:35the man who had been staying with Ray hey good evening my name is Corporal York the
09:41Grand Canyon Police Department I was wanting to see if you could meet with me I just want to talk
09:48to you in reference to an individual named Ray Neal what's convenient for you sir yeah that's fine
10:00all right thanks everybody and all in all I think we're we're still in a pretty decent position given
10:07the fact we were had such a delayed start so we'll see we'll see what it foretells we'll go at
10:14it in
10:26morning I want to look at the blue star York pulls up crime scene photos from Ray's house blue star
10:34is a chemical that makes the iron content and blood it'll show up bright blue when the lights are turned
10:43off there's the blue star coming out yeah definitely showing that's in the kitchen look at that
10:56with your naked eye you couldn't tell a majority of that especially on the scene look at this oh no
11:03kidding on the washing machine now that's interesting zoom into the washing machine that's a significant
11:13amount there was clothes in it there's a pillow in there oh that's interesting the pillow that was on it's
11:53look at all the drops
11:56smokes oh smokes so it was probably dripping off the knife and dripping off his hands
12:05there's those print remember yeah and we took that so maybe they can print that thing
12:18our victim's friend he was evidently staying with the victim see what he's got to say
12:27all right you might have a C right here sir how are you hey I'm corporal
12:37okay
12:58when's the last time you stayed over there
13:29Thursday night Thursday night Friday morning that's where my wife said we're kind of like going
13:30he never put money in the right pocket how much money do you typically see a month two hundred
13:53okay
14:11I don't know
14:15I got kids and grandkids now
14:20it's gonna be sort of bolts
14:35I mean he's got no injuries
14:50he gave us he gave us his DNA his fingerprints we got a lot of that type of evidence at
14:55the scene
14:56we need to eliminate him
14:59the prints are in blood on the sink
15:06the fingerprints on the light switch and sync do not have enough detail to make a comparison
15:12the DNA and stuff that's gonna take what four or five months to get back
15:26that's the clock winds down I thought we'd be a little bit further at least someone
15:33a kind of push us in the direction that I feel we need to go somebody had something out for
15:39him we
15:39just got to figure out who it was I just think it was the she um it just seems more
15:44like a female
15:45thing to stab somebody in the neck like that and then clean up immediately in the bathroom right
15:51outside the bedroom guys would have had a gun the knife is personal like they came over there she saw
15:57him sitting there and she just couldn't take it no more she grabbed a knife and what's the motive
16:02she's like god they gotta be angry at him and as that or if they're if they're in cocaine psychosis
16:07you can do a lot of crazy
16:08stuff in cocaine psychosis
16:11I hope that blood on the sink is your room yeah
16:14there's no way that's that good with a knife in order to do that much damage and not have a
16:20single cut on them
16:24have we seen anything on the phone yet there's not a lot of content in it trying to identify some
16:32of
16:32these individuals that our victim was talking to on his phone records is this one on there it's a boo
16:44who had sent a message about need sixty dollars who was the last cop
16:54on a phone number see if I can associate with a person
17:02Carmen Hunt
17:31it's in reference to a investigation involving a subject named Ray Neal
17:39if you would give me a call back I would appreciate it thank you
18:01boo's trying to call
18:04corporate york direct county police department
18:08are you familiar with Raybone
18:14okay let me ask you though the reason I'm calling is your your phone numbers coming up in his call
18:20records and I'm and I'd like to meet with you and show you this guy's picture see where he knows
18:25you
18:26from is that a possibility
18:30uh no that's fine um do you want to come to me or you want me to come out to
18:34you
18:35you can come to me okay
18:38am I in trouble
18:41uh no ma'am I just like I said you're going to come up in the phone records and I
18:44got to figure out where this guy knows you from
18:46thank you
18:47thank you ma'am
18:57that coming over here
18:58that's her
19:00Carmen arrives with her girlfriend
19:06hey miss Carmen I appreciate you meeting with me I'm York
19:12I'm working that homicide investigation okay and basically one of the phones that we downloaded had you as a contact
19:18and the number
19:20Ray Neal goes by Ray Bone Ray Bones
19:24I do not know my body body
19:27what does that do
19:32you know sometimes I go check on him and he might have been washing clothes or cook him something because
19:39I cook
19:40I always liked him
19:43okay let me let me show you uh just to confirm
19:48is this your number
19:50that's my number
19:52and what was the point of that
19:54I took him some food
19:56did you go in the house
19:57I did I was there for like 15 minutes
20:01I was straightening that up for him that's what I used to do for him
20:04did you do do you remember doing any laundry or anything while you were over there
20:08yeah he had to do a set of um
20:11he wanted some towels whatever was in that basket
20:13he wanted that wash
20:16there was a text message that you sent him
20:18uh Friday evening
20:20basically saying he needed $60 what was with that
20:23he was supposed to let me borrow some money
20:27I know this guy is a crack dealer
20:29okay
20:30that's confirmed
20:32can I ask you something too and I don't I'm not trying to offend you or anything it's just sort
20:36of helps with the investigation
20:38when's the last time you used crack
20:40it's been a little while
20:42it's been a little while
20:42I'm going to ask you
20:44yeah
20:45what happened
20:46he's dead
20:49somebody killed him
20:51how did he die though
20:53he was stabbed
20:57you know why they killed him
20:59it's what we're trying to figure out
21:04obviously this is emotional for you
21:09he didn't do nothing to nobody
21:14so when you went over there
21:15did you notice any blood
21:17no
21:19what was that call about
21:21they ask about her last phone call
21:23with Ray
21:25I called him back
21:26and I told him I was coming
21:27and I never went back
21:28he wanted me to bring him some more beer
21:30and she started tripping
21:32she said we weren't going back over there
21:35she says her girlfriend
21:36refused to take her back to Ray's house that night
21:40so you weren't in Lawrenceville at that time
21:42no
21:43I swear I was not in Lawrenceville
21:45I was with her
21:47if you want to ask her and talk to her
21:49you can
21:50you want to step over there and ask her
22:13give us some clarification on the day
22:14she said it was Friday
22:15okay
22:16said you guys were there
22:18seems like a really nice lady
22:23she tries to keep me straight
22:25because I'm not a bad person
22:26I got an education
22:27I work hard
22:29I work basically every single day
22:31okay
22:31I'm not out here
22:32taking or doing something for people
22:35okay
22:35like I work
22:36right
22:37and I work hard every single day
22:39sounds like she's a good person to have around
22:41she is
22:43she is
22:45did you hurt your hand there
22:46your right hand
22:47yes
22:48yeah
22:49yeah it's a burn
22:50it's a burn
22:51oh when did I have him
22:53about maybe a week and a half
22:57would you be okay with me
22:58they asked Carmen
22:59to submit DNA
23:00and fingerprints
23:02okay
23:10I appreciate you calling me back
23:12bye guys
23:13thank you ma'am
23:13thank you
23:16probably a good chance that Carmen was the last one that he saw that wasn't killing him
23:22I tend to believe her man
23:24yeah I do
23:25but I didn't get a bad vibe of her
23:27I think we could probably write her off
23:30and the friend's very calm and of very sane mind it appears
23:36we need help from people that know him
23:44I'm basically just making contact with every person that's ever made contact with your dad
23:48within the last two three months
23:50and then your dad didn't have any peace with anybody
23:52have you guys kind of heard anything
24:03she was locked up months before all this went down
24:07I mean what do you think
24:09he's old dude
24:09any of his people he may have sold it to
24:12would have had any reason to come back on him
24:17I'm getting frustrated
24:24two years into the investigation
24:28this case was he transferring to the cold case unit
24:32sergeant Micah Hedwood is assigned as lead investigator
24:36York did a ton of work on this case
24:39he went to the crime scene multiple times
24:41he interviewed probably 30 people
24:44York obtained a lot of fingerprints and DNA
24:47but they did not hit to anything
24:49you have to go into these cold cases like a jigsaw puzzle
24:52and there's always a missing piece or two
24:54and you're trying to figure out what those pieces look like
24:57all the physical evidence we've had it
24:59we just don't even know what to do with it
25:02that's true with a lot of cold cases
25:04you got to figure out what to do with the pieces that you already have
25:12detectives continue to work the case for three more years
25:17until finally
25:20a break
25:23I got a call from a family member of Ray Neal
25:27and this family member says Carmen Hunt did it
25:31and she did the same thing to somebody else
25:33she's in jail right now for that
25:36Carmen Hunt
25:37she had stabbed a very low level drug dealer in the back
25:42with a very large kitchen butcher knife
25:44it's almost the same exact knife that was used on Ray Neal
25:47the same circumstances but the only thing that was different is
25:52the second victim was up on his feet and was able to get away
25:56the victim of the second stabbing is one of Ray Neal's friends
26:01she was you know on our list of people since the day it occurred
26:07but right now we're going up to Hall County we're going to try to find a woman
26:11she was driving around Carmen Hunt the day Ray Neal was murdered
26:16hopefully she's not going to protect Carmen if she does know something
26:27I'm Sergeant Higwood
26:29Higwood finds the girlfriend
26:31it was with Carmen the night Ray Neal was killed
26:34this is football quarter
26:36let me preface this with I'm investigating homicide
26:41this incident happened in 2019
26:45when did you start to meet Carmen and y'all were dating at the time right
26:49we started dating
26:52in 2019
26:55the incident we're looking at is July 19th
26:59he's talking about older gentlemen
27:02did you know the gentleman at all that was passed away
27:06I did not
27:08on that day
27:10me and her
27:12I picked her up
27:14so the only gentleman in the house we went to
27:17she came back out
27:19we went to the Chevron
27:22she went into the bathroom
27:24she had totally smoked up the whole stuff
27:27so she was like
27:29I need to go get more
27:31so I was like okay
27:34so I took her back over to her
27:38and the next thing I know
27:39she told me to pull over to the quick trip
27:42she went into that bathroom
27:45I was like okay
27:46I don't know what the hell is going on
27:49but I'm done
27:51and so at that point in time
27:53I left her there
27:56she says she didn't see Carmen again that night
28:01so at what point did you start hearing from Carmen again
28:04when did I lose about Ray
28:07she says four days later
28:09after the media reported on Ray's death
28:11Carmen called her
28:13she had called me
28:15with this crazy story
28:17about how she had been into a fight
28:19dudes tried to attack her
28:23when you saw the news
28:25and you saw Ray was killed
28:27and like you knew you had already taken her over there twice that day
28:30did you suspect anything?
28:33no
28:34never did I think
28:35at that time
28:36that she did him like that
28:39did you ever just ask her
28:41if she knew what happened?
28:42I didn't want to know
28:43I didn't ask
28:45well I thank you for your time
28:47you're welcome
28:49I think that was good
28:52it's good
28:52it's not perfect
28:53I wish she had seen some injuries
28:55or like saw her after the murder
28:57I would like for CSI to look at that print
29:05crime scene actually had a bloody print
29:07from the bathroom light switch
29:10you can see the blood actually swipes
29:12like somebody's trying to reach for the switch
29:15but what you can't see from the naked eye
29:18is the print is actually right there
29:22in 2019
29:23they needed eight points within the print
29:26you know eight markers
29:29since then as technology has gotten better
29:31their techniques have gotten better
29:34they've actually cut that number down
29:36and now it's seven points
29:39and now we do have two bloody prints
29:42from the crime scene that are comparable
29:44and it does match two carmen hunks
30:02they actually identified carmen hunt
30:04right ring finger
30:05as the match
30:08I'm going to transfer her over here
30:10to police headquarters
30:11to try and interview her
30:12and I'm going to approach it
30:13as I'm interviewing everybody
30:15in this case
30:15get a statement out of her
30:17and then start confronting her
30:27the next day
30:28carmen is brought from
30:30Gwinnett County Jail
30:31to headquarters
30:32all right
30:34just to be clear
30:35I'm not here about your criminal cases
30:38I'm here because you were listed
30:40as a witness and friend for Ray Nill
30:43this ain't a setup right
30:45well
30:46you were listed as a witness
30:49let's just kind of go backwards
30:50and let's just go over what you do know
30:53and just for reference
30:55you know when he was killed
30:56it was like July 19th or July 20th
30:592019
31:01the reason I tell you that day
31:02because I kind of want to work backwards
31:04when did you see him?
31:07I think I see him the day before
31:10the injunction
31:12what made you start using?
31:15I was getting high with a friend
31:16weed
31:17I was smoking weed with a friend
31:18and we were drinking
31:19and this is honestly not true
31:20I never wanted to try crack
31:22I'm not a person that's like
31:23I want to try this drug
31:24it's new
31:25we were smoking weed
31:26I went to use a bathtub
31:27but when I came back
31:28I hit the bowl
31:29the weed
31:31and it had crack on it
31:33and I remember how it made me feel
31:34and it just took me
31:36man
31:36it took me
31:36it took me fast
31:39and about what age
31:40do you think you were
31:41when that happened?
31:43maybe 30s
31:45I'm 50 now
31:47what all have you done
31:48in your past
31:49in your lifetime
31:50to get the crack?
31:52oh I don't do things
31:53I don't have sex
31:54I don't steal
31:56and Ray's phone
31:57you were actually texting him
31:58on July 19th
31:59it was around 6.30pm
32:01and you asked him
32:03you needed $60
32:04was crack
32:06yes
32:07do you remember
32:08what you did
32:09when you went over there
32:12to Ray's?
32:13I just got the stuff in there
32:15because I think
32:16when you leave
32:17Ray's
32:18you actually go
32:19to a gas station
32:19do you remember that?
32:24and you went back
32:25to Ray's again
32:27after the gas station
32:29except this time
32:31you go to the quick trip
32:33and I got stuck
32:34in the quick trip
32:35and you went
32:36to the bathroom again
32:37yeah
32:38yeah
32:38I remember
32:40okay
32:42so that night
32:43though on July
32:4419th
32:45you actually
32:46called Ray again
32:48at 10.56pm
32:50which is going to be
32:51after the quick trip
32:52I didn't go back
32:54to his house
32:54after that other thing
32:57you sure?
32:59I don't think I did
33:02Carmen here's my concern
33:03is
33:04I'm worried something
33:05happened on that
33:05third trip to Ray's
33:07with you
33:09there's always
33:10two sides
33:10to every story
33:11and I know Ray
33:13likes to drink too
33:14right
33:15but I don't know
33:16what happened
33:16between you
33:17I mean
33:19nothing happened
33:20to me
33:20right
33:21no
33:23nothing happened
33:24between me and Ray
33:26well
33:26so here's the deal
33:29I've had my
33:30crime scene technicians
33:31go back
33:32and they've been
33:32looking at prints
33:33this is
33:35the light switch
33:36in Ray Neal's bathroom
33:37that's right outside
33:38the door
33:39and that's blood
33:40okay
33:41Ray Neal's blood
33:43so here's the same picture
33:45but this is using
33:47different lighting
33:48and they've put powder
33:49on there
33:50and when you zoom in
33:52your print
33:53is right there
33:55in blood
34:00I can even tell you
34:01which vendor it is
34:03that's how
34:03that's how
34:04precise this is
34:07so here's the deal
34:09Carmen
34:10I know
34:11you were there
34:13I'm not watching
34:14your print
34:14in Ray Neal's blood
34:17but this is your chance
34:18to tell me
34:19what actually happened
34:22explain it to me
34:24because
34:24I can now put your print
34:27literally in
34:27Ray Neal's blood
34:30which means
34:31you were there
34:32when he died
34:35there's no way
34:36around that
34:38can you just tell me
34:39what you remember
34:43did he do something
34:44to you
34:47you're trying to make me
34:48have sex with him
34:52everything I told you
34:53was the truth
34:53I said for that
34:54because I was ashamed
34:55he was trying to have
34:56sex with you
34:57I'm gay
34:57like I never even deal
34:58with him as sexually
35:00okay
35:01what was he demanding
35:02from you
35:03he was saying
35:04that I give him
35:04some
35:04and I said
35:05you know
35:06I'm not going to do that
35:08okay
35:09and he's like
35:10he waited for me
35:11to take a hit
35:11because he knows
35:12he started
35:13trying to fumble me
35:15very uncomfortable
35:17okay
35:17he made me feel
35:18disgusted
35:20and it enraged me
35:23he was trying to get
35:24up under my shirt
35:25and go down my pants
35:28I'm like
35:29I'm not going to
35:29with you
35:31he's like
35:31I'm drunk
35:32I'm tripping
35:34and I said
35:34you told me
35:35that I can chill here
35:37I don't have anywhere
35:38to go
35:40I know this is really
35:41uncomfortable
35:41I'm so sorry
35:42I'm so sorry
35:43I just need to
35:44understand clearly
35:45what happened
36:03he was grinding
36:04into me
36:05he was on top of me
36:07he was like
36:08you're going to give
36:09this up to me
36:10that's what I remember
36:11I'm hearing
36:12I remember his breath
36:12stinking like alcohol
36:14and he kept telling me
36:16that I was going to
36:16give it up to him
36:17that I basically
36:18I owed him
36:21when he was on top
36:22of me
36:22I just stabbed him
36:25okay
36:26where did the knife
36:27come from
36:28he had it on the dresser
36:30okay
36:31do you remember
36:32where you stabbed him
36:34no I just
36:35stabbed
36:35well how did he react
36:38he was like
36:39bitch you stabbed me
36:40and I was shocked
36:42and I was shocked
36:43I was shocked
36:43my eyes are big
36:45he comes for me
36:46and I just pushed him
36:48was he dead
36:48at that point
36:49already
36:49I don't know
36:50oh
36:51was he on the bed
36:52or did he fall on the floor
36:53he fell on the floor
36:56okay
36:56and I was just looking at him
36:58and um
36:59I couldn't look at him
37:00anymore
37:01when I did the cover
37:01I was scared
37:04okay
37:06after you left
37:07where did you go
37:09I went to the hotel
37:11in Grazleton
37:13okay
37:14I mean it does sound like
37:16you know
37:16you're remorseful
37:17what happened
37:17and I'm definitely
37:18gonna tell everybody
37:19that you were honest
37:20with me
37:22it's not right
37:24I just
37:24I was in a bad situation
37:26like
37:27if I didn't
37:28defend myself
37:29I know
37:30I know
37:30what was gonna happen
37:40if it went down
37:41the way you say
37:42how come you didn't
37:43report it
37:44I was scared
37:45I was just scared
37:46I was
37:46I was on drugs
37:47I didn't think
37:48nobody would believe me
37:50when you left
37:51did you leave
37:52with the crack
37:53that you came for
37:55yeah I had it
37:56I think
37:57you had it
37:58you remember
37:59how much it was
38:00no
38:01I do have to charge you
38:02with murder
38:04okay
38:04and I understand
38:06right now
38:07in your mind
38:08there's a self-defense
38:10issue going on
38:11but I think
38:12that's something
38:13that I'm gonna have
38:14to let the courts
38:14decide on
38:15you understand that
38:17I understand
38:37when these cases
38:38come to the cold case unit
38:40we never close them
38:42they stay in this active state always
38:45and we're always just waiting
38:46for that little spark
38:47that can lead us in a direction
38:50towards a suspect
38:51and that's what happened
38:53in this case
38:55I just needed that little piece
38:57to let me focus on one person
39:00I had a feeling
39:01confronted with the fact
39:03she was probably gonna
39:04at least change her story
39:07the fingerprint really
39:08did its job
39:09I showed the pictures
39:11instead of just telling her
39:12so she couldn't think
39:13I was bluffing
39:14she came off of it
39:15pretty quickly after that
39:17I think she had been
39:18carrying this weight
39:19on her
39:19for four or five years now
39:22and uh
39:24not that she wanted
39:24to confess
39:25but at the same time
39:26I think it was
39:26a load off of her
39:52that's his arm
39:54he had this little blue hat
39:55that he used to wear
39:56and he looked like
39:57Paddington one day
39:58and so that name
39:59kind of stuck with him
40:00so when he did pass away
40:02we had a Paddington bear
40:04and we took the hat
40:05off the bear
40:05and we put it on here
40:06and this is Paddington
40:07and he sits up there
40:10and he chills
40:15his daughter
40:16and both of his
40:18granddaughters
40:20that was back in
40:212016
40:25yeah you had to know him
40:26he was
40:26he was an excellent
40:28chess player
40:30he would go
40:31sometimes up to the
40:32courthouse
40:32and sit with the older
40:34man up there
40:34and play chess
40:36I talked to him
40:38and as a dad
40:39I talked to a son
40:40and tried to
40:42tell him what to do
40:43how to go about
40:44life and things
40:46I loved him
40:48he kept it strictly
40:49old school
40:50loving
40:50family man
40:52you know
40:54we always
40:55get together
40:56either here
40:57my house
40:58we're gonna get together
40:58have fun
40:59laugh
40:59love each other
41:01regardless of whether
41:02you hated each other
41:03two days ago
41:03it's time to eat
41:04it's time to ball
41:05and it's time to have fun
41:06let's
41:06let's love it out
41:07so yes
41:08that is what we do
41:10it's not the same
41:11it's not
41:12it's not the same
41:13without Ray here
41:15my uncle's not here
41:16to tell his story
41:17my uncle
41:18my uncle didn't live
41:19to tell his story
41:19my uncle didn't live
41:20to say anything
41:22someone went to my dad's house
41:24and killed her
41:25for no reason
41:28Michelle was my mom
41:29which was
41:30Ray's baby sister
41:33Ray's sister
41:34who found him
41:35in his home
41:35died three years later
41:39their bond
41:40was just unbreakable
41:41and my mother
41:42I think
41:43to be honest
41:44my mother died
41:45slowly of a broken heart
41:47she kind of blamed herself
41:48because why did I take him home
41:49I did
41:50I shouldn't have took him home
41:51or what could I have done
41:54Ray passing away in 2019
41:56then his mother
41:57passing away in 2022
41:59and then six months later
42:00his sister passed away
42:02in October of 22
42:05you have to
42:07somehow or another
42:08find yourself
42:10to get through it
42:12we ain't recovered
42:15I know I struggle
42:16my dad struggles
42:18my brother struggles
42:19Phil struggles
42:20we all struggle
42:24on a daily basis
42:26we're just grateful
42:27that you know
42:28it finally came to an end
42:29those five years
42:30waiting
42:31just hoping
42:32that something
42:33would happen
42:33and it happened
42:35and got some closure
42:36so we're good
42:37you know
42:38you
42:39you
42:42you
42:43you
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