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00:00:00Sous-titrage Société Radio-Canada
00:00:30How did he become so wealthy?
00:00:33How did he ingratiate himself into the exact right social circles?
00:00:38How did he get away without being caught for so long?
00:00:49I never could have anticipated how diabolical Jeffrey Epstein was.
00:00:58There's something deeply fucked up with you.
00:01:01At least something.
00:01:02Well, we know there are things deeply fucked up with us.
00:01:05You will get through in this film, right?
00:01:06Where I come from, you don't kill my brother and look away from that.
00:01:12What are the Epstein files?
00:01:15The Epstein files are all the information that the government has regarding Jeffrey Epstein and his co-conspirators.
00:01:25Photographic evidence.
00:01:27Interviews of victims.
00:01:29Emails written to him.
00:01:30Text messages.
00:01:32Court documents.
00:01:33FBI reports and it is much more expansive than you had ever even imagined.
00:01:41People want to see names.
00:01:43They want to know who the sex traffickers are.
00:01:45They want to know who the pedophiles are.
00:01:47And they want vengeance.
00:01:50Do you know the names of powerful people who have not yet been named publicly?
00:01:56Yes.
00:01:57Congressman Conor.
00:01:59Hello, I'm Grace Tobin from Australia.
00:02:02Why do you think it's a fight that has united a very divided political spectrum here?
00:02:07You can't rape underage girls.
00:02:09You can't cover that up.
00:02:11Trump opened up Pandora's box.
00:02:14He thought that he could crack it open slightly and shut it.
00:02:18But the curse is not going back into the box.
00:02:22I don't understand why the president fought it so hard.
00:02:25Releasing the Epstein files is about revealing all of that dirty, nasty, horrible things that happened.
00:02:33Why would he cover this up?
00:02:35I think he's protecting rich and powerful men who participated in sex trafficking.
00:02:41Three million pages.
00:02:44180,000 images.
00:02:46The latest dump from the Epstein files after weeks of political pressure.
00:02:51That moment created global shockwaves.
00:02:54A day of extreme jeopardy for Sir Keir Starmer.
00:02:57Norway's crown princess is facing intense scrutiny.
00:03:01Extraordinary news out of the UK.
00:03:03The former Prince Andrew has been arrested.
00:03:05The Epstein files are part of the Epstein story.
00:03:09You have to understand how the Epstein files fit into what Epstein was doing and the failures of the U
00:03:14.S. government and doing their job.
00:03:17The Epstein story has one man at its center.
00:03:21One spider in the center of the web.
00:03:24But that web could not have been constructed without complicity.
00:03:31Do you think you're the devil himself?
00:03:34No, but I do have a good mirror.
00:03:59We are going to turn now to the debate in Washington over the release of the Jeffrey Epstein files.
00:04:03Today, a group of survivors of the Epstein controversy will be here on Capitol Hill.
00:04:08Urgent new calls for transparency from Epstein survivors, 24 of whom are now re-upping their demand that Congress release
00:04:15all of the Epstein files.
00:04:17It's an honor to stand here for something America is finally united on.
00:04:23The immediate release of the entire Epstein files.
00:04:29There's approximately 1,200 women that were victims of Jeffrey Epstein, and they say other men.
00:04:37They've wanted justice, and they've fought very hard for it.
00:04:41We are more than victims.
00:04:43We are mothers, daughters, sisters, friends, and we will not be erased.
00:04:48Some of these women have been at this 20 years.
00:04:52Some of them had, I believe, almost given up.
00:04:56But the fact that they were invited to the Capitol of the United States to speak truth to power,
00:05:02and that every media outlet, you know, showed up, they're renewed in their efforts.
00:05:11This is me when I met Jeffrey Epstein in 1991.
00:05:17This is me when I met Jeffrey Epstein.
00:05:21A lot of us, it was the first time that we had spoken publicly.
00:05:25My name is Dani Benski.
00:05:27This was me at 17 years old.
00:05:30So we were just kind of standing in solidarity with each other and saying to the world, like,
00:05:37there's more of us than you thought.
00:05:39My name is Marina Lacerda.
00:05:42I was Minor Victim 1.
00:05:43My name is Jenna Lisa Jones, and I was only 14 years old.
00:05:47My name is Shantae Davies.
00:05:49My name is Laura Bloom McGee.
00:05:51My name is Haley Robson.
00:05:52My name is Anushka DiGiorgio.
00:05:53My name is Courtney White.
00:05:54My name is Lisa Phillips.
00:05:56My name is Ashley Rubright, and I am a survivor of Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell.
00:06:05When you're a survivor of abuse from a serial predator, you just have this bond with the other survivors.
00:06:13We understand each other like nobody else can.
00:06:21It's been a tremendous mountain to move to get here.
00:06:30It took an incredible outcry from the public, huge political will, and it took the blood, sweat, and tears of
00:06:38the survivors.
00:06:39And that's many, many tears from the survivors to get here.
00:07:04So, we're just heading in to meet with Ashley Rubright, who is a survivor of Jeffrey Epstein.
00:07:11And she's only just started speaking out publicly about what happened to her.
00:07:17I think we're this house here.
00:07:22Hi, Ashley.
00:07:23How are you?
00:07:24Good.
00:07:24How are you?
00:07:24It's nice to meet you.
00:07:25It's so nice to meet you.
00:07:26Thank you so much for having us.
00:07:28Of course.
00:07:29Oh, it's still very Christmassy in here, isn't it?
00:07:31Yes.
00:07:37When did you meet Jeffrey Epstein?
00:07:41So, it was about 2002 to 2003, and I would have been about 15.
00:07:53I was going to Summit Christian School.
00:07:59I was a cheerleader.
00:08:01I was in dance, like jazz, hip-hop, ballet.
00:08:06I was working at a barbecue restaurant, and one of my co-workers, he asked me one day in the
00:08:14restaurant
00:08:14if I would like to give a man a massage for $200.
00:08:21I thought about it for a second and said, sure.
00:08:31I just remember pulling into his house in Palm Beach.
00:08:39And we were led into the kitchen.
00:08:45And then Sarah Kellen came in, his assistant, said it was time.
00:08:55And then Sarah, she's the one that led me upstairs.
00:09:02I didn't look around.
00:09:03I was just looking down.
00:09:04So, all I remember was the pink carpet on the spiral staircase.
00:09:15She opened the door and said, all right, I'll be back in an hour.
00:09:23I was shocked when I walked into the bathroom.
00:09:31But then I calmed myself down, thinking, of course he's naked, because that's how people get massages.
00:09:38And I should just not be so shocked.
00:09:46He just kind of laid on the table, and then he told me how to massage him.
00:09:56Then he flipped over, and...
00:10:04Things got really way more inappropriate there.
00:10:10And he asked me to take off my bra, and to pull up my skirt.
00:10:22And...
00:10:26He was touching himself the whole time.
00:10:30I was just trying not to look.
00:10:33And...
00:10:34He would grab me, grab my behind, and...
00:10:42I was just trying to not be there, you know, at that time.
00:10:49And...
00:10:51He finished, and hopped up, and...
00:10:57Then Sarah came in and led me back downstairs.
00:11:03I felt shocked.
00:11:06And then I remember...
00:11:09Trying to rationalize it.
00:11:11That it had to have just been like a flip.
00:11:15A one-time thing that he just couldn't control.
00:11:22I did go back one more time.
00:11:25The second time, it escalated.
00:11:29I just remember Jeffrey bringing over a basket, and asking me to pick one, and asking me if I knew
00:11:36how to use it.
00:11:37And he had me sit on the bathroom floor, and he sat on the edge of the massage table.
00:11:45And I remember what happened.
00:11:48A basket of sex toys.
00:11:51Yes, thank you for saying that.
00:11:52Yeah, that's okay.
00:12:01So this was 2,000.
00:12:05And these are all just, like, happy messages.
00:12:10I read some of my yearbooks, and it was such a drastic change.
00:12:18Right after Jeffrey, the messages, even my face, everything had started to just look darker.
00:12:29This one says, we had fun when you're not so mad.
00:12:33Or you're sweet when you're not mad, yeah.
00:12:37I was angry, and I...
00:12:40I didn't care who got the brunt of it.
00:12:44At all.
00:12:45Yeah.
00:12:47I stopped cheerleading.
00:12:50I stopped dance.
00:12:53And I kind of went from, like, trying to do good to just not caring.
00:13:03Did you tell anyone what happened to you?
00:13:07Just my friend Sean.
00:13:09But nobody else.
00:13:13I didn't think there was a story to tell, really, you know?
00:13:24Mr. Epstein, is it true you were born January 20th, 1953?
00:13:30Yes.
00:13:31Where?
00:13:32New York.
00:13:34Where in New York?
00:13:35Brooklyn.
00:13:38Brooklyn.
00:13:49Hey, Adam.
00:13:50Hi, Grace.
00:13:51How are you?
00:13:51Pleasure to meet you.
00:13:52Nice to meet you, too.
00:13:53Thanks so much for doing this with us.
00:13:55My pleasure.
00:13:56My pleasure.
00:14:00Adam, can you tell me a bit about yourself?
00:14:04Well, I've been a legal journalist for close to two decades now.
00:14:08And the Southern District of New York was my longtime beat.
00:14:12So you see a lot of cases of national and international significance going into that court.
00:14:20And one of them just happened to be Epstein's.
00:14:29We are in Coney Island, Coney Island, Brooklyn.
00:14:43We're right near where Jeffrey Epstein grew up.
00:14:49And this is actually the Seagate community in the distance right there, Jeffrey Epstein's childhood home.
00:15:02Jeffrey Epstein had a modest upbringing in an immigrant community in Brooklyn.
00:15:07His father worked at the New York City Parks Department.
00:15:10His mother worked at a school.
00:15:12And he had a younger brother, Mark.
00:15:16He had a lifelong fascination with math and, by all accounts, was pretty good at it.
00:15:26This is the Dalton Prep School.
00:15:31It is where he got his first job.
00:15:36Even though he was a college dropout, his first job was at a very prestigious school where he was a
00:15:43math teacher.
00:15:45One of the parents of a student introduced him to the CEO of Bear Stearns, a man named Ace Greenberg,
00:15:52where he got his first job on Wall Street.
00:16:05We are on Wall Street, where Jeffrey Epstein made his fortune.
00:16:14He was, by all accounts, very charming.
00:16:18Jeffrey Epstein tried to, throughout his life, make connections with people with money and power.
00:16:25He was able to get people to trust him very quickly.
00:16:32He won the trust of billionaires like Leslie Wexner, who gave him power of attorney.
00:16:38He won the trust of Leon Black, who paid him hundreds of millions of dollars, far above the market rates.
00:16:48And from there, there is a lot of mystery, but we're getting a picture more and more of him finagling
00:16:58people, wheeling and dealing,
00:17:01and ultimately became fabulously wealthy.
00:17:05This is Jeffrey Epstein's Upper East Side townhouse, mansion, and the famous lantern over the door.
00:17:17He had a massage room in there.
00:17:21He had the dining room where he entertained.
00:17:26I mean, the photos really do tell the story.
00:17:33Jeffrey Epstein met Ghislaine Maxwell in the early 1990s.
00:17:39As the daughter of a media tycoon with a British accent, she brought something that Jeffrey Epstein didn't have.
00:17:45They had access to the elite.
00:17:52They socialized with politicians, with big names in academia, finance, you name it.
00:17:58Whether it was the man known at the time as Prince Andrew.
00:18:03Or whether it was former President Bill Clinton.
00:18:07He had his private island in the U.S. Virgin Islands, a ranch outside of Santa Fe, property in Palm
00:18:17Beach and in Paris.
00:18:22He was flaunting his jet-setting lifestyle and his massive wealth.
00:18:36Looking at me like you love me.
00:18:38I saw you.
00:18:42Okay, so now I'm walking towards the lily pond.
00:18:47C'est un honneur de stand here on the beach by myself.
00:18:50This is my swimming pool, my beach.
00:18:53No one's allowed to dock here.
00:18:57The luncheon place.
00:18:59The nursery.
00:19:02On the point there is the library.
00:19:08C'est un honneur de stand here again
00:19:11pour quelque chose America's finally united on.
00:19:15Immediate release of the entire editing files.
00:19:25So these are just my modeling pictures.
00:19:27Like when I started out, this is when I was 17.
00:19:32I would send these to modeling agencies to get started.
00:19:37I was a fashion model in New York,
00:19:39had worked my way up since I was 15 or 16 years old.
00:19:42So this is from the actual week I met Jeffrey.
00:19:45Ah.
00:19:46The year 2000, and I had booked like a really big job.
00:19:50Our agent at the time, Jeff, sent us to Tortola on the Caribbean Sea.
00:19:59Tortola was a small island.
00:20:01There was really not that much to do there.
00:20:03So the other model was like, you know, we have a free day tomorrow.
00:20:06She suggested we go see her friend, you know, Jeffrey Epstein that owned an island nearby.
00:20:12Yeah, we were both like maybe 22 years old.
00:20:16Spent the day just like playing in the pool and the ocean and there I met two other young blonde
00:20:23girls.
00:20:25Went to dinner that evening and I met Jeffrey Epstein.
00:20:29He was laser focused on me and asking so many questions about my childhood and my dreams and aspirations.
00:20:38I told him in that time that we had shared on the island that I wanted to be a forward
00:20:42model.
00:20:43And I kind of built up this trust with this man.
00:20:49Getting ready to go to sleep, there just was a knock at the door.
00:20:51And one of the other young girls poked her head in and was like, Jeffrey's ready for his massage now.
00:20:57And I'm just like, okay, will you go ahead? I'm going to bed.
00:20:59And she was just like, no, he said for you to give the massage.
00:21:05Long story short, like I just had to go.
00:21:09And so I experienced, you know, sexual abuse that evening from Jeffrey and the other girl that was there.
00:21:40I think when you're younger, you always blame yourself. Like what did I do? Was I flirting with this guy?
00:21:45Like I went home and I kind of wanted nothing to do with him after that.
00:21:49And a few months had passed and he called me.
00:21:55A lot of my modeling castings will be here in Soho.
00:21:58Right up here, when I was walking right up here was where I got the call from Jeffrey.
00:22:03He was very brief and to the point that he had remembered, you know, my goals and ambitions that I
00:22:09told him on the island.
00:22:10That I wanted to be a Ford model, big dream of mine, and that he knew the owner of the
00:22:14Ford modeling agency and for me to go over there and meet with her.
00:22:19And I was just thinking whatever happened to me on the island wasn't good, but maybe he was trying to
00:22:24make up for it, you know, by saying, I remember your goal.
00:22:28Well, I can help you out.
00:22:29During that time, were you ever abused by Epstein again or any men in his orbit?
00:22:38So, yeah, I was abused by him again and through his connections where he would send me on auditions and
00:22:45things.
00:22:46But back then I wasn't aware that I was trafficked.
00:22:51Can you explain a bit more about how the trafficking operation worked?
00:22:56Well, auditions are castings by Epstein.
00:22:58So it's like, oh, let me just send you.
00:23:00My friend is casting a really big film right now.
00:23:03And you're sent somewhere where all of a sudden your proposition for sex and the people around you are enforcing
00:23:11it.
00:23:14Just thought it was the business.
00:23:16Just thought I was going to a casting, an audition, working.
00:23:19And that's kind of how some of the older men were, just creepy.
00:23:22And I never connected it to a more nefarious ring that involved modeling agencies and Epstein.
00:23:30There were hundreds of girls from these Eastern European countries sent to Paris, sent to New York.
00:23:37You know, they were doing quite abusive things to these models.
00:23:41It was like a well-oiled machine.
00:23:46Fast forward a few years later, I had a girlfriend who was also involved in this Epstein world.
00:23:54She had came to me one evening and said that Jeffrey had made her go into a room, made to
00:23:59go have sex with somebody.
00:24:01And so she at that time was scared.
00:24:05I became scared and we kind of both kind of moved out of New York at that time.
00:24:09And I never saw him again after that because I was scared.
00:24:22Jeffrey Epstein's trail of sexual abuse happened globally.
00:24:26However, Palm Beach was the center in many ways of the sexual abuse and where his crimes were originally investigated.
00:24:42Hey there. We're just driving around Palm Beach. Is there any way to get through or not?
00:24:50No, none.
00:24:50It's just closed.
00:24:51Yeah.
00:24:51Okay. All right. Just wanted to check.
00:24:53Why is it closed?
00:24:55Why is it closed?
00:24:56Because Trump's in town.
00:25:02So I'm Holly Balz. I'm a retired investigations editor from the Palm Beach Post, just newly retired.
00:25:13We, as in the Post, covered Epstein from the very beginning.
00:25:21I never could have anticipated how big this case got to be.
00:25:29Palm Beach police first started investigating Jeffrey Epstein when the stepmother of a ninth grader at Royal Palm Beach High
00:25:38School reported that a wealthy man had molested her daughter in March of 2005.
00:25:45This is the east-west route that goes past Royal Palm Beach High School.
00:25:53You know, it wasn't just the one girl.
00:25:56Police found that a number of victims were recruited here.
00:26:04They started interviewing more girls, and every time they did, it was like peeling back an onion.
00:26:11Why don't you tell me from the beginning and how you met him?
00:26:13It was something in high school. Everybody was like trying to make money.
00:26:18Did they get paid for taking you?
00:26:20Yeah. $200.
00:26:23Not only were the girls getting sexually abused themselves, but he also offered to pay them if they bring their
00:26:30friends.
00:26:32And these were girls who didn't have a lot of money.
00:26:37During Jeffrey Epstein's first criminal investigation, many of the survivors started finding lawyers who were willing to bring their stories
00:26:48forward and file lawsuits.
00:26:51I first got involved in the Epstein matter back in about 2006.
00:26:56I was working at a litigation firm here in Palm Beach County.
00:27:01And a young girl walked into our office with her parents and told a crazy story about a rich man
00:27:08on Palm Beach Island that had paid her about $200 to go to the home and give him a massage
00:27:13that turned into a sexually explicit and inappropriate massage.
00:27:17Initially, I didn't quite believe her. To be perfectly honest, it sounded pretty incredible. But once I interviewed the police
00:27:25detective that was conducting the investigation, I realized that this was real.
00:27:31Michael Ryder was the chief of police back at the time. Joe Rattari was the lead investigator.
00:27:37You are Alfredo Rodriguez, correct?
00:27:40Okay. You were like the houseman?
00:27:42You can say butler.
00:27:43The girls that come over to work for him. What can you tell me about that?
00:27:47He has a list of favorite female personnel to give him massage. So he get massage in the morning, massage
00:27:54in the afternoon. And besides that, they were very private.
00:27:57Okay.
00:27:59And actually, it was my job to keep everything discreet.
00:28:03As police officers gathered the evidence, Epstein put together a huge team of, it was like a dream team. All
00:28:15really well known attorneys and attorneys who were very aggressive.
00:28:23It is widely reported that Jeffrey Epstein and his legal team had some of the victims followed by blacked out
00:28:30SUVs showing up at their houses. But they were also investigating the lead investigator, Joe. And I asked to meet
00:28:39him.
00:28:41So he picked a Starbucks in downtown West Palm Beach. And when I sat down and I started talking to
00:28:45him, his head was on a swivel. And he kept looking around. And I said, what are you, what are
00:28:50you doing?
00:28:51And I'll never forget. He looks at me and he says, you have no idea what they're doing to me.
00:28:57And they had been digging through his personal trash. And he said to me, I've never seen this kind of
00:29:04an operation before.
00:29:12But the Palm Beach police, they were very dogged in pursuing Epstein.
00:29:17One of the police officers in Palm Beach County, Florida.
00:29:19They kept amassing victims.
00:29:30When the first criminal investigation of Jeffrey Epstein was going on, it had originally seemed like something that could sustain
00:29:39an indictment with dozens of counts that Palm Beach police were building a very strong case.
00:29:45But when the entire case was packaged up and given to the state attorney, the state attorney here in Palm
00:29:53Beach at the time decided not to file charges.
00:29:57Chief of police, Michael Ryder was so upset at the lack of prosecution on the state level that he elevated
00:30:04this to the federal level.
00:30:06The FBI was keen to prosecute in the beginning, for sure.
00:30:12And they found very much similar things as Palm Beach police, but new victims.
00:30:18And what came of that was a draft indictment, 60 counts.
00:30:24However, this giant case that Palm Beach police spent so much time investigating pleaded down to a slap on the
00:30:33wrist plea deal.
00:30:34After intense lobbying by Jeffrey Epstein's lawyers.
00:30:38The charges that they ended up bringing were solicitation for prostitution of a minor.
00:30:44It's basically calling these victims prostitutes.
00:30:49The deal was approved by then U.S. Attorney Alex Acosta and then kept secret from the victims.
00:30:55And I think that the sweetheart plea deal was in many ways the original sin of this.
00:31:03It was one of the most awful deals I've ever seen.
00:31:06There isn't a plea deal before or since that I've ever seen like this.
00:31:15It gave complete immunity to not just Epstein, but it included and not limited to potential co-conspirators, Sarah Kellan,
00:31:26Adriana Ross, Leslie Graff and Nadia Marcinkova.
00:31:29And so these are some of the women who helped recruit other girls.
00:31:32Yeah.
00:31:33And the sexual pyramid scheme.
00:31:34These are the people that were really at the third level, right below Glenn Maxwell.
00:31:42Jeffrey Epstein went to jail just before 10 this morning.
00:31:45He pleaded guilty in open court.
00:31:47He agreed to serve a total of 18 months in the Palm Beach detention facility.
00:31:53People who commit sex crimes against minors go to prison for a very long time.
00:31:59Not Jeffrey Epstein.
00:32:01He was sentenced to 18 months in jail.
00:32:06He could get work release for 12 hours a day, six days a week.
00:32:12He wound up being in a cushy jail where he was the only person in that wing.
00:32:20He could go out, go to his office, take a walk on the beach, do whatever he wanted during the
00:32:25day.
00:32:26That's no kind of punishment.
00:32:28We had been litigating against Epstein on behalf of one of my clients.
00:32:34He was being allowed out during days.
00:32:37So we noticed Epstein for deposition.
00:32:41Could you please give us your name?
00:32:43Jeffrey Epstein.
00:32:44So I wanted him to realize I didn't care who he was, what his power was, what his status was.
00:32:50I was going to ask him the most embarrassing possible thing I could.
00:32:53Is it true, sir, that you have what's been described as an egg-shaped penis?
00:33:03He hears me ask the question.
00:33:05Watch him look at his lawyers like, can you believe he's asking me this?
00:33:08I'm going to give you the first lawyer, Mr. Truman.
00:33:11I had been the first lawyer to ask him any questions in the cases that had been filed.
00:33:16One witness described your penis as oval-shaped, thin and small towards the head portion.
00:33:22See, he's angry.
00:33:23He's ready to walk out the door, and then he sees that the attorneys are going to talk.
00:33:27That serves no other purpose other than embarrass Mr. Epstein.
00:33:30It's just totally unethical. It's improper.
00:33:33The purpose of that question is, how could a 14-year-old know what his private part look like?
00:33:38That question was directly relevant to the claims in the case.
00:33:43The deposition is terminated at this point.
00:33:45OK, thanks a lot. I appreciate it. OK.
00:33:51Shortest deposition I've ever taken.
00:33:54Ever?
00:33:55Ever.
00:33:55Wow.
00:33:56So he probably is feeling pretty confident at this point that he's gotten away with this?
00:34:00Pretty much, yeah.
00:34:01I mean, he had done his deal, and now he was just getting through the civil cases,
00:34:04thinking that it was all over and all done.
00:34:10So, Sarah and Nadia, you guys have a little time.
00:34:12You can see I have a little sore on my face that I got from some black guy trying to
00:34:16kiss me.
00:34:17I'll talk to you guys later. Bye.
00:34:22A few steps, a smile, and a wave to the deputy at the door.
00:34:26We watched Jeffrey Epstein walk out of jail.
00:34:28Epstein served 13 months of an 18-month sentence.
00:34:32He's very happy that his jail sentence is over and he can begin a new chapter in his life.
00:34:39When Jeffrey Epstein got out of jail, the fact that he was prosecuted,
00:34:43the fact that he was a registered sex offender,
00:34:46didn't seem to stand in the way of his re-entry into high society, wealth, and power.
00:34:56The power and influence he had convinced a lot of people to look the other way.
00:35:02Prince Andrew looked the other way.
00:35:06We also saw Bill Gates meeting with Epstein despite his past.
00:35:12He was some sort of soothsayer, apparently, to a lot of these men that were asking him for advice.
00:35:19I think that a lot of people probably knew that everything was not on the up and up,
00:35:24but for whatever reason, they wanted to be a part of his inner circle.
00:35:30I had a reporter who was covering Epstein every step of the way.
00:35:38It was difficult to get people to pay attention.
00:35:42They felt like he had served his time and there you go.
00:35:47Epstein's conviction wasn't even a speed bump.
00:35:53I've been researching and writing about channel traffic since 2002, 2003.
00:35:58And I had this intuition that Jeffrey Epstein was very similar to the network that I investigated.
00:36:03And I just felt that something was seriously wrong.
00:36:08So in 2012, I went down to Florida and I had the good fortune of getting the Black Book.
00:36:20The Black Book is just a list of Jeffrey Epstein's contacts.
00:36:26It has billionaires, some people in showbiz, captains of industry, and multiple girls were in the Black Book.
00:36:41I started talking to some of the girls and they told me that they'd been flown here or flown there.
00:36:49And then one told me that she'd been flown to an island.
00:36:52So in 2012, I believe, Jeffrey Epstein was running a network.
00:36:59And I also had the flight logs.
00:37:01So were these the flight logs just for his private plane then?
00:37:05Yes.
00:37:06Bill Clinton, Alan Dershowitz, Kevin Spacey, Larry Summers.
00:37:11I mean, there were a number of very powerful people that were flying with Jeffrey Epstein.
00:37:16And there were a number of girls on the flight logs.
00:37:21And I assumed that some of them were minors.
00:37:31I worked on getting that story published for three years and finally Gawker stepped up and published my work.
00:37:41The mainstream media just didn't want to embrace it.
00:37:48After that point, we would get glimpses of information.
00:37:53Virginia Giuffre, one of the Epstein survivors from Palm Beach, had moved to Australia after escaping Jeffrey Epstein.
00:38:02She claimed that she was trafficked to then Prince Andrew when she was a minor.
00:38:08She was 17 at the time.
00:38:10Can you tell me about the photo that she provided to a newspaper in 2011?
00:38:17Virginia Giuffre had produced a now infamous photograph of her then Prince Andrew and Ghislaine Maxwell.
00:38:27Andrew claimed that it was a fake and denied criminal wrongdoing.
00:38:33The thing about Virginia is she'd been with Epstein for a couple of years and he had taken her every
00:38:40place.
00:38:40So she was pretty knowledgeable about his network.
00:38:44And she was launching civil suits and she named Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell as perpetrators who trafficked her to
00:38:54his rich and powerful cronies.
00:38:57But she wasn't being taken seriously by the media.
00:39:04Jeffrey Epstein very aggressively bullied media organizations that tried to look under that rock.
00:39:14Things remained kind of dormant for a number of years until another story came out of the Miami Herald and
00:39:22a reporter that went back and looked at some of the deals that were struck with Jeffrey Epstein.
00:39:28Julie Brown, her reporting really opened up the case.
00:39:33One second.
00:39:35Oh, you're calling Julie?
00:39:37Good morning.
00:39:38Good morning. How are you?
00:39:39I'm wonderful.
00:39:40I have a very pleasant Australian reporter here in my office that would like to chat with you if you
00:39:50could give her time.
00:39:51Hang on.
00:39:52Hi, Julie.
00:39:53Yeah, I've been contacted by a lot of people.
00:39:56Yeah, I can imagine.
00:39:57Keep it straight, but.
00:39:58Yeah.
00:39:59But yeah, give me a call, but this week is not a good week.
00:40:02So we can talk about it.
00:40:04Okay.
00:40:05Later.
00:40:06Yeah, sure.
00:40:20Hey, Julie, I'm so glad we could make this happen.
00:40:23Yes.
00:40:26Persistence pays off, right?
00:40:27Yep.
00:40:27It is okay, especially since you were willing to come all the way to Philadelphia.
00:40:30I thought, oh, my God, this girl is never going to give up.
00:40:32Oh, yeah.
00:40:33I might as well just get it over with.
00:40:36Tell me how you came to investigate Jeffrey Epstein.
00:40:40Well, I started investigating it right before the election in 2016.
00:40:46Most journalists in America knew, you know, something about the Jeffrey Epstein case.
00:40:52Especially Epstein's sweetheart deal, very lenient plea deal.
00:40:56And there was a lot of stories about how did he get this deal?
00:41:00This doesn't make any sense.
00:41:01But nothing that I could find really showed me how he got away with this crime.
00:41:07And so I just started requesting the records, not knowing where it was going to lead me.
00:41:13Somehow I got a list of almost 100 victims.
00:41:17In the end, I had like four victims that were willing to go and talk.
00:41:23And in the middle of when I was doing that, Trump nominated Alexander Acosta to be labor secretary.
00:41:30I want to thank President Trump for the privilege of serving.
00:41:34Acosta was the U.S. attorney in Miami that signed off on Epstein's sweetheart deal.
00:41:40I tell the data about us. Don't need to follow me this way.
00:41:43So then I pitched a story that we would go to the victims and ask them, you know, what they
00:41:50think about the man that let their predator off the hook,
00:41:53who is now, by the way, in charge of one of the largest government agencies in the country with oversight
00:42:00of human trafficking.
00:42:03It was a high pressure story because it involved a lot of important people.
00:42:07It was going to be put online very early in the morning.
00:42:12So we sort of braced ourselves, I guess you could say.
00:42:15And at the time that morning, there was a funny story that was at the top of our leaderboard.
00:42:20My story was at the very bottom.
00:42:22And so I packed everything up.
00:42:24I thought, that's it for the day.
00:42:26I, you know, I'm going to take the day off.
00:42:29And I was getting all ready.
00:42:30And another reporter said to me, Julie, look at this story.
00:42:33And it was going boom, boom, boom.
00:42:36We are going to begin with a much closer look at the disturbing case of Jeffrey Epstein.
00:42:42Joining me this morning is Julie Brown of the Miami Herald.
00:42:44Investigative reporter behind the Miami Herald.
00:42:47Julie Brown, let me ask you, set the scene for us.
00:42:51This story uncovered this underbelly of society, of the rich and powerful,
00:42:56and what they were doing to people who were less powerful.
00:43:00The Miami Herald series drops in November 2018.
00:43:08It had such an impact that by July of the following year, Jeffrey Epstein is arrested and charged with sex
00:43:18trafficking.
00:43:20Billionaire Jeffrey Epstein has been arrested for alleged sex trafficking of young girls.
00:43:26And agents have been coming in and out of his Manhattan mansion all morning.
00:43:30Epstein is charged in a two-count indictment.
00:43:32First, conspiracy to commit sex trafficking.
00:43:35And second, sex trafficking of underage girls.
00:43:38Beginning in at least 2002 and continuing until 2005 at his mansion in New York and in Palm Beach, Florida.
00:43:46I'm not going into any dealings with the main justice.
00:43:50I will say that we were assisted from some excellent investigative journalism.
00:43:56I just got a call from the news desk saying we just got something over the wire that said that
00:44:01Epstein's been arrested.
00:44:02It was like, you know, it was incredible.
00:44:04I was just, I couldn't believe it.
00:44:09Hi Mark, it's Grace Tobin.
00:44:11Thanks so much for taking the time to talk to me today.
00:44:14Sure.
00:44:14When your brother was arrested, can you tell me what that was like, that moment?
00:44:20Jeffrey gets arrested.
00:44:21You know, he spoke the night before.
00:44:25He called me from Paris.
00:44:26Just a normal, you know, what's new, how you doing call.
00:44:29And then he flies home the next day and he gets arrested.
00:44:34I wanted to be at his first court appearance the next day.
00:44:40He looked like such a small man, you know, small, frail, you know, human being.
00:44:49Just looked lost, quite frankly.
00:44:52I don't think he ever thought he was going to be re-arrested.
00:44:55Now, yesterday we were there in court.
00:44:57His attorneys are arguing that Epstein struck a deal with federal prosecutors in Florida over similar crimes,
00:45:02granting him immunity after he pleaded guilty to a lesser charge.
00:45:06The U.S. attorney who struck that deal is Alexander Acosta.
00:45:11At that point, the media started in Washington asking Trump what's going to happen with Alexander Acosta.
00:45:19Good afternoon.
00:45:20I remember that Acosta did have a press conference.
00:45:24We believe that we proceeded appropriately.
00:45:29There was value to getting a guilty plea and having him registered.
00:45:35Thank you very much.
00:45:39And I just remember listening to him thinking, these are all excuses.
00:45:45They don't work anymore.
00:45:48And apparently it didn't work because he then, you know, resigned.
00:45:54And so I called the president this morning.
00:45:57I told him that I thought the right thing was to step aside.
00:46:02Finally, it seemed like the government was actually taking this effort.
00:46:05I was trying to deal with him seriously by charging Epstein with serious crimes, sex trafficking.
00:46:11And after that, other victims started to realize, I'm not alone.
00:46:17When he was arrested, a lot of us were happy that there was a second chance for possibly some actual
00:46:24justice.
00:46:25Because what happened in 2008 wasn't justice or him being held accountable.
00:46:31And at that point, I reached out to the FBI and I was like, here's another one of us, you
00:46:40know.
00:47:00Jeffrey Epstein was staying at the rather notorious prison where people await trial on serious offenses in the Southern District
00:47:10of New York.
00:47:12The Metropolitan Correctional Center in Manhattan is an environment completely foreign to Jeffrey Epstein.
00:47:21The conditions were filthy.
00:47:23Rodents, cockroaches, all over the place.
00:47:26I agreed to represent him and I met with him.
00:47:37The multimillionaire and convicted sex offender is now on suicide watch after he was found injured in his jail cell.
00:47:46I met with Jeffrey Epstein on August 1st for about five or six hours.
00:47:51He denied that he had tried to commit suicide.
00:47:54The story that he told about what had happened was that the cellmate he had forced him to put a
00:48:00rope around his neck something and pulled it just to see the reaction Epstein would have.
00:48:06But he told the correctional officers that he couldn't remember what had happened because he was afraid if he got
00:48:12that guy in trouble that he would have trouble himself.
00:48:16How was Jeffrey Epstein's mood that day when you look back?
00:48:19Good. I mean, he, again, he didn't like being in the jail, but he was adamant about wanting to fight
00:48:26the case and he was energized by our meeting.
00:48:28I think he thought he had a strong legal argument, for example, on the agreement that he had made that
00:48:33he felt would have barred his prosecution.
00:48:37But nine days later, last thing I would have imagined at the time happened.
00:48:44NBC News has learned that disgraced financier Jeffrey Epstein is dead.
00:48:49Sources telling ABC News that accused sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein has died by suicide.
00:48:55It appeared that he had hung himself. We're trying to figure out if he was still on suicide watch.
00:49:03It was astonishing.
00:49:06This is someone who is being prosecuted for historic crimes.
00:49:10The world's attention is on this.
00:49:13How is this man allowed to turn up dead?
00:49:24And then the next thing I know, I hear on the news that Jeffrey was found dead from an apparent
00:49:28suicide.
00:49:30At first, I had no reason to doubt it because, you know, he was in jail.
00:49:35He was facing a long time in jail, potentially, and I knew he wouldn't want to live that way in
00:49:39jail.
00:49:40So I had no reason to doubt it, and I accepted that he committed suicide.
00:49:45The next day, I had to come back to New York to identify his body.
00:49:48As a family member, I had the right to have my own pathologist at the autopsy, you know, just to
00:49:53see everything that's done right.
00:49:54I spoke to his brother. I insisted that the person I consider to be the top forensic pathologist in the
00:50:01world participate in an independent autopsy.
00:50:05So his name is Michael Bodden.
00:50:07I was a medical examiner for the New York State Police for 25 years and had more than 20,000
00:50:16autopsies.
00:50:18In this instance, I was asked to attend the autopsy that was going to be done the next day.
00:50:27The history was that he was found having committed suicide by hanging in his jail cell.
00:50:35When looking at the body, there was a little odd situation there because the ligature furrow around the neck was
00:50:43horizontal.
00:50:45In a suicidal hanging, the ligature mark is usually up the high part of the neck and goes upwards.
00:50:53And then the moment of surprise, there were three fractures.
00:50:59Two of the thyroid cartilage, which is the Adam's apple, and one of the hyoid bone.
00:51:07In 50 years of doing this, I've never seen that.
00:51:11That's much more common, a crushing injury in the homicidal strangulation.
00:51:18So I think at that point, there was concern as to whether it was suicide as thought or not.
00:51:26So the medical examiner of New York City who conducted it, she said that it was inconclusive.
00:51:32She couldn't say it was suicide.
00:51:37But then her boss, three or four days later, changed it to suicide.
00:51:46And then, okay, now all kinds of questions start coming up, and we'll start turning.
00:51:54Barbara Sampson, the chief medical examiner, she was not at the autopsy.
00:52:00And so she comes up with the conclusion of suicide based on what?
00:52:04Tonight, Jeffrey Epstein's attorneys questioning whether his death was a suicide,
00:52:08saying they will even pursue, quote, legal action to view the pivotal videos,
00:52:13if they exist as they should, of the area proximate to Mr. Epstein's cell.
00:52:18And it turned out, somehow, magically, the cameras malfunctioned that day,
00:52:23or it was in a place where the camera didn't reach.
00:52:27So this is now a correctional officer taking an inmate down.
00:52:30This is supposed to be Jeffrey Epstein now.
00:52:33You're talking about August 9th at almost eight o'clock in the evening.
00:52:38August 10th is when he was dead.
00:52:40Do you think it's suspicious that there's only this one camera angle available?
00:52:45That that's the only image?
00:52:47If that's accurate, then yes, I do think it's suspicious.
00:52:50And, you know, you might say coincidental that cameras are malfunctioning,
00:52:55you know, around that time, but pretty unbelievable.
00:52:58There were so many anomalies that night.
00:53:01His cellmate had been taken out.
00:53:03The guards were sleeping.
00:53:06The cameras were down.
00:53:08All of these mysterious things fueled a lot of conspiracy theories.
00:53:12There's just no way you can hang yourself off of a bunk bed at that height.
00:53:16I think we have found Jeffrey Epstein's killer.
00:53:18And it's the most secure federal lockup in the United States,
00:53:21and he got murdered in it.
00:53:22Who has the power to do that?
00:53:27I've been studying conspiracy theories for 15 years.
00:53:31When I polled Americans asking them what they thought about his death,
00:53:35half the country thought it was a conspiracy.
00:53:37That he was killed by people who were trying to cover up their involvement with him.
00:53:43And you don't normally get conspiracy theories getting half the country to buy in.
00:53:51Yeah, I don't believe any conspiracy theory,
00:53:52but the fact that he wanted to fight this case until the day before he died
00:53:57says to me that it's unlikely he committed suicide.
00:54:02I believe he was murdered.
00:54:04And if they do a real investigation and they talk to the right people,
00:54:08they could figure out when it actually took place.
00:54:12Do you believe that Epstein committed suicide?
00:54:16No. No, I just don't believe it. Um, no.
00:54:22He had only been there for a month.
00:54:26I just think it was too soon for him to throw in the towel.
00:54:31From the Jeffrey Epstein that I knew, no, I don't think he killed himself at Stone.
00:54:37And I believe he always thought he was going to get out of it.
00:54:40He knew that he wasn't going to get the slap on the wrist this time.
00:54:44Uh, very damaging documents in the case came out two days before he changed his will.
00:54:50A lot of people think he might have been killed. Others think he killed himself.
00:54:56I really think he, he decided to take his life.
00:54:59That was the last bit of control, uh, that he had.
00:55:05When I heard about that, I just, I was heartbroken for these girls.
00:55:13A federal judge has officially dismissed the criminal case against Jeffrey Epstein.
00:55:19They have never gotten justice and, you know, they didn't deserve this.
00:55:28I was going through my own feelings in 2019 when he died.
00:55:32Uh, he was kind of a mentor to me, but he was also my abuser.
00:55:36Um, so it was a very confusing time for me and I wanted to know answers about my life.
00:55:40So I reached out at that time to other survivors and called Virginia.
00:55:46I had my first conversation with her.
00:55:49There's just something that she had in her that I looked up to and I really thought was very brave.
00:56:03We are here in Loxahatchee Grows, which is a rural part of Palm Beach County in which Virginia Roberts Jeffrey
00:56:12grew up.
00:56:15I was not terribly affluent.
00:56:19I was recruited at a very young age from Mar-a-Lago and entrapped in a world that I didn't
00:56:25understand and I've been fighting that very world to this day and I won't stop fighting. I will never be
00:56:30silenced.
00:56:31And here we have Mar-a-Lago, President Trump's, uh, private club.
00:56:39Virginia Dufresne was a spa attendant at Mar-a-Lago and Ghislaine Maxwell used to go there for massages.
00:56:50Glaine Maxwell asked her if she wanted to learn to be a masseuse and to come to Epstein's house.
00:56:56And that was where she suffered the first abuse.
00:57:00Do you know Virginia Roberts?
00:57:04So she's, again, who?
00:57:06Virginia Roberts.
00:57:08Can you spell it?
00:57:11Common spelling.
00:57:12Can you spell it for me, please?
00:57:14R-O-B-E-R-T-S.
00:57:17And just for the record, I can only spell it the way that it was spelled in your flight logs
00:57:22from your airplane.
00:57:26Virginia Roberts Dufresne was instrumental in this story coming forward.
00:57:31She is the reason, to a very large extent, that Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell were even prosecuted because of
00:57:39the trail of the public record that she left in her civil lawsuits.
00:57:46Virginia Dufresne was not only key in exposing Jeffrey Epstein.
00:57:51You know, she named names of other people, such as Prince Andrew.
00:57:57Abuse allegations that have been plaguing the prince for years now laid bare on primetime TV.
00:58:04Virginia Roberts Dufresne alleges Prince Andrew first sexually abused her at Ms Maxwell's London home.
00:58:11Ghislaine woke me up in the morning and said, you're going to meet a prince today.
00:58:15I didn't know at that point that I was going to be trafficked to that prince.
00:58:21And Ghislaine said he's coming back to the house and I want you to do for him what you do
00:58:26for Epstein.
00:58:28One of Epstein's accusers, Virginia Roberts, has made allegations against you.
00:58:40It's been six years now since that famous, infamous interview with Prince Andrew.
00:58:46Did you ever think that you would still be talking about it now?
00:58:49In a way, I wish the whole conversation had started earlier.
00:58:53You know, we knew when we did it that it had to be a document, a public record in case
00:59:00it was ever useful.
00:59:04He was in the room when I arrived.
00:59:06He looked ready for it.
00:59:09He looked like a man who had waited a long time to kind of get it off his chest, frankly.
00:59:16There is no good time to talk about Mr Epstein.
00:59:21My sense is that he thought he was his own best weapon in terms of killing the story dead.
00:59:29She says she met you in 2001 and she went on to have sex with you in a house in
00:59:37Belgravia belonging to Ghislaine Maxwell.
00:59:40Didn't happen.
00:59:41Do you remember her?
00:59:43No.
00:59:45He tried to tell me that it was a fake photo.
00:59:48We can't be certain as to whether or not that's my hand on her, whatever it is, left side.
00:59:56He'd worked out his alibi.
01:00:00I'd taken Beatrice to a Pizza Express in Woking.
01:00:06His team had thought it had gone pretty well.
01:00:08Britain's Prince Andrew is facing backlash after a widely criticized television interview.
01:00:14One UK paper calling the prince entitled and obtuse.
01:00:18Four days after Newsnight broadcast its interview with Prince Andrew, he's made this announcement.
01:00:24I have asked Her Majesty if I may step back from public duties for the foreseeable future and she has
01:00:30given her permission.
01:00:31The interview that he gave the BBC, that was beyond disingenuous.
01:00:39He started his slow decline to ultimately being stripped of his princehood.
01:00:46And I think that that was the beginning of the end.
01:00:51It's an eye for an eye, a scar for a scar.
01:00:57No matter how much I go through therapy, I'm embedded with scars that will never leave me. Ever.
01:01:08Virginia Giuffre was also instrumental to the downfall of the other person in that photograph, Ghislaine Maxwell.
01:01:16In 2022, Ghislaine Maxwell was sentenced to 20 years in prison for sex trafficking and other crimes.
01:01:26But there was a growing public outrage that she was the only person to face consequences in the Epstein scandal.
01:01:34People were asking, what about the men?
01:01:38No one had brought charges and this was across Republican and Democratic administrations.
01:01:48When and how did concerns about Epstein's crimes start spilling over into the territory of the public really wanting to
01:01:58see the files?
01:01:59Donald Trump really was the one who prompted that.
01:02:06Then he got to be embroiled in it himself.
01:02:12Donald Trump's name is all over these files.
01:02:15Flight logs show Trump traveled on Epstein's private jet many more times than prosecutors were aware.
01:02:24Have you ever had a personal relationship with Donald Trump?
01:02:28What do you mean by personal relationships?
01:02:30Have you socialized with him?
01:02:33Yes, sir.
01:02:34Yes?
01:02:34Yes, sir.
01:02:35Have you ever socialized with Donald Trump in the presence of females under the age of 18?
01:02:47Though I'd like to answer that question, at least today, I'm going to have to assert my 5th, 6th and
01:02:5414th Amendment right, sir.
01:02:58It's indisputable that Trump had a long-term friendship with Epstein.
01:03:03He told the world about it.
01:03:04Do you think Jeffrey Epstein is a terrific guy?
01:03:08Well, I knew him like everybody in Palm Beach knew him.
01:03:11I mean, people in Palm Beach knew him.
01:03:12He was a fixture in Palm Beach.
01:03:14There was the infamous interview where he called Epstein a great guy, likes women on the younger side.
01:03:23Jeffrey Epstein's 50th birthday book in 2003 has a drawing of a nude female figure with Trump's name on it.
01:03:33He denies that it's his signature. We have multiple handwriting experts saying that it is.
01:03:40I don't do drawings. I'm not a drawing person.
01:03:43The fact that he had such a long personal friendship with Epstein raises questions about what he knew about Epstein's
01:03:53behavior.
01:03:54I had a falling out with him a long time ago. I don't think I've spoken to him for 15
01:03:57years. I wasn't a fan.
01:04:00When do you think it was that the Epstein files actually started becoming a big problem for President Trump?
01:04:06I think it became a problem soon after he assumed office again.
01:04:12We are going to drain the swamp and we're going to do it once and for all.
01:04:16Prior to his reelection, he had been asked point blank, would you support releasing the files?
01:04:22Would you declassify the Epstein files?
01:04:24Yeah. Yeah, I would.
01:04:26And many of the people around him, they said yes.
01:04:30Seriously, we need to release the Epstein list. That is an important thing.
01:04:34How is it that my father can be convicted of 34 crimes, but no one on Epstein's list has even
01:04:41been brought to light?
01:04:42So this was a campaign promise that they had made to their supporters.
01:04:47Ghislaine, look into her father, Robert Maxwell.
01:04:50Yeah. All the answers are right there.
01:04:52Because he was a spy.
01:04:53Trump built a coalition of followers who are very conspiratorial in their worldviews and were already Epstein conspiracy theorists.
01:05:03You don't know that she's 16 and she takes you in a room and that room is filled with cameras.
01:05:08Blackmail.
01:05:09Yeah. Yeah.
01:05:10So there were fantasies about massive sex trafficking rings, views about blackmail rings and that Epstein was controlling all sorts
01:05:19of rich and powerful people.
01:05:20I believe very strongly he was a spy.
01:05:23Yes.
01:05:23And who do you think he was working for?
01:05:24The Israelis.
01:05:25Trump cozied up to QAnon and it created a lore around him that he was bringing down these evil, powerful
01:05:33people because the establishment was entirely corrupt and he was the outsider who was going to come in and drain
01:05:40the swamp.
01:05:48So early in Trump's second term, he appoints Pam Bondi as attorney general and she runs with the Epstein story
01:05:57almost immediately.
01:05:58This is something Donald Trump has talked about. The DOJ may be releasing the list of Jeffrey Epstein's clients.
01:06:05In February of 2025, Bondi goes out and says that she has the Epstein files and the client list on
01:06:15her desk.
01:06:16It's sitting on my desk right now to review. That's been a directive by President Trump.
01:06:22Then there's a 180 degree reversal.
01:06:26There's the release of the July memo from the FBI and the Department of Justice and the July memo says
01:06:33an extraordinary thing.
01:06:34It says that there are more than a thousand survivors of Jeffrey Epstein's abuse and then says there's nothing to
01:06:42investigate.
01:06:43There's nothing to release. Turn the other way.
01:06:47There was, quote, no client list or evidence that he blackmailed prominent figures, according to a memo detailing the findings.
01:06:55The review also concluded that Epstein died by suicide while in custody at a Manhattan correctional facility.
01:07:01That memo just sent shockwaves throughout the American ether, especially with the MAGA base, who was so invested.
01:07:09All those videos are saying, yeah, she's seen the videos. It's all coming out. And then now it doesn't exist.
01:07:13I mean, what? What?
01:07:14Joe, I'm going to check the tweet that Elon just put out.
01:07:17Time to drop the really big bomb. Donald Trump is in the Epstein files.
01:07:21That's the real reason they have not been made public.
01:07:24The Jeffrey Epstein case has caused backlash within President Trump's base,
01:07:27fueling conspiracy theories that more details exist but are being hidden from the public.
01:07:33I'm not going to play with these anymore. MAGA hats are off.
01:07:44Burn, baby, burn.
01:07:46And this is a great representation of what's left of MAGA.
01:07:50I think the president always felt like he could control his MAGA base.
01:07:54But it's the influencers who have also really kept this story alive and have been very critical of him.
01:08:00We voted for Trump because we wanted justice. And justice involves actually holding accountable the people who committed that wrongdoing.
01:08:07I can't reconcile this Donald Trump with the Trump that I voted for across multiple elections.
01:08:13The Epstein scandal is definitely terminal cancer to Trump's MAGA movement. There's no question about that.
01:08:18It just continued and continued. And the president himself kept calling it a hoax.
01:08:23Well, I haven't been overly interested in it. You know, it's something, it's a hoax that's been built up way
01:08:29beyond proportion.
01:08:30I know it's a hoax. It's started by Democrats.
01:08:32When you call something a hoax and yet people know that there's a tremendous amount of evidence out there that
01:08:37it's not a hoax, it makes them only want to know more about it.
01:08:40The president writing on social media,
01:08:52Some stupid Republicans and foolish Republicans fall into the net. I call it the Epstein hoax.
01:09:01Come on in.
01:09:02Hello. Hi.
01:09:03Hi, Marjorie.
01:09:04Yes, hello.
01:09:05Hi, I'm Grace Tobin.
01:09:06Nice to meet you.
01:09:07Nice to meet you too.
01:09:08Grab a seat under this big ball light.
01:09:11Yeah, that's quite a light.
01:09:12I know, isn't it?
01:09:13Oh my gosh, yeah.
01:09:15Do you think that these supporters are losing heart and losing trust in President Trump now because of the Epstein
01:09:22files?
01:09:23Many of them, yes, it was a line in the sand for them.
01:09:27They couldn't understand it the same way I couldn't understand it.
01:09:30Why would he cover this up?
01:09:31And that was, um, that was something that none of us ever expected from President Trump.
01:09:47I'm Rick Fraser, and I presently live in St. Mary's, Ohio.
01:09:51It is good.
01:09:52Mmm.
01:09:53Good coffee.
01:09:55I'm a front row Joe, and I'd show up five, six days ahead of time to one of his rallies.
01:10:02It's very quick, but it's true.
01:10:04I still worked hard to help Trump, you know, get elected.
01:10:08But to be honest with you, it pisses me off that, if I can use that language, that on one
01:10:16hand, we were promised by the President that this is going to happen.
01:10:20Then on the other hand, he turns around and it didn't happen.
01:10:25I can't see why he, who is protecting me.
01:10:29I honestly, in my mind, don't think he's involved.
01:10:32You can be in pictures with anyone, but until we got transparency, how do we know?
01:10:44There is new pressure on the Trump administration from Republicans looking into the Jeffrey Epstein case.
01:10:50Donald Trump is aimed at one of his own Republican Congressman Thomas Massey.
01:11:05When did you first start becoming concerned about what's now known as the Epstein files?
01:11:12So, it started a couple years ago for me, and it really came to the forefront when President Trump and
01:11:19people in his cabinet promised that they were going to release these files.
01:11:23But none of them followed through on their promise, which became suspicious to me.
01:11:29My Democrat colleague, Ro Khanna from California, cares about the victims.
01:11:35And so, I reached out to him and said, Ro, if I do a discharge petition, do you think you
01:11:44could get every single Democrat to sign it?
01:11:48And he did deliver on that promise.
01:11:52Democrat Ro Khanna and Republican Thomas Massey are leading a bipartisan push in the House for the release of the
01:11:58Epstein files.
01:11:59People feel that the rich and the powerful have been not held accountable, that they have a different set of
01:12:05rules, and that there may be government officials involved.
01:12:09Thomas Massey just filed a discharge petition to force this vote on releasing the files.
01:12:15That's something that Speaker Mike Johnson has really been trying to avoid.
01:12:19The White House has warned Republicans not to side with Massey.
01:12:23Even the White House officials were telling reporters last night that this would be viewed as an act of hostility.
01:12:33Well, I have a 98 percent voting record with the president, was one of his most loyal defenders.
01:12:41Marjorie Taylor Greene, please come up. Come.
01:12:44Taylor Greene! Taylor Greene!
01:12:46Thank you, Mr. President.
01:12:47All right, Georgia. We know what we're going to do in 2024.
01:12:51He was angry at me for siding with Thomas Massey and signing on the discharge petition.
01:12:58To me, it was a matter of right and wrong and standing up for these women.
01:13:02The greatest president in United States history, Donald J. Trump. Right, Georgia?
01:13:11Marjorie Taylor Greene, she's the female version of Donald Trump, as she was full-blood MAGA.
01:13:16So for her to be one of the people to stand up against him is very significant in American politics.
01:13:24He was losing control of the situation.
01:13:29When you signed that discharge petition, afterwards you took a phone call with President Trump.
01:13:36He said that it was going to hurt people that he knew. What people?
01:13:41I don't know. I still don't know that to this day.
01:13:44But the way he treated me and the names that he called me sent death threats upon me and then
01:13:50my children.
01:13:58This is my fifth year in Congress and this is the largest press conference that I've seen since I've been
01:14:04here.
01:14:05As people like Marjorie Taylor Greene started getting involved, the snowball started rolling.
01:14:10This is not about politics. This is a boiling point in American history.
01:14:17We see some very effective advocacy on behalf of the victims themselves.
01:14:22Why did he get away with it in 2008?
01:14:25Why was Jeffrey Epstein so protected?
01:14:28Why was Maxwell the only one held accountable when so many others played a role?
01:14:32Let the public know the truth.
01:14:34I speak today not only in service of my own recovery, but to honour the lives, the courage and sacrifices
01:14:41of Virginia Dufresne and others who could not continue.
01:14:49Victims of the convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein have paid tribute to Virginia Dufresne at a rally in Washington DC.
01:14:57She took her own life in April this year.
01:15:01It made me very sad when she passed.
01:15:04This sort of damage, you can stuff it down for years and years, but the effects will always catch up.
01:15:12Virginia said it best, and I quote,
01:15:14They say time can heal, but this won't.
01:15:17Not until the justice system makes an example out of these people with so-called privileges, I just call it
01:15:23money.
01:15:24People believe her now.
01:15:26I mean, she won.
01:15:29In a sad way.
01:15:36So we gather here on the steps of the Capitol to confront these corrupt forces.
01:15:44We know we have 212 Democrats, and we have four Republicans, courageous Republicans.
01:15:51The only supporters that I got from my discharge petition on the Republican side of the aisle were all women.
01:15:58Marjorie Taylor Greene, Lauren Boebert, and Nancy Mace.
01:16:02They were woken up at 5 a.m. in the morning with the president saying, F this, F that.
01:16:09Get your effing name off of this thing.
01:16:11But to their credit, all three of those women stayed strong.
01:16:16There was a time when few believed that they would actually be able to get the passage of these files.
01:16:25And it was only after it became very clear that Trump was going to lose on this vote, then finally
01:16:33he claimed to support it.
01:16:36We've done a great job, and I hate to see that deflect from the great job we've done.
01:16:43So I'm all for it.
01:16:46What eventually happened was a nearly unanimous vote.
01:16:49The yeas are 427, the nays are 1.
01:16:55The bill is passed, and without objection, the motion to reconsider is laid on the table.
01:17:05Mr. Speaker, today's an extraordinary day in this chamber.
01:17:09This is about the powerless, taking power away from the very powerful.
01:17:18When Trump back flipped on it, the survivors won.
01:17:23The Senate has passed the bill under unanimous.
01:17:32The bill forces the Justice Department to release Epstein-filed documents within 30 days.
01:17:57Once the Epstein Files Transparency Act became law, there was a deadline, December 19th, for the release of everything.
01:18:06Staff PD Attorney General Todd Blanche says, however, several hundred thousand pages of records will be made public, with more
01:18:13to come in the coming weeks.
01:18:14Hundreds of thousands.
01:18:16I could sit at home and just stay on the couch and not be involved.
01:18:20Being here is just historic.
01:18:24We've got a few hours till we find out.
01:18:26We're talking about a tonnage of information that may take some time just to process.
01:18:31The Justice Department has now begun the release of the Epstein files.
01:18:38The first release was a blip on the radar, not even that.
01:18:44There was a picture of Bill Clinton.
01:18:47There was very little about Donald Trump.
01:18:50It was widely regarded to have few major revelations.
01:18:55At least 550 pages were fully redacted.
01:18:59We have just a fraction right now of what is believed to exist.
01:19:03It failed in our book. We haven't received full transparency.
01:19:05And it's an incomplete release of the files.
01:19:10That must be his prison sale.
01:19:13I'm pretty disappointed since we were told transparency.
01:19:17And we're not really seeing it.
01:19:19And if that's the best they're going to do, I don't think we're ever going to get to the truth.
01:19:26This was a slap in the face of survivors.
01:19:29They're flouting the spirit and the letter of the law.
01:19:32People kept trying to push for the release of the files.
01:19:37And six weeks later, all of a sudden, 3.5 million documents hit the public.
01:19:46Three million pages of documents, 180,000 images and 2,000 videos.
01:19:51The latest release of files related to the paedophile Jeffrey Epstein is shocking in its size and its content.
01:19:58Of the 180,000 images released, these pictures of the king's brother seem to be what everyone is talking about.
01:20:05Police are assessing claims.
01:20:08Andrew Manfatton Windsor shared confidential reports with Jeffrey Epstein.
01:20:14All of a sudden, there are global investigations in Europe.
01:20:19Active investigations are now underway in at least 10 countries.
01:20:23Poland has launched a probe into the Epstein files in a search of any potential victims from that country.
01:20:30In Europe, the former prime minister of Norway has been charged with gross corruption.
01:20:35Poland's prime minister also says his country would investigate possible links between the convicted sex offender and Russian intelligence services.
01:20:43The people who maintained a friendship with Epstein, communications that they thought were private, are now filling the pages of
01:20:50newspapers internationally.
01:20:53My gosh, was this embarrassing. Can we start with Peter Attia?
01:20:58Elon Musk spent the entirety of last year saying, I refuse to go to the island. I refuse.
01:21:04And then the emails come out where he says, when's the Wildest Party? When can I come to your island?
01:21:08Good Lord. Another very prominent person caught up in all this is Bill Gates, of course, claims that he picked
01:21:14up a sexually transmitted disease from a Russian woman. He's denied that publicly.
01:21:20We have this footage where Steve Bannon is interviewing Epstein to try to rehabilitate Epstein's image.
01:21:26At the same time people are making sense of the 3.5 million files, there's Congress, who is continuing to
01:21:34investigate this and continuing to call witnesses, including the attorney general.
01:21:45All right, getting back to our breaking news, Attorney General Pam Bondi is set to testify before the House Judiciary
01:21:50Committee at any moment now.
01:21:52Survivors say their identities were exposed because of inadequate redaction.
01:21:57Well, right now we're heading over to the Capitol. I have a meeting with Congressman Lou Correa. After that, we'll
01:22:05be heading over to Pam Bondi's hearing.
01:22:18We have Congress working on our side and, you know, they want answers just as much as we do.
01:22:24Hi, I'm Sam Malone. Nice to meet you.
01:22:26Hi.
01:22:26Hi, Lisa. Nice to meet you.
01:22:28Pleasure meeting you. Come on in.
01:22:29We have a camera guy following us.
01:22:31Oh my, I should have planned on putting my tie on.
01:22:39I want to take a moment to acknowledge the Epstein survivors who are here today.
01:22:44I am deeply sorry for what any victim, any victim has been through.
01:22:51Attorney General Bondi, will you turn to them now and apologize for what your Department of Justice has put them
01:23:01through
01:23:02with the absolutely unacceptable release of the Epstein files and their information.
01:23:17I was pretty shocked that she just didn't even turn her head, just not even just a little bit, just
01:23:22to acknowledge.
01:23:24It doesn't even have to be an apology, but to acknowledge that we were there and that we represent 1
01:23:29,200 survivors.
01:23:33To my right is an email that was sent by the victim's lawyers to the DOJ.
01:23:38It was a list of names not to release.
01:23:41They released this email.
01:23:43Literally, the worst thing you could do to the survivors, you did.
01:23:48And we know you touched the document because you redacted the lawyer's name, but you left the survivor's name there.
01:23:53So I really have just one question for you.
01:23:57How many of Epstein's co-conspirators have you indicted?
01:24:00How many perpetrators are you even investigating?
01:24:05First, you showed it. I find it.
01:24:08How many have you indicted?
01:24:09Excuse me. I'm going to answer the question.
01:24:11Answer my question.
01:24:12No, I'm going to answer the question the way I want to answer the question.
01:24:15No, you're going to answer the question the way I asked it.
01:24:21I really got to see, like, in the flesh, in person, like, wow.
01:24:28They really are turning a blind eye to this for whatever reason.
01:24:32And it only makes you think that there's got to be a real reason why, right?
01:24:39Madam Attorney General, will you be put survivors after this?
01:24:42This is a place for the legal profession of the women.
01:24:45What a shame you are.
01:24:47A shameful person.
01:24:50Okay.
01:24:51Are you looking at the reaction in Europe and the UK and other parts of the world
01:24:57and scratching your head with what's going on here?
01:25:00Yes.
01:25:01I see a different attitude overseas.
01:25:04The untouchables are touchable now.
01:25:08Breaking news about Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor.
01:25:11The BBC understands that he has been arrested on suspicion of misconduct in public office.
01:25:17It comes weeks after the Justice Department released emails Andrew allegedly sent to the late sex offender Jeffrey Epstein in
01:25:242010.
01:25:26I think for several years we'd always imagined that it could come to this place and he was arrested.
01:25:34And I still found myself absolutely speechless for the first couple of hours.
01:25:38Andrew was serving as a UK trade envoy at the time
01:25:41and appears to have forwarded Epstein British government documents on trade policy.
01:25:45But this wasn't the story that we were following at all.
01:25:48This was something completely different.
01:25:50Now, Peter Mandelson, who was the UK ambassador to the US, has also now been arrested.
01:25:56And, you know, it's fascinating to see how far this chain will go.
01:25:59We are probably only at the very beginning.
01:26:03Over two dozen people have resigned.
01:26:05CEOs, members of government worldwide.
01:26:07But I haven't seen any arrests or investigations here in the United States from this Department of Justice.
01:26:15As an American journalist looking at everything happening in Europe,
01:26:20this is how sophisticated democracies react to alarming information they investigate.
01:26:26I have nothing to hide. I've been exonerated. I have nothing to do with Jeffrey Epstein.
01:26:32What we're seeing in the United States is Trump's Justice Department trying to say that there is nothing to see
01:26:39here.
01:26:39Is there evidence that Jeffrey Epstein was trafficking girls to other powerful men?
01:26:45According to the Associated Press' review of the files, the FBI says no.
01:26:51In regards to the sex trafficking and the abuse, do you personally know of evidence that exists within the Department
01:27:00of Justice, within the FBI, that has not come out yet?
01:27:04I do. I do.
01:27:11You know, when you have different girls telling the same stories, cooperating with each other, that's powerful, really powerful.
01:27:22So, and again, I think we have to believe victims and survivors of this sort of thing.
01:27:30I know of people that girls were traded out to and have not come out.
01:27:40I tend to believe that this story is going to outlive me because it's filled with so many mysteries, things
01:27:48people don't know.
01:27:52We don't know the depth of the cover-up yet, but I think this will eventually rank up there with
01:27:59Watergate.
01:28:02Hopefully, the American public is going to continue to care about this story and continue to demand that we get
01:28:09all of the answers.
01:28:12We're done laying down and being quiet. Now we're screaming in public.
01:28:19It's a serious question.
01:28:21I'm sorry.
01:28:21Do you think you're the devil himself?
01:28:23I don't know. Why would you say that?
01:28:25Because you have all the attributes. You're incredibly smart.
01:28:28You remember, the devil is somebody who knows-
01:28:29The devil's what?
01:28:30The devil's brilliant.
01:28:32Jeffrey Epstein was the true epitome of evil.
01:28:35Very polished, wealthy, well-spoken, very intelligent man.
01:28:40And he used all of that for evil.
01:28:46We do not do this story justice if we think it starts and ends with Epstein. Of course it doesn't.
01:28:52There is so much further to go.
01:28:57Here we go.
01:28:58The devil has been!
01:29:03The devil!
01:29:15The devil, his mother, the devil, is not in theール of evil.
01:29:17The devil, the devil, is not in the answer.
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