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The Washington Commanders have upgraded their roster in a major way in the first week of free agency! Commanders reporter Ben Standig from The Last Man Standig Podcast and Substack joins The Kevin Sheehan Show to recap the Commanders’ first week of free agency signings and lays out some additional moves the team could make in the coming days/weeks.
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00:00He's with us every Monday, Friday, and sometimes in between at Ben Standing on X on Twitter.
00:05Ben writes a sub stack column about this team, covers the team as good as anybody does.
00:13And he's also got a podcast by the same name, Last Man Standing.
00:17So I'll ask you the question that I asked our callers earlier this hour.
00:22And that is, it's now 16 new, 12 new players since last Monday at this time.
00:30Four players brought back since Monday at this time.
00:34There were a couple of additional players brought back prior to free agency beginning.
00:39Who's your favorite signing?
00:41Who's the one that you feel most confident about?
00:47Boy, well, most confident about?
00:50All right, I'll go with one here.
00:52I'll go with Nick Cross because I think he's a legit, strong safety.
00:59If you look at the stats, he's led safeties in a lot of categories against the run.
01:07Things like stopping players for unsuccessful yards or plays made behind the line of scrimmage.
01:13And the run game, the run defense has been problematic for this team the last two years.
01:19He's not saying everything has been problematic on defense.
01:21But, you know, in particular, if you don't stop the run, it's hard to get much else going.
01:26You're in a division, obviously, with Saquon Barkley and others.
01:31So, you know, I mean, and plus, like, the money is not that huge.
01:35The terms aren't that big.
01:36So, in terms of, like, sort of a, you know, pound for pound kind of a deal, I think that
01:41one, to me, it's not a huge risk.
01:43But I think the reward is pretty obvious.
01:47Is anything that has happened so far, does anything that we've seen so far prevent them from doing anything else?
01:54Or eliminate the possibility of them doing anything else?
01:58Either free agency or the draft?
02:00Both.
02:02Well, I mean, you know, would I expect them to go out and sign sort of another, you know, B,
02:10C-level receiver?
02:11I mean, probably not at this point, right?
02:13You've got now.
02:15I'm talking more about the upside.
02:17I'm talking more about, does anything, take all that's happened over the last week and even before, will that stop
02:25them, prevent them from going after Brandon Ayuk, from going after a pass rusher in the draft, Caleb Downs, et
02:34cetera?
02:34Any of those guys off the table?
02:37I don't think so.
02:38I mean, Caleb Downs would be the one where I'm like, okay, you know, I think he's best served playing
02:44closer to the line of scrimmage in the box.
02:46And again, Nick Cross, maybe that's where he's probably going to live.
02:50But even still, like, I don't think that's prohibitive because draft is a long-term deal.
02:56So, no, I don't think so.
02:57I mean, look, they can definitely take a pass rusher because Owe is the only one who is under contract
03:02beyond this coming season.
03:06Ayuk, I mean, yeah, I mean, there is no obvious number two receiver.
03:09So, if they view him as that guy, then, you know, the role is there.
03:13They have some insurance if it were to blow up.
03:17But, no, I don't really think there's anything that's happened here that would make you think they can't do, you
03:23know, whatever they think is necessary.
03:27I mean, obviously, I'm not expecting much in terms of big money expenditures at this point.
03:32But, yeah, I don't think anything is off the table, even though they've added all these players.
03:37So, how did the Chris Paul thing kind of, you know, happen?
03:41Was it just that the market wasn't there as he and his agent may have thought it would have been?
03:48Yeah, I'm still trying to sort of piece this together.
03:51But, yeah, I mean, that seems like the way it went, you know, you can obviously spin it as, hey,
03:57he decided he wanted to stay.
03:58But when you don't announce the money, when the deal gets done, that's a pretty big indicator that this is
04:05not anywhere close to where anybody thought.
04:07Like, even if it was, like, say, one for eight million.
04:10Okay.
04:10You know, I mean, obviously, that's a good money, a huge raise over what he was getting.
04:14Maybe it's not the multi-year deal that he thought.
04:17But, okay, you know, that's good money.
04:19But, you know, that's curious.
04:21I don't know.
04:21I mean, sometimes these things are, again, in musical chairs, right, that there's only so many teams at any given
04:26moment in time who are willing to spend on position X.
04:29And he was, you know, if that's the way that went, he fell short.
04:34I mean, it wasn't just, you know, this was coming from a lot of different sources and noises and reports
04:39out there that Chris Paul was somebody to keep an eye on.
04:42So, yeah, it's interesting.
04:43I think what's really interesting to me about this one, though, Kevin, is that, okay, so he started the last
04:4915 games.
04:50And you would think, okay, well, if he's coming back at a minimum, he's the starter.
04:55Not nothing that they would tell him that definitively, but you would think that would be the case.
04:58I don't even know definitively if we can say that because I think that, you know, from an upside perspective,
05:04Brandon Coleman's athleticism trumps Chris Paul's power, I would say.
05:09And with this new system that they're going to be using with, like, probably a little more zone blocking, you
05:16know, where you want to align me to get, you know, up the field a bit.
05:19I mean, that's what Brandon.
05:21Yeah.
05:21So that's Brandon Coleman.
05:23So, you know, look, obviously Coleman has to improve.
05:26I mean, Paul, you know, was the better guy last year, particularly against the past, but I just think that's
05:31sort of interesting that he's coming back.
05:33And yet I don't even know if we can say he's the starter, which would be wild.
05:38Yeah, you know, I was thinking about that.
05:40I was thinking even about at running back.
05:43I don't I think we are in in some of these situations in true offseason than training camp competitions.
05:51I totally agree with you on Paul, and it has everything to do with what they look like offensively this
05:58year.
05:58Plus, you know, I think we'll see more 12 and more 13 personnel, which, you know, is sort of drives
06:05the wide receiver answer.
06:07Not that I think they're going to pass on Ayuk if he's healthy and if he's sane.
06:11But I was thinking about with respect to Chris Paul, does his return mean you just pencil him in at
06:16left guard?
06:17I don't think so.
06:18I think, you know, they had Coleman as a potential answer.
06:23They've got Allegretti if they come up with another center answer.
06:25They've got, you know, there's going to be a competition there.
06:28They didn't think so highly of him that he was a can't leave guy.
06:34We have to keep.
06:36And then at the running back position, you know, Rashad White can play, man.
06:41And he's an all around back as a pass catcher, as a pass blocker.
06:46I don't think that you pencil in Ja'Cory Krosky-Meritt and say that Rashad White's like, you know, a
06:52third down answer or, you know,
06:55and maybe even Jerome Ford, who's had some good moments in his career.
06:59I think it's going to be a battle at running back entering training camp, unless, of course, they take Jeremiah
07:04Love.
07:05So, yeah, I think there's going to be some interesting training camp battles.
07:10I think we've got more clarity, believe it or not, on defense with all the new players.
07:15Do you agree or not?
07:17Yeah.
07:18Well, on the running back front, I mean, I think Bill is the early down guy, and Rashad White is
07:23the pass catching guy.
07:25The question is, how often do they, you know, what are the reps breakdown like?
07:29But I think their roles seem pretty apparent.
07:31So, if we're going to go, quote-unquote, starter, who's in on first down, then I would say that's going
07:36to still be Bill, for the most part.
07:39But, yeah, I mean, I think that one is, like I said, it's more of a role thing than it
07:43is, like, definitive volume.
07:45Rashad White can be your lead back.
07:47I mean, he's certainly been that in Tampa.
07:50He hasn't been just a third down back.
07:52Yeah, but I'm saying, like, Bill's not a third down back.
07:55So, you know what I mean, like, if they're both going to be used together, then Rashad White, like, unless
08:01Rashad White's all of a sudden becoming the dominant ball carrier.
08:05Well, that's what I'm saying.
08:06It's possible that he just wins it out and just he's a better first down option.
08:11This is a guy that's had some really good moments in his career.
08:16I'd be surprised if that happened.
08:18But, you know, look, anything is possible when Bill only has one year of tape.
08:22It's not like he's a grizzled bet and, you know, we'll see.
08:26But, I mean, look, I don't think – I think Rashad White, like, he was out there on the street
08:30for a long time.
08:32You know, people weren't viewing him in that space.
08:34So, I think – well, I would think he's being viewed as, you know, at best the tag team with
08:40Bill and at worst, you know, the pass catcher when you meet on the third down play.
08:45I would be surprised if he's the starter.
08:47But, like, the point is that he can be the guy, whether it's because of injury or something's not working
08:53or he's a better fit in a certain matchup.
08:57Sure, all that is true.
08:58I agree with that for sure.
08:59Yeah, I mean, like, I guess my point is Rashad White is not Kenneth Gainwell.
09:04Like, if they had signed Kenneth Gainwell, I would have said, well, that's your third down back.
09:09Whereas Rashad White has been a lead back.
09:13He's been your first down back, you know, throughout his career at times.
09:17So, if you get to training camp and if it becomes, hey, man, he's just more advanced, he's more mature,
09:24he's more experienced, and he's every bit –
09:26here's what he isn't compared to Krosky Merritt, and I think we saw this in the Dallas Christmas Day game.
09:33He's not the home run threat that Bill is.
09:36But he's the inside-the-tackles runner that Krosky Merritt is, every bit of it.
09:43But, anyway, yeah, we'll see.
09:45Defensively, I just noticed you put up your first depth chart of the year.
09:50This is an early depth chart, projected depth chart on defense.
09:56So, tell me where – and I'm looking at it right now – give me – because I think this
10:02is interesting because we don't really know what the defense will look like.
10:05So, tell me how you went about this process and what you landed on.
10:09Yeah, I mean, it was more just to see, like, okay, let's look at the basics in terms of, like,
10:14what – where they have.
10:14Like, you know, like, even if, like, defensive line, like, if there weren't Armstrong is healthy, I don't know that
10:19he's not starting week one over Kaylon, Chaseon.
10:24But, you know, we'll see how that – how that goes.
10:27But it was more just to see, like, where do they still need some bodies?
10:31You know, I mean, corner is a pretty obvious one, linebacker depth.
10:36Potentially, as well.
10:37But, yeah, I mean, I just – I kind of looked at it more, like, you know, in the 4
10:41-3 just because I don't quite know what the 3-4 means.
10:45I mean, if Tim Settle is going to play some no's, does that mean he's, quote-unquote, starting or –
10:50you know, so we'll see on that.
10:52But I kind of just looked at it like, you know, if it's – well, I think it's more like
10:56this, actually.
10:56The front seven is kind of like – who are the front seven?
10:59And then if it's 3-4, you know, you drop 0-8 back to an edge linebacker.
11:04And then if it's 4-3, you know, he goes forward.
11:06So I just more or less had it like – had that.
11:09I think Jordan McGee is the question still there.
11:11I mean, right now there's – either he's the starter and there's, you know, no obvious competition or they're still
11:16waiting to possibly add somebody to compete.
11:20If not, maybe even flat out be the guy who wears the green dots and calls out the signals.
11:26But right now –
11:27Who is the green dot guy?
11:28Is it Chanal to start?
11:30Are we –
11:30No.
11:31It would be – it would be McGee as far as I know based on the current – my sense
11:35is Chanal is not a green dot guy.
11:39Okay.
11:41So Jordan McGee would be that guy.
11:43So Lou Vu, Chanal, and Jordan McGee, you're projecting to be in the starting lineup.
11:49Yeah.
11:50Like I said, I think the front seven – or, you know, the front seven with Dorrance Armstrong, you know,
11:55sort of as part of that as the eighth guy.
11:57But part of that, I think to me, looks kind of apparent, you know, with the two guys, new guys,
12:04Chase on it, O.A., outside of Payne and Kinlaw, per se.
12:08And then the linebackers, like you just said, and then it's just a matter of, you know, whether you're going
12:12to go 3-4 and move one of the defensive ends back.
12:15And obviously, you know, Tim Settle will play and Johnny Newton and all that stuff.
12:18But, yeah, I think to me that – I think the front seven looks pretty set.
12:24Again, with the question being is Jordan McGee actually going to be the guy come week one?
12:29Are you pretty confident that Bobby Wagner is not coming back?
12:35I mean, look, obviously there's been a lot of, you know, reversals here.
12:39Like I didn't – you know, it looked like Chris Paul was going to be gone, and then all of
12:42a sudden he came back.
12:44So, you know, you can never say never.
12:45He's still out there.
12:46And like I said, they haven't even added, like, a backup, you know, middle linebacker type.
12:54So I wouldn't rule out anything at this point.
12:57And like I do think that Bobby Wagner, if the goal was to use him moving forward, meaning, you know,
13:04attack the line of scrimmage, you know, seek out the play and attack the line, not, you know, not drop
13:09him into coverage, then, yeah, I think there's still some sense that that could make sense.
13:13But once they moved away from Dan Quinn's system to somebody else's, I know, I just kind of figured, all
13:19right, this is probably it for him.
13:21But it's not surprising that he's still out there in that, you know, he's not a guy that teams are
13:27going to feel they have to rush out to sign immediately.
13:29They can kind of wait and see what the market is.
13:31He's not going to be a fit for everyone in this day and age because of the possible concerns in
13:37coverage.
13:38But, yeah, I don't roll it out.
13:40Like I said, this is one of my frustrations at the end of the year.
13:43We didn't see Jordan McGee play.
13:45And they can tell me whatever they want about practice and this, that, and the other.
13:48But, you know, real games are different and they didn't do it.
13:52So it's hard to know what they think he is and, you know, in terms of being that guy.
13:57And, you know, we'll see.
13:58I mean, I would be surprised, I guess, at this point.
14:00But until they add somebody else, I'm certainly not going to close the door.
14:05I'm talking to Ben Standing, of course.
14:07You kind of mentioned from early on, right, that Deami Brown's return was a possibility.
14:13So, I mean, first of all, the fact that he basically was, I mean, shelved for the last eight, nine
14:21games of Jacksonville season.
14:23I mean, he was inactive twice, including in the playoff game.
14:26He had one catch over the final eight games of the season.
14:32The $10 million he got last year clearly was, yeah, thanks, but no thanks from our team.
14:38But they liked the player.
14:41And so getting him back one year, $3 million, just the Deami Brown one-year saga, do you think it
14:47makes Adam Peters look pretty sharp or not?
14:51Yeah, you know, for all the lamenting about letting Deami Brown and Zaccheaus go last year, you know, we've talked
14:57about this before.
14:58It's not that they let those individual guys go.
15:00It's that they didn't replace them with comparable talent.
15:04And then when the injury struck, you know, they just didn't have enough depth.
15:08But also, in terms of Deami Brown specifically, they didn't have his skill set, which was run straight towards the
15:15other team's goal line, and Jaden's going to throw you the ball.
15:18And obviously, that worked very well.
15:20And it even went to another level in the playoffs, which is where he obviously went from being a guy
15:25that, you know, had been a pretty disappointing career to getting a $10 million contract from Jacksonville.
15:31So, yeah, I mean, it never made sense that you were going to spend that kind of money on him.
15:37But, you know, again, the whole point was that skill set is still needed.
15:42He already fits it.
15:43And the other thing with Deami Brown, I remember, you know, when the new staff got here in 2024 and
15:48we're like, okay, well, what are they going to say about, you know, we know what they'll say about, like,
15:52Terry McClure or Deron Payne, but what are they going to say about some more of these fringe guys?
15:57I think Deami Brown had been a pretty, you know, underwhelming player to that point.
16:00And Dan Quinn, like, immediately started praising Deami Brown, not because of, you know, catching bombs or anything, but just
16:06because of his attitude, his demeanor, his willingness to block, play special teams, all those kinds of things.
16:12And he, you know, signaled him out like that and said to me, okay, he's getting on, he's getting in
16:18Dan Quinn's radar for things beyond what he's actually here to do.
16:21And then, obviously, he blew up.
16:23So, I just think Deami Brown coming back has made all the sense in the world, especially when they're in
16:29the position they are in now, which is because they don't have an obvious number two at the moment.
16:33You at least then need guys who can fill specific roles, i.e. be the guy that takes it over,
16:39you know, over the top on the defense.
16:41And Deami can obviously do that.
16:44All right.
16:44So, what's next?
16:46Do you have any hunches?
16:47Do you have any, I mean, we've talked about IUK until we're blue in the face.
16:52I mean, right now, percent chance that IUK's on this roster?
16:58No, I can't even give you one, dude.
17:00I mean, I don't even like.
17:02Of course you can.
17:03You're choosing not to.
17:04I really can't.
17:05Like, I mean, if I say any direction, like, it suggests I would know.
17:10I don't think anybody knows anything what's going on with Brandon IUK.
17:12Well, they say 50-50.
17:13Okay.
17:14That's sure.
17:15I mean, I don't even know.
17:16It's not an 8-8 cop-out on a season record.
17:18It's what you think.
17:20You're not sure.
17:22But I would put it at higher.
17:24I would put it at 55-45 or 60-40.
17:28I mean, all the evidence, like, in terms of whether they should or shouldn't, is screams they shouldn't.
17:33The evidence that there's literally no other rumors out there, there's no other conversations that we're hearing,
17:38that he could be a target for any other team is, you know, it seems like it's okay.
17:44It's commanders or buff.
17:46Some of that could be just that the assumption is he's going to be here.
17:49But go ahead.
17:50Well, I mean, people in my business will take anything they hear and put it up there to get a
17:54click.
17:55So, if something was out there, somebody would run with it, you know, even if it's a minor –
18:03I mean, there was even something the other day about Travis Kelsey might not play for the Chiefs.
18:06You know what I mean?
18:06Like, come on.
18:08So, if anybody had anything –
18:09So, do you think there's a chance he's not in the league next year?
18:13Yeah, I would think so.
18:14Yeah, there's a chance.
18:15Yeah.
18:16I mean, again, the whole thing is weird.
18:18You know, TJ Huchmanzada, that video from last week, you know, put it out there.
18:21I was like, hey, it's not even so much that he said here are the cautionary tales
18:25and what a team should be worried about and how a team should sort of deal with it.
18:29But, like you said, he hasn't even talked to him in weeks.
18:31And this is a guy who – he is apparently one of his clients, I guess, as a wide receiver
18:35coach.
18:36You would think that a guy who has not been playing – he didn't play all last year.
18:41Like, I'm not saying they have to be in hardcore training in February or March,
18:45but you would think there would be his conversations like, hey, let's meet up on, you know,
18:49April 10th, I'll come to your place for a week.
18:52We'll do – you know, whatever, something.
18:53But to not even have the conversations on top of Kyle Panahan's thing.
18:56Well, what are you suggesting that right now in this moment there may be just, like,
19:01questions about where he is, what he's up to?
19:03I mean, by the way, that kind of thing, of course, you're just – yeah, sorry,
19:08we're not even – there's no interest.
19:10But why wouldn't San Francisco have released him by now?
19:14I don't know.
19:15I mean, there's – I guess there's some – I don't know if this is an actual report
19:19or just the internet, but, like, some notion of, like, they think they could maybe
19:22still get, you know, a draft pick out of this from Washington.
19:25I have no idea how that could possibly happen at this point.
19:27So, you know, I don't know.
19:29You wouldn't do that because you then acquire the contract with him.
19:33Yeah.
19:33Yeah.
19:34Yes.
19:35I mean, none of it makes any – none of it makes any real sense.
19:40And that's why, like, the whole – it's not even – I don't even know if it's,
19:44like, a 50-50.
19:44It's more like an NA.
19:45I don't even know how to apply standard logic to what we normally discuss in a
19:50situation in which we don't even seem to know where the person is.
19:54So – or, you know, I'm not saying he's, like, missing, but just, like,
19:58if he's dropped off the radar in terms of, like, people in his own life,
20:02including the guy who used to be his head coach.
20:04Yeah.
20:04You know, all that, then, like, I don't know what we're talking about.
20:07So it's hard to speculate on any level as to what's going on here.
20:11Yeah.
20:11Well, Dante Wittner, who does a 49ers podcast, suggested with me last week,
20:16like, he probably needs, you know, a total psychiatric sort of evaluation
20:21and might need therapy before you make that call.
20:25But there's no way you would do anything but a one-year prove-it deal.
20:28I mean, that's the only way you'd do anything with him.
20:31So back to the question that started the IU conversation.
20:35What do you think's next?
20:38Well, right, I mean, I think center is the big, you know,
20:41matzo ball still hanging out there, right?
20:43Like, I mean, Nick Allegretti, sure, we've had this conversation.
20:46They feel comfortable.
20:47If it needs to go down that route, you know,
20:49there are still a couple other guys out there who've been starters in this league.
20:54Ethan Pocic, if I'm saying that right, was from the Browns.
20:56Lloyd Cushenberry has been on the Broncos and, I think, the Titans last year.
21:01Titans failed his physical.
21:03They cut him on February 25th, which was right around the time that the Oddish got cut.
21:08Right, right.
21:09So, you know, something like that could be a pretty, you know, easy maneuver, plug-and-play,
21:15and then you're locked in.
21:17That, to me, would be the biggest thing now.
21:19Again, they need depth at a bunch of other spots and, you know,
21:22more size at corner and things like that.
21:24And, again, the receiver.
21:25But I think they've already – they made their play in the receiver market
21:29because there wasn't many other plays to make other than possibly the Oddish thing.
21:33So, yeah, I mean, I don't think there's, like, a ton of, like, major stuff left,
21:37but the center spot is clearly a big one.
21:40And, like I said, possibly the Mike linebacker if they're not completely sold with Jordan McGee.
21:46What about a corner like Trayvon Diggs?
21:50Yeah, I put him down as, like, in the story you're talking about that I had up at the desk
21:54card.
21:54I put in, like, okay, what's possibly next?
21:56And, you know, he checks a lot of boxes.
21:58He's a big corner right now.
21:59They don't have a lot of size over there.
22:00He's aggressive.
22:02Yeah, he obviously had his best seasons with Dan Quinn in Dallas.
22:05He led the League of Interceptions.
22:07Now, things fell apart the last couple years with Dallas to the point that they released him
22:11last season while they were, you know, still trying to, you know, push for the playoffs and such.
22:16So, you know, you've got to sort out what's going on there.
22:20But, you know, again, if we're talking like a one-year flyer, that doesn't seem like a bad option
22:25if, you know, if he's all right, you know, physically, mentally, spiritually, all these things.
22:31And, again, Dan Quinn's going to know this guy just the way we're saying Peters is going to know Brandon
22:36Aiyuk.
22:36So, I think that one does make sense.
22:39But, yeah, I mean, beyond that, yeah, they need another corner, ideally, I think, someone to size.
22:44And this could be the draft.
22:45Like, I don't think that's, you know, taking a quarterback, you know, even hypothetically
22:50at seven if they think, uh, man toward the lane from LSU, who seems to be the number one
22:54corner, if they think he's, you know, worthy of me, you know, he's typically going off the
22:58board around like 10.
22:59So, it's not like it's that far removed from where, from, uh, from seven.
23:04So, you know, that's even a possibility, I would think.
23:06But, uh, yeah, I think those are sort of the main spots we're looking at at this point.
23:10All right.
23:11Anything else that I didn't ask you that you want to talk about?
23:14Oh, plus we may get a kicker at some point.
23:16That's probably way down in line, I would guess.
23:18Well, they're going to add a kicker for camp.
23:20I mean, it's not going to be Jake Moody solo, you know, more likely than not.
23:24Could be.
23:25Didn't they do that a few years ago?
23:27Or they just had one kicker in camp?
23:29Uh, yeah, they've, they've, they've had that a couple of times and it hasn't exactly worked
23:33out.
23:33Um, yeah, no, I, I just, you know, I think, you know, it's onto the draft and, uh, you
23:38know, it's, it really is funny.
23:39I was so excited for free agency just because, okay, it's going to clear up what they're going
23:43to do in the draft.
23:45At least it'll narrow the field.
23:46And I don't think it did on any level.
23:49And I don't think too much got clarified even ahead of them necessarily.
23:53So I think it's still a pretty wild board.
23:58And, you know, I think, again, I think the general good thing is that other than maybe
24:03the offensive linemen that are being projected top 10, almost anybody that's currently mocked,
24:08you know, inside, you know, the top 10 would work here in some way, shape or form.
24:12Um, so to that end, you know, they may have preferences of course, but to that end, like
24:17they're, they're not going to lack for options.
24:19And I wouldn't have to see, I'm not like, Oh, they're definitely going to take Carnell
24:22Tate because of the receiver situation or, or Jeremiah love or what have you.
24:26But obviously you'd have to think those two guys in particular, you know, the likelihood
24:31of them showing up here for available picked up based on how it all played out in free agency.
24:36But, uh, yeah, I mean, I think that's going to be the interesting part.
24:39And also, I think the good thing is here, like if they were able to trade down a
24:42couple of spots, you know, again, I still think they're, they'd be in position based
24:45on how things look that they they'll still get somebody that like, they won't like drop
24:51down unless they drop down like 10 spots, but they won't drop down enough that will
24:55take them out of the range of somebody that they would want.
24:57I think that's, I think they're in a pretty good shape even if they do that.
25:00All right.
25:01Thanks.
25:01Talk to you later.
25:02Always man.
25:03See ya.
25:03Ben standing, everybody.
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