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00:08This was a cold and calculated murder.
00:16There's always a breaking point in an investigation.
00:24The timeline of events didn't add up.
00:32It was crucial we supported our family contact.
00:49The attack was ferocious.
00:54Everyone was shocked.
00:56Everybody.
00:59And he suffered over 20 injuries to his body.
01:04There were injuries which cut into his bones.
01:08Multiple, multiple injuries.
01:11One that went into his lung caused such severe damage.
01:15Ultimately caused his death.
01:17I'd certainly never, ever seen anything like it.
01:23I can't describe that feeling.
01:25It's awful.
01:27No words for it.
01:29There's just no worse part of him.
01:45I first met Pauline Hickey around three days after the murder of her 16-year-old son, Hany Hakim Abu
01:52El-Kihir.
01:53From that moment on, I became point of contact in a murder investigation.
01:57My name is Paula Marshall.
01:59I'm a former police family liaison officer.
02:05The role of a family liaison officer is so important.
02:12The relationship that you have can make such a difference to the investigation, but also to the family.
02:21They have to have trust that you're going to be doing the job because at the end of the day,
02:25they're never going to get their loved one back.
02:29And the only thing you can do for them is to hopefully get them justice.
02:42My phone rang during the early hours of 28 January 2013.
02:48And my boss informed me that a 16-year-old boy had been stabbed to death.
02:54My name is Neil Atwell.
02:55I'm a former senior investigating officer, also known as an SIO, from the Metropolitan Police Service.
03:05The London Ambulance Service arrived quickly at the scene in Pimlico.
03:09And they were met with the victim who was lying on the floor, clearly seriously injured.
03:17The victim was then moved to King's College Hospital, but sadly he died just about two hours after the attack
03:24happened.
03:32Every single murder case that I dealt with was focused on the victim and the victim's family.
03:39They are the most important people at the heart of every murder case.
03:45Hello?
03:47Oh, hello, DCI Atwell.
03:49So deploying a family liaison officer is one of the first roles that is allocated.
03:54There's been a stabbing.
03:57Yes, sir.
03:58I'll be there straight away.
04:00Family liaison officer is a huge responsibility.
04:05So Paula played a key role in communication with the family.
04:10To have contact with the family and to kind of, like I say, quite a privilege to be able to
04:20help, to be able to give them some answers, to be able to facilitate the road ahead.
04:28Yeah, I think it's absolutely vital.
04:35So the murder took place in Looper Street in South West London.
04:39There was still blood there at the scene.
04:41There was a paraphernalia from the ambulance.
04:45There was items of clothing.
04:47Obviously, a serious assault had occurred there.
04:52Witnesses described a gang of youths who were over ten in number, all armed with a variety of weapons, described
05:01as knives, machetes.
05:03And they described that gang chasing the victim, who fell to the floor.
05:09And as he fell to the floor, he was viciously attacked by the gang.
05:15The attack was ferocious.
05:20Nobody had ever seen anything like it.
05:22Everyone was shocked, everybody, every officer.
05:26I'd certainly never, ever seen anything like it.
05:31The first steps are to preserve as much evidence within those very early stages as we can.
05:38Anything and everything that you can in order to try and find out what has actually happened.
05:43Because once it's gone, it's gone.
05:47The crime scenes that we had stretched over many, many streets.
05:52There was an awful lot of work to be done.
05:57Initially, with the forensic officer, we walked that scene.
06:01What you're looking for is other evidential opportunities, is there witnesses?
06:06Are there weapons discarded?
06:09We found a number of bladed weapons.
06:13That had been hidden in a drain close to where the attack happened.
06:17Knives, large knives, meat cleavers.
06:20So they were very quickly collected, packaged to preserve evidence and submitted to the forensic laboratories for examination.
06:30So there was the attack site where the victim was attacked.
06:34But then there was an escape route, which had a blood trail that led from the attack site through a
06:43number of streets over quite a long distance up towards Victoria Station.
06:47We realised it wasn't, couldn't have been Hanni's blood.
06:51There was a good chance that one or some of the suspects had cut themselves during that attack.
06:57With ten men armed with a variety of weapons, knives, meat cleavers, sword, et cetera, that they had actually, in
07:09their frenzy, had actually hit each other.
07:12So that blood trail for me was absolutely key because it gave us a really good opportunity of identifying who
07:20was responsible.
07:23Swabs from that blood trail were submitted to the forensic labs to try and identify who that blood came from.
07:32Local police, who know the area and knew people, informed us that the victim was a young boy called Hanni
07:40Abu El-Kahia, who was just 16.
07:42He lived nearby. His mother was literally around the corner and attended the scene.
07:52The 27th of January, 2013, I was in, cleaning Hanni's room.
07:58Typical as a teenager, pick up his clothes and things like that, generally what most mothers do.
08:06My name is Pauline Hickey and I am the mother of Hanni Hisham Abu El-Kahia.
08:12I looked at my phone and there was a message. It was like, I think Hanni's in trouble. You need
08:18to go and see.
08:20So I just remember slapping on my coat and running out the door.
08:24I didn't even wait for the lift. On the seventh floor, I just ran down the stairs and around the
08:29corner.
08:29She lived very close by to where Hanni was attacked.
08:33And she ran to the scene and obviously tried to get to her son, to see her son.
08:39And came across all this tape and was like, it was cordoned off. And I was like, what?
08:45And then I tried to get to him and the police wouldn't allow me to go to him.
08:48Which must have been really distressing for her.
08:51Not being able to get to her son at the time that he probably needed her the most.
08:56I can't go down to my child's side of the road to comfort him.
09:00That's what Hanni would try and do. You want to go down and comfort your child if he's injured.
09:05So I started screaming his name.
09:07So he knew I was there.
09:08And hopefully he could hear and know that, you know, mommy's here. Don't worry.
09:12I'm right there. Don't you worry.
09:16Hanni was taken to King's College Hospital.
09:19And Pauline followed along whilst they were trying to save his life.
09:22I remember her going so fast through the streets.
09:27And I was really kind of, like, scared of how fast we were going.
09:31But I just couldn't take my eyes off the ambulance behind.
09:34And I couldn't all the way there until we got to the hospital.
09:38And my brother phoned me, Paul, and said, oh, look, it'll be all right.
09:43And I was going, oh, I don't feel him anymore.
09:47And he goes, oh, don't be stupid.
09:49I said, no, I don't feel him anymore.
09:54I can't feel him.
09:56He goes, then shortly after that, I remember going inside and they said he's gone.
10:04I can't describe that feeling.
10:06It's awful.
10:07It's indescribable.
10:09It's like somebody's ripped out your guts, your heart.
10:13No words for it.
10:15There's just no words for it of him.
10:23Honey wasn't known to the police.
10:26He was not known to be involved in any gangs.
10:30He was not known to be in any trouble whatsoever.
10:33The estate was renowned for drugs and drug dealing.
10:38There is a lot of crime.
10:41It's very, very easy to get dragged into that world really unwittingly.
10:47He mixed with the people that were on that estate.
10:50But no, there was no suggestion at all that Honey was involved in gangs or drugs.
10:59Nothing could justify the violence that they rained down on that child.
11:06It was phenomenal.
11:07I need to know why the road my child loved his future.
11:12At that very early stage, the reason for the attack, the motive for the attack was very much unknown to
11:19us.
11:25The major challenge was firstly to identify a large group of youths involved in an attack.
11:34Piecing together the various different parts of evidence from CCTV to forensics and witnesses.
11:40And then proving that actually those individuals were responsible for attacking Honey.
11:49Those closest to the victim, which is normally the family,
11:53are those that can give us the best information about that person that's lost their life.
11:58And the family liaison officer is that person that goes into the family and investigates and builds up a picture
12:08of who the victim is,
12:09who their friends were, what their lifestyle was like.
12:12So that is all really crucial information right at the start of any murder investigation.
12:22I first met Pauline, Honey's mum, at her home address.
12:29She was so...
12:32I don't know if devastated covers it, quite frankly.
12:35She just appeared to be holding it together.
12:42But she missed nothing.
12:45I met Paula.
12:46She came with a police officer at Atwell as well.
12:52They were very nice, very impotent-y.
12:56You need to be able to have a family trust you.
12:59Because there is nothing worse, I think, than family, you know, losing trust with police.
13:04One thing that resonates is that Miss Trago said in all his years,
13:11that was the worst he's ever seen, the murder.
13:15They weren't belittling what happened, which meant a lot as well.
13:20You want to give that family the confidence that you will find out what's happened,
13:24that you will get justice and closure for them.
13:28I thought Paula was very empathetic.
13:31I trust her instantly, and trust is a really big thing in my eyes.
13:36And I did trust her, and I opened up to her.
13:41A family liaison officer was Pauline's point of contact for everything to do with the investigation.
13:48It's essentially my link into Hanni and his family to understand who Hanni was,
13:55what his family life was like.
13:57You try and find out as much background as you possibly can,
14:01because you don't know what is going to have a bearing on the case and what isn't.
14:10I come from Kilkenny in Ireland.
14:14I moved to Churchill Estate when Hanni was about seven.
14:17Nobody else wanted the property.
14:19I walked in, and there was a wreck, really.
14:22I just looked at the view, and that's it.
14:24I overlooked Big Ben, and London Eye, and Chelsea Bridge.
14:28It was stunning, and Thames River.
14:29So I think I seen potential where nobody else wanted it.
14:36We were always journeying together.
14:38Have you seen him?
14:39Have you seen me?
14:40He was a very cheeky chap.
14:42He was very cheeky.
14:44He was very funny.
14:45He was always hanging out with me, and he loved his head to be rubbed.
14:50So before he went to sleep, or if he ever had anything, I'd have to rub his head.
14:54He'd call me Pookie, and I'd call him Pookie Bun.
14:58Never in trouble with school at all dotted on him.
15:01He's just got that wondrous personality,
15:03so if you met him, you remember him, because he was really endearing.
15:08You could tell that he had come from a secure, loving home.
15:15Everywhere you looked, you know, there's pictures of this young boy,
15:19you know, with a huge smile and long lashes.
15:23And the way that Pauline spoke about him.
15:27And it was clear what a loving, close relationship they had.
15:32They were really, really close.
15:37Earlier that day, he said,
15:39Oh, Mum, I really love you.
15:40Give me a hug.
15:41And I remember giving him a hug.
15:45And I was grateful about that.
15:47I just didn't realize it was the last time I could ever hold my child.
15:53That's...
15:54That's hard.
16:03A number of CCTV cameras around the area showed the lead-up to the attack,
16:10the attack itself, and then what happened after the attack.
16:14CCTV cameras showed Hani and his two friends walking along.
16:22And behind them, a gang.
16:27And then you could see the gang begin to chase Hani and his friends.
16:33The attack site wasn't covered by CCTV.
16:36So the actual attack could not be seen.
16:41But the lead-up to it could.
16:44A gang of ten-plus ewes,
16:48wearing dark clothing, faces covered,
16:51who could be seen carrying weapons.
16:57When we looked on the CCTV at the start of the assault,
17:05it just didn't seem possible that they would have been able to have
17:09even identified who the figures were that were so far in front of them.
17:14It seems as if they'd just set their sights on those figures at the end of the alley.
17:20And...
17:22And it looks like Hani just wasn't fast enough to get out of the way.
17:28And there was some CCTV picked up
17:31that had shown some of the assailants leaving the scene.
17:36We were able to follow that trail up to Victoria train station.
17:42There's a cab rank there.
17:45Three males were seen in that queue.
17:49And one of them with an obvious hand injury.
17:53And they then got into a taxi.
17:59I released a media repeal quite early on
18:01to try and identify that taxi driver,
18:04which we were successful in doing.
18:07And we found that that taxi had taken two of those men
18:11to St. Mary's Hospital near Paddington.
18:14We then got CCTV from around the hospital.
18:17And through that, we identified two of the suspects
18:22going into the hospital,
18:23one of whom had quite a significant cut injury to his hand.
18:28The person with him was identified as Aba Barbatowski.
18:32We saw that they were joined by a female.
18:36A lady by the name of Don Jesse Gashi had joined them at the hospital.
18:47I remember...
18:49I had to go and identify Hani's body in the morgue.
18:53When a family have to identify the body of their loved one,
18:57it is obviously so traumatic.
19:01You just have to prepare them for what is going to take place.
19:09And to...
19:10Yeah, to just kind of be there to...
19:14To make it as painless as you possibly, possibly can.
19:18I remember then I was taken to a room.
19:21And then...
19:23He was in a glass box.
19:25I looked at his eyes and I thought,
19:27oh...
19:27It looks like he's just asleep.
19:29Like, if you...
19:30You can wake him up.
19:32But I couldn't touch him.
19:34I wasn't allowed to touch him.
19:36And all I wanted to do was rub his head.
19:38And kind of tell him if it's all right.
19:41Don't worry.
19:43Well, I think I was stinking in my head he was asleep.
19:54The blood trail leading away from the scene
19:57was quite a key part of the forensic evidence for us.
20:00We realised then that these injuries had been caused to
20:04what we thought at the time was one person,
20:08but turned out to be two.
20:09Two of them had actually sustained injuries.
20:14One of which was one of the men that got into the London taxi
20:18at Victoria Station.
20:19A number of the people we had identified
20:22were known to the police already.
20:24Some of them were known for offences involving bladed weapons.
20:28Some of them were known for offences involving violence
20:33prior to Hanni's murder.
20:36In every murder case,
20:39an examination of the victim's body takes place
20:43to establish the cause of death.
20:45The post-mortem examination of Hanni established
20:48that he suffered over 20 injuries to his body.
20:54From head to toe, face, head, back.
21:01Bassocks, legs, everywhere.
21:03Absolutely everywhere.
21:05It appeared that every weapon had hit him.
21:08There were injuries which cut into his bones.
21:13So that basically gave us the evidence
21:17of how vicious and severe the attack on him was.
21:23Multiple injuries,
21:25one of which was proved to be the fatal wound,
21:28one that went into his lung
21:30and caused such severe damage ultimately caused his death.
21:43To be able to go out and arrest someone for Hanni's murder,
21:46we needed to have reasonable grounds to suspect
21:49that those individuals were involved in Hanni's murder.
21:52We were able to identify both of those men in the hospital,
21:55which clearly brought both of those
21:58into the status of suspects within the investigation.
22:03Other suspects were identified
22:05through the examination of the knives found at the scene.
22:08When they were sent to the laboratory,
22:11we got some DNA and fingerprints back.
22:15There was a male called Ahmed Makaima
22:18and another man called Craig Boyce.
22:21Once the suspects were identified
22:23and we were planning the arrest phase,
22:25which involved a large team of officers
22:28where you have multiple suspects,
22:32they had to be able to arrest them all at the same time
22:35because that gives us the best chance
22:38of securing evidence from them,
22:40such as clothing they may have been wearing,
22:43telephones that they may have been using at the time.
22:45We had been visiting families of some of the suspects
22:49to try and track them down.
22:52None of them were at home.
22:53We established that they had fled,
22:55so obviously the word had got out
22:57that they were suspected of Hanni's murder.
23:00Our first arrest phase was unsuccessful,
23:04so we then had to continue our efforts
23:07to identify where they were
23:09and arrest them and take them into custody.
23:12Some of them we traced through intelligence sources,
23:15some of them were done with surveillance teams.
23:18We found that one of the assailants,
23:22Ahmed Makaima, had applied for a passport
23:25and he'd then actually booked a ticket to Egypt.
23:31So surveillance teams were put in
23:33and eventually he was tracked down
23:35to an address in London and arrested.
23:39So Ahmed Makaima was their first arrest.
23:44A number of them had left London.
23:47Arthur Barbatowski had fled to Bristol
23:49with his girlfriend, Donjeta Gashi.
23:52So I sent officers to Bristol
23:54to try and establish their movements
23:56and also to establish if there was anyone else with them.
23:59We were still trying to trace.
24:01But before we could get arrest teams down there,
24:06they then travelled back up to London
24:09and they actually got themselves in
24:11at a Belgravia police station
24:13under the guise of
24:15I understand you're looking for me,
24:17but clearly it's got nothing to do with me.
24:19During those inquiries, we established that Donjeta Gashi
24:23had assisted her boyfriend, Barbatowski,
24:28in staying in Bristol
24:30and therefore we arrested her
24:32for attempting to pervert the course of justice.
24:38Some of the other suspects
24:40had moved to a different part of West London.
24:44Craig Boyce was at a girlfriend's address
24:46maybe somewhere in Knightsbridge.
24:50There were other suspects that we needed to identify.
24:54So we looked into the backgrounds of those
24:56that we had identified already.
24:58Are the people known to each other?
25:00What happened afterwards?
25:02What happened before?
25:03Trying to establish who else they were with
25:05in the lead up to Hanni's murder
25:07and the hours and days after the murder.
25:11The local police were really important
25:15in giving us information
25:17and being able to identify potential suspects.
25:21The last person we arrested was Tarquire Jose.
25:25The evidence against him was built up
25:27by examining CCTV footage
25:30and telecommunications data
25:32and also looking at his associations
25:35with the suspects we'd already arrested and charged.
25:44The first week of the investigation
25:46we were able to give Pauline some really positive news
25:49that people had been arrested.
25:51I got a phone call
25:53to say they were arrested.
25:55I was thinking,
25:56oh, probably it's good,
25:58like, accountability.
26:02I still don't get no reason why.
26:05I just lost my child.
26:07I didn't know how to feel.
26:09I didn't feel anything.
26:11I just felt numb.
26:13I just felt numb.
26:13So I just kind of like,
26:15yeah, that's, you know, brilliant.
26:19It just doesn't bring back my child, does it?
26:28The interview process is another opportunity
26:32to gather further evidence
26:33by giving them the opportunity
26:35to give their side of events.
26:38I remember Makaima giving a reason
26:41for his DNA of forensics being found on Cleaver
26:45was something to do with the family barbecue
26:48and that material there would have come from chicken.
26:54All denied any involvement
26:57and all claimed that if it could be proven
27:03that they were there,
27:04then they didn't have to have anything to do with the assault.
27:09Identifying suspects in a case like this,
27:11you know, horrific murder with multiple suspects
27:15is a really positive and rewarding part of what I do.
27:21It has a positive impact
27:23because it keeps the team extremely motivated
27:26and more importantly,
27:29it provides some answers to Pauline, Hanni's mum.
27:36At the conclusion of the interview process,
27:38I felt that there was sufficient evidence
27:41to speak to the Crown Prosecution Service
27:43and it's down to the CPS to make the decision
27:46on whether or not they should be charged.
27:49The first person we charged with Hanni's murder
27:51was Ahmed Makaima,
27:54who was charged on the 4th of February,
27:57shortly after the murder.
27:59Arba Barbatofsky was the second person charged
28:03on the 7th of February.
28:05Craig Boyce was charged with murder
28:06on the 12th of February.
28:09Alongside Tarquai Joseph,
28:12charged with murder on the 14th of February.
28:14Dunjeta Gashi was charged with an offence
28:17of attempting to flirt the course of justice.
28:26One of the really important things
28:28for me to establish
28:29was why this gang of men attacked Hanni
28:33and what was the connection between them.
28:36They showed in the paper pictures
28:38of the suspects
28:40and I'm like, who are these?
28:42I didn't even know them.
28:43We conducted research into their backgrounds,
28:46their associates, their telephone usage
28:50and we couldn't find any evidence
28:53of association with Hanni.
28:57At that point,
29:00we had charged
29:02five with murder
29:04and two with perverting the course of justice.
29:07So there were seven defendants at trial.
29:15The murder trial was heard
29:17at the Old Bailey Crown Court,
29:19the Central Criminal Court.
29:20The trial began in November 2013.
29:24I was nervous, obviously.
29:25I've never been in a courtroom before.
29:28We were able to show her the court
29:30and tell her, you know,
29:33where people are going to sit,
29:34who's going to, you know,
29:36be able to see you.
29:37You've got a public gallery,
29:38you know, the doc.
29:40All of that is explained.
29:41I was prepared,
29:43but I don't think you're ever prepared for it.
29:46When I walked in,
29:47I was kind of in shock.
29:48There was so many barristers defending each suspect.
29:55So that was a bit of a shock.
29:57I didn't realize there'd be so many.
30:00The evidence presented at court
30:03was witness testimony from members of the public
30:06that had seen various different parts of the attack,
30:09the lead up to it, the actual attack itself.
30:12There was forensic experts,
30:14a large amount of CCTV evidence,
30:18following the suspects prior to the murder
30:20and then after the murder.
30:22Forensic evidence is extremely strong.
30:26We had found weapons very close to the scene,
30:29which we could forensically link
30:31to the murder of Hanni through DNA analysis.
30:36It can be an anxious time
30:38because it's the first time, really,
30:40that your work as an investigation team is tested.
30:43And it's tested to the highest levels.
30:49During the trial,
30:50Pauline turned up every single day.
30:54And the flow would attend every day
30:57that Pauline wanted to attend in support of her.
31:01I wasn't left on my own in the courtroom,
31:04so I was always beside Paula.
31:07She'd prepare you for what's going to happen that day.
31:10Some days, obviously,
31:12a lot more difficult than others.
31:15The details of the attack on Hanni,
31:18the injuries he sustained.
31:21I remember the 33 wounds I had to look at
31:27on each page of my child's body.
31:31not over 20, 33.
31:34Just want to make that clear.
31:38Because I went through each one of them.
31:40There'd be times in court
31:43where
31:46I'd know that the evidence
31:48that was going to be put up
31:50absolutely break her heart.
31:52of all those wounds,
31:54what hurt the most was the defensive wounds
31:56all over his legs and arms,
31:57where he fought his little heart out.
32:00Stay alive.
32:03I would just feel the need to just kind of
32:07show her that, you know,
32:08she's not on her own.
32:09She seemed to understand.
32:12She seemed to know
32:13when I wasn't doing very well.
32:16Just that little squeeze on the arm
32:18or that little nod
32:20from Paula
32:22just told me,
32:24oh, I get it.
32:25I see it.
32:27Through a dark time,
32:29I met this beautiful person,
32:32Paula,
32:33and I'm grateful that I did meet Paula.
32:41It's important for us to stay alert every day.
32:46So there may be,
32:47and quite often is,
32:48a lot of work that still needs to be done
32:51during the course of the trial.
32:52It's still very much a live investigation.
32:55One of the defendants, for instance,
32:58said that he'd actually been a police informant
33:00and that that was why he was
33:02in an area at that particular time
33:05or that was why the police officer
33:06had, you know,
33:08had let him go
33:10for a crime.
33:12And as ridiculous as it was,
33:14it all had to be checked,
33:16but to the nth degree.
33:18And that meant obtaining CCTV
33:20of the custody suite at the time,
33:23locating the officers that had dealt with him
33:25and getting them to court,
33:27because every single thing
33:30had to be completely discounted.
33:33And, of course,
33:35they have the relative luxury
33:37of being able to change their story
33:40there and then.
33:41My team at court were responsible
33:43for monitoring the evidence
33:45and then following any leads
33:47or lines of inquiry
33:48that needed to be carried out
33:49during the course of the trial.
33:51There may be people mentioned
33:53that we hadn't known about previously.
33:55We may need to decide
33:57to go and speak to those people.
33:58There may be other evidence
33:59that we need to consider
34:00that's coming out of the defendant's case.
34:03You just had to close
34:05every single thing down.
34:06They put up as much of a fight
34:08as they could, yeah.
34:15The duration of the trial was five months.
34:17I didn't realize the court case
34:19was going to be so long
34:20and so detailed
34:23and taking in so much information
34:26and trying to retain it.
34:29If I remember,
34:30it started around
34:31just before the middle of September
34:35and it ended
34:37on
34:40Hanni's anniversary
34:41the day he died,
34:4427th of January.
34:45So that was
34:46very difficult.
34:52When the jury went out,
34:54there's that,
34:56there's that sense
34:58that that's it,
34:59you can do no more.
35:00It's now completely out of your hands.
35:02I felt confident
35:04that my team had done
35:06everything they could
35:08to collate
35:10all available evidence.
35:11We did feel we had
35:13a really strong case.
35:14You can never tell with a jury.
35:16You just can't.
35:17And
35:19it was a difficult wait.
35:22The reason Hanni was murdered
35:24was never definitively established.
35:27He'd gone out
35:29with his girlfriend.
35:30They'd gone to the shop.
35:32So outside the fish and ship shop,
35:33they got chatting.
35:34Then there was other kids.
35:35Then they all disappeared
35:36and then decided to go home
35:38and play PlayStation.
35:39Something that was quite normal.
35:41So there was no clear,
35:44definitive reason
35:45that we were able to establish
35:47why this gang attacked Hanni.
35:49They had assembled
35:51close to one of their home addresses
35:54and then they could be traced
35:56through the local estate
35:59to the point where they
36:01spotted Hanni and his two friends
36:04and gave chase.
36:05They came running up.
36:07He had a hood on, a hat on.
36:09I don't know how anyone could know who he is.
36:12I wouldn't even know who he was
36:13from that distance.
36:14It could well have been
36:15a case of mistaken identity.
36:18Hanni was with two friends.
36:22Maybe one of the friends
36:24was their intended victim.
36:26They came down to that area
36:28of the Churchill estate
36:29in order to harm somebody
36:32or to murder.
36:34And it just turned out
36:37that Hanni happened to be
36:40a child at the end of that alleyway
36:43that they, that they caught.
36:44That's the only thing
36:46that we can
36:48come up with.
36:49Definitely a case of
36:52Hanni
36:54literally just being
36:56in the wrong place.
36:57He was an innocent 16-year-old boy
37:00who was attacked in the street.
37:05On the 28th of January 2014,
37:08five defendants charged
37:10with Hanni's murder
37:11were found guilty.
37:12They found
37:13Donjessa Gashie,
37:14girlfriend
37:15of Arba Barbatowski guilty
37:18of perverting
37:19the court of justice.
37:21So
37:21we had guilty verdicts
37:23for six out of the seven.
37:25It's obviously a very rewarding feeling.
37:28The relief
37:28at actually,
37:30you know,
37:31actually getting them
37:32off the streets
37:33and finding some justice
37:36for Hanni at that point
37:37was,
37:38was fantastic.
37:40If it wasn't for Paula,
37:43I wouldn't have been there
37:45to represent Hanni every day.
37:47And that was most important
37:50because the fact that
37:52Hanni was here
37:54and see what was happening through me,
37:56I felt
37:57that he got justice
37:59and that his mum
38:00didn't let him down.
38:01As hard as that was to do,
38:03I didn't let him down.
38:05And I never would.
38:07Killer's reaction
38:08when the verdicts
38:09were read out
38:10was
38:12quite pathetic.
38:13They clapped
38:14and cheered.
38:16Felt like a punch in the stomach.
38:18There was no remorse.
38:20They were treating it
38:21like it was a day out.
38:22It was
38:24that they'd done something good.
38:27That really hurt.
38:28That my child's life
38:30was a joke to them.
38:32To council, to jury,
38:34to everybody, to the team,
38:35she was just absolutely
38:38so grateful to us
38:40and
38:41and so relieved.
38:45But I think at the same time,
38:49none of it was going to bring Hanni back.
38:53The day Hanni died,
38:55it's like a jigsaw puzzle.
38:57It was perfect.
38:58It's all put together
38:59and when he was murdered,
39:01the jigsaw puzzle just got pulled apart
39:03and it's never been put together again.
39:05It's like that peace is missing now
39:07and you can never put it back together again.
39:17On the 31st of January 2014,
39:21Craig Boyce was sentenced to life imprisonment
39:24to serve a minimum term of 27 years.
39:28The other four defendants
39:29were given life sentences
39:30with a term of 26 years.
39:33I suppose I was relieved
39:34that they
39:35couldn't hurt anyone else's child
39:38because I think if they
39:41had walked free,
39:42they would have done it again.
39:44So
39:45I didn't want it to happen
39:46in any other families.
39:48But also I felt numb
39:51because it didn't bring back my child.
39:53Extremely proud of the work that my team
39:56had done
39:57to reach those verdicts.
40:00And
40:00most importantly,
40:02it's a point where
40:03Hanni's mum, Pauline,
40:06hopefully
40:07had some answers
40:09to many of the questions that she had.
40:11But no doubt
40:12there are further questions
40:14as there were more than those five
40:16involved in Hanni's murder.
40:20Dilawar Hussain.
40:25And we then
40:26found out that he'd actually
40:27managed to get a flight
40:29and had left the country.
40:30where he has remained
40:31ever since.
40:34And there are ongoing efforts
40:35to identify
40:36exactly where he is
40:38and return him
40:39to the UK
40:42to stand trial
40:44for Hanni's murder.
40:46It makes me sick
40:47that he's walked away.
40:56It's great to see you
40:57looking so well.
40:58It's really good to see you again.
41:00I really miss you.
41:01Yeah, I know.
41:02And me too.
41:03And you were just always
41:04under the phone.
41:05You're never too busy for me.
41:06I was like having
41:07anxiety attacks
41:08and
41:10and you
41:10you talk me down
41:12and calm me down
41:13that you made me feel
41:13that comfortable and safe
41:15because you did make me feel safe
41:17good.
41:17And that I could actually call you.
41:19Yeah.
41:20And now you're changing
41:21your number.
41:21You don't be calling me.
41:24You moved.
41:25You moved address.
41:30I'm moving abroad.
41:31You know, I will find you.
41:33You will hunt me down.
41:40Yeah.
41:41Thank you, France.
41:45We're really good friends.
41:48We've just bonded
41:51and kept in contact
41:52and
41:52she is just
41:55I
41:56think she's quite amazing
41:57and
41:59I think we just still
42:00make each other laugh
42:01which is
42:02so
42:04something so horrific
42:05and
42:08I think the world of her.
42:09I always say to her
42:11and I think
42:12she doesn't think
42:12it's a compliment
42:13but
42:14she reminds me
42:15of my mum
42:16and it's that
42:17way
42:18where she can calm me down
42:20and make me feel
42:20okay.
42:21She has that soothing factor.
42:23Remember we were talking
42:24one afternoon
42:25and you said you like
42:26muffins
42:27and that's more like
42:27can I have a muffin?
42:29And chocolate
42:30and I kept coming.
42:32Yeah.
42:32Within two minutes
42:34she had a gun.
42:34Exactly.
42:35That's the thing.
42:36We had to learn
42:37not to say what we liked
42:38because she would do it
42:39better with it.
42:40You didn't want to share.
42:41You'd have gone.
42:42Not with the chocolate one
42:43I wasn't going to share.
42:44You just went into the back room
42:46and here just.
42:49She's never spoken about this publicly
42:52and I am
42:53I'm so pleased for her
42:56that
42:58you know for the first time
43:00she's able to
43:02to tell people what
43:05what Hany meant to her
43:07and
43:08and
43:36why she's still fighting.
43:36touching this
43:37and you were like welling up
43:38and I just thought
43:39it was really touching
43:41that you felt
43:43you know
43:45you did touch her
43:46but
43:46I thought oh he's here.
43:48Yeah.
43:48Part of him.
43:49Yeah absolutely.
43:50A part of him there to
43:52see that
43:53like we did fight
43:54you know we did fight for him
43:56we didn't leave her.
43:57No.
43:57We fought
43:58we fought to try and find out the truth.
44:01I felt such great empathy towards her
44:04because I couldn't imagine
44:07losing a child the way that she lost hers
44:10and
44:10to still be walking functioning
44:13it was just incredible.
44:15I'm just very
44:17proud of her I suppose.
44:19I was really going to love her.
44:23I actually love Paula
44:25but Paula knows that I was here
44:28and I think she loves me
44:30and I think she loved Hany
44:32even though she never met him.
44:34I do think she loved Hany.
44:37When
44:39Hany was gone it's like
44:41it's like the whole world went dark
44:43and you shone a light.
44:49At dark time.
44:51So thank you for that.
44:53That's from the heart.
44:54I know it.
44:57I always come prepared Paula.
45:00I might be a muffin
45:01but it's a tissue.
45:07If I was to sum
45:09up Paula in one word
45:11which
45:12she was my saviour at the time.
45:28The
45:29the
45:30was
45:31the
45:32the
45:39so
45:44the
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