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00:00:19Oh, he's on.
00:00:23Oh, that's a convenience.
00:00:28We're probably almost exactly 12 hours away from meeting him for the first time.
00:00:34It'll be really real tomorrow, knowing that, like, what happens tomorrow is essentially
00:00:41the end of his freedom, you know, his life.
00:00:59All right, good afternoon.
00:01:01I'm Greg Squire from Homeland Security in Portland, and thank you in advance for helping with
00:01:07this case.
00:01:08Particularly, I'd like to thank our teams who are here from Brazil, Australia, and Europe.
00:01:12Just really appreciate you guys coming all this way to help.
00:01:15It's been a very long time coming, five, six years that Cassie and I have gone through
00:01:21it.
00:01:22This is him today.
00:01:23Kind of easy to spot, but we have a couple other pictures in the Ops Plan.
00:01:28He's going to be charged with Enterprise, and what that does is basically highlight what
00:01:33he's been doing and what the 400,000 people on his website are responsible for, the distribution
00:01:39of millions of images and videos of child sexual abuse.
00:01:43I've been doing undercover a long time, and trust me, these aren't just run-of-the-mill
00:01:47pedophiles.
00:01:48They're some of the most advanced criminals on the planet.
00:01:53This is the target's apartment, mostly relevant to the three who are going to be in inside.
00:01:57We're going to take him inside almost immediately.
00:02:00If he has his backpack with him, we'll take that into custody, same with the phone.
00:02:05But that's the exit there.
00:02:08Our three eyes in there will be in comms with Cassie.
00:02:11Cassie's going to be online early.
00:02:13If he decides to get online before he goes to his big appointment, then Cassie will be
00:02:18able to engage, confirm he's in the apartment, confirm he's online.
00:02:22So it's a big day for Quackers.
00:02:28There's a lot of foot traffic out of this door.
00:02:30A lot of kids move in and out of here.
00:02:31There's a lot of adults, families.
00:02:33So it's not just college kids here, it's a pretty good mix of people.
00:02:38Our three interior people will cover here, here, and here.
00:02:42He's going to have to walk past you.
00:02:44It's up to the three of you how you want to do it.
00:02:47As soon as they see him and begin to kind of get an indication what door he's going out,
00:02:51they're going to call us and we'll hit it up over the radio.
00:02:56The central location will be my vehicle and the few people who are with me.
00:03:03Getting into the building, it's going to be just the apprehension team and my car.
00:03:08Team 5 check in, please.
00:03:10So we're going to roll up in the building with maybe 6 to 8 total, no more than that.
00:03:15Let's get a quick radio check, like get to where your vehicles are, get your gear on,
00:03:19whatever you're going to have for tactical gear.
00:03:22Again, just to reiterate, the primary objective here is server access.
00:03:27Any questions?
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00:04:10Hey, how you doing?
00:04:15Hey, Greg Squire, Homeland Security.
00:04:17How are you?
00:04:18Good, buddy.
00:04:19Got to have a little chat with you, all right?
00:04:51I know you got to have a little you.
00:04:53I don't want to have a little bit of a little bit.
00:04:55You know what I mean?
00:04:56That's fine.
00:04:58That's fine.
00:05:01I just got to do everything you can do.
00:05:05It's fine.
00:05:07I just got to have a little bit of a little bit of a little bit.
00:05:59Okay.
00:06:04Good boy.
00:06:08Good boy.
00:06:10Bit of a morning routine for the dog and I.
00:06:13Get out into the woods.
00:06:14Come on, let's go.
00:06:15No houses, no lights, very little cell phone coverage, which is kind of a bonus.
00:06:23You know, the problem that we work with never goes away.
00:06:28What do you see, huh?
00:06:29What do you see?
00:06:30When I started my career, I didn't really realize how deep and dark things were going
00:06:38to get.
00:06:47In 2007, I wasn't working for the Postal Service.
00:06:50You know, I had two kids at that point.
00:06:55My kids are the most important thing to me.
00:06:59But I spent seven years delivering letters, and I was pretty much in my wit's end at that
00:07:05point.
00:07:07I applied for Homeland Security.
00:07:11Basically, they said, hey, you know, you're going to be assigned to the cyber group.
00:07:17And I said, okay, great.
00:07:19I was just ready to start working.
00:07:21Crimes Against Children was the bulk of what we did in that group.
00:07:26You know, I didn't have, uh, really have any idea what world exactly I was walking into.
00:07:32Yes.
00:07:33Good boy.
00:07:35Good boy.
00:07:36Come here.
00:07:37Come here.
00:07:38The first video that I saw that really opened my eyes to what child sexual abuse was, um,
00:07:45was in 2008.
00:07:48So, we moved in here, um, when the kids are both pretty little, like maybe, um,
00:07:54five and two, something to that effect.
00:07:57And it was just such an amazing spot to get.
00:07:59Uh, we had a swimming pool, great big yard.
00:08:05And, you know, we would spend our off time and just letting the kids run around out here.
00:08:09It was just a really nice piece of land to have.
00:08:13I think it was a Sunday morning, and the kids had been playing up on the deck there by the
00:08:17windows.
00:08:18I grabbed my work laptop, um, and I had recently gotten, um, a whole full time.
00:08:24A whole, basically, of results, uh, from an email search warrant.
00:08:28That was when I saw the one email from the suspect.
00:08:31And I noticed there was an attachment.
00:08:33So, I saw the attachment was a video.
00:08:36So, once I clicked and it opened the video, um, I just saw a bedroom, basically.
00:08:41The camera kind of panned around, and there was a little girl in bed, um, like, you know,
00:08:46in a, an adult bed, a large bed.
00:08:48Um, and she was laying there.
00:08:50There was a book, a big picture book, kid's book next to her.
00:08:55Um, and then I could see an adult male, um, coming into the, coming into focus.
00:09:01He started to read the, read the book to her.
00:09:04Um, and, like, for that, for that 30 seconds, it looked like no, something normal.
00:09:12And then he undresses her, and then the abuse starts, and the, and the girl just, it looked
00:09:20like her soul left, watching, watching it, watching it happen.
00:09:23And, and him, I was ready to murder him, you know, like, just watching him do this, and
00:09:31watching her, like, just endure it, you know, like, that's what it looked like to me.
00:09:40And, yeah, for that to go on for so long, you know, I think it was probably four full
00:09:45minutes of him raping her, um, it's a fucking long time.
00:09:53Um, I mean, I had never seen anything like that before.
00:09:56You know, now I have an unfortunate library of that stuff in my head, um, and, and so do
00:10:04all the other, you know, folks that do it, um, but that was definitely the first time.
00:10:11And while it, like, takes from you, it also, it also gives, like, you're not going to find
00:10:17a better fuel to go hunt someone down than that.
00:10:21Uh, it doesn't get any more passionate than that.
00:10:39Keep it small.
00:10:40You can always go back for seconds.
00:10:42I don't really like diet-sensitive Peter.
00:10:47Yeah, I know.
00:10:49How about that?
00:10:51I think that's even, don't you?
00:10:53One, two, three, four, five.
00:10:55Yeah.
00:10:56I don't know, man.
00:10:58Ooh!
00:10:59See?
00:10:59Small piece.
00:11:00When I first met Greg, I thought he was very intense.
00:11:03Super high energy.
00:11:06Hilarious.
00:11:09Obviously, very dedicated.
00:11:11We just became, we became friends.
00:11:13Like, we really had the same passion about the work.
00:11:17Why doesn't it want me to go that?
00:11:19I don't understand what it wants me to do.
00:11:21It's weird.
00:11:22Have you been here before?
00:11:23If I told you to drive home right now, you wouldn't be able to make it.
00:11:25No, not without GPS.
00:11:26Just saying.
00:11:27We were working all the time.
00:11:29It seemed like we were jumping from one case to the next.
00:11:33Focused on the trading of child sexual abuse materials.
00:11:37The good thing is that you come out, like, right in midtown.
00:11:39We had been doing all the conventional, you know, email cases and Facebook leads and things like that.
00:11:46We would say, oh, here's this screen name.
00:11:49Let's ask the company who it's registered to.
00:11:52Or let's look at the IP addresses that it's been accessing this website.
00:11:55It was so easy for law enforcement to go after open websites that everybody was transitioning over to the dark
00:12:01web.
00:12:25We would say, oh, here's this screen name.
00:12:28We're here.
00:12:33You're here.
00:12:35We're here.
00:12:36We're here.
00:12:39You're here.
00:12:41Here's the screen name.
00:12:59The first case that really took off on the dark web was the Lucy investigation.
00:13:06In January of 2014, we discovered this series of photos that, you know, was named Lucy of
00:13:15the same girl being sexually abused.
00:13:18In the images, we could see light sockets, electrical outlets.
00:13:23So we knew it was most likely a little girl here in the U.S.
00:13:28We had, you know, enough reason to believe that she was actively being abused and her
00:13:32pictures were being distributed across the dark web.
00:13:38As we gathered more, we learned that she had been abused from a younger age.
00:13:45You know, this girl was probably seven years old in the beginning, and we think she's
00:13:50almost 12 years old now.
00:13:52She was being raped by this man maybe up to five years.
00:13:56I mean, it really was, it kind of took us back a breath.
00:14:01The dark web is built to hide your identity, to anonymize your traffic.
00:14:07There's no traces of any information that say, well, this is where this person came from.
00:14:12So literally all we had with this Lucy case was the images that we were staring at.
00:14:18But this offender was very good at covering their tracks, you know, consciously cropping
00:14:25out or altering images to remove specific things and be able to hinder our progress.
00:14:31For, like, distribution or definitely production, we don't have that.
00:14:35We won't have that until we get back to the lab and do a deeper dive.
00:14:38We were working this every day for six, seven, eight months.
00:14:43We could communicate all through the morning, all through the night.
00:14:48In the photos, like all photos, you know, there's things in the background.
00:14:52You know, we were looking for clues.
00:14:54We watched Lucy grow up, basically, in an environment of abuse, like of a systematic abuse.
00:15:02I mean, it really took us back, especially, you know, Pete and I, you know, having kids that age.
00:15:10About the eighth month of the investigation, we were able to identify a piece of furniture in the photos.
00:15:17That piece of furniture had far more limited sales than other items that we had.
00:15:24already identified.
00:15:25We were trying to make contact with manufacturers and distributors and say,
00:15:30help us out with this, you know, this furniture set.
00:15:33Can you give us a customer list?
00:15:42We got a list of about 40,000 people that had purchased the set.
00:15:49At that point in the investigation, we're looking at 29 states here in the U.S.
00:15:54I mean, you're talking about tens of thousands of addresses, and that's a very, very daunting task.
00:16:03It was a tough time for the team.
00:16:09Nine months is a long time to look for somebody, and as we're doing an investigation, she's still being abused.
00:16:22There's victims that we have never identified.
00:16:27But you can't give up.
00:16:30If we're not going to do it, who's going to do it?
00:16:33Eventually, you're going to get something that will get you there.
00:16:47I can remember clear as day, we were talking about, you know, he's been very careful, and he's taking things
00:16:55out of the pictures that, you know, he feels would help identify the girl and locate her and everything else.
00:17:00But the question at that point was, like, what can't you change?
00:17:09Clothing can change. Bedding can change. All these things can change.
00:17:14But is there something that can't change? And that's how we came to look at the bricks.
00:17:22How often do you see an exposed brick wall inside of a child's bedroom?
00:17:30So I started just Googling bricks, and it wasn't too many searches that I found the Brick Industry Association.
00:17:37So I called. I just, there was a number on there in Virginia.
00:17:41And I said, hey, you know, my name's Greg Squire. I work for the Homeland Security, and, you know, we're
00:17:46working a case of a missing girl.
00:17:48And the woman on the phone was awesome. She was like, how can the brick industry help?
00:17:54I said, well, I have a picture. I want to know if somebody can tell me something about these bricks.
00:18:00She said, we have brick experts all over the country. We can share it with our distribution list.
00:18:06And we were wrapping things up for the day. And I don't think I was even at the car before
00:18:11I started getting emails.
00:18:13And I think we all kind of felt like that rush of adrenaline was that all of a sudden, maybe
00:18:21something could come of this.
00:18:30I work for the Acme Brick Company. I've been in sales since 81. Over the years, I would say I've
00:18:39sold in excess of 300 specific colors and sizes and styles of bricks.
00:18:46That day, I was sitting at my desk doing my normal probably paperwork or report or something for corporate.
00:18:53And it popped up in my inbox, and I read the email, and I knew exactly what the brick was.
00:18:59I noticed that the brick was a very pink cast brick, and it had a little bit of a charcoal
00:19:05overlay on it.
00:19:06It was a modular 8-inch brick, and it was square-edged.
00:19:09It immediately made the brick pop out to me that it was a flaming Alamo.
00:19:15We made that brick from the late 60s through about the middle part of the 80s.
00:19:20And I had sold millions of brick in that plant.
00:19:24So I emailed Agent Squire.
00:19:27I'm thinking, fuck, this is great.
00:19:30And so in my mind, I'm going, well, you know, would you have sales records of something like that?
00:19:37He's like, we've been selling this brick since the 70s.
00:19:40And it's all just a pile of notes and stuff like that.
00:19:44And I was like, shit.
00:19:45And it kind of took the steam out of me a little bit.
00:19:48And he says, I think he called me son.
00:19:51He says, hey, you know what bricks are?
00:19:55And I'm like, you got me, sir. I don't know.
00:19:59He goes, bricks are heavy.
00:20:05What I explained to Greg was that brick are heavy.
00:20:08And we can only haul about 10,000 to a truck.
00:20:10So we're not transporting bricks typically all the way across the country.
00:20:16So don't be looking way, way out.
00:20:18You need to be looking within this smaller area.
00:20:22He says, that brick didn't travel 50 miles out of this plant.
00:20:28What a, like, I was so excited at that point.
00:20:33They were looking in 29 different states and it was a needle in a haystack that narrowed it down to
00:20:39possibly one state, one city.
00:20:41We have an extremely small area to look in now.
00:20:46We were able to take the list from the furniture manufacturer and just draw a radius around this brick factory
00:20:54and see who falls in that radius.
00:20:58He whittled down this 10,000 plus list to probably 40, 50 people.
00:21:04So we thought we had a fairly good shot if we looked through social media that somebody on that list
00:21:10might have a picture of Lucy on their page.
00:21:14And probably by 9am, we were flipping through social media pages and there was Lucy right in front of us.
00:21:24Couldn't fucking believe it.
00:21:27Nine months of looking and we're sitting there staring at her and we all looked and said,
00:21:33100% this is her.
00:21:36100%.
00:21:39We literally started with a picture that could have started anywhere in the world and then we narrowed it down
00:21:44to one house.
00:21:46That was a good feeling.
00:21:49They had also figured out that living in the house was the mother's boyfriend and that that was a convicted
00:21:57sex offender living there.
00:21:59I mean at that point it's 10 or 11am and our first thought was how do we get there before
00:22:09she's home from school and eliminate the chance of him having access to her even one more time.
00:22:17And by 4 o'clock our whole team was in that house, safeguarded Lucy, head start the interview process and
00:22:27by 5 o'clock the suspect was in custody.
00:22:34I got an email saying we found her.
00:22:37This little girl now is safe and out of harm's way.
00:22:42My wife and I have been foster parents for over 20 years.
00:22:45We've had over 150 different children in our home.
00:22:49We've adopted three.
00:22:51So doing that over those years, we have a lot of children in our home that were abused, that were
00:22:57neglected, both physical and sexual abuse.
00:23:01And it leaves a mark on you, leaves a mark on your psyche that stays with you.
00:23:12What they do day in and day out and what they see is a magnification of hundreds of times of
00:23:19what I've seen or had to deal with.
00:23:23So I can't imagine what they have to take home with them at night.
00:23:26Hopefully they are.
00:23:39And now I'm going to leave you alone.
00:23:50After the Lucy investigation, Pete and I really began to focus and become dedicated to the family.
00:23:56to dark web activity.
00:24:01The use of the dark web just expanded, just exploded.
00:24:05The number of users and the number of outlets
00:24:09was just a dramatic increase.
00:24:12That was our first glimpse of them
00:24:14creating forum-based websites.
00:24:18Those sites just look like a regular forum
00:24:21of people who all had a shared interest.
00:24:23People can belong to woodworking forums
00:24:26and gun forums and car forums.
00:24:29The structure is exactly the same, but for the content.
00:24:34They trade child abuse material all through the day
00:24:38and all through the night.
00:24:42Each site kind of has their own niche.
00:24:44So this might be only boys, this might be only girls
00:24:48or only hardcore.
00:24:51You build a community around it, and you quickly find out
00:24:55that there aren't just ones and twos of guys
00:24:58interested in this, but there's thousands.
00:25:01And it just becomes a breeding ground
00:25:04for who can be the more shocking person,
00:25:09who can take things to the next level.
00:25:11We saw the abuse of children getting younger
00:25:16and getting more violent.
00:25:19Probably it was out there, you know, 10 years ago,
00:25:21but now we saw it all in one place.
00:25:24And with this anonymous network,
00:25:28they were hiding nothing.
00:25:31They felt free to say whatever they wanted,
00:25:34and that's frightening.
00:25:45We needed to be in there.
00:25:46We needed to try to find out
00:25:48how we could infiltrate these networks,
00:25:51how we could disrupt them.
00:25:53What could be done to take on
00:25:55a group of 100,000 guys
00:25:59with the resources we had,
00:26:01which, you know, to this day
00:26:03remain very small.
00:26:07This was really the beginning
00:26:08of having dedicated online undercover officers
00:26:13that would function full-time
00:26:17being part of these communities.
00:26:21A lot of undercover work,
00:26:22which Greg took the lion's share of,
00:26:26being able to be accepted by such a group
00:26:29is a pretty heavy task.
00:26:32It's like going undercover
00:26:35with the mob or something.
00:26:38Face-to-face undercover,
00:26:39there's a lot written about that.
00:26:42People going into gangs
00:26:44and going into doing these
00:26:45really deep undercover roles,
00:26:48but this was brand new.
00:26:50You know, we were entering
00:26:52and working
00:26:53in a borderless environment
00:26:56that was operating
00:27:0024 hours a day.
00:27:03We realized the need
00:27:05for some help.
00:27:49I remember my first investigation,
00:27:52my first road
00:27:53My first task in this new job was watching several hours of a kid being raped in a hard way.
00:28:08It was really difficult for me.
00:28:14And it changed me as a person, as a man, as a father. It changed me.
00:28:20And that's when JetBoys, BAP and GAP came online. I think that's the first time we see the Russians sort
00:28:26of...
00:28:26We establish a network with different investigators.
00:28:29And it's easy to send a message to someone like Greg and all the other Gregs that I know around
00:28:36the world.
00:28:40It takes a network to defeat another network.
00:28:45Globally, we were all trying to find our way, trying to find a strategy so that we were focusing on
00:28:52the most violent offenders, the most dangerous offenders.
00:28:59In 2015, a dark website opened up called Baby Heart.
00:29:04Baby Heart was a board on the darknet dedicated to babies and toddlers, pictures and movies of babies and toddlers
00:29:12being abused.
00:29:14Contents, the pictures we do with babies was terrible.
00:29:19A guy named Twinkle was the self-professed operator of the site.
00:29:23Naturally, he became a person of great interest to all of us.
00:29:28He was not just the administrator, but a major contributor.
00:29:31Twinkle was the worst person on the darknet regarding the crime of child abuse.
00:29:38There was times when he was contributing almost an unbelievable amount of material.
00:29:44I think it was somewhere between 12 and 15 children at that point that we could attribute to this one
00:29:51guy.
00:29:51And to watch somebody abuse, rape, a baby, there's nothing human about it.
00:30:03In any way, getting the password is always easier.
00:30:08That became an instant focus for our online undercover work.
00:30:13We started to work with Interpol, Homeland Security from the United States, Australia, England, Spain, France, everybody was chasing Twinkle.
00:30:25Baby Heart went from a couple thousand to 100,000 members.
00:30:30But trying to work on the identification of Twinkle was difficult.
00:30:35The paranoia in this community is ever present.
00:30:39There really is no letting your guard down.
00:30:41Twinkle used several maneuvers to cover the tracks on the darknet.
00:30:50He was writing in different languages, like French, Spanish, Portuguese, English.
00:30:59In those chats that were written in English, he used an expression.
00:31:06He said, it cost me the eyes of my face.
00:31:10It's a Portuguese expression.
00:31:12It's not an expression that you can use in English.
00:31:15It was the first clue about the nationality of Twinkle.
00:31:24Our Brazilian partners had arrested a guy that had had a relationship online with Twinkle.
00:31:32When this guy was arrested, they seized a lot of evidence during a house search.
00:31:38What they found was a link to a Facebook page in Portugal.
00:31:45That is what, in fact, broke open the case.
00:31:52Some of the pictures that we had of Twinkle abusing the children, we could see his hand.
00:31:57And his hand had a skin condition.
00:32:00And once we started that deep dive on that page, we saw a few pictures of that individual's hand.
00:32:10The pattern, the color of the skin, we had a match.
00:32:16We felt comfortable enough to get a team together to head down to Portugal.
00:32:22Greg was part of the team that was supporting us with his knowledge, with his experience dealing with this kind
00:32:30of offenders.
00:32:45On our way to Twinkle's place, it was possible to feel the tension inside the car.
00:32:56It was six in the morning.
00:33:00I remember my heart beating a lot.
00:33:05My main concern, it was finding and seizing his hard drives.
00:33:10Because we are not talking about files.
00:33:15We are not talking about digital evidence.
00:33:19We are talking about victims.
00:33:23We approached his residence, you know, pretty country road, farms here and there.
00:33:31And Twinkle's house was on the right hand side as we approached.
00:33:35A place he would pass by in a heartbeat.
00:33:39We stopped the car.
00:33:42Everybody jumped out of the car.
00:33:46We saw the door and it was the perfect time to enter.
00:33:52In the second room, on the right, we found Twinkle.
00:33:56Twinkle was in his bed, laying with two kids, around five years at the time.
00:34:06We grabbed Twinkle.
00:34:09He was taking away from the kids to a different room.
00:34:16I remember his face.
00:34:19He was surprised.
00:34:22You can imagine a skinny guy, around 25, 26 years old, scared.
00:34:31And, you know, in a certain way, fragile.
00:34:35Like these guys, they have a perfect world in the dark net.
00:34:41But in real life, they are not that strong.
00:34:46They are weak persons.
00:34:47That's why they do this to the victims.
00:34:49Because they are weak.
00:34:56We started collecting evidence inside the house.
00:35:00Pretty Spartan living quarters, despite the size of it all.
00:35:06Twinkle was pretty agreeable to talk to us,
00:35:10just sitting next to me and showing me his sight.
00:35:13But the forensic team had isolated one desktop computer
00:35:17that they felt was the primary.
00:35:19The problem was, the hard drive was gone.
00:35:26I asked them, where is the hard drive?
00:35:30And they told me, it's not in here.
00:35:33Follow me.
00:35:48He was entering deeper in the bushes,
00:35:51and I said to him, slowly, walk slowly.
00:35:56because we didn't know if someone was hidden in here to support him or if there
00:36:03was something that he can use against us. I told him, don't try to escape, because
00:36:12we will chase you.
00:36:18And then, around here, we made a turn to the right, he pointed, he grabbed a plastic
00:36:41bag with hard drives inside. I didn't believe that he was hidden buried here in the middle
00:36:53of nothing and really far away from his home.
00:37:06It was buried a couple of hours before we arrived. He abused the kids that were in his bed with
00:37:17him and took some pictures, made some movies, and he stored everything on the hard drive.
00:37:26And he came here in the middle of the night and buried again the hard drives.
00:37:38As the search continued and the questions were being asked of Twinkle, we went out to look at his car.
00:37:46And when we opened the trunk of the car, it looked like Twinkle was leaving for the weekend.
00:37:51There was some kids' toys, like some pool toys in the car, cameras, there was handcuffs, sex toys.
00:38:00And what he ended up admitting was that he had a weekend planned, and that he was leaving that morning
00:38:09to go meet another offender,
00:38:14and that they had organized this weekend to bring each other's children to this Airbnb to have a weekend of
00:38:24abusing all the kids together.
00:38:30No, this was completely new to me and everybody that was there.
00:38:36There was a pretty experienced group there, and this was certainly the first time for all of us to go,
00:38:43you know.
00:38:47They had a planned weekend to, you know, sexually abuse babies, you know.
00:38:56So the team sort of got a plan together. I think it was about an hour away.
00:39:02The guy showed up pretty much on time.
00:39:05The primary police officers went and removed him from the vehicle,
00:39:10and when they looked in the back, his two kids were in the back.
00:39:15He decided to start confessing shortly thereafter.
00:39:21Told us he was the one that they call the forgotten.
00:39:32Humanity is changing.
00:39:36You can see the sexuality is changing.
00:39:39And the internet is increasing this type of crime.
00:39:44Because we always had sexual offenders.
00:39:50But now we have a specific part of the society that wants to share with the others the abuses that
00:40:00they commit.
00:40:01And sharing with the rest of the community that you can see what I have done to these kids.
00:40:09And I cannot understand this.
00:40:14Twinkle's material was brutal to look at, and equally brutal to listen to.
00:40:25Any video, especially with audio, of the infant abuse is the hardest stuff to watch.
00:40:37Someone else from another country dealing with this crime, you know that that person has the same issues that you
00:40:44have.
00:40:47And Greg has those issues for sure, because it's too much.
00:40:53It's too much.
00:40:54It's too much.
00:40:54Every day.
00:40:55Every day.
00:40:56It's not a bad week or a bad day at the office.
00:41:02It's a bad life.
00:41:08The problem is the availability of it, right?
00:41:12If I'm an undercover gang guy, like, I have to put on my...
00:41:18Like, you have to, like, kind of get ready, right?
00:41:20Like, there's a...
00:41:21A ritual.
00:41:22A ritual to it, right?
00:41:24I don't have that barrier.
00:41:26So all I have to do is turn on my computer and I'm that other person.
00:41:31And each time you flip open the laptop, you're in that world.
00:41:38And you're having conversations with people about just the most horrible stuff.
00:41:47And then you can close the laptop.
00:41:52And, oh, shit, I gotta get to the game.
00:41:54Come on, white! Use each other! Let's go!
00:41:58Nice!
00:41:58Oh, nice pass.
00:42:01Jesus, kid.
00:42:02So in a matter of moments, you can go from really, really evil human to cheering for your kid at
00:42:12their game.
00:42:12Or going to their school.
00:42:15Or going to get ice cream and watch some guy hug his daughter and be like...
00:42:22You know, it's, um...
00:42:25It certainly came with some collateral that we didn't see in the beginning.
00:42:38I go to some special places.
00:42:43When I come there, I can switch off my mind from the daily job, from the...
00:42:59To try to be a different person.
00:43:02Because in the end, the ghosts, they will always be in our minds.
00:43:10It's impossible to send them away.
00:43:14The challenge is living with them.
00:43:21Oh, fuck.
00:43:25Oh.
00:43:31Sorry.
00:43:32Okay.
00:43:32Oh, fuck.
00:43:34Ugh.
00:43:36Okay?
00:43:37Yes.
00:43:39Yeah.
00:43:42Oh, fuck.
00:43:48Okay.
00:43:52I'm back.
00:44:01After the arrest of Twinkle, we thought maybe at least it would give pause to Baby Heart.
00:44:07You know, that was the objective, right?
00:44:09To take this kind of site offline.
00:44:11But when we asked Twinkle, how do we take it down?
00:44:15How do we shut it down?
00:44:16I mean, I can't do that.
00:44:19You know, that's, that's Lubasa.
00:44:20And so we pressed him a little bit, you know, who's Lubasa?
00:44:24And, you know, he just said, I just know him as Lubasa.
00:44:27He's not a guy who talks a lot.
00:44:29He just is the big boss.
00:44:34Lubasa, his name had been around for a number of years.
00:44:38We knew Lubasa to have up to six different sites kind of under his overall control.
00:44:45Maybe half a million users.
00:44:47We had been compiling little bits and pieces on him to build kind of a dossier up.
00:44:53Through that, we started to get closer and closer to him.
00:44:58The break came from another agency and they came to the working group and said,
00:45:03Hey, listen, you know, we think we know who it is.
00:45:11We ended up going to Brazil.
00:45:14We flew down there with maybe 10 or 12 people.
00:45:18US law enforcement, folks from the UK.
00:45:20I was there to offer an undercover's viewpoint on how the sites were operated.
00:45:27A gente chegou a esse nome, né?
00:45:30Chegou a Lubasa.
00:45:32Que propiciava que cinco dos maiores fóruns da Deep Web.
00:45:37A gente já tava alguns meses nessa investigação, realizando inúmeras diligências.
00:45:44Ele deixou de ser um nome e passou a ser uma pessoa.
00:45:48A Lubasa was on a whole nother level.
00:45:51If we get to him, we would have access to whatever's happening for him as kind of overlords.
00:45:58It would give us for the first time a glance from the top down.
00:46:13A gente vai tirar aí daqui, porque aqui não dá pra cá.
00:46:15Você vai ficar por aqui.
00:46:17Você tá aí.
00:46:18Você tá aí?
00:46:18Você tá demorando demais.
00:46:20Ei, cara.
00:46:20Isso aqui tem que morar uma hora.
00:46:22Vai.
00:46:22Você explica a pergunta aí, mano.
00:46:24Agora é vontade que você tá preso.
00:46:26Você entendeu agora?
00:46:27Você sabe bem o que tem ali.
00:46:29Você sabe bem os tribos penais ali todos.
00:46:32Lubasa was asleep when they went in.
00:46:34They aroused him.
00:46:36And he was a little uncooperative in the beginning.
00:46:40Você pode dizer quais são os sets que tem ali?
00:46:44Eu acho.
00:46:45Diz a relação de sets que você domina.
00:46:48Eu tô perguntando por curiosidade, porque eu conheço uns oito, mas deve ter mais.
00:46:53Pode dizer aí?
00:46:54Central Park, né?
00:46:55Ele era um cara jovem, com mais de 30 anos.
00:46:59O tipo de pessoa que estamos arrestando,
00:47:01está agora mais mais mais mais, sabe?
00:47:05A gente não veio aqui.
00:47:07A gente não veio aqui pra brincar, ficar tranquilo.
00:47:10They grew up with a phone.
00:47:12They grew up with a laptop.
00:47:13They grew up with a computer.
00:47:15More often, working in the IT field, web developer, software engineer.
00:47:21I mean, that's a total...
00:47:23That's a skill set that we never saw, even 10 years ago.
00:47:27They spend 40, 50, 60 hours online.
00:47:32This was life for this guy.
00:47:53On the dark web, Ubasa was a master puppeteer, sort of say.
00:47:58But, in reality, his day-to-day life,
00:48:02somebody living in, basically, the squalor.
00:48:08And yet, here's this couple thousand dollar machine
00:48:12running the abuse of 10,000 or more, you know, child victims.
00:48:24Because I have a peculiarity very bad.
00:48:28I put myself in the place of the victim.
00:48:31So I suffer a lot with the victim.
00:48:34That's bad.
00:48:37When my daughter was born,
00:48:39I started to let myself put myself in the place of the victim
00:48:42and started to put her in the place of the victim.
00:48:44It's a very difficult thing for me.
00:49:11It's a very difficult thing for me.
00:49:12Move in now.
00:49:12Move in now.
00:49:18Thousands of leads were sent out to locate and arrest
00:49:22individuals who had been part of Ubasa's network.
00:49:27Police for the ward! Come to the door!
00:49:29You know, individuals on his site
00:49:31reviewing child abuse material.
00:49:37And even if that person has not had their hands on children,
00:49:42they are the reason the sites exist.
00:49:45They're causing the demand.
00:49:47They're encouraging those who have access.
00:49:51They are as big a part of the problem
00:49:53by driving others to commit offenses on their own children.
00:49:59These offenders know everything about security.
00:50:03They are technically savvy.
00:50:06And they're always going to be making changes
00:50:08to try to elude law enforcement.
00:50:11But thanks to our online undercover work,
00:50:14we were getting things done that years before
00:50:17you wouldn't have thought possible.
00:50:20Making arrests and, you know, just making a huge difference.
00:50:24You know, that's an adrenaline rush that...
00:50:27It's hard to match.
00:50:36You know, at that point my kids were a bit older
00:50:38and, you know, very independent, very successful young people
00:50:41and, you know, that almost enables you to push harder.
00:50:45Like, I worked 10 hours today. I bet I can work 12.
00:50:51I bet if I get up at 3 this morning,
00:50:53I can surprise somebody online
00:50:55and I can get something else done.
00:50:58You just push yourself and push yourself and push yourself
00:51:02and you're rewarded because that shit works.
00:51:05It is effective.
00:51:12But meanwhile, personally, you know, you're kind of losing...
00:51:18Who was I?
00:51:22Who's... Who's Greg?
00:51:23I don't... I don't even know what he likes to do.
00:51:31All of your friends all during the day...
00:51:34They're criminals, you know? They're pedophiles.
00:51:37All they do is talk about the most horrific things all day long.
00:51:42And, um, when that's over, close the laptop and you look around...
00:51:50And it's just you.
00:51:58It was easy at the time, you know, to pick up the glass or a ball or whatever it was.
00:52:04And you don't think about you when you're having some drinks, you know?
00:52:09It's easy just to go,
00:52:11All right, the sooner tomorrow starts, the better off I am.
00:52:15Because tomorrow I get back to work.
00:52:19You know, I definitely had a time when, um, when alcohol was a bigger part of my life than it
00:52:26should have been.
00:52:29Numbing yourself for a number of hours is not a solution.
00:52:38We had been running at a heavy pace.
00:52:42There was no other focus than the job.
00:52:45It's very easy to go to some dark places, I think.
00:52:50Pete's my best friend, you know?
00:52:51And your best friends can see things that others can't.
00:52:55And they can see those little changes.
00:52:57And we had a talk or maybe a dozen talks, I think.
00:53:02I noticed things that, um, were obviously affecting him.
00:53:09Definitely unfocused anger at times that seemed out of place.
00:53:13Uncharacteristic.
00:53:14It's just turned into, like, turned darker, I guess.
00:53:24It's hard when the thing that brings you so much energy and drive is also the thing that's, like, slowly
00:53:33destroying you.
00:53:38Not too long after I got divorced and just a lot of things were happening, you know, in my own
00:53:46headspace.
00:53:49I think the hardest part of that was, I guess, admitting it.
00:53:55And I remember, um, calling up my sister Robin.
00:53:59We went out into the backyard where I was living.
00:54:02And, um, we sat there.
00:54:05And it took me a good four or five minutes to say,
00:54:11you know, I think, um, I'm think I'm suffering from, from pretty bad depression.
00:54:20I think I was ashamed, you know?
00:54:22I think I felt shame that I had kind of succumbed to that.
00:54:26You're supposed to be bulletproof, right?
00:54:28You work in a space where horrible things happen every day.
00:54:31Um, and you need to stand resolute every day and, and just be, you know, be tough or whatever, whatever
00:54:40bullshit we tell ourselves.
00:54:41Um, and that was a big, a big step in, I think, moving forward.
00:54:49I stopped drinking at that point.
00:54:55Mostly out of fear.
00:54:58I think my birthday was the last day I had a drink that year.
00:55:05And, uh, I just, I had actually opened a beer.
00:55:10And I remember having a few sips of it and then just putting it down.
00:55:15And that was it for two full years.
00:55:18Um, I just, that was, that was that.
00:55:21And I, and I needed to try to focus on getting my head straight.
00:55:32And a lot of that was for my kids, you know?
00:55:37Um, I didn't ever want to be, you know, someone, I guess that, um, you know, they weren't proud of.
00:55:54Uh, yeah, that was a lot of my motivation to, to get started, to get better.
00:56:09Um, you said you were fearful?
00:56:14Yeah.
00:56:16What do you mean?
00:56:18Suicide.
00:56:23I just didn't want to, I didn't want to have those thoughts anymore.
00:56:27You know, I didn't want to hide from the pain.
00:56:31I didn't want to run from the pain.
00:56:33Um, I, I just, I didn't want to leave them behind.
00:56:40You know, I didn't want to end things that way.
00:56:44Um, cause I wasn't winning.
00:56:48You know what I mean?
00:56:48I wasn't winning by myself.
00:56:50It just wasn't, it just wasn't going to happen.
00:56:52It wasn't going to be a, uh, a fight that I was going to win.
00:56:57Um, and if I didn't, if I didn't lean, reach out and talk to, to Robin, talk to, talk to
00:57:05Pete, and, you know, maybe be in a bad place.
00:57:14And I, I just didn't want to be there.
00:57:25It is funny to think about, like, kind of diving in with the, with the, you know, the case of
00:57:30looking at the 1A major and getting a go.
00:57:33Pete kind of stepped in where I needed him to.
00:57:36You know, I thank him.
00:57:38I, I'll always thank him for getting me away from a place that was, um, kind of dangerous.
00:57:43And I feel very, very fortunate to work with all my friends across the globe and, and to have them
00:57:50to lean on and say, hey man, it's, it's okay.
00:58:10I think that, um, I remember the first years, yeah, of work, it, it, really, it was hard.
00:58:17It was sometimes a day, two, three, and you, you, you were in an open state and you, you, you,
00:58:28you, you, you, you, you were in an open state,
00:58:38We, as officers of specialized organizations around the world,
00:58:45we started to understand each other just half a word.
00:58:51This is probably how much of our work has been.
00:59:21For years, he was a boy lover.
00:59:23He always loved things more violent, more on the rough side of things,
00:59:28a lot of rape, bondage, things like that.
00:59:31And even other users were going, you know, what's wrong with this guy?
00:59:36You know, he's talking about really, really violent and extreme things.
00:59:44LBO got the attention of the community right around November 11, 2020.
00:59:53He was making a claim that he had kidnapped a boy.
00:59:57And I was online that day and had read some of the comments around it.
01:00:04And, you know, we read those with a grain of salt.
01:00:07It's not uncommon for users to talk that way and to get kind of go down those paths.
01:00:14And LBO, you know, he was asked, you know, like,
01:00:17yeah, I'm sure you did this, you know, bullshit.
01:00:19Stop fucking around.
01:00:21You know, it's not funny or whatever, whatever the reactions were.
01:00:25But LBO took it upon himself to provide a proof of life picture.
01:00:34And this is a boy who's clearly in distress.
01:00:38I can see his face clear as day, a blond-haired boy.
01:00:42That really made my heart start to race.
01:00:46We knew LBO to speak English and Russian.
01:00:51Probably more likely, you know, somebody from Russia
01:00:54or one of maybe the Ukraine or something to that effect.
01:00:57There was no doubt in my mind who, you know,
01:01:00who I was going to reach out to, like, straight away.
01:01:15I gave him a description of the boy.
01:01:21I said, you know, maybe six, seven years old, blonde hair.
01:01:25I would know who he is if he's, in fact, you know,
01:01:29a kid that's missing.
01:01:5628-го сентября 2020-го года
01:01:58в отдел полиции поступил телефонный звонок
01:02:03от взволнованных родителей,
01:02:05которые говорили, что у них пропал
01:02:10при неизвестных обстоятельствах
01:02:12их 7-летний сын, который возвращался домой из школы.
01:02:25Вот это автобусная остановка
01:02:28после занятий в школе.
01:02:31И, соответственно, он вышел
01:02:32и проследовал вдоль дороги,
01:02:35вдоль дороги, вот в этом направлении,
01:02:38в сторону своего дома.
01:02:44Там вот все места вот эти вот
01:02:46прочесывались и туда вплоть до леса.
01:02:51Здесь была настоящая
01:02:55поисковая операция.
01:02:58Вот видите, дом завалившись,
01:02:59все тут досконально.
01:03:0114 дней розыска в режиме нон-стоп.
01:03:05В этой поисковой операции
01:03:06были задействованы все возможные силы и средства.
01:03:10Правоохранители, военные, спасатели,
01:03:12криминалисты, опытные поисковики.
01:03:15В поисках мальчика принимают участие
01:03:17жители села и добровольцы
01:03:18из разных районов нашей области.
01:03:20Каждому дают посильную задачу.
01:03:23Мальчик приехал после уроков
01:03:25на школьном автобусе в родное село,
01:03:27но до дома так и не дошел.
01:03:29Полиция объявила награду
01:03:30за помощь в поиске мальчика в 1 миллион рублей.
01:03:33There's a real boy missing,
01:03:36the description lines up,
01:03:38the timing lines up.
01:03:40And you just go,
01:03:41holy shit.
01:03:42This boy is somewhere,
01:03:44with this monster.
01:03:47The boy that had been missing
01:03:49for over 50 days at that point,
01:03:52it's a terrifying thought.
01:03:57But Yvonne had told us that they had called off the search October 11th and that they
01:04:02were just looking for the boy's body.
01:04:05And now we had called relatively out of the blue and said, you know, we think he's alive.
01:04:12While we breathed life into the investigation there, we also knew just how dangerous LBO
01:04:19was, and that was nerve-wracking.
01:04:30For me and I think for everybody it was the incredible pressure to try to find him as fast as
01:04:36possible.
01:04:37Well, in such a big country as the Russian Federation, with the number of people of 150 million,
01:04:48you know, Yvonne doesn't work dark web cases, he's a street cop, you know, he's boots-on-the-ground
01:04:54kind of guy.
01:04:55We knew we were going to need some serious resources to get this done, and, you know, those resources
01:05:01certainly included large datasets, large databases that Interpol holds, and, you know, one of my
01:05:08favorite people in the world is Gordana.
01:05:12I received a message from Greg asking me for help.
01:05:19I know Greg a long time.
01:05:21We worked together.
01:05:23Greg knows that I speak Russian.
01:05:27Gordana is an analyst and has worked, you know, many, many child abuse cases in the past.
01:05:34It was too easy to pick up the phone and get her involved.
01:05:38Can you tell me what information you had to start with?
01:05:45Loverboy only.
01:05:48LBO.
01:05:50Username.
01:05:51I have only username.
01:05:54And information that this username maybe kidnapped the boy.
01:06:02I start working on this case and nothing else except the work.
01:06:10Everything disappeared.
01:06:12Because I know that probably life of this kid is in our hands.
01:06:20I check our database in Interpol.
01:06:25We have huge amount of digital files shared by Brazilian police when they arrest Lubasa.
01:06:34And I found more than 13,000 digital files connected with Loverboy only.
01:06:42Photos, links, messages, posts on forums.
01:06:48So I was reading all the comments, searching anything that can lead us to this guy.
01:07:07You know, from an undercover perspective, a lot of our job was doing kind of round-the-clock observation.
01:07:13Observe the community and see what occurred.
01:07:15We were in literal constant contact, 20-plus hours a day.
01:07:22I'm not sure Godana was even sleeping, to be honest.
01:07:25All of us was in different time zones.
01:07:28But even if it's a night in the U.S. and Russia, and I send a message, I get reply
01:07:34immediately.
01:07:35So because of that I realized we are all not sleeping.
01:07:38We didn't even think about sleeping.
01:07:41Well, yes, the geography is divided.
01:07:44We are in different areas of the ocean with Greg.
01:07:47But I feel like we are working almost in one room and with Gordana.
01:07:55I just think we must find him.
01:07:59We must find him.
01:08:02Because he will kill him.
01:08:05We weren't under the illusion that LBO would do anything but kill this boy.
01:08:12He had been talking about that stuff for years.
01:08:15Kidnapping and killing a boy.
01:08:24These users, they really care about security.
01:08:29Because of that it was very difficult to find him.
01:08:33But they made a mistake.
01:08:36And we are hunting for these mistakes all the time.
01:08:45Gordana built a profile on this guy.
01:08:47And there was three little nuggets of information that were really interesting.
01:08:52The first one was that LBO seemed to suffer from schizophrenia.
01:08:57Now, in Russia, people that have diagnosed schizophrenia actually are entitled to a pension.
01:09:07Some compensation every month from the government.
01:09:10That would be something that Yvonne and their team could look into.
01:09:15The other point that they found was he talked quite a bit about his brother's occupation.
01:09:21And it was an occupation that probably could be checked in databases there in Russia.
01:09:29And then the third point was LBO had a conversation with another person about his mother being killed in a
01:09:36car accident.
01:09:38And it actually had a date, a year rather than that that car accident had occurred.
01:09:42So, we started, let's say, cross the information, cross the records between each other.
01:09:51And in one of the records we saw that a pension for a psychiatric disease
01:09:57And that company took a KPLO Dmitry, 94-year-old.
01:10:00And it was already a step in the way that it turned off.
01:10:04And we thought, what was he?
01:10:06And we called ourselves to our colleagues.
01:10:09And they confirmed that, that, indeed, his brother is a friend of the group.
01:10:12He has been working in their division.
01:10:16Since this moment, no one has any doubted anyone,
01:10:20I believe that the person of the user LBO is установлена.
01:10:26The only question is, is he alive?
01:10:32Unfortunately, the fact of the loss of children
01:10:36is similar to the death of a child.
01:10:46We have decided to make a decision on the search for the city of Koppelov.
01:10:53We had to take a mile from the house,
01:10:59so that the police didn't hear the sound of the car,
01:11:01so that the police didn't see the light of the fire.
01:11:05We were quiet.
01:11:12I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
01:11:33The door, guys!
01:11:35The door!
01:11:35The door!
01:11:36The door!
01:11:42Let's go, out!
01:11:44The door is closed!
01:11:46Let's go!
01:11:48Let's go!
01:11:49All right!
01:11:50All right, all right!
01:11:55Let's go, all right!
01:12:04All right!
01:12:06What the hell?
01:12:07All right, all right!
01:12:25Let's go!
01:12:26Let's go!
01:12:26Let's go!
01:12:26Let's go!
01:12:27Let's go!
01:12:27Let's go!
01:12:27Let's go!
01:12:28Let's go!
01:12:29By the way!
01:12:32And there just happened a miracle!
01:12:36Well, come on!
01:12:38Mальчик!
01:12:39Да ладно!
01:12:41Сука!
01:12:42Давай, блядь, парни, мальчик, внутри!
01:12:44Пацаны!
01:12:47Открывай дверь!
01:12:51Открывай корень!
01:12:52Ебашьте его там, блядь!
01:12:56Офицеры спецназа крикнули нам,
01:12:59что мальчик жив, он здесь!
01:13:01И мы закричали, что мальчик жив!
01:13:05Мальчик там!
01:13:06Мальчик там, все, слава богу!
01:13:09Да!
01:13:10Да!
01:13:13Дверь нам, блядь, откройте!
01:13:15Вы, ебаный братцы!
01:13:17Открывайте, пацаны!
01:13:18Дверь, блядь!
01:13:20Нормально!
01:13:21Живой!
01:13:24Смотри, я сказал бронированный!
01:13:26Бронированный?
01:13:27Стоп, стоп!
01:13:29Так, стоп!
01:13:31Так, все!
01:13:33Те сотрудники, которые проникли через окна,
01:13:35они практически сразу задержали
01:13:38взрослого мужчину,
01:13:39которым оказался Копылов Дмитрий.
01:13:44Пошли!
01:13:50Меня курица зовут.
01:13:53Как тебя зовут?
01:13:58Я подошел, взял его на руки.
01:14:03Молодец!
01:14:03Ничего не бойтесь, все хорошо.
01:14:08Я думаю, то, что я почувствовал на этот момент,
01:14:10уже у меня на лице, наверное, да?
01:14:16Ну, это был неописуемый, конечно, восторг.
01:14:19Это была радость.
01:14:21Многие офицеры, и даже в том числе офицеры спецназа,
01:14:24тогда плакали.
01:14:25Они не могли от вот этой сцены все сдержать слез.
01:14:30И, естественно, я сразу же оповестил и Грега, и Гордану.
01:15:00И Гордану.
01:15:03Я взял его в шутку.
01:15:06В шутку, и Гордану.
01:15:11В шутку.
01:15:12I looked at P there, and I said, they fucking found him.
01:15:16It almost took your breath away.
01:15:18You know, that's how intense it was.
01:15:22It was maybe 3 in the morning,
01:15:27and I just wake up in a little bit of panic.
01:15:32I grab my phone, take a look, and I see my colleague
01:15:38holding the boy.
01:15:50No words to explain this moment.
01:15:56I came to the micro-autobus, where my parents were.
01:16:01And they just grabbed him, hugged him and cried.
01:16:10You know, and seeing that picture of this
01:16:12and his parents hugging him.
01:16:18Yeah, it's just kind of makes you think
01:16:23of like when you hug your own kids, you know,
01:16:25and it just brings a totally different value to that, you know,
01:16:29and to know that they're safe and to know
01:16:31that they're in your arms.
01:16:32I mean, those parents were told a month earlier
01:16:37that their son was dead,
01:16:41and that, you know, there was no more hope.
01:16:44And there they were holding him on the train.
01:16:49Maybe the most special moment, you know, in my career.
01:17:13I was here for the third time.
01:17:16I was here.
01:17:17But every time, I'm like, I'm trying to get to this place.
01:17:24Because here, of course,
01:17:27in one of the last days of 2020, just happened a miracle.
01:17:32I can't call it.
01:17:33I can't call it.
01:17:38I can't call it.
01:17:46I can't call it.
01:17:48I can't call it.
01:18:04I know I've come, like, a good distance,
01:18:08like, from where I was at any given, like, dark moment.
01:18:13You know, I spent years hiding how I was feeling.
01:18:20Like, I'm pretty decent at lying and telling,
01:18:25being, you know, wearing a different mask.
01:18:27And then, hey, everything's fine.
01:18:29Everything's cool.
01:18:29You know, no big deal.
01:18:30Like, let's go do something.
01:18:33I kind of come to terms with or peace with, like,
01:18:39this isn't something you carry by yourself.
01:18:42This isn't something I care about myself.
01:18:44There might be some super soldier out there that can do it.
01:18:47It's just not me.
01:18:57Today, I have a conscious effort about recognizing
01:19:02what's going on that's good.
01:19:04It's so beautiful.
01:19:06Like every moment with my kids,
01:19:09I'm truly thankful for that stuff.
01:19:14I believe in this mission beyond 100%.
01:19:18And I believe in the people.
01:19:20I believe in, you know, we can make a difference.
01:19:23But I want to be able to continue making a difference.
01:19:29What little sacrifices I feel like I've made over the years,
01:19:35I would do it again, over and over again.
01:19:40I couldn't see myself doing anything else.
01:19:44I feel honored to be part of the team that can make a difference.
01:19:49Instead of watching it on TV or hearing about it going,
01:19:53shit, that's fucking awful.
01:19:57I'd rather be right in there, in the fight, trying to stop it.
01:20:27I told you a little bit about the bricks.
01:20:29Yeah.
01:20:30The brick thing.
01:20:31I've known about the brick thing since the beginning.
01:20:33You did, yeah.
01:20:34Yeah.
01:20:35Like the whole idea of even being able to have this conversation someday
01:20:38is still like feels super surreal.
01:20:41Yeah.
01:20:41Like it feels like a miracle in a way.
01:20:43I am incredibly lucky to have a good support system right now
01:20:46while I'm dealing with this.
01:20:48I have more stability.
01:20:50I'm able to have the energy to talk to people,
01:20:53which I could not have done this even like a couple of years ago.
01:20:58No, you just move on and deserve to live like a fucking awesome life.
01:21:02I would love to be, work on being a functional person.
01:21:06Memory loss is a big part of these things.
01:21:09And I just don't remember a lot of it, which is fine with me.
01:21:15Yeah, right.
01:21:17But like at that point, I was praying, praying actively for it to end.
01:21:25I had been at that point for years, but not to sound cliche,
01:21:30but it was a prayer answered.
01:21:31Yeah.
01:21:32Yeah.
01:21:33Sounds weird.
01:21:33I'm sure.
01:21:34But like we wish there was some telepathy and you could reach out and be
01:21:36like, listen, we're coming.
01:21:38Yeah.
01:21:38Like it does sound cheesy, but like that's the genuine feeling when you're
01:21:43in the middle of those things.
01:21:44And you just want to like reach out and go, well, fuck it.
01:21:47We're going to get there.
01:22:18It's amazing.
01:22:34My heart.
01:22:36It's amazing I think I hope that we'll be.
01:22:36Whatever you.
01:22:38You have a努力.
01:22:38Bye news.
01:22:40Bye.