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World's Most Evil Killers S04E01
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00:06On the 3rd of November, 2016, police searching for a missing couple
00:12at a property in Woodruff, South Carolina, made an incredible discovery.
00:19How are you, honey?
00:21We're bolt cutters.
00:2230-year-old Kayla Brown had been chained up in a metal storage container for 65 days.
00:30Her boyfriend, Charlie Carver, had been shot dead.
00:34And the coroner came up and said that they had positive ID, that it was Charlie.
00:41That was a hard time.
00:43You just don't want to hear those words.
00:46How can a man just walk out not knowing who this person was,
00:50anything about this person, and just end his life right there?
00:53The killer was a popular real estate agent named Todd Kohlhepp.
00:59Police would soon discover two more bodies on the grounds of his property.
01:04But the 45-year-old had even more skeletons in his closet.
01:09The murder of four employees at a motorcycle dealership 13 years earlier.
01:15Todd describes that before he leaves the scene, he goes back to each victim
01:19and shoots him in the head before he leaves.
01:22In total, Kohlhepp had taken the lives of seven people.
01:27The twisted serial killer had been hiding in plain sight for over a decade.
01:33Getting away with those murders signals to him that there are no consequences for this.
01:38I can kill and I can get away with it.
01:41Todd Kohlhepp had been unmasked as one of the world's most evil killers.
02:08When 45-year-old real estate agent Todd Kohlhepp
02:12was arrested for the murder of three people and the kidnap of another
02:17on his property in Woodruff, South Carolina, in November 2016,
02:23investigators had no idea he was also responsible for an unsolved shooting spree
02:29which killed four others 13 years earlier.
02:35Journalist Daniel Gross knows Kohlhepp's story better than most.
02:40When I hear the name Todd Kohlhepp, I picture him sitting in that interrogation room
02:47when he was initially arrested
02:49and in his mind he had those investigators wrapped around his finger.
02:54He was confessing to a murder that they were not able to solve for 13 years.
02:59And so just when I see his name or see his face,
03:03I always just think about his ego and personality behind the man that's murdered all these people.
03:26Daniel continues to discover more about the deranged serial killer.
03:32Kohlhepp regularly pens letters to him from his cell.
03:36I mean, as a journalist, this is one of those cases that you only really dream up.
03:41You know, it's sort of larger than life,
03:43almost like you're just reading a horror book or something.
03:49Even today, you know, he's in prison for the rest of his life.
03:52He's convicted of murdering seven people.
03:54I almost feel like we're still just scratching the surface.
03:57This killer story begins in the sunshine state of Florida.
04:03Todd Samsell was born in Fort Lauderdale on the 7th of March 1971,
04:10but his parents split up when he was just two.
04:13Todd adopted his stepfather's surname, Kohlhepp, when his mother remarried,
04:19but his formative years were far from happy.
04:23When we look back at Kohlhepp's childhood,
04:25we are almost ticking off all of the warning sign behaviours for serial homicide.
04:31We've got somebody who has real difficulty forming relationships with his peers.
04:35So he doesn't see children his own age as potential allies, potential friends.
04:41He sees them as competitors.
04:43He can only communicate and interact with them aggressively.
04:47He basically wants to crush everybody else and to come out victorious.
04:52We also have a history of animal cruelty.
04:54We know that he bleached a goldfish.
04:56We know that he shot a dog with an air gun.
04:59Here is somebody who enjoys causing harm to other people and other living creatures.
05:04It's something that makes him feel powerful.
05:06And that sadism is a thread that will run throughout the rest of his life.
05:10The family relocated to South Carolina, but Kohlhepp's mother divorced again in 1982.
05:18The couple would go on to remarry each other several times throughout Todd's life.
05:2512-year-old Todd was causing so much disruption at home
05:29that a decision was made to move him 2,000 miles across the country.
05:35Eventually, he was fed up with living here
05:37and convinced his mother to let him go live with his birth father,
05:42who he really hadn't seen at all, in Arizona.
05:45And I think that might have been a way for him to try to see life in a new light
05:49and maybe get a fresh start, change a scene, change a venue.
05:54But there was to be no improvement in Todd's behavior.
05:58In fact, in November 1986, the troubled teenager would soon turn to violent crime.
06:06He was 15 years old, and the reports say that he had gone outside and found a neighbor
06:12who was a 14-year-old girl, and he ended up kidnapping her
06:17and taking him back to his father's house.
06:19And that's where he duct-taped her mouth.
06:21He held a pistol to her head and sexually assaulted her.
06:27It was a horrific and unprovoked attack.
06:31He threatens to kill her. He says,
06:33If you tell anyone about this, I'll kill your family, I'll kill your siblings, I'll kill you.
06:38I mean, scared her to death.
06:40It's chilling, genuinely chilling,
06:42that he's so convinced of his own importance,
06:46so convinced of his own superiority,
06:49that he can get away with anything.
06:51He really does think that the girl won't tell anyone.
06:53But the girl's family were already concerned for the missing teenager.
06:59Her young brother had recently been taught
07:01what to do if you need help in an emergency,
07:05and he had raised the alarm.
07:07The rape victim had a 5-year-old brother,
07:10and he was concerned that he couldn't find her,
07:12so he called the police,
07:14and as he was on the phone to the police,
07:16his sister comes in through the door
07:18and then talks to the officers and tells them what had happened.
07:22But for me, the interesting thing is,
07:24is Kohlhepp's reaction when he was arrested,
07:27because his overriding concern was,
07:30How much trouble am I in?
07:31How much prison time am I likely to serve?
07:34Absolutely no concern for his victim whatsoever.
07:37It's all me, myself, and I.
07:40In October 1987, age just 16,
07:45Todd Kohlhepp was sent to prison for 15 years.
07:49You know, a lot of people say,
07:51that's your time for rehabilitation.
07:53I think for Todd it was the opposite.
07:55I think he sat there
07:57and continued to harbor all of this inner struggle.
08:00After serving his sentence,
08:02Kohlhepp was released on November 24, 2001.
08:07He'd spent almost half his life in prison.
08:10So now he's 30 years old
08:12and newly out of prison,
08:15so of course he's going to move back
08:17to South Carolina to be with his mom.
08:19When Kohlhepp is released,
08:21he starts an image management campaign, essentially.
08:25During his time in prison,
08:27he's performed this role as a model inmate.
08:29Now he's been released.
08:30He needs to basically do some damage limitation
08:33in terms of establishing a new life for himself.
08:36Five years after his release in 2006,
08:40Kohlhepp applied for a real estate license
08:43in South Carolina.
08:45Despite being on the sex offenders register,
08:48the 35-year-old managed to talk his way around it.
08:52They raised that issue with him and said,
08:54well, we know you're applying for this license,
08:56but there's this on your record.
08:57And he submitted a letter,
08:59essentially just downplaying the entire conviction.
09:04And he basically explains this offense
09:06as a misunderstanding between him and a girlfriend.
09:10So he's basically saying, well, this was, this was hurtful.
09:14This wasn't really me.
09:15In June 2006, Kohlhepp was granted
09:20his real estate agent's license.
09:23He opened his own business,
09:24and on the outside was living the life
09:27of a well-respected model citizen,
09:30albeit with an unhealthy fascination for guns.
09:35Kohlhepp was an avid collector of firearms.
09:38And I think this is something that he inherited
09:41in a way from his father,
09:42who also had quite a considerable collection.
09:45But I think for me,
09:46it's about what firearms represents.
09:48They represent power.
09:50They represent authority.
09:51And I think if you look at them
09:52in the context of Kohlhepp's other hobbies and interests,
09:56they are quite grandiose.
09:57They are quite alpha male.
09:59So he had a pilot's license.
10:01He was into motorbikes.
10:03He liked fast cars.
10:05So all of this paints a picture
10:07of the kind of American dream,
10:09you know, the macho American character.
10:12But this charming man about town
10:15was hiding a huge secret.
10:17In November 2003,
10:20less than three years before becoming
10:22a successful real estate agent,
10:24Todd Kohlhepp had gunned down four people in cold blood.
10:29On the 6th of November,
10:31Kohlhepp walked into a local motorcycle dealership
10:34called Superbike Motorsports.
10:38Scott Ponder opened it
10:39and he had a passion for motorcycles,
10:42loved to ride, you know.
10:43So they built this whole business
10:44around this motorcycle shop.
10:46And people knew about them, you know.
10:48It was a thriving business.
10:49And it was a family business.
10:5130-year-old Scott employed
10:53a small number of people,
10:55including his 52-year-old mother,
10:58Beverly Guy.
10:59Scott's wife had moved to South Carolina
11:02from Arizona to be with her husband.
11:05They were married in January 2002.
11:09From a young age and teen years,
11:13he was really into motorcycles.
11:14And so I think early on in his years,
11:18he always planned on having
11:20his own motorcycle dealership.
11:21Like, he knew that that would happen.
11:24He was just a gentle person.
11:27He had the ability
11:29to make you feel really comfortable.
11:30I think which is why
11:32he was so successful in his business
11:34is because people that came in
11:36were immediately put at ease
11:38with just his demeanor.
11:40In November 2003,
11:43Melissa had recently found out
11:45that she was pregnant
11:46with the couple's first child.
11:49So Scott was not going
11:51to actually go to that
11:52first appointment with me.
11:53He was busy.
11:54And at the last minute,
11:56he just decided,
11:57you know what,
11:58I'm going to go hear the heartbeat.
11:59I've never heard this before.
12:00This is new and exciting.
12:02And so he surprised me
12:04by showing up at the hospital.
12:07I'm going to forever remember that day
12:09because he wasn't supposed to be there.
12:13And he was.
12:14And we walked in
12:15and we were able to experience
12:16that together.
12:17And it was pretty exciting,
12:19you know,
12:19for them to find this beating heart
12:22and us to, you know,
12:24get excited over the fact that,
12:26yay, we're going to have a family.
12:27And that was a good day for us.
12:30I never would have imagined
12:31that two days later,
12:33it would all change.
12:36On the day of the attack
12:38at Superbike Motorsports,
12:40nothing seemed out of the ordinary.
12:44So November 6th of 2003,
12:48he went on to work
12:50and I got ready for work
12:52and my last memory in my mind
12:56and the picture I have in my mind
12:57is I passed the motorcycle dealership
12:59that morning
13:00and honked at him
13:02and he was standing
13:02at the side of the dealership
13:04and he waved and blew a kiss
13:05and that's honestly the last time
13:07I ever saw him alive.
13:09At around 3 p.m.,
13:12Melissa received a call
13:13from a concerned colleague
13:14who'd heard news of a shooting
13:16at the bike shop.
13:18She immediately raced across town.
13:20I got to the location
13:23that all of the law enforcement was at
13:25and there was a good 10 or 12
13:28law enforcement vehicles
13:29with their lights on,
13:30had the road blocked off
13:32and I just ran past all of them
13:34and said,
13:35that's my husband's business down there
13:37and I just started running.
13:39Before she could get near,
13:41Melissa was escorted home
13:42by police officers.
13:44Together they sat and waited for news
13:46from the crime scene.
13:49I was standing at my front glass door
13:52just looking out front
13:54and I see Spartanburg County Coroner
13:56drive up my driveway.
13:59So two people walked in,
14:02told me to have a seat.
14:03The woman immediately started talking
14:05and she identified herself
14:06as one of the coroners
14:08and she just said,
14:09we had an unfortunate event happen
14:11at your husband's business today.
14:14Scott was shot and killed.
14:18The bottom fell out of Melissa's world.
14:22And I immediately started crying
14:25and said,
14:26I don't know what I'm going to do.
14:28I'm pregnant.
14:29I can't run this business by myself.
14:31I'm, you know, just sorrow.
14:35I started to think,
14:37you know, his mom.
14:38I've got to call his mom.
14:39Where's his mom?
14:40I need to talk to her.
14:41Where is she?
14:41Where's, where's Beverly?
14:42And that is when they told me
14:46that his mom had been shot
14:48and killed as well
14:49and that Brian Lucas
14:50had been shot and killed
14:51and they hadn't identified
14:53the fourth victim yet
14:54because he didn't have
14:55any identification on him.
14:56The fourth victim
14:58was 26-year-old mechanic
15:00Chris Sherbutz.
15:02Chris, Brian Lucas,
15:05Beverly Guy
15:05and her son Scott Ponder
15:07had all been murdered
15:09in cold blood.
15:11The identity of the gunman
15:13was a mystery.
15:16Seven months later,
15:18in June 2004,
15:20Melissa gave birth
15:21to a 10-pound baby boy
15:23and named him Scott Jr.
15:28He changed everything for me.
15:31I, um,
15:32the first moment
15:33I laid eyes on him,
15:34I thought,
15:35this is why I'm still here
15:36because honestly,
15:37I wanted to have been down there
15:39at the dealership that day
15:40and just taken with him.
15:41It was so hard.
15:43But yeah,
15:44as soon as they put
15:44that little boy in my arms,
15:46I knew that that was
15:48my sole purpose,
15:49why I was still here.
15:51Scott never knew his father
15:53and over 15 years later,
15:55his mom has never
15:57let the memories fade.
15:59She told me a lot about him
16:01and how, uh,
16:04he liked to, uh,
16:05mess with my grandma a lot
16:07back when he was younger
16:08and he thought it was funny.
16:10And, uh,
16:10she liked to tell a lot of stories
16:11about him.
16:12And, uh,
16:14it helped me, like,
16:15just picture what,
16:17I mean,
16:17who he really was.
16:19During his birthdays,
16:20usually I'm in school,
16:21so she takes me out of school
16:23and we go to lunch.
16:24We just kind of celebrate
16:25his life, I guess,
16:27and not,
16:28not feel down about it,
16:29just have a day
16:30where we celebrate him
16:31and just him, you know?
16:34The investigation
16:35into the quadruple murder
16:37at Superbike Motorsports
16:39unearthed no obvious suspects.
16:42Nothing had been stolen
16:43and there were no witnesses
16:45to the crime.
16:46But suddenly,
16:48in late 2004,
16:50the police had
16:51an unlikely suspect
16:53on their radar.
16:55It wasn't until my son
16:57was about six months old
16:58that I got called
17:01into the sheriff's department
17:02and they said,
17:04we have something
17:04we need to talk to you about,
17:05it's really serious.
17:07And my first inclination was,
17:09they know who did this
17:10and they want to talk
17:12to me about it,
17:13so they sat me down
17:14in a room,
17:15an interrogation room,
17:16and said,
17:16we took DNA
17:19from a diaper
17:19you left here
17:20a couple of weeks ago
17:22and we sent it off
17:23and compared it
17:24to the blood
17:25from the crime scene
17:26and we have DNA
17:28that does not match up
17:29with your husband's.
17:31And so we need you
17:32to tell us
17:34what's going on.
17:35who's your baby's father?
17:39You know,
17:40how do you play a role?
17:41And I mean,
17:42I was taken so far back
17:45I couldn't believe it.
17:47Melissa had turned
17:48from a victim
17:49to a suspect.
17:51She was so stunned
17:53by the accusations
17:54that she offered
17:55to have Scott's body exhumed
17:57so a new DNA sample
17:59could be taken
18:00to prove her innocence.
18:02I want to say
18:03it took about a month.
18:05When I received
18:07a call back from them,
18:08in essence,
18:09what they told me
18:10is Scott and Brian's
18:12blood vials
18:14were mislabeled.
18:16Somebody put the wrong name
18:18on the DNA.
18:20And so they were doing
18:22a DNA test of my son
18:24with Brian Lucas.
18:25Not knowing it was
18:27Brian Lucas' blood,
18:28they just thought
18:28I had had an affair.
18:30It had been a year
18:32of hell for Melissa.
18:34It broke my heart.
18:36It broke my spirit.
18:37I decided to move
18:39back to Arizona
18:40when my child was one.
18:42And I just figured
18:43it was time for me
18:44to start back over
18:46in my home area
18:48and kind of get us
18:50out of the public eye
18:51because everybody knew
18:51who we were here.
18:52And I didn't want to raise
18:54my son that way.
18:56The police had zero suspects
18:59and the murders
19:00would go unsolved
19:02for over a decade.
19:03But the perpetrator
19:05was hiding in plain sight.
19:07A disgruntled customer
19:09who'd taken his frustration
19:11out in the most extreme
19:13and callous way.
19:15The killer
19:16was Todd Kohlhepp.
19:18There's records of him
19:20being in the store
19:21and the shop owner
19:24and manager
19:24and some others
19:25apparently making fun
19:27of him in a way.
19:28Sort of a lighthearted
19:29banter.
19:30You know,
19:30they were known
19:31to joke around.
19:34And Todd being Todd,
19:36that just fueled
19:37a fire in him.
19:38You know,
19:39whereas anybody else,
19:40it's like,
19:40okay,
19:40if somebody's joking
19:41towards me
19:41or making fun of me
19:42even,
19:43you know,
19:44it is what it is.
19:45You know,
19:45they move on, right?
19:47But Todd's not going
19:49to take that
19:49from anybody.
19:50And them making fun
19:52of them,
19:52he felt that
19:53they had to pay.
19:55Kohlhepp returned
19:56to the bike shop
19:57on the 6th of November,
19:592003
20:00and waited
20:01until no other customers
20:03were in the store.
20:04He then drew a gun
20:06and exacted his revenge.
20:10And just one by one,
20:12Todd executes them.
20:13He shoots them
20:14cold blood.
20:15Brian and Scott
20:16actually were the last
20:18to be shot.
20:19And after they saw
20:20what was happening,
20:21they started to run
20:22for the front door.
20:24And Todd was able
20:25to shoot both of them
20:26right outside the door.
20:28I think getting away
20:29with those murders
20:30at the bike shop
20:31would have been
20:32really meaningful
20:33for Kohlhepp
20:35because it signals
20:36to him that
20:37there are no consequences
20:38to this.
20:39I can kill
20:40and I can get away
20:41with it.
20:42Feeling invincible,
20:45Kohlhepp would spend
20:45the next decade
20:47honing a successful career
20:48as one of the top
20:50real estate agents
20:51in Spartanburg.
20:52But in 2015,
20:55Kohlhepp's lust for blood
20:56returned.
20:58The 44-year-old
21:00had recently acquired
21:01a large plot of land
21:03in Woodruff,
21:04South Carolina.
21:05The 95-acre grounds
21:07would soon become
21:09Kohlhepp's killing fields.
21:11On the 22nd of December
21:132015,
21:1529-year-old Johnny Coxie
21:17and his 25-year-old wife
21:19Megan were reported missing.
21:22Megan and Johnny
21:23were a young married couple
21:25in their 20s
21:26and they were quite vulnerable.
21:28They'd experienced
21:29quite a few issues
21:30in the past.
21:32Drug addiction,
21:33they'd had their child
21:35removed by social services
21:37and they came to know
21:40Kohlhepp
21:40because he offered them work,
21:42working on his property,
21:44doing manual labor.
21:46So I think he very much
21:48saw that vulnerability
21:50in them
21:51and exploited that
21:53because Kohlhepp
21:54is a predator
21:55and he is very good
21:57at spotting vulnerabilities
21:59in other people.
22:01Kohlhepp sees them
22:02as almost a perfect
22:03pair of victims.
22:05So he makes a pretense.
22:07On the 19th of December
22:092015,
22:10he says,
22:10I would like you
22:11to come out
22:11to the Woodruff property.
22:13I need some clearing
22:14to be done.
22:15Now,
22:15not many people
22:16are going to miss them.
22:17I mean,
22:18they've been living rough.
22:19They haven't got
22:21lots and lots
22:21of relatives around.
22:24He takes them
22:25to the property.
22:26They get out
22:27of the car.
22:29And he shoots Johnny.
22:31He drops dead.
22:33He then takes
22:34Megan Coxie
22:35and puts her
22:37into a container
22:39and holds her captive
22:41for about a week.
22:43In a bid to escape
22:45the clutches
22:45of Kohlhepp,
22:47Megan started a fire
22:48in her makeshift prison.
22:50Just like her husband,
22:52she was executed
22:54in cold blood
22:55by the twisted killer.
22:58He said she was acting
23:00like a caged animal.
23:01And so he said,
23:02quite matter-of-factly,
23:03I put a bullet
23:04in the back of her head.
23:05So now he's got
23:06two bodies.
23:08He digs graves
23:09for them both
23:10and buries them
23:11on the property.
23:13Goes back to work
23:14as a real estate agent
23:15as if nothing,
23:17whatever,
23:17had happened.
23:19The police
23:20had no leads
23:21in the disappearance
23:22of Johnny
23:23and Megan Coxie.
23:24Once again,
23:25Kohlhepp had got away
23:26with murder
23:27and eight months later,
23:29he was ready
23:30to kill again.
23:32On the 4th
23:33of September 2016,
23:35a family made a call
23:37to the police
23:38to report
23:38that their 32-year-old son,
23:41Charles David Carver,
23:43known as Charlie,
23:44was missing.
23:45He was just
23:46a caring person.
23:46He always wanted
23:47to help people.
23:48He'd give you
23:48the last $2
23:50out of his wallet
23:51and the shirt
23:53off his back
23:53if you needed it.
23:54You know,
23:55he was just
23:55that kind of a guy.
23:57Seemed like
23:58a happy life.
23:59Charlie would
24:00text his father
24:01every day
24:02or every other day.
24:03They'd talk
24:03about sports.
24:05So he lived
24:05a pretty normal life.
24:07The last text
24:08I got from him
24:09before he went missing
24:10was about football.
24:13You know,
24:13it was just
24:14a funny cartoon
24:15and I still have it.
24:19Alongside Charlie,
24:20his new girlfriend,
24:22Kayla Brown,
24:23had also disappeared.
24:25I ran into
24:27Charlie and Kayla
24:28at Walmart
24:29on a Saturday.
24:30We were shopping
24:31and they were coming out
24:33and he introduced
24:34Kayla to us.
24:36And that was the first time
24:38I'd met her
24:38and five days later
24:42they went missing.
24:45In late August,
24:47Charlie and his girlfriend
24:49had been contacted
24:50by a friend
24:51of 30-year-old Kayla,
24:53Todd Kohlhepp.
24:55Kayla had already
24:57known Todd Kohlhepp.
24:59They had met
25:00previously
25:00and they had
25:03chatted online
25:04on Facebook
25:04pretty often
25:06and, you know,
25:06at some point
25:07Kohlhepp had offered
25:09for Kayla
25:10to work for him
25:12as well.
25:13You know,
25:13he was looking
25:13for work
25:14and he knew Kayla
25:15as sort of a friend
25:17at this point.
25:18Days turned
25:19into weeks
25:20and Charlie
25:21and Kayla
25:22failed to return home.
25:24They had seemingly
25:25vanished off
25:26the face
25:27of the earth.
25:29About 30 days
25:30into it
25:31my wife and I
25:32talked
25:32and I said
25:34something's wrong.
25:35Don't know
25:36what has happened
25:37but
25:37just had that
25:39parent feeling
25:40that
25:42you know
25:42it wasn't
25:43going to be good.
25:44And
25:45so we set our kids
25:46down
25:46and
25:47three youngest
25:48and said
25:49this may not
25:51you know
25:52end well.
25:54You know
25:54your brother
25:55may be gone.
25:57The search
25:58continued
25:59into October
26:002016
26:01but it would
26:02be in vain.
26:04Charlie Carver
26:05had been dead
26:06since the 31st
26:07of August.
26:09Just like
26:10Johnny
26:10and Megan
26:11Coxie
26:12Charlie
26:12and Kayla's
26:13visit
26:14to Kohlhepp's
26:15Woodruff home
26:15would end
26:16in tragedy.
26:18So they came
26:19together on the
26:19property
26:20and without
26:21hesitation
26:21Todd Kohlhepp
26:23ends up
26:24shooting
26:25Charlie
26:25three times
26:26in the chest
26:27and he drops
26:27to the floor.
26:29At this point
26:30Kayla Brown
26:30is just stunned
26:31you know
26:31she just watched
26:32her boyfriend
26:33get murdered
26:34in front of her
26:34not sure
26:35what to do
26:36basically silent
26:37just standing
26:38there in fear
26:39and Kohlhepp
26:40then goes to her
26:42shoves her
26:42in the shipping
26:43container
26:43and chains
26:45her up
26:45inside there.
26:47Just like
26:47Megan Coxie
26:48Kayla Brown
26:50became Todd Kohlhepp's
26:52prisoner.
26:53The next
26:53two months
26:54Kayla Brown
26:55is in captivity
26:56she's on
26:57that property
26:57no one's
26:58heard from her
26:59no one knows
26:59where she is
27:00meanwhile
27:01Kohlhepp is still
27:02living his
27:02normal life
27:03he's going
27:03to work
27:04he's working
27:04late hours
27:05he's talking
27:06to people
27:06like normal.
27:07I think
27:08he's convinced
27:08himself
27:09that it's
27:09all worked
27:10that my
27:10fantasy
27:11has come
27:11true
27:11I have
27:12my captive
27:12I go
27:13there every
27:14day
27:14do what
27:15I want
27:15with her
27:15and I
27:16resume
27:16my
27:17quotes
27:17ordinary
27:18life
27:18outside.
27:18He is so
27:20obsessed
27:21with his
27:21own
27:22satisfaction
27:23with his
27:23own
27:24personality
27:25with that
27:25god complex
27:26of his
27:26that he
27:27doesn't believe
27:27for one
27:28second
27:28that
27:29she
27:30will
27:31ever
27:31leave
27:32his
27:32clutches
27:33the perfect
27:34fly in the
27:35spider's
27:36web
27:36she is
27:37his
27:37and will
27:38remain
27:38his
27:39but this
27:40time
27:40by
27:41utilizing
27:42cell
27:42phone
27:43triangulation
27:44the police
27:45were hot
27:45on the
27:45heels
27:46of
27:46Todd
27:47Cole
27:47then
27:48they
27:49realized
27:49that
27:49Kayla's
27:50phone
27:50is
27:51pinging
27:51in
27:52Spartanburg
27:52County
27:53so they
27:53reach out
27:54to
27:54Spartanburg
27:54and from
27:55there
27:56they learn
27:56property
27:56records
27:57and they
27:57can see
27:57that
27:58okay
27:58this
27:58piece
27:58of
27:59property
27:59is
27:59owned
27:59by a
27:59man
28:00named
28:00Todd
28:00Cole
28:00on
28:02the
28:023rd
28:02of
28:02November
28:032016
28:04two
28:05months
28:06after
28:06the
28:06disappearance
28:07of
28:07Charlie
28:08Carver
28:08and Kayla
28:09Brown
28:09the
28:10police
28:10were
28:10ready
28:11to
28:11swoop
28:13we've
28:13got
28:14investigators
28:14in
28:15Spartanburg
28:15that go
28:16to
28:16Cole
28:16Hub's
28:16house
28:17which is
28:17about
28:1820
28:18minutes
28:18or so
28:19from
28:19the
28:19Woodruff
28:20property
28:20and
28:21meanwhile
28:22there's
28:22another
28:22team
28:23of
28:23investigators
28:23that
28:24go
28:24to
28:24the
28:24Woodruff
28:25property
28:25with
28:25a
28:25search
28:25warrant
28:27and
28:27they
28:27get
28:27into
28:28the
28:28property
28:28and
28:28they
28:28start
28:29looking
28:29they
28:29find
28:30Kayla
28:30chained
28:31up
28:31in
28:32the
28:32container
28:32they
28:33hear
28:33her
28:33inside
28:34they
28:34take
28:34a
28:35long
28:35time
28:35to
28:35kind
28:35of
28:36cut
28:36through
28:36all
28:36the
28:36chains
28:37and
28:37locks
28:37that
28:37had
28:37been
28:38on
28:38the
28:38container
28:38open
28:39it
28:39up
28:39find
28:39her
28:40rescue
28:40her
28:44wonderful
28:44video
28:45of them
28:46actually
28:46opening
28:47the
28:47container
28:47taken
28:48by the
28:48police
28:48at
28:49the
28:49time
28:49it's
28:49extraordinary
28:51and they
28:52walk in
28:53and right
28:53at the
28:53back
28:54of the
28:54container
28:54right
28:55at
28:55the
28:55far
28:55end
28:55there
28:56she
28:56is
28:57there
28:58was
28:58no
28:58sign
28:59of
28:59Charlie
29:01do
29:01you
29:01know
29:02where
29:02your
29:02buddy
29:02is
29:06investigators
29:07radio
29:08this
29:08dramatic
29:09update
29:09through
29:10to
29:10their
29:10colleagues
29:11at
29:11Kohlhepp's
29:12home
29:12we have
29:13Kayla
29:15we have
29:16Kayla
29:16in your
29:17property
29:19she was
29:19locked
29:20in a
29:20container
29:21okay
29:22she
29:23just
29:23told us
29:24that you
29:25shot and
29:25killed
29:26Charlie
29:27and at
29:28this
29:28point
29:28Kohlhepp
29:29just shuts
29:29down
29:30he
29:30kind
29:30of
29:30gives
29:31this
29:31blank
29:31stare
29:31and
29:31he
29:31goes
29:32I
29:32don't
29:32know
29:33what
29:33you're
29:33talking
29:33about
29:34why
29:35did
29:35you
29:35shoot
29:36I
29:36didn't
29:36shoot
29:36any
29:37place
29:37sir
29:38okay
29:38why
29:38did
29:38you
29:38lock
29:39her
29:39in
29:39a
29:39container
29:39in
29:39your
29:40property
29:40I
29:40don't
29:40you
29:40talk
29:41about
29:42she's
29:43on your
29:43property
29:43right
29:43now
29:44locked
29:44in
29:44a
29:44container
29:46and
29:46they're
29:46pressing
29:47him
29:47on it
29:47saying
29:48we've
29:48got
29:48Kayla
29:49now
29:49you
29:49can
29:49either
29:49cooperate
29:50and tell
29:50us
29:50more
29:50tell
29:51us
29:51where
29:51Charlie
29:51is
29:52or
29:53we
29:53could
29:53go
29:54the
29:54hard
29:54way
29:55she's
29:55saying
29:55you buried
29:56Charlie's
29:56body
29:57on that
29:57property
30:01so you're
30:01saying
30:01you didn't
30:02lock her
30:02up
30:03you didn't
30:03put her
30:03in a
30:04connex box
30:04or anything
30:09probably a good
30:10thing
30:10go ahead
30:10and put him
30:11in the back
30:11of your
30:11car
30:11finally
30:13Todd
30:13Kohlhepp
30:14was
30:14safely
30:15behind
30:15bars
30:16Kayla
30:16Brown
30:17had
30:17been
30:17saved
30:18after
30:18a
30:18terrifying
30:19ordeal
30:19he held
30:21her in
30:21a storage
30:22container
30:22for 65
30:24days
30:24and
30:25subjected
30:26her to
30:27the most
30:27horrendous
30:28sexual
30:29violence
30:29he raped
30:30her
30:31twice a
30:31day
30:32on some
30:33occasions
30:33she was
30:34simply
30:34there
30:34as his
30:35plaything
30:36to be
30:36used
30:37as he
30:37wished
30:38she
30:38reported
30:39that
30:39Kohlhepp
30:40told her
30:41that he
30:41owned her
30:42that she
30:43was his
30:43possession
30:44and that
30:45is very
30:45indicative
30:46of somebody
30:47who is
30:48controlling
30:49somebody
30:49who sees
30:50women
30:50as objects
30:51somebody
30:52who is
30:52inherently
30:53a misogynist
30:55so I think
30:56her account
30:56is a really
30:57valuable one
30:58and I'm just
30:58very thankful
30:59that she
30:59survived
31:00to tell
31:00the tale
31:01unlike
31:02Megan
31:02who we
31:03know
31:04sort of
31:04put up
31:05a fight
31:05and was
31:06in very
31:06disagreement
31:07with Kohlhepp
31:08I think
31:09Kayla
31:09did what
31:10she had
31:10to do
31:11to get
31:11by
31:12ultimately
31:12she was
31:13rescued
31:14and I
31:14don't know
31:14if she
31:14ever thought
31:15she would
31:15be rescued
31:15but ultimately
31:17that happened
31:18but there
31:19was no good
31:20news
31:20for the
31:21Carver
31:21family
31:23I guess
31:24it was
31:24that Saturday
31:25night
31:25about
31:257 o'clock
31:27it was
31:28dark
31:29and the
31:30coroner
31:30came up
31:32and said
31:33that they
31:33had positive
31:34ID
31:35that it
31:36was
31:36Charlie
31:41that was
31:42a hard
31:42time
31:44you just
31:46don't want
31:47to hear
31:47those words
31:49days later
31:51Chuck
31:51was able
31:52to visit
31:52the Woodruff
31:53property
31:53where his
31:54son's life
31:55had been
31:56so cruelly
31:57taken away
31:58standing there
31:59on that
31:59gravel driveway
32:03close to the
32:04same area
32:04where he
32:05would have
32:05probably
32:06been laying
32:06I was
32:07just like
32:08how could
32:08he do
32:09this
32:11how could
32:12a man
32:12just walk
32:12out not
32:13knowing
32:13who this
32:14person was
32:16anything
32:17about this
32:17person
32:19and just
32:20end his
32:20life right
32:21there
32:23lying
32:23close to
32:24Charlie
32:24Carver
32:25on the
32:25grounds
32:26of Todd
32:26Kohlhepp's
32:27Woodruff
32:27property
32:28were the
32:29bodies
32:29of
32:29Johnny
32:29and
32:30Megan
32:30Coxie
32:31all
32:32three
32:32had
32:32been
32:33shot
32:33and
32:34left
32:34in
32:34shallow
32:35graves
32:37meanwhile
32:37Todd
32:37is already
32:38in jail
32:38arrested
32:39and so
32:40the murder
32:41charges
32:41are already
32:41sort of
32:42stacking up
32:42against him
32:43while he's
32:43sitting there
32:43in those
32:44first initial
32:44days
32:45of being
32:46caught
32:46Todd
32:47is already
32:48explaining
32:48to investigators
32:49hey
32:49if you
32:49listen
32:50to me
32:50and if
32:51you know
32:51maybe
32:51if we
32:51work out
32:52a deal
32:53I've
32:54got a lot
32:54more to
32:55tell you
32:55guys
32:55charged with
32:57three murders
32:58and the
32:59imprisonment
32:59of Kayla
33:00Brown
33:00Todd Kohlhepp
33:02was about
33:02to confess
33:03to a crime
33:03that had
33:04gone unsolved
33:05for 13
33:06years
33:06the revelation
33:08would leave
33:08investigators
33:09completely
33:10dumbfounded
33:11he revealed
33:12he revealed
33:13to investigators
33:13that he
33:14had even
33:15more
33:15to tell
33:16them
33:17he is
33:19just going
33:19in depth
33:21in great
33:21detail
33:22about
33:22the various
33:23things that
33:24he did
33:24including
33:25and most
33:25importantly
33:26the murders
33:27of the
33:28Superbike
33:28Motorsports
33:29families
33:44and when
33:46he's describing
33:46to the
33:47police
33:47what happened
33:48he's bragging
33:48about it
33:49he's saying
33:49you would
33:50have been
33:50proud
33:51of me
33:51he's looking
33:52for validation
33:53he's wanting
33:55other people
33:55to be impressed
33:56by him
33:57and we see
33:58this often
33:58in cases
33:59of serial
34:00killers
34:00once they
34:01are linked
34:02to a particular
34:03crime
34:03or a series
34:04of crime
34:04they want
34:05to take
34:05the credit
34:05for it
34:06they want
34:06full recognition
34:07for what
34:08they've done
34:10I had to
34:10wait for them
34:11one of the guys
34:12wasn't there
34:12I had to wait
34:13for him to come in
34:15finally all four
34:16showed up
34:18the investigators
34:19were completely
34:20taken back
34:22Kohlhepp
34:22knew details
34:23of the four
34:24Superbike
34:24killings
34:25that had never
34:26been made
34:26public
34:27they decided
34:28to call
34:29the families
34:29of the victims
34:31including
34:31the widow
34:32of Scott Ponder
34:33Melissa Brackman
34:36I was walking
34:37out of the movie
34:38theater
34:38with my family
34:39and it was
34:40Detective
34:40LaChica
34:41and he wanted
34:43to know
34:44if I would
34:45be available
34:46in an hour
34:47that I needed
34:47to be able
34:48to talk
34:48to him
34:49and be home
34:51and
34:53I said
34:54sure
34:56and so
34:57he calls me
34:58and he said
34:59we have a
35:00confession
35:00to the Superbike
35:02and I
35:03break down
35:04and I
35:06just
35:06I can't believe it
35:08like are you
35:09are you serious
35:10and he's like
35:10this is not
35:11something I would
35:11kid with you about
35:12and he started
35:13to explain
35:14have you been
35:15following the news
35:16there was a girl
35:16that we just
35:17recovered
35:17and I said
35:18I have been
35:19following that story
35:20and like how does
35:21that relate
35:21you know
35:21and he says
35:22it is the same
35:22guy
35:24after 13 years
35:26of unanswered
35:27questions
35:27Melissa couldn't
35:29quite believe
35:30that the mystery
35:31of who killed
35:32her husband
35:32had been solved
35:34I was everything
35:36I was happy
35:37I was angry
35:39I was sad
35:40I was
35:42in question
35:43of everything
35:44like what was
35:45his motive
35:46you know
35:46why would
35:47why would
35:47he have gone
35:48and why did
35:49he kill my
35:49mother-in-law
35:50why did
35:51you know
35:51if he was
35:51mad at the
35:52dealership
35:52why would
35:53he take
35:53out my
35:54mother-in-law
35:55what's that
35:56about
35:57the community
35:58of Spartanburg
35:59where Kohlhepp
36:00was lauded
36:01as a well
36:02respected real
36:03estate agent
36:04was stunned
36:05a serial killer
36:07had been
36:07operating
36:08in their midst
36:10at this point
36:12Kohlhepp
36:13has confessed
36:13to these
36:14four murders
36:15he's confessed
36:16to killing
36:17Charlie Carver
36:17and the Coxies
36:19so he's got
36:20seven murder
36:21charges stacked
36:21against him
36:22and the
36:23kidnapping
36:23of Kayla
36:25and shortly
36:27after
36:27since he's
36:28confessed
36:28they don't
36:30need to go
36:30to trial
36:31he ends up
36:32taking a
36:32plea agreement
36:34if you plead
36:35guilty to
36:36these seven
36:37murders
36:37we'll give
36:38you a life
36:38sentence
36:39and you'll
36:39avoid the
36:40death penalty
36:40and so he
36:41said
36:41sign me up
36:42on the
36:4326th of
36:44May
36:452017
36:46Todd Kohlhepp
36:48was given
36:48seven consecutive
36:49life sentences
36:51one for each
36:52of his victims
36:53plus another
36:5460 years
36:55for the
36:56kidnap
36:56of Kayla
36:57Brown
36:58two years
37:00later
37:00at a civil
37:01hearing
37:01in July
37:022019
37:03the victims
37:05loved ones
37:06seeking
37:07compensation
37:07from Kohlhepp's
37:09estate
37:09were given
37:10an opportunity
37:11to confront
37:12the killer
37:14the whole
37:15time I was
37:16talking
37:16we were
37:17engaged
37:17you know
37:18he wasn't
37:19looking at
37:19the ceiling
37:19or the walls
37:20or the floor
37:22it was me
37:22and him
37:23and I was
37:24telling my
37:25story of
37:26Charlie
37:27how his
37:27loss
37:28has impacted
37:30me and my
37:30family
37:31as I
37:32finished up
37:33our attorney
37:34asked me
37:35what was the
37:36amount of
37:36damages
37:37we were
37:38seeking
37:38I said
37:39that
37:39I wasn't
37:40seeking
37:40a certain
37:41amount
37:41because you
37:41can't put
37:42an amount
37:42on a
37:43person's
37:43life
37:45and no
37:45amount
37:46of money
37:46was going
37:46to bring
37:47him back
37:51because I
37:51wanted Todd
37:52to hear
37:52that
37:59I wanted
37:59Todd to
38:00understand
38:00what he
38:01took
38:04from me
38:09also
38:10also at
38:10the lawsuit
38:11hearing
38:12with a
38:12family
38:13of Scott
38:14Ponder
38:14including
38:15his
38:16widow
38:16Melissa
38:19and it
38:20was such a
38:20powerful moment
38:21because she
38:22had actually
38:22taken the
38:23stand
38:24to explain
38:25you know
38:26what this
38:26has meant
38:27to her
38:27and what
38:27this has
38:27done to
38:28her
38:28and she
38:29used the
38:29opportunity
38:29to forgive
38:30Colab
38:31which is
38:31so rare
38:32to see
38:33you know
38:33somebody
38:34who
38:34destroyed
38:35her life
38:35in a sense
38:36and killed
38:37her husband
38:39she took
38:40the high
38:40road
38:41and she
38:41sat there
38:41and she
38:42looked him
38:42square in
38:42the eye
38:43and said
38:43Mr.
38:44Colab
38:44I forgive
38:44you
38:46did I
38:47really owe
38:48him
38:48not really
38:49but I
38:49just needed
38:49him to
38:50understand
38:50that
38:51you know
38:52what his
38:53reasoning
38:53and what
38:54he's
38:54using
38:55was
38:56playful
38:57banter
38:57from
38:58a couple
38:59of guys
38:59that joke
39:00around a
39:00lot
39:00and that
39:01was the
39:01environment
39:02and
39:03you know
39:04that was
39:04hard
39:05the normal
39:05person
39:06does not
39:07go in
39:08and wipe
39:08four people
39:08out
39:09because
39:09they
39:09piss
39:10you
39:10off
39:13as well
39:14as
39:14Melissa
39:14her son
39:15Scott
39:16was given
39:16the opportunity
39:17to look
39:18into the
39:18eyes
39:19of the
39:19man
39:20who'd
39:20taken
39:20the
39:20life
39:21of
39:21his
39:21father
39:22just
39:22months
39:23before
39:23he
39:23was
39:23born
39:25Scott
39:26showed
39:26maturity
39:27beyond
39:28his
39:28years
39:28and is
39:29certain
39:30that his
39:30actions
39:31would be
39:31met
39:31with
39:32approval
39:32from his
39:33father
39:35I knew
39:35that he'd
39:36be proud
39:36of me
39:36and my
39:38mom and
39:39the rest of
39:39my family
39:40that was there
39:40were proud
39:40of me
39:41I just
39:41in general
39:42knew I was
39:42doing good
39:43for my dad
39:43and I knew
39:45that even
39:45though I was
39:46nervous I had
39:46to push
39:46through it
39:47and I just
39:47knew that I
39:48had to do
39:48it because
39:48this is the
39:49last chance
39:49I had
39:51to speak
39:52to him
39:52and just
39:53get the
39:53message
39:53across
39:54and that's
39:55basically
39:55all I
39:56wanted
39:58I miss
39:59Scott
39:59he was
40:00so good
40:01to me
40:03I'm thrilled
40:04that I have
40:05a child
40:07that bears
40:07his resemblance
40:08and that
40:09has picked
40:10up some
40:10of his
40:10characteristics
40:11and it
40:13actually
40:13it's good
40:14for me
40:14it makes
40:15me happy
40:15it makes
40:16me feel
40:17like
40:18sadly
40:19as it
40:20is
40:20it's all
40:20played out
40:21in a
40:21positive
40:22way
40:23since
40:24his
40:24incarceration
40:25Todd
40:26Kohlhepp
40:27has hinted
40:28there may
40:28have been
40:29other victims
40:30in the
40:3012-year gap
40:31between the
40:32Superbike
40:33killings
40:33and the
40:34Woodruff
40:34murders
40:35I definitely
40:36feel like
40:37this story
40:37is just
40:38beginning
40:38I feel
40:38like
40:39it's
40:39a story
40:40that
40:41the nation
40:42is going
40:42to be
40:42interested
40:43in
40:44moving
40:44forward
40:45if we
40:45learn
40:45about
40:46other
40:46killings
40:46these
40:47are
40:47other
40:47families
40:47out
40:47there
40:48that
40:48are
40:48looking
40:48for
40:48answers
40:49and
40:50they
40:50could
40:50have
40:51answers
40:51if Kohlhepp
40:52is willing
40:52to come
40:52forward
40:53and provide
40:53more detail
40:54that can
40:54lead to
40:55a discovery
40:56of a
40:56body
40:56or who
40:57knows
40:57what
40:57else
40:58Daniel
40:59Gross
40:59has been
41:00writing
41:00to the
41:01killer
41:01to try
41:02and uncover
41:03Kohlhepp's
41:04secrets
41:04it's a
41:05bizarre
41:06feeling
41:06every time
41:07every time
41:08I see
41:08his signature
41:09on those
41:09letters
41:10or just
41:11his little
41:11banter
41:11of you
41:12know
41:12hope you're
41:13doing
41:13well
41:13or you
41:14know
41:14whatever
41:14he might
41:14say
41:15it's a
41:16weird
41:16feeling
41:16because
41:18it's this
41:18gray area
41:19of you
41:21you're a
41:21serial killer
41:22and we're
41:23not friends
41:23by any
41:24means
41:24let's try
41:25to find
41:25some more
41:25detail here
41:26and bring
41:26some other
41:27families
41:27some closure
41:29Kohlhepp's
41:30ability to
41:31blend into
41:32his surroundings
41:32made him
41:33an exceptionally
41:35dangerous
41:35killer
41:36even
41:37even the sheriff
41:37Chuck Wright
41:38mentioned
41:39after his
41:40arrest
41:40that he
41:41believes
41:41he might
41:41have even
41:42met
41:42Kohlhepp
41:43at some
41:43point
41:44without even
41:44knowing
41:45that he's
41:45shaking a
41:46serial killer's
41:46hand
41:47and so that
41:47just shows
41:48that Todd
41:49Kohlhepp was
41:49out there
41:50he was
41:50in the
41:50public
41:51he had
41:51built
41:51this
41:52successful
41:52brand
41:54I think
41:54for me
41:55what makes
41:55this case
41:55so exceptional
41:56are the
41:57different
41:57victim types
41:58that he
41:59targets
41:59he kills
42:00anybody
42:00who is a
42:02threat to
42:03his sense
42:04of self
42:04and I
42:05think it
42:05is that
42:06complete
42:06disregard
42:07for other
42:08people
42:08and anybody
42:09who gets
42:09in his way
42:10is going
42:11to suffer
42:12Kohlhepp
42:13was a
42:14selfish
42:14killer
42:15who murdered
42:16seven people
42:17for no
42:17reason
42:18four of
42:19them in
42:19a petulant
42:20rage
42:20that left
42:21an unborn
42:22child
42:22fatherless
42:23it is not
42:25only the
42:25lives he
42:26took
42:26but the
42:27lives he
42:28left behind
42:29a grieving
42:30wife
42:30a distraught
42:32father
42:32an emotionally
42:33scarred
42:34young woman
42:35that make
42:36Todd Kohlhepp
42:37one of the
42:38world's
42:39most evil
42:40killers
43:04one of the
43:11people
43:15and
43:19they
43:19been
43:19him
43:20that
43:20can be
43:20one of the
43:21people
43:21have
43:21come from
43:21let him
43:21get
43:21together
43:21one
43:22time