00:00Where are you calling from?
00:02Italy!
00:03Italy, amazing!
00:05Have you been here?
00:07In Italy?
00:08Yeah, not enough, but yeah, the sort of usual, the usual spots.
00:18Chi è lei?
00:20Questa Nellie Jackson.
00:23È una fuori legge, una brigata.
00:26So, as I said yesterday to part of the cast, usually I'm not into a show like Run Again Nell,
00:35but surprisingly, I really love the show.
00:38Oh, good.
00:40Congratulations.
00:42And you know what?
00:43What I really love the most were the action sequences, because the character, they were like dancing.
00:52Yeah.
00:52So, I'd love to ask you, because I'm really interested in this topic.
00:58How did you prepare for the show?
01:00I mean, when you read the script, did you imagine straight away what to put your camera, the camera movements,
01:08and so on and so forth?
01:11Yeah, I think when I read it, it was clear that it needed to be very visual, and it needed
01:17to have energy and an attitude to it.
01:20There was a part of Sally's writing that is very anarchic, and we'd talk about punk, sort of the punk
01:28attitude and aesthetic a lot, because I think Nell was very punky.
01:32And so we followed through with that in terms of just wanting to shake up, we make lots of period
01:38shows in this country, and there's a sort of understanding and expectation of how you move the camera and how
01:45stuff should be lit, and it tends to be quite traditional and stayed.
01:49And we wanted to just give that a shot in the arm and just try and do something new within
01:54this period, and just for it to be slightly more unexpected.
02:00And I think, like you say, the biggest opportunity for that was within the choreography of the fighting and the
02:06action, which was the most fun to piece together and just find our own rules for it, because with Disney,
02:15it's an intimidating home for us, because we're on the shelf next to Marvel and Star Wars and stuff that
02:22does action with such skill.
02:25So we wanted to find our sort of scrappy version of that, that stayed true to Nell's character.
02:31I think this will be my last question, but I want to ask you.
02:35I think it's all a matter of cultural stereotype, but when we think about guns, fight, adventure, we still think
02:49about story with a man as a main character.
02:52Okay, we had Xena, Warrior Princess, but thanks to Renegade Nell, now we can understand there are no more stories
03:01just for men or just for women.
03:03So I'd like to ask you, do you think that a show like Renegade Nell was possible to make like
03:0910 years ago, or at the time we were not ready yet to make, understand and accept as part of
03:17the audience, a story like this one with a woman at the centre of it?
03:22Yeah, I think it's a really good question. I suspect my answer sounds similar to yours. I don't think it
03:28would have been possible.
03:29And I think in a short space of time, I think we've jumped a long way forward where not only
03:34is it possible, but it's, it's actively encouraged.
03:38And I think the thought of doing this show, you could flip the genders of it and it would absolutely
03:44work, but I think it would be infinitely less interesting.
03:48And I think somebody like Sally is such a good voice for that because she just, she wouldn't be interested
03:54in that version whatsoever.
03:56But yeah, I think in terms of sort of subverting expectations and reframing what a Disney princess is, it felt
04:05like we had the opportunity to do something quite radical with Nell.
04:09And I hope that it, it marks sort of a new wave for that. But we, we did, I think
04:14we paid homage to your question, I think in the opening scene, which is we open on a man.
04:20And we open on this guy who looks cool. He's got a gun, he's holding up this stagecoach and we're,
04:27we're showing all the iconography of a show we we'd probably seen before, or we feel that we know.
04:33And then the camera drifts from him onto this other person in the woods. And we loved that it sort
04:39of felt like our cameras just bored of this and far more interested in that.
04:44And then we find this incredibly unlikely hero, reluctant hero, who we become obsessed with. And we're, we're rarely apart
04:54from her. But yeah, that was very much a big part of what attracted me to it.
05:00And you really, you did really a good job. So congratulations to you and to the other co-directors.
05:08Thank you so much. Thank you so much. And good luck for your, for your next project.
05:14Thank you. Thank you so much. Ciao.
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