00:21Grazie a tutti
00:30I love directing because I can control the time
00:37You said that when you were a child you posed for your father
00:42So you're an artist and you have also done modeling in a way
00:46So what did you learn from both the different point of view
00:50And did you use it for this movie?
00:52Yeah, I think it's really interesting when you sit for someone
00:55And also having taken figure drawing classes
00:58And drawing a model
01:02I think it's really interesting because you
01:05As the artist you're sitting there
01:09Really looking at something
01:11And the more you look at something the more it changes
01:12The more you see in it
01:15But also that person is looking at you too
01:17Particularly if you're doing a portrait
01:18Usually they're looking for the most part right at you
01:21So they're seeing things that they've never seen before
01:24And it becomes this weird kind of unspoken
01:28New kind of relationship
01:30And you walk out of there and the world is different after that
01:34Looks different after that
01:36In the movie Giacometti does the same painting over and over again
01:40Do you think that it's the same thing that directors do
01:42Shooting the same movie in different forms?
01:46Yeah, sometimes, yeah
01:47Sometimes we have to be careful not to keep making the same movie
01:50There are strains
01:51You know, through movies that directors
01:55There'll be themes that a director will carry from movie to movie
01:58And movie stories that are interesting, that are similar
02:01But it's also one of the reasons directors will do a lot of take after take
02:04After take after take after take
02:07Sometimes that becomes more about
02:08Well, some of it's technical
02:11But some of it is just neuroses
02:16You said that you love Giacometti because he searched the truth
02:21How does it mean for you searching the truth?
02:24And do you think that you're doing it or not?
02:28I try to do it
02:29Sometimes I do it
02:30Sometimes I don't
02:32But what does it mean for you?
02:37That I believe it
02:38Simply that I believe it
02:40Do you know what I mean?
02:41Like when I watch it, I believe it
02:43I go, okay, that makes sense
02:46I believe that
02:47And then I go, I don't believe that
02:49That moment I don't believe, that I believe
02:52But it's the same with anything
02:54The same with a piece of music
02:57With a plate of food
02:59It's the same thing
03:01It's all the same
03:03In the movie Giacometti says that
03:05Even if he has a lot of success
03:07He's very doubtful about his work
03:10Do you think that having doubts
03:13Is the reason why a person has success
03:17And another one has not?
03:20No, no
03:21I think that there are lots of people who have no doubts
03:23Who are incredibly successful
03:25And you think, I just wish they had doubts
03:31Because they see themselves as this sort of
03:33And they're just doing the same thing all the time
03:35And what they're doing isn't really very good
03:37There are those people who have no doubts
03:39Who are really successful
03:42And that's great
03:43And then there are those people who are successful
03:46And have doubts
03:46I think having doubt is not a terrible thing
03:50I think it pushes you to examine yourself
03:55And re-examine yourself
03:56And re-examine what you're doing
03:58I don't think that's a bad thing at all
04:00Unless
04:01It becomes debilitating
04:03Unless it
04:04You start to sort of spiral backward
04:08You have to know when to stop it
04:10Yes
04:11In the movie
04:13Giacometti seems a very selfish person
04:15Because he's so driven by his art
04:17That sometimes he forgets how to treat people
04:21But people and we as an audience
04:24We love them anyway
04:25Artists
04:26Yeah
04:26Why we tend to justify them
04:30And is it right for you?
04:32Well, no
04:32I think that Giacometti
04:33Yeah, there was a selfishness to him
04:35Without question
04:36But I don't think he was ever a mean person
04:38I don't think he was, you know
04:41I think he would feel badly
04:42If he did something mean to someone
04:47I don't think that because artists create these beautiful things
04:53We can forgive them
04:55But really we shouldn't forgive them
04:56I mean, you know
04:58I mean, there's no reason
05:00To be a bad person
05:05And be creative
05:06Do you know what I mean?
05:07And you can be creative
05:07And be a perfectly nice person
05:10There are so many people in business
05:14Who are really mean
05:15And very successful
05:16But for some reason
05:20We let that
05:21We think that's okay
05:21Well, he's a businessman
05:23He has to do the thing
05:24He's like, well, why?
05:25No, he's a why
05:26Why do you have to be mean?
05:27It's horrible
05:28Horrible
05:29Why be mean to somebody?
05:31You can be sort of absorbed
05:33And really obsessed with what you're doing
05:36But then you have to have an awareness of
05:40My kid is waiting for me at the door
05:42Do you know what I mean?
05:43You have to
05:44Speaking about being an artist
05:46And being happy
05:46Is it possible to be an artist
05:48And be happy?
05:50Because in the movie
05:50Giacometti speaks about suicide
05:52Yeah, yeah, yeah
05:52About being miserable
05:54No, I think you can be happy
05:56But you can't be happy all the time
05:58That's no fun
05:59You need to suffer to be a great artist
06:01Everyone has to suffer a little bit
06:05Okay
06:06Thank you
06:24Thank you
06:25Thank you
06:25Thank you
06:26Thank you
06:26Grazie.
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