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00:00:00So you know the saying that there's more than meets the eye?

00:00:02Well, I can't think of a more perfect person this applies to than Kazumi.

00:00:06On top of being one of the highest earning creators on OnlyFans,

00:00:09she's secretly a marketing genius who's used some of the most creative and strategic methods

00:00:13to make over $5 million in a relatively short amount of time.

00:00:17$5 million net, not gross.

00:00:18Oh my god.

00:00:20But first we should mention this episode's going to be a little bit more explicit than the usual episode.

00:00:25So if you have kids or Gigi, my grandma, if you're watching this,

00:00:28turn it off right now, just letting you know so you aren't surprised.

00:00:31We also want to give everyone a chance to talk and we think that we could learn something from everybody.

00:00:35And this is one of those episodes that I think is incredibly interesting.

00:00:38Kazumi has an amazing story and it was very enlightening for me personally and I'm sure you felt similarly.

00:00:43So we couldn't be more excited to share this with you guys.

00:00:45And with that said, let's get on to the podcast.

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00:02:16Do you guys have the cutest podcast set up?

00:02:18Do you mind if I use that on my website for branding?

00:02:21Yes, I actually do mind.

00:02:22I actually do mind.

00:02:23I'm not asking you, Jack.

00:02:24Okay.

00:02:25Jack, what's up with your hair?

00:02:26Yeah.

00:02:27Dude, I don't know, man.

00:02:28No, we've started the podcast.

00:02:30You look like one of those TikTok guys.

00:02:32You know, like those fluffy broomhead TikTok guys.

00:02:35Oh, well, don't do that, Jack.

00:02:35Let's just not cut to this camera for a little bit.

00:02:37Thank you so much for joining, Kazumi.

00:02:39Thanks for having me back again.

00:02:40We really appreciate it.

00:02:40What brings you back to Las Vegas?

00:02:42I, well, we did this podcast a few months ago.

00:02:45I misinterpreted what the podcast is about.

00:02:49And I felt like I just talked about sex like 100% of the time.

00:02:53And I should have just talked about how sex makes me a lot of money 100% of the time.

00:02:57So, I'm rebranding.

00:03:00That's a way to put it.

00:03:01Basically, what happened is we filmed with Kazumi, what was that, like three, four months ago?

00:03:05I'm just a new girl.

00:03:07It was quite some time ago.

00:03:08And we brought her on the podcast.

00:03:10It was, I don't know, a month or two after we shot with Stella.

00:03:12And that podcast did great.

00:03:13Everyone loved it.

00:03:14People really liked that one.

00:03:15And we had you on.

00:03:16And I feel like 95% of the conversation was just like.

00:03:19I'm here to talk strategy and fun games and whatnot.

00:03:22We make the podcast as if his grandma's watching.

00:03:25And she is.

00:03:26And so, we want to make it appropriate for everyone's grandma.

00:03:29Hi, Jack's grandma.

00:03:30So, Kazumi, you're in Vegas because apparently you like to eat soup in Vegas and also do a bunch of

00:03:34podcasts in Vegas.

00:03:35Yes, I come here for podcasts and soup.

00:03:38And that's the only reason I will come to the city.

00:03:40I have seen you blowing up on like TikTok, YouTube shorts, YouTube, everything.

00:03:46So have I, actually.

00:03:47The amount of clips that are spiraling right now.

00:03:49Me too.

00:03:49She's all over my feet everywhere.

00:03:51What's up with your friends?

00:03:52It's TikToks.

00:03:54I am like a cancer.

00:03:55You just cannot destroy.

00:03:57I, you know who inspired me actually?

00:04:01I hate this guy.

00:04:01I think he's my Hitler.

00:04:02But Andrew Tate and his affiliate program.

00:04:04I did something quite similar with my Discord where I had my simps make memes of me and like populate

00:04:11TikTok and just kind of just keep multiplying memes and rewards for nudes.

00:04:16So you emulated the Tate marketing model.

00:04:19It's like the antifuses of Tate.

00:04:22Yeah.

00:04:22But you, you did the same thing where you got people to make memes and stuff.

00:04:25Yeah.

00:04:25Posted it everywhere.

00:04:26Hope, hope they went viral.

00:04:27Yeah.

00:04:27And then that kind of like drove traffic to your OnlyFans.

00:04:29But instead of giving them money, you gave them nudes?

00:04:33I gave them something of equal or higher value.

00:04:35Yes.

00:04:35No, you did not.

00:04:36Yes.

00:04:37If I gave them, it depended.

00:04:39Like sometimes I'd be like, okay, if something goes viral, that's a free video.

00:04:43Or like, let's say like if you get this amount of followers, I incentivize you in some certain way.

00:04:48But either way, I wanted a lot of people to see me all the time, everywhere, regardless of what your

00:04:54algorithm says.

00:04:55Wow.

00:04:56Yeah.

00:04:56That's what I've been doing.

00:04:58So how, what's the threshold then?

00:05:00Is it like 500,000 views, a million views?

00:05:02Or like, what's the tier list?

00:05:04I would say at this point right now, it's more so, I used to, I'm pivoting to focusing more on

00:05:09quality because some of my simps memes were like, I was like, who, like, that's not a lot of people.

00:05:13That's not funny.

00:05:13Like, what the hell?

00:05:14All right.

00:05:15But I have my own team that like gets a lot of like what I do on podcasts, YouTubes and

00:05:20skits.

00:05:20And they make their own little TikToks.

00:05:22And like people will make memes out of like what currently exists as well.

00:05:26And how have you seen that transform your OnlyFans business?

00:05:29Do you see like that actually helps a ton?

00:05:31That's a viable business model?

00:05:33Yeah.

00:05:33I just cleared my fifth million.

00:05:35So that's really cool.

00:05:36What do you mean your fifth million?

00:05:37So I made four million on April.

00:05:40And as of a few days ago, I hit five million.

00:05:43So that was my fastest million I've ever made by myself, which is cool.

00:05:46Oh my gosh, congratulations.

00:05:47Is that five million in like net?

00:05:49Five million net, not gross.

00:05:50Oh my gosh.

00:05:52Congratulations.

00:05:54The IRS is going to love you.

00:05:55They love me and I hate them.

00:05:58And the state of California too.

00:05:59I know.

00:06:00I've been thinking about Vegas and like moving somewhere else.

00:06:03I've been thinking about ultimately moving to Europe.

00:06:05I just came back from Berlin a few days ago and I just found it.

00:06:08I just, I just felt like it made a lot more sense over there.

00:06:11Yeah.

00:06:12Got it.

00:06:12But it's just been, it's just been kind of like, how do I make sure you're seeing me no

00:06:18matter what, you know?

00:06:20So you did $5 million in net, what, net profit basically since the beginning of your OnlyFans

00:06:26career?

00:06:27Yes.

00:06:27We'll talk a little bit more about the numbers, but how did you get into this specific business?

00:06:31So specifically it was, I was a marketing executive before I had my OnlyFans and I just, during

00:06:38the advent of COVID, I just did, I wanted a remote job and I wanted residual income and

00:06:42OnlyFans was kind of it.

00:06:44So I already was comfortable with people seeing me like that.

00:06:47I've already dealt with that social stigma without getting paid for it.

00:06:50So I was like, I might as well start making money off of it, but I didn't have a social

00:06:55media the first year I made an OnlyFans because I didn't want my parents to find out.

00:06:59And I just wanted to be super discreet.

00:07:01So I focused a lot on making memes.

00:07:04And that was kind of like how I would make a lot of my income first starting out.

00:07:07How would you make a meme?

00:07:08My first ever meme was a picture.

00:07:12I photoshopped, I photoshopped a picture of myself on a Fox News headline saying I got

00:07:17kicked out of Harvard and that blew up everywhere.

00:07:20It went on like Worldstar, it went on NoJumper, it went on all these other platforms.

00:07:24And I wasn't, I didn't have to get naked or be hot because I just didn't think I was a

00:07:28hot girl back then that would get followers for being hot.

00:07:31I felt like I could get followers for creating discussion, which is what I did.

00:07:35Got it.

00:07:36But how would that then drive traffic to OnlyFans?

00:07:38If you're worried about your parents finding out, wouldn't that be very likely to be found

00:07:44out?

00:07:44I just didn't want to, I think first and foremost, I just was really insecure of how I looked.

00:07:49I didn't think I looked, I fit the bill of what an Instagram model looked at the time.

00:07:52That was before I got boobs and a BBL and shit like that.

00:07:55So I just was like, I feel like the best way, and also just in general, you don't send

00:08:01your homies pictures of hot girls, you send your homies memes, you know, like what causes

00:08:05conversation, what causes, what creates a community is, are our memes.

00:08:10And I felt like that was also a safe way to get people onto my platform without me sharing

00:08:13too much.

00:08:14Got it.

00:08:14So what's the Harvard meme?

00:08:15Could you explain this?

00:08:16The Harvard meme was me pretending to get kicked out of Harvard, yeah.

00:08:19For doing what?

00:08:20For having an OnlyFans.

00:08:22How did you, how did you spin that?

00:08:24I, I mean, I just, what do you mean how did I spin that?

00:08:26Like, like, how did you create it from like start to that?

00:08:28Like, how did you come up with the idea?

00:08:29How did you execute it?

00:08:30What do you post it?

00:08:31I, what I did was I made the meme and then I messaged, so at the time I would buy,

00:08:35I would

00:08:35grow my following by buying promos.

00:08:37So you could message like big Instagram influencers, obviously, big Twitter influencers, and even

00:08:43like news outlets and have them like peddle out these stories.

00:08:46And I would pay them, and instead of hot pictures, I would send them these memes.

00:08:49And then people would argue in the comments or they would put it on their story and be

00:08:54like, what an idiot.

00:08:55And that would be how people would start blowing up my page.

00:08:59And how much were you making before this meme blew up?

00:09:02Before No Jumper, I was making about 50k a week.

00:09:05And that was a week.

00:09:06Yeah.

00:09:06So I was making about 200k months for a while before I got No Jumper and before I started

00:09:12like really getting it myself in the limelight.

00:09:14But with the advent of No Jumper, I realized like the power of podcasts, which is why I'm

00:09:18here today, because I just feel like that's the easiest way to make a meme because Instagram

00:09:22and TikTok promotes reels and videos and in the algorithm.

00:09:27And that's the easiest way to just cause discussion instead of photoshopping my face onto fun things

00:09:32and stuff like that.

00:09:33What were you like in like high school and before?

00:09:36In high school, I was pretty slutty.

00:09:38I think I was really awkward.

00:09:40I wanted to be a film student.

00:09:41You know what I mean?

00:09:42Okay, sure.

00:09:43I went to film school ultimately in college.

00:09:45Like I actually went to community college and I wanted to be a screenwriter and stuff

00:09:49like that.

00:09:49I dropped out to do my marketing thing.

00:09:53But I was pretty awkward.

00:09:55I was pretty awkward.

00:09:56I would say I always was pretty intense.

00:09:58You know, like I felt like in my marketing job and like in my film, like my mini film career,

00:10:03I was like just a very obsessive, intense person.

00:10:06And I just wanted to kind of conquer things.

00:10:08I feel like I don't think I've conquered OnlyFans just yet.

00:10:12I feel like people like Amoraph have totally like done huge things of that space.

00:10:17But I've been like navigating like just how to take over the internet in different ways,

00:10:22like with YouTube and stuff like that.

00:10:24So I just made my YouTube.

00:10:26Interesting.

00:10:26And let's talk a little bit more about this marketing executive position.

00:10:30What exactly was it?

00:10:31And do you think that your experience being a marketing executive translated to, I don't

00:10:36know, better funnels into your OnlyFans?

00:10:37So it's honestly hilarious when I like recounted because that was what my title was.

00:10:42But I'm pretty sure what I was in was actually an MLM because every morning they would put

00:10:47us in this space called Atmo, which is short for atmosphere.

00:10:51And they would just kind of like have a bunch of speeches every morning, like Tony Robbins

00:10:57and we would internalize that for an hour.

00:11:00It's just, it's bizarre to explain.

00:11:02Sounds like an MLM.

00:11:03Yeah, no, it was definitely MLM behavior.

00:11:05Explain the business structure there.

00:11:06How does it work?

00:11:07It wasn't necessarily an MLM where I had to recruit people to continue the business, but

00:11:12it was something similar.

00:11:14Like I had to build a team and it had the promise of like, you know, becoming a six figure

00:11:17CEO and having your own office.

00:11:20It was definitely an MLM.

00:11:21You know, but I will say in like my own twist, I felt like it was really good for me

00:11:27to just

00:11:27kind of, I was very impressionable at the time and being in kind of like a positive headspace

00:11:33about success and working hard and like pulling myself by the bootstraps was really good for

00:11:38me to internalize at a young age because I felt, I felt like it just helped me not get

00:11:42embarrassed first and foremost, because it was quite embarrassing.

00:11:46They would have me go door to door.

00:11:47They would have me go to B2B and stuff.

00:11:49And those things helped me just kind of learn how to like, you know, just make sure that

00:11:54like I at the time lived in South Central, you know, and it was at the time, like if

00:11:58I was not able to like hit my goal, my situation is still shitty when I come home.

00:12:05So I felt like it helped me internalize.

00:12:06Like I have to do this myself.

00:12:08Yeah.

00:12:08Where are your parents from?

00:12:09My parents are from the Philippines.

00:12:11And when did they come to America?

00:12:13Um, they, I'm, I'm raised in LA.

00:12:15So they've been here like for like 25 plus years.

00:12:18Got it.

00:12:18And why were you trying to hide it from them?

00:12:21They would commit seppuku if they found out what I did.

00:12:24I also just feel like in general, a social media career is not something that my parents

00:12:28would respect anyways.

00:12:29But when my parent, when I was 19, my parents kicked me out.

00:12:32So we just have general beef.

00:12:35Wait, why did they kick you out?

00:12:36I had a curfew at 10 PM.

00:12:38I got home at 10 30.

00:12:40Um, and they just gave me a bunch of trash, trash bags and they were like, you just gotta

00:12:44go.

00:12:45I didn't have a phone until I turned 18 and I didn't go outside for reasons beyond school

00:12:51work, um, until I turned 17.

00:12:53So I had a really sheltered upbringing, but I was on the internet a lot.

00:12:57And I feel like that's why I'm able to navigate the world pretty well right now with like memes

00:13:01and community building in that aspect.

00:13:04Why do you think they were so strict?

00:13:06Asian parents are pretty strict in general.

00:13:08I don't want to lean into stereotypes, but a lot of me and my friends had just had similar,

00:13:13um, situations like that.

00:13:14My parents are first generation immigrants.

00:13:16They came from the Philippines.

00:13:17I was the, I'm the oldest daughter.

00:13:19So they definitely, and I also, I'm just a little crazy.

00:13:21So I feel like they just were like, you just cannot go outside.

00:13:24When I was in the eighth grade, I held a boy's hand in front of the Claire's at the mall

00:13:29and

00:13:29they transferred me to a different school district in a different city.

00:13:32And they told me I couldn't have any social media and I tracked and I had a tracking device

00:13:36on my phone.

00:13:36It was just very intense all the time.

00:13:38And how did they find out you're holding a guy's hand?

00:13:40I was about to ask that.

00:13:41My, my friends.

00:13:43Oh yeah.

00:13:43Just word of mouth.

00:13:44Just somehow.

00:13:45Yeah.

00:13:45I guess they like asked my mom's, my friend's mom, like where they were, they found where

00:13:49we were.

00:13:50And then that was it.

00:13:51So I have this theory where if you have helicopter parents that like watch your every move and

00:13:56they're extremely strict on you, it creates a rebellious nature in you that's kind of

00:14:01hard to shake.

00:14:02And as you get older, you just tend to like to rebel and go against your parents' words.

00:14:06And then the same goes for like the inverse, where if they give you like way too much freedom

00:14:10that it, it's also a little bit dangerous.

00:14:13I think somewhere in the middle is probably the best way of parenting.

00:14:15Did you find that to be true in your own personal life?

00:14:17I feel like it's hard to say because I'm obviously like very outwardly, like I did,

00:14:23I have done a bunch of like pretty crazy and depraved sexual acts in my outside life, you

00:14:27know, but I also feel like, I don't know how much of that is because my parents were just

00:14:33really strict.

00:14:34They weren't that strict to my rudder and he is also a normal person.

00:14:37So I guess that's like kind of proof that like, I guess it must have affected me in

00:14:40some way.

00:14:41But I find myself like, I was lucky enough to like explore those sexual moments in my life

00:14:47and very safe and protected spaces, which is why I feel like I have a good understanding

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00:15:43So getting home at 1030 and then you got kicked out of your parents' house, was it like that

00:15:48night?

00:15:48Were they up waiting for you?

00:15:50Yeah, my dad was up waiting for me.

00:15:53What happened then was I stayed with my ex for a time and then it just got really bad

00:15:58and then he kicked me out.

00:15:59And eventually I was couch surfing and on the house for a little bit and then I came back

00:16:04to my parents when I figured out it's really hard to just not have a place to stay in Los

00:16:10Angeles, especially as a girl, I didn't know how to, my parents didn't let me learn how

00:16:14to drive or take the bus or, or get a job until like way older.

00:16:18So I just didn't really have the social skills.

00:16:21So I felt like I would have to, they kept me really dependent on them.

00:16:25Um, and then I had another ex-boyfriend and he kind of did the same thing where he kicked

00:16:29me out once we broke up as well.

00:16:30And I felt like those moments in my life, um, paired with me joining this like MLM was

00:16:36it kind of like was my training grounds for learning how to become extremely financially

00:16:41independent, you know, because in my mind I was just like, I don't want to need someone.

00:16:47I want to want someone.

00:16:48I don't want to need my dad or need a boyfriend or need anyone in my life to make sure

00:16:54that

00:16:54my situation is like livable.

00:16:56I need to make sure my own situation is good.

00:16:58And I feel like that kind of combination is how I've been able to kind of be successful

00:17:03now.

00:17:04Yeah.

00:17:04Do you have any direct stories or moments in time where things got extremely challenging?

00:17:10Maybe like you just got kicked out of someone's house and it's like 11 PM and you don't know

00:17:13where you're staying that next night.

00:17:15So I had another ex-boyfriend and he cheated on me as well.

00:17:19And he told me I had to leave by Saturday and I was like, okay, so what day was it?

00:17:23It was Thursday.

00:17:25So I had $300 in savings and I reached out to this friend and she let, and she was in

00:17:31charge of this like queer co-op.

00:17:34It was like a co-op full of like all trans and queer people.

00:17:37It was like an old frat house that like, you know, like 30 people would live in there.

00:17:41Like people would live in the living room for 10 bucks a night just to like sleep on the

00:17:45floor.

00:17:46And if you wanted a room, it would be 300 a month.

00:17:49So I was able to stay there for a little bit until, you know, people just kick this

00:17:54out.

00:17:54Cause you're not supposed to do that.

00:17:56And, um, I was able to save up for my place in South central, which is when I had that

00:18:00marketing job.

00:18:01And on new year's Eve, 2019, someone, um, kind of someone broke into my house and destroyed

00:18:08everything.

00:18:08I don't know what the universe issue with me was at the time.

00:18:14Cause I was just like, I can't catch a friend.

00:18:16You can break this is crazy.

00:18:17So I moved back into my parents' house again, and it was just hard because my parents, you

00:18:22know, just always had issues with what I did.

00:18:25Like when I dropped out, when I was in college for film school, they had an issue when I dropped

00:18:29out of it to do this MLM, they had an issue obviously.

00:18:33And so like me losing my house again for the third time or second or third time was just

00:18:38kind of their like.

00:18:40Signification.

00:18:40Like, look, you are meant to fail.

00:18:42Like you've s there is nothing that says that you are going to be a great.

00:18:46You know, you make the wrong choices and you can't think for yourself.

00:18:49And whenever I was home, it was just a very painful experience for me.

00:18:53Cause you mean, can I ask you how your relationship with your parents currently is?

00:18:56Because I'm sure that growing up strict Asian parents, like you were saying, they were getting

00:19:01mad at you for everything.

00:19:02I want to know how they felt one when they found out you had an OnlyFans.

00:19:06Oh, they don't know.

00:19:07I have an OnlyFans.

00:19:09How do they not know?

00:19:10No, they have to know.

00:19:11They don't know.

00:19:12Where do they know the money's coming from?

00:19:14I literally just talk about cryptocurrency till they tell me to shut the fuck up.

00:19:18They're just like, but we don't really talk like that.

00:19:21And I must, they must know.

00:19:22Yeah, they probably are acting blind to it.

00:19:25Yeah, that's what I'm thinking.

00:19:26No, my dad would beat my ass if he knew what it was.

00:19:29It's kind of funny cause I talk about it openly on podcasts and it's also like, I also have

00:19:34a billboard on Sunset Boulevard with my face on it.

00:19:37You do?

00:19:37I do.

00:19:39What?

00:19:39Where on Sunset Boulevard?

00:19:40It was on Sunset and Highland.

00:19:42It's like the main street.

00:19:43I had a billboard.

00:19:44How much was that?

00:19:45Let me guess.

00:19:46I'm going to get, can I guess?

00:19:47No.

00:19:48I had a discount.

00:19:49I had a discount.

00:19:49How many months did you buy?

00:19:51One month.

00:19:52One month.

00:19:53How far in advance did you book it?

00:19:55Like two weeks before.

00:19:57Two weeks before.

00:19:58That means they didn't book it.

00:19:59So my guess is.

00:20:01It was during Halloween.

00:20:03It was October.

00:20:04It just, it just got taken down.

00:20:05I would say the market value of that, like you said, Jack, is probably 30.

00:20:08I'm going to guess they gave it to you for 20.

00:20:10It was originally like 17.

00:20:12I got them down to 12.

00:20:14Wow.

00:20:14Yeah.

00:20:14How did you negotiate?

00:20:15It's just a simple.

00:20:16They had had a few OnlyFans girls.

00:20:19Used the same location before.

00:20:21So I think they kind of were like, this is just great viral advertisement every time I do this.

00:20:25Does that work?

00:20:26So I did not write on my billboard, hey, this is Kazumi's OnlyFans.

00:20:31What I wrote was Kazumi, please notice me.

00:20:34P.S.

00:20:35You have the best OnlyFans in the world.

00:20:37Oh my God.

00:20:38It's genius.

00:20:40I was just like, I made a YouTube video and I was like, whoa, who did that?

00:20:44I don't know who did that.

00:20:46That's smart.

00:20:47So people kept posting it and we're like, oh my God, these simps are out of control.

00:20:51Like, I can't believe that a guy would put that there for her.

00:20:55And it was a good discussion piece.

00:20:56That is genius.

00:20:57You know?

00:20:57You know what?

00:20:58If you ever decide to step away from OnlyFans, you have a career in marketing.

00:21:01Oh, thank you.

00:21:02I swear, that is such a great, like, I was trying to think like.

00:21:05That's like a Netflix-esque sort of marketing thing.

00:21:06That is fantastic.

00:21:08Yeah, yeah.

00:21:08How did you think of that?

00:21:10I just kind of was like, it's really funny, like the relationship people have with porn and

00:21:15sex and women.

00:21:16If I say, hey guys, I have a sex tape with this, with like my boyfriend in the car.

00:21:22Everyone's like, cool, that's not new.

00:21:24But then if I have an account that says, hey, I'm Kazumi's ex-boyfriend, fuck this bitch.

00:21:29Here's her leaked sex tape of us fucking in the car.

00:21:32Everyone buys it.

00:21:34But it's crazy because they don't want it to come from me.

00:21:38They want it to come from a fellow jerk face.

00:21:41Or they want to feel like women are just kind of like these little NPCs that like react and

00:21:47just like we don't have our own body autonomy.

00:21:49So I've been able, which is why I have my simps make the memes.

00:21:52Because if I make the memes, everyone knows it's me.

00:21:55And they're like, shut up.

00:21:57Whereas if my friends make the memes and they're like, oh, I feel like that's just a better

00:22:01story.

00:22:02It's a better discussion.

00:22:03Calling them simps.

00:22:04Do they like that?

00:22:05Yes, they're my simp army.

00:22:07That's not demeaning?

00:22:08I don't think it's demeaning.

00:22:10I love my simps.

00:22:11But I just, I thought that was just a modern name for fans, right?

00:22:14Like, that's...

00:22:15I don't.

00:22:15I don't think so.

00:22:16I mean, if somebody called me their simp, I'd be like, excuse you?

00:22:20Pull my credit card info off there and just like...

00:22:23I simp for everybody.

00:22:24I mean, I simp for Jack.

00:22:25You know what I mean?

00:22:26I'm a jack simp.

00:22:28So I'm doing this pro bono.

00:22:30I don't have a modeling team or agency, which sometimes is cool because I take all the money.

00:22:34But sometimes it sucks because I lose all the money too.

00:22:38Like, last year, my accountant was like, hey, so you allegedly said you spent $860,000 on marketing last year.

00:22:48Like, what?

00:22:50And I kind of was like, what?

00:22:52I don't think I did that.

00:22:53And she was like, you did.

00:22:54And I looked through and I did.

00:22:56IRS, I did.

00:22:58But it was also like, there's a lot of things that flop.

00:23:02You know, like for every like cool billboard that everyone sees and like has like a whole

00:23:06ruckus about, there's been a million times I've flown an airplane over a place that was

00:23:10too dusty or I've like flown like a billboard or I've driven like a billboard truck that

00:23:15like no one saw.

00:23:16So it's just kind of been a crapshoot of just figuring it out myself, like what has been

00:23:20a loss and what has been a W for me.

00:23:22Wow.

00:23:22How do you think of these ideas?

00:23:24Like, what's the thought process?

00:23:26I just think about what causes discussion, you know, and what is going to be worth the

00:23:31money.

00:23:31I understand what my strengths are.

00:23:33I'm in a saturated market where everyone is a hot girl and I just have to think about

00:23:37what would make me different.

00:23:39And I kind of was like, truthfully, what makes me the most money is doing podcasts and YouTube

00:23:43skits because that's like me broadening my audience and creating like a like I'm joining

00:23:48the multiverse when I do podcasts and like skits of other people.

00:23:51How much would this podcast make you?

00:23:54I'm just curious.

00:23:55It's going to depend.

00:23:56I mean, obviously I lean into having a great like conversation that fits your market.

00:24:00But also like I'm going to get like little bits of this and like repopulate TikTok.

00:24:05You'll see it.

00:24:05You'll see it on YouTube shorts and whatnot.

00:24:07OK.

00:24:08Yeah.

00:24:08But can you put a dollar amount on that?

00:24:10I'm just curious.

00:24:11Just my own.

00:24:12It's really funny because one time I tweeted out this thing on my Twitter and I was like,

00:24:16hey, guys, where did you guys find me?

00:24:18And the answers are always so eclectic that they'll say like, oh, I found you from this

00:24:21podcast or I found you from this magazine.

00:24:23And at the time, I may have not necessarily thought those things went viral.

00:24:27But at like years later and months later, those things compound.

00:24:30So probably a lot.

00:24:32But like over the course of like my OnlyFans career, as long as this YouTube video goes up,

00:24:37I'm going to make money off of it for a long time.

00:24:39Wow.

00:24:40Are there any ideas that you've not done?

00:24:42There's things I want to do.

00:24:44Can you share anything or maybe something that was like too much, like too far?

00:24:48I.

00:24:49Anything you shot down?

00:24:51We want a hint.

00:24:52Let me see.

00:24:53There's been things that I've like considered, but it's just like there are things that I

00:24:57can do, but they are just things that I have to do in the future.

00:25:00Like at some point, I would like to get an age.

00:25:03I would like to make an agency, you know, or at some point I would want to make an award

00:25:07show.

00:25:07I'd want to make something that makes me like positions me in a in like a leadership position

00:25:13where everyone is like, OK, Kazumi is that guy for for this section.

00:25:18Yeah.

00:25:18Yeah, I've been navigating my YouTube and it's been a hard game just trying to find out what

00:25:23my voice is.

00:25:24If I just want to like do skits or if I want to do stuff, I've been interacting with my

00:25:29simps or fans, you know, a lot.

00:25:31I just paid a simps rent.

00:25:33It was.

00:25:33How did that work?

00:25:34I've paid my simps rent quite a few times.

00:25:37The first time was I was at No Jumper Live and I paid for a No Jumper fans rent.

00:25:42This time I kind of was like, you know, you guys just pay my bills.

00:25:46At the end of the day, I love men and I love my fans and my slash simps super well.

00:25:52So I had this I filmed this YouTube thing where I was like, look, if you want me to pay

00:25:57your

00:25:57rent, you know, submit and I'll consider it.

00:26:01And this guy was like, sure.

00:26:02He works at my local Whole Foods.

00:26:03I can never go to Whole Foods ever again.

00:26:05And he tattooed my name on his arm and it says Kazumi loves you.

00:26:11And I was like, yeah, I'm going to have to pay your rent.

00:26:15You're going to get a lot of tattoos now.

00:26:17Yeah.

00:26:18You know what?

00:26:18Let me backtrack.

00:26:19Kazumi, you can call me your simp.

00:26:21I I'm OK with it.

00:26:22I'll pay your rent if you tattoo your name right now.

00:26:26What would you do?

00:26:28So Kazumi, a lot of people that I talk to that are that are women, there was like, I

00:26:35could make a killing on OnlyFans.

00:26:37You know, what what do you say is like if somebody actually wanted to start an OnlyFans and make

00:26:43a ton of money, what do you think are the top three things that they have to focus on?

00:26:48First of all, whenever a woman says that, I'm like, do it then.

00:26:52Do it then.

00:26:53And then I'll be like, no, I can't because this and that.

00:26:56And that's the whole point.

00:26:57Number one, you are going to deal with social stigma no matter what.

00:27:01I can keep this podcast as clean as possible.

00:27:03But and I can tell people how I made five million dollars and how I've done all these

00:27:07cool things.

00:27:07And for some people, I'm still just and that's all I'm ever going to be.

00:27:10And that's just something that I'm going to have to deal with as I navigate the world

00:27:15and I apply to houses and, you know, cars and like that's just the thing that I'm going

00:27:20to deal with.

00:27:20So number one is you are going to deal with social stigma as long as the world has a problem

00:27:25of sex workers, you know, making money.

00:27:28And just like that's going to be a thing, you know, and you have to be comfortable with

00:27:33the fact that, you know, I at this point nowadays, I get into some pretty high level places and

00:27:39it's cool.

00:27:40And then they find out I have an OnlyFans and it's like, oh, whatever, man, like you're

00:27:44just hot.

00:27:45Dude, everyone's hot.

00:27:46It has nothing to do with what you look like.

00:27:48So the first thing is like, look, you're going to deal with the social stigma no matter

00:27:51what.

00:27:51And you're going to have to live with that.

00:27:53And whatever repercussions that is, if your family and your friends, you are going, even

00:27:58though in my mind, it's not a big of a deal.

00:27:59My parents don't even know.

00:28:01And I'm this big.

00:28:02The second thing is it is not about the resources you have.

00:28:08It's about how resourceful you are.

00:28:10With OnlyFans, you are able to find your own audience.

00:28:13You don't have to have sex.

00:28:14You don't have to be hot.

00:28:16All you have to do is create value in the marketplace, whatever that is.

00:28:20That could be you talking about cryptocurrency like Marcus Two Braids, or that could be

00:28:25you shaking your ass like Ruby Rose, or it could be you actually making porn.

00:28:29But it doesn't matter.

00:28:30All you have to do is make people want to buy that.

00:28:33Got it.

00:28:34What are some of the non like sex work or porn people that do OnlyFans that do extremely

00:28:39well, like you just kind of mentioned?

00:28:41Do you know anyone?

00:28:42Amaraf doesn't have porn on her OnlyFans and she makes 1.5 million a month.

00:28:46What is it?

00:28:47Bikinis or what is it?

00:28:48I think she has an amazing Twitch presence.

00:28:50She also has done stuff like the billboards.

00:28:52She also has probably made her made more investments.

00:28:55Like I know she just bought a 7-Eleven, you know, so I, I, you know, people don't want

00:28:59to pay attention to what OnlyFans, what successful OnlyFans girls do and they're just missing

00:29:03game.

00:29:03But I know that she is able to make a lot of money.

00:29:06I think a lot of it also has to do with the fact that she doesn't do porn.

00:29:09And so like any type, any inch of sensuality you see from her is very stimulating and exciting.

00:29:15What do you think the ratio is between how personable you have to be?

00:29:19Like the, the, the level of people that go after personality versus looks, like do you

00:29:24think it's maybe 90% how you look and 10% personality or do you think it's flipped?

00:29:28I think it's easy for people to think it's based on looks because they see these girls

00:29:32with huge Instagram followings and then they have an OnlyFans and then, you know, they're

00:29:35not, but breaking their back.

00:29:37Um, but I would say, so I started on Telegram, you know, and I, and a lot of those girls

00:29:43still

00:29:44don't have OnlyFans.

00:29:45I mean, still don't have social media or if they do, they don't show their face because

00:29:49they still are going through school, trying to become a nurse or whatever.

00:29:52And I would say a vast majority of these girls may not be the most conventionally attractive,

00:29:58but they're very smart, you know, they know how to create a good hook, you know, with their

00:30:03captions, they know how to create scarcity, you know, with like whatever the fuck they're

00:30:08selling and make you want to buy it.

00:30:11So I would say like a big ratio of women, it's, it's really about like their own, like

00:30:15marketing strategies versus how you look.

00:30:17We see the loudest people, which are the people, you know, like Jimmy Smacks and stuff

00:30:21who have, who make these outrageous viral, like moves on Instagram and then are also very

00:30:26attractive, but those aren't necessarily the people that make the most money because I've

00:30:30seen a lot of these, there are numbers and a lot of them don't make as much as me because

00:30:35they think the social media is all they need to leverage themselves, but they don't know

00:30:38how to explain why you, I should buy a bikini picture.

00:30:41Some girls are really good at that.

00:30:43And some girls, you know, don't know how to make it seem like a personal experience.

00:30:47So what is your value prop in OnlyFans?

00:30:51Like I would say, number one, I think there's a lot of stuff you see about me on the internet

00:30:56that makes you feel like, you know, who I am on some, on some sense.

00:30:59And I feel like I'm a, I'm a relatable person, you know, and, or at least admirable.

00:31:03I've been to places where I've like thrown condoms on the floor of my barcode, you know,

00:31:07and sometimes guys will be like, you'll be the first OnlyFans girl I subscribe to just

00:31:11because you got that, that good heart, you know, you got some grit, you're, you're different.

00:31:15I'll subscribe, even though I don't want to see your porn.

00:31:17It's a, it's a good way to show support.

00:31:19How often though, are you not in the mood?

00:31:20Like you, you maybe schedule all this stuff out and you wake up that morning and it's just like,

00:31:24I just don't feel like doing it today.

00:31:26I feel like I can get there.

00:31:29I can, I can get there in the mindset I may.

00:31:31And if not, I can, you know, provide value in other ways.

00:31:35Like I have videos, you know, I have a library and a collection that you could just, which,

00:31:40which makes residual income, even if I don't, if I'm not actively horny.

00:31:43And the reason why I do all these podcasts and make all these memes is because I want, did money.

00:31:49I want my, I want to have a lifestyle based on money.

00:31:51I, on what I used, what I did, not what I do, because even though we did this podcast

00:31:56and you'll probably drop it in a month or two, this will pay me for the rest of my life.

00:32:00As long as people watch this video.

00:32:02I should get a cut, Jack.

00:32:05I actually have a question based on, um, based on you signing.

00:32:09You said you recently signed to like a, like a, a bigger porn company.

00:32:13Yeah, I just signed to Vixen.

00:32:14Okay. My question is a lot of people online have looked at OnlyFans and seen it as like, um, giving

00:32:22power back to the creator.

00:32:23Because back in the day it was like known that like, you know, you would get paid a salary as

00:32:29an actress and stuff like this.

00:32:31But now it seems like you're kind of going backwards.

00:32:34Like you've created your following online, but then you've decided to sign, um, to a company.

00:32:40Do you think that kind of defeats the purpose of having an OnlyFans?

00:32:45No, I think what I did was I signed up for probably the most HD commercial of my life.

00:32:51You know, I knew that if I, I, browsers and Vixen were things I've been looking at for a long

00:32:56time.

00:32:56I wanted Vixen because I just wanted to feel sexy and cute.

00:32:59And also just, just because I felt like it'd be a cool experience in my life to, in my life

00:33:03to feel like a star, um, in like the mainstream world.

00:33:08And I felt like I knew that if I did this video, I would have to give it my all

00:33:12because it's going to be on the internet.

00:33:14And a lot more people are going to see it in the official porn world.

00:33:18And so I just knew that if I, if I, if this was a successful commercial, this would be the

00:33:25best lead to my OnlyFans over and over again.

00:33:27There's a few people that have posted some stuff on me on Pornhub.

00:33:31And at first I was like, Oh, why would you do that?

00:33:34And then I realized every time people would do that, I would get so many more subscribers.

00:33:39Cause they'd be like, Oh shit.

00:33:40Like, I didn't know you actually did that.

00:33:42Like I just thought you were another bikini model that did funny stuff on the internet.

00:33:46So I realized, okay, if, if this, if that was, if that was a commercial, I can do a, an

00:33:53even better commercial.

00:33:53I feel like I'm just obsessed with excellence, specifically with my OnlyFans.

00:33:58I want it to be the perfect experience for men and for myself, because it feels good that people come

00:34:04there and then they're like, this is, this is cool.

00:34:06Like I thought you were a cool girl and then you didn't let me down with some weird shit.

00:34:10What do you think about OnlyFans management teams and managers in general?

00:34:13I have my opinions about it.

00:34:16I don't like them, but sometimes people need them and I'm not going to say that you shouldn't.

00:34:25I personally feel like there's a lot of value in myself.

00:34:29There's a lot of value I've learned personally.

00:34:32Like I know that even if I decided to stop OnlyFans right now, I know how to make $5 million

00:34:38in two and a half years.

00:34:39And I know I can go into a company and bring that value, you know, the other thing as well

00:34:45is I feel like everything I know I can teach someone to do.

00:34:50And if they don't, I don't like them anymore, I can fire them.

00:34:53However, when you sign on to an OnlyFans management team and agency, a lot of these girls have never done

00:35:00stuff like this before and they don't know how to make this money.

00:35:03And let's say they don't like this team anymore and they, you know, relinquish the contract and they don't know

00:35:09how to make 50K a week anymore.

00:35:10It sucks.

00:35:11You know, like I feel, uh, and I want, I, in my perfect world, everyone who does OnlyFans just does

00:35:17it because they want to do it.

00:35:18You know, and everything I make is because I want to do it.

00:35:22And obviously it's because it makes me a lot of money, but also because it brings me joy and is

00:35:26a great form of self-expression.

00:35:28And I feel like when you go into these management teams and you give them a percentage and they tell

00:35:32you, you have to do this.

00:35:33And then like, they're weird sometimes, but you can't let them go because you're in this like tight contract.

00:35:38I feel like, I don't know.

00:35:39I just, I don't know.

00:35:40I just have like weird opinions about that because I just want people to do it because they want to.

00:35:45So part of the value is just the, the, the learning.

00:35:48Basically you get building up your own OnlyFans, you know, for a fact,

00:35:51you go to a different company and your marketing stuff will translate to that company and you'll

00:35:55be able to make this amount of money regardless of what happens to OnlyFans.

00:35:58Whereas someone else that just takes all of the advice from a management team is left with

00:36:02nothing if that management team is.

00:36:03Yeah.

00:36:03Cause I, the problems I've heard is like my friends will join a team and then they suck

00:36:08because a lot of them do suck.

00:36:09A lot of them have no proven concept of being great or growing a girl because a lot of it

00:36:14is,

00:36:14is their own personal brand, which, you know, and you don't want those awkward conversations

00:36:19where they tell you how to do something you don't want to do.

00:36:22I find it virtual pimping, but I don't want to discount the girls who do have a good time.

00:36:26Cause let's say you just want a residual income.

00:36:28I mean, who cares?

00:36:28Like, I don't, you know, for me, this is like my, my life.

00:36:31That's my, my child.

00:36:32I have a personal connection to it, but I just feel like I had a friend, she didn't like

00:36:37her company anymore and they were like, okay, well, if you look at the fine print, it now

00:36:42says that you will still have to pay us 10% for two years, you know, like, it's just like

00:36:47bullshit.

00:36:48Yeah.

00:36:48Like, and it's like, I, I still, you know, as casual as I am about sex and I, and, and

00:36:54as freely as I like to give it, it's still within the fact that I have control over that

00:36:59and I wouldn't want people to lose control of it.

00:37:02Not, not necessarily because people always have sex on OnlyFans, but it's still like me,

00:37:07you know, I'm selling my assets, not myself, but I feel like that's still me a little bit.

00:37:13Let's talk about some of your assets.

00:37:14Cause I know you've invested into your body a little bit.

00:37:17My boobs.

00:37:18Can you talk maybe a little bit about like, where did you start?

00:37:22I, I always wanted boobs.

00:37:24It was the biggest insecurity of my life.

00:37:26I always looked at women and I always was like girls with big boobs.

00:37:30Maybe I'm, well, yeah, I'm bisexual, but I would just look at them and be like, they

00:37:33look so feminine.

00:37:34You know, I just wanted these like large boobs.

00:37:36I felt like I would feel more at home with myself if I had boobs and, you know, people

00:37:41will say it's for men and whatever, but every guy I've ever been with was always like, you

00:37:45don't need bigger boobs.

00:37:46And, and every time I've ever gotten a surgery, people have always said, you don't need to

00:37:50do this.

00:37:50You don't need to do that.

00:37:51But ultimately it was how I wanted to present myself in this world and how I wanted to feel.

00:37:56And so I got my boobs.

00:37:58That was kind, and that was kind of, um, the first time I made a lot of money on OnlyFans.

00:38:02So at the time my sugar daddies, like, they were just like, we could pay for your boobs,

00:38:08but you know, you'll pay it back.

00:38:09And I just didn't want to be an indentured slave over some titties.

00:38:12You know what I mean?

00:38:13So I was like, okay, let me focus on my OnlyFans and see if I can hit 25 K.

00:38:19And I posted it on my Instagram of a thousand followers on my personal.

00:38:23Cause I didn't have like an actual, like, and I was just put, had it on my close friends.

00:38:27And I was like, guys, I think I'm going to make 25, I'm going to make 25 K this month

00:38:31because I want some boobs.

00:38:32And lo and behold, I did it.

00:38:34And then I was like, that wasn't your first month though.

00:38:36That wasn't my first month.

00:38:36No, no.

00:38:37How much were you making in the months, uh, coming up to that?

00:38:39Like one K, two K.

00:38:40And then you just jumped from one K to 25.

00:38:43The first, it was 60 and then 25 and 50.

00:38:46But that growth happened because I was on Telegram, like asking, like, I'm not shy to

00:38:50be a student.

00:38:51You know, I don't know how, I didn't know how to be hot on the internet.

00:38:55You know, like some, it's for some girls it's easy, but I paid for courses that were like,

00:38:59Hey, how do you sex?

00:39:01Or, Hey, how do you take a nude?

00:39:02Or like, Hey, how like, should you caption this video?

00:39:06Because I thought I had awesome videos, but really it's just about the caption.

00:39:10Like, how are you able to create value or scarcity in this marketplace?

00:39:13Um, and when I started paying for those coaching courses and then that mentorship, that's when

00:39:18I started making a lot of money and it always shocks people because they think you should

00:39:22just know that, but it's like, I mean, if you pay for real estate classes, you pay for

00:39:26cryptocurrency, you could pay for only fans knowledge at the time.

00:39:29I gained a lot of weight during COVID because I would be on my only fans from 16 to 18

00:39:33hours

00:39:34a day.

00:39:34Um, people at the time weren't doing collabs or like doing Tik TOK really, or anything

00:39:40like that.

00:39:41And I just gained a lot of weight and I didn't feel good about it.

00:39:44And at the time I had weird opinions about working out cause I was just online and I

00:39:49would have like insane hours cause I would do all nighters cause that was the best time

00:39:53to sex with guys.

00:39:54So I bought a BBL and that was, can we talk, what is that?

00:39:58My Brazilian butt lift.

00:40:00Oh, right.

00:40:00Yeah.

00:40:00And I, it's jumpstarted my, like, like my, my, like love for fitness.

00:40:07Cause I was like, that shit hurts so bad.

00:40:09I do not want to get a BBL again.

00:40:10So I started working out and now I live in my workout clothes and I feel a lot more in

00:40:16control of my body.

00:40:17Um, I've also gotten a, uh, a chin implant.

00:40:20Really?

00:40:21I don't know if you guys, could you tell?

00:40:22Is my face different?

00:40:23No.

00:40:23Wait, since when?

00:40:24I'm like a month ago.

00:40:25Are you serious?

00:40:26Yeah.

00:40:26What does that do?

00:40:27So I don't know.

00:40:28You can kind of see, I got a chin implant, um, buckle fat removal and a neck lift.

00:40:34Well, the buckle fat is like, you couldn't tell my face is different.

00:40:37No, no.

00:40:39Well, I wasn't, I wasn't really like studying you to be, to be honest before.

00:40:42Yeah.

00:40:42But you know what?

00:40:43But, but those are the things you don't want people to notice because then you want

00:40:46it to be subtle enough.

00:40:47Like I'm always a fan of like, if you don't notice, that means it's done correctly.

00:40:50I feel like I look very refined now in my, in my little,

00:40:54my humble opinion, but it, it ultimately wasn't really a work decision.

00:40:59I mean, at the time I didn't have a social media.

00:41:02I, until after my BBL, um, it was more so like, I just wanted to feel good in my body.

00:41:08And I remember like my partner was like, you don't need a BBL.

00:41:11Like you need to just work out.

00:41:12And I was like, with, with like the way my body naturally was like it, fuck you.

00:41:18Like, no, it would have been a hard journey to possibly not ever have the framework that

00:41:25would carry like this type of weight gain, you know, or like the way, like my weight

00:41:29is like, just like, you know, sitting on my body.

00:41:33Um, now I, it, now that I work out a lot, I'm able to have a lot more control over

00:41:38the

00:41:38way I look.

00:41:39Like I could slim down or I could get thicker, but that's a lot of, because where my weight

00:41:43is now placed, like, you know, my fat cells are in my butt now.

00:41:46Yeah.

00:41:47Yeah.

00:41:47Got it.

00:41:48And now you mentioned something about abs.

00:41:50Yeah.

00:41:50I did buy my abs for 2k.

00:41:52If I do not work out, I will look really weird.

00:41:56What?

00:41:56Okay.

00:41:56So how does, how do abs work?

00:41:58What does that mean?

00:41:59What do you mean?

00:41:59I, I bought an app, I bought abs, I bought ab etching along with my BBL.

00:42:04So, so wait, so what, so what do they do exact?

00:42:06How does that work?

00:42:07I'm not exactly sure what the procedure was, but it was just part of the things that they could

00:42:11do when you get a BBL.

00:42:13Um, I never had abs, so I wanted them.

00:42:17Um, but I will say that like in like the weight times that my weight fluctuates and then I eat

00:42:24out and I don't work out, I will still have abs, but it will look quite unnatural.

00:42:28So I have to make sure that I work out and like eat right.

00:42:32So I feel like it's kind of like now a catch 22 of now you are going to stay healthy.

00:42:36So, okay.

00:42:37So my understanding is if the abs are in front of the fat, let me explain ab etching real

00:42:43quick.

00:42:43Do you have ab etching?

00:42:44No, I, I researched it because when I asked liver King, I researched what he get abs.

00:42:49He said he did not.

00:42:51Oh, shut up.

00:42:51Let me, let me explain what it is.

00:42:53So, um, ab etching instead of ab implants where they put in something to pop out the

00:42:58abs, ab etching.

00:42:59They're specifically sucking out the fat, like in the shape of like where the, the dents of

00:43:06the abs are so that you have a more defined ab.

00:43:09So you don't have any fat in between.

00:43:10So you basically shape your natural abs.

00:43:13That was only 2k.

00:43:14It was only 2k.

00:43:15Wait, but, but so why, wait, wait, wait, wait, but then if you put on weight, that just goes

00:43:22back to the places where you just took it out from, why not just get.

00:43:24No, because the way the fat cells work, it's like they, like they're taking out the fat

00:43:29cell, like it'll grow around it.

00:43:31Kazumi, do you, is that what it looks like?

00:43:32Probably.

00:43:33So like, I can try to find pictures of like when I gain weight, like my abs just looks

00:43:37strange.

00:43:37So, but I feel like it gave me like a new foundation, like surgery, what surgery does

00:43:43is it gives you a new foundation.

00:43:45And with your new foundation, what's your, like the rest of your journey is how well you

00:43:49actually maintain that.

00:43:50Cause a lot of girls, you know, who will not tell you have BBLs.

00:43:54Their BBLs just suck or like, or just like, they just like lost, like, like lost the fat

00:44:00in some way.

00:44:01Um, you, you have to maintain it or else it will look weird.

00:44:05And how much do you think you've spent in total on your body?

00:44:07I probably spent around a hundred K or so.

00:44:10A hundred K.

00:44:10Yeah.

00:44:11I mean, well, no, probably not.

00:44:12How much did each cost?

00:44:13Okay.

00:44:13No, I just can't fucking do math.

00:44:168K.

00:44:16Okay.

00:44:17Lipo 360 and BBL 14K abs 2K arm.

00:44:21Lipo 2K face was expensive, like 25 K.

00:44:27So probably a little less than a hundred.

00:44:29I'm not counting like post-op recovery and stuff.

00:44:31Like I wore obviously when I got my BBL, I wore my Faha and I didn't sit for a long

00:44:35time

00:44:36and stuff like that.

00:44:36And I went and I was sitting in a recovery home.

00:44:38Wait, how does that work?

00:44:39You're not supposed to sit.

00:44:40Well, no, last time she was here, she had this little bench thing.

00:44:43Remember, I didn't sit the whole podcast.

00:44:45Her butt was hanging.

00:44:46Yeah.

00:44:47It was like, she was sitting on her thighs, right?

00:44:49Yeah.

00:44:49Oh my gosh.

00:44:50And that's why I was like this the whole time.

00:44:53Wow.

00:44:53Because I was like way tall.

00:44:54Like I was sitting on my giant cushion.

00:44:55Oh my gosh.

00:44:56Okay.

00:44:57Yeah.

00:44:58Jeez.

00:44:59But I mean the ROI, like I don't think I am successful because I got surgery, but I

00:45:05will say it helped.

00:45:07It helped.

00:45:08It helped not only because I feel like I'm number one, more conventionally attractive,

00:45:12but I also just felt a lot more confident.

00:45:15Like I would take more opportunities.

00:45:17I think it's the confidence.

00:45:18Yeah.

00:45:18I think you could have done the same regardless, but now that you have the confidence, you

00:45:21feel more confident just pushing through that.

00:45:24Especially putting myself out there on social media, like getting on things like no jumper

00:45:28and getting on like skits and stuff where people are like hypercritical about my appearance.

00:45:33I felt like before I would have just really lost a lot of sleep over to things people

00:45:37would say.

00:45:38Part of me, like always in the back of my mind, maybe it's wrong.

00:45:41Maybe it's completely wrong.

00:45:42But part of me also thinks like, man, I feel like porn can be, could be damaging to the young

00:45:47mind of like a teenage boy or something like that, you know, or growing up and, and getting

00:45:51that instant gratification all of the time.

00:45:53And then I feel like inevitably to some capacity, you have to, as a young person that continually

00:46:00watches that regularly, objectify women in some way, or like, it's hard to avoid stuff

00:46:06like that.

00:46:07What's the difference of porn?

00:46:10Like if, if like a person sees porn versus like if they see a violent movie, are they,

00:46:15do you feel like, like if people aren't able to understand that this is entertainment, is

00:46:20that the, is that the movie's fault?

00:46:22Is that the fault of Transformers and Michael Bay?

00:46:25Or is it the fault of the, of the education you receive in your household about how you

00:46:29should feel about the things around you?

00:46:32I think the problem, Jack, is just having an unrealistic expectation.

00:46:36Maybe that's it.

00:46:37That's just like expecting what you see online to be a representation of what's, you know,

00:46:41in the real world.

00:46:42You understand it's not necessarily educational.

00:46:44And it's also like, obviously anything in excess is bad.

00:46:48You know, if I eat a bunch of French fries every day, and then I only eat French fries

00:46:53because I don't know how to cook anything but French fries, it's going to be pretty shitty

00:46:56for me.

00:46:56I think when people say that porn is harmful, I think at the root of it, we need to start

00:47:02having better conversations about sex and our expectations on sex with people, even when

00:47:07they're younger, you know, about like what porn is and what sexuality is and what you're

00:47:12actually seeing and how it's not necessarily a reflection of the reality we live in.

00:47:16It is a fantasy that we're providing.

00:47:18But on top of that, with OnlyFans, OnlyFans is so much more diverse in terms of like the

00:47:24content you're able to see.

00:47:26So it's not necessarily always porn.

00:47:28But even if it were to be porn, it's not necessarily like the, you know, like a girl

00:47:33that looks like me with like perfect proportions fucking guy with like a 10 inch dick.

00:47:37It could just be like normal looking people doing normal things.

00:47:40And when we start normalizing it and sort of instead of seeing it as like this taboo

00:47:45thing we should all avoid, we start realizing that it's just an act that people do and not

00:47:50necessarily something that is like evil or should deserve or deserves consequences for

00:47:54being enjoyed.

00:47:55That makes sense.

00:47:57Yeah.

00:47:57One thing, one final thought that I hear a lot, right?

00:48:00Not necessarily that I believe this, but I hear that like porn can be damaging to the

00:48:05family unit because people are getting married at a lot older ages now and they're having

00:48:11children at less rates.

00:48:12Elon Musk tweeted that he thinks that like the collapse of the population is going to

00:48:18be one of the biggest threats to humanity.

00:48:19And I don't know, in the coming years or whatever, because people can avoid going out and trying

00:48:26to meet people in public and their hormones that they have within them.

00:48:30Like for a dude, like your testosterone, like maybe it's depleted when you do your stuff.

00:48:35I wouldn't trust any weird thing that comes out that guy's mouth.

00:48:38But I don't think that's necessarily porn's fault.

00:48:44I think what's happening is during COVID people have really had a hard time learning how to

00:48:52communicate with each other and kind of go outside and take chances when they misunderstand

00:48:57one another. I feel like during COVID everyone went online and it's easy to say things and

00:49:03it's easy to experience life on the internet.

00:49:05And that's not necessarily a porn thing.

00:49:07That's just the thing that happened when everyone is forced to be inside.

00:49:10And now that we're all back outside, people have just kind of like kind of absorbed like

00:49:17these, these same type of social cues you learn on the internet.

00:49:20And now they're like bringing it to people in real life.

00:49:22And that's why I feel like people are, people seem angrier to me, you know, and people seem

00:49:28a lot harder to compromise with or like kind of reach like a level ground.

00:49:32And that's not necessarily a porn thing.

00:49:34That's more so an internet thing, you know, like I feel like we're just not learning how

00:49:38to become more social and learning how to communicate.

00:49:41I don't think there's a problem with people getting married later.

00:49:46I think as long as people are getting married because they want to get married and they're

00:49:51more stable and they're able to create like a loving present household, whatever you

00:49:56get married is totally fine.

00:49:59And if porn was something that were to become an issue in someone's relationship, that's

00:50:05not necessarily, it's not like a cigarette's fault you died.

00:50:09It's like, it's like your choices for continually like chain smoking for 20 years.

00:50:13This has been a longstanding trend though of people, you know, getting married later and

00:50:18all that, not having kids, but I think it's a lot of the internet, it's easier to have

00:50:23that interaction online.

00:50:24It's so much simpler than, than going out and like, think of how much effort it takes,

00:50:29like get ready, go out, you have to be, or you could just sit on the computer, do nothing

00:50:34and just share with your friends.

00:50:36Another thing that I heard is that millennials are getting married later in part because

00:50:40they're moving out of their parents' home later because they're choosing to stay home

00:50:45and save, or it's too expensive to move out so they stay at home.

00:50:49I think that's another big contributor.

00:50:51And the divorce rates when you get married after 25 drop substantially.

00:50:56The more education you have also drops.

00:50:58Which is good, yay!

00:50:58Yeah, because we all hear this statistic like 50% of divorce, 50% of divorce is ended marriage.

00:51:05Marriages end in divorce.

00:51:06But that takes into account like third marriages.

00:51:09Or like if you're married twice, your chances of divorce are significantly higher.

00:51:13And I think actually, more recently, it's about 65% stay married.

00:51:19So you're more likely to stay married.

00:51:20But then again, you could also argue, well, they haven't been together long enough to maybe

00:51:24get divorced.

00:51:25So like, you have to go through the entire lifespan.

00:51:28You have to wait till they die to get that statistic.

00:51:29You have to wait till they die to get the true statistic.

00:51:31Because what if they're married for 20 years and then they, you know, divorced?

00:51:34Is that, you know, at what age does that factor in?

00:51:36I think people are getting, also the thing of the internet is I feel like people are able

00:51:42to, when people find their little community, they're able to make more assumptions about

00:51:46the monsters that they don't understand.

00:51:49And I feel like that just creates, that creates more division.

00:51:52And I feel like that, like that destroys communication.

00:51:56You know, I feel like, for example, like someone can assume something.

00:52:00If I, if you say OnlyFans girl, people have a myriad of assumptions about that based on

00:52:05what, what community of the internet you're from.

00:52:09And from those assumptions, people will decide they don't want to give you the time of day

00:52:13or they don't.

00:52:14Whereas in real life, when you would actually just go outside to parties and meet people,

00:52:17people will tell you like, Hey, I'm trans or Hey, I'm different than you.

00:52:22And people will just have to learn how to navigate the world with differences like that.

00:52:26I like how, what I see like a deep value of yours is just respect for people.

00:52:31And I think that's, that that's really good.

00:52:33I think a lot of people lack respect for people that, you know, have opposing viewpoints that

00:52:37they have nowadays.

00:52:38Yeah.

00:52:39I just feel like it's important to learn empathy first and foremost.

00:52:43And I'm coming from a place where I feel like I'm, I'm misunderstood often.

00:52:48And one part is because I put myself on the internet and, you know, I dance and I talk about

00:52:53gangbangs, but at the same time, I don't feel like I need to intellectually,

00:52:56intellectualize, intellectualize that because I don't necessarily think doing all that sexy

00:53:00stuff means I'm less intelligent or like less deserving of respect.

00:53:04I feel like what speaks like most importantly is what I'm able to contribute to the community

00:53:10and how I make other people feel.

00:53:12And if I make people feel good, what is the harm in that?

00:53:17You know, if I make them feel good in a healthy way where they understand that the things that

00:53:21I create are entertainment and not necessarily a replacement for actual

00:53:26human connection.

00:53:28What are you doing now with all this money that you're making?

00:53:30Where is it going?

00:53:31You know what?

00:53:32I was telling someone like most of my money was in the S&P.

00:53:35And now I like every time I talk to my finance people, they're like, look, there's a lot going

00:53:41on.

00:53:41And I'm always like, I'm just going to keep it there.

00:53:44I obviously had a little bit in crypto, but not enough, but not a lot because I just don't

00:53:49really understand the space enough.

00:53:51I will get into real estate next year.

00:53:54They had issues with my tax return this year, so I just couldn't get into it.

00:53:58But I want to get a bunch of multifamilies and start either like Airbnb-ing it or doing

00:54:02something with that.

00:54:03I want to like diversify my income into YouTube.

00:54:07Okay.

00:54:07Then just get like other brand opportunities that aren't necessarily attached to me being

00:54:11like a sexual person.

00:54:12So I've been working on that.

00:54:14You know, I did the billboard, I did a YouTube video on that.

00:54:16So I'm going to see where that takes me.

00:54:19But mostly my money, if it's not spent on marketing and if it's not spent on like putting

00:54:27it back into the S&P, then it's me traveling and just living my life.

00:54:33I just came back from Berlin and I just feel like people are the best books.

00:54:36And it was just such a different space over there compared to here.

00:54:40So I just like want to continually understand people.

00:54:45I like that.

00:54:47What are some of the biggest problems you see facing society nowadays?

00:54:52Good question.

00:54:54This is so funny because I feel it's so funny because when I think about our last interview,

00:54:58I was like, Dick, stay explicit.

00:54:59So we had like such a different question.

00:55:01I know this is a 180.

00:55:02I know.

00:55:03Who is this person?

00:55:04Yeah, I like was like, let's forget what I said there.

00:55:08You know what we could?

00:55:09We could charge money to see.

00:55:11Through an OnlyFans paywall to see the original.

00:55:13I was literally just thinking that.

00:55:15Were you actually?

00:55:15Yes, I was literally thinking that right as soon as you said that.

00:55:17The problem is someone's going to copy it.

00:55:19Yeah.

00:55:19No, and also.

00:55:20It's going to get out.

00:55:21Like the things, like if they clip out something.

00:55:24Yes.

00:55:24And it makes it to YouTube.

00:55:25So I already combated that idea.

00:55:27If you go to DMCA and then just keep fighting it.

00:55:30But it'll come out regardless.

00:55:31Yeah, it's going to come out.

00:55:32Yeah.

00:55:34I think the biggest problem.

00:55:37These are such like giant questions.

00:55:39I think the biggest problem nowadays.

00:55:45I want to put Andrew Tate for a hydraulic press, bro.

00:55:48I think he is my Hitler.

00:55:50I think he is like one of the worst things to come about in this world.

00:55:54Why?

00:55:54Because I think when you.

00:55:57It's not that his views are new.

00:55:59It's the fact that he is able to influence so many impressionable people.

00:56:04Who are already, who are looking for people just like them to find a community.

00:56:11And then he, he gets you with this thing where it starts off with being with like, with self-fulfillment.

00:56:18Which is something we should all do.

00:56:19But then he makes it something hateful.

00:56:22And it just doesn't, it's not going to create a better world for us.

00:56:25It creates a more hateful, divisive world.

00:56:28When we put people in boxes and we have expectations for each other that are, and we pretend that this

00:56:36reality is an objective reality.

00:56:39We all have to follow the same rules in when that's not the case.

00:56:42Like the world is so much bigger than the small niche community that you're talking to.

00:56:46But what you're doing is you're creating a more violent world.

00:56:48And when you desensitize people with jokes and just, and with jokes like that or just like, you know, they,

00:56:59and these people already don't know how to talk about, to articulate how they feel and their differences.

00:57:04And they already feel alone and angry.

00:57:06It's just going to, all you do is create violence.

00:57:08You create a more violent world for people that you don't like.

00:57:12Because I've already started seeing like smaller people in the same vein as Andrew Tane start branching out and start

00:57:18spewing their own hateful things about black people, about trans people, about this, about that.

00:57:22And what you're doing is you're making it okay to be hateful.

00:57:25And I feel like, I'll get crucified for this, but I didn't have a, I don't have a huge problem

00:57:32with like woke culture.

00:57:33I think if we're, as long as we are working towards just making this a more comfortable place for all

00:57:38of us to navigate in, let's fucking do it.

00:57:41It's some, it's not cancel culture.

00:57:42It's sometimes people say something insane and they should, there should be consequences for that.

00:57:47You know, there should be opportunities that are lost because you should not be able to influence people that way.

00:57:52And I feel like as long as we keep enabling that type of behavior, and again, I'll get crucified for

00:57:59this because I did an e-date with Andrew Tate and I got the clout off that.

00:58:03And I also obviously make money, you know.

00:58:06What was it?

00:58:06What was the e-date?

00:58:07So I did an e-date with Aiden Ross.

00:58:10I didn't know who Andrew Tate was.

00:58:11I just was trying to win.

00:58:13But I just was trying to win.

00:58:15So I was saying things like, yes, you can impregnate me and we can create like a family.

00:58:19I think that was one of the clips that I saw.

00:58:21I'm sorry you saw that.

00:58:22I didn't know who he was.

00:58:24Afterwards, all my friends were like, dude, what the fuck?

00:58:27That was the first time I ever heard of him.

00:58:30I'm not really in that circle of the world.

00:58:32But then he became like this huge deal.

00:58:34And even now just talking about him, I hate it because I can recognize the game.

00:58:39What he is doing is causing discussion, which is what I do all the time.

00:58:42But I just feel like it's like, why is the discussion continually about rationalizing my humanity?

00:58:50You know, it's like I don't want to play devil's advocate when you're playing with my life.

00:58:55And I feel like people don't think that way.

00:58:57Why do you think he's playing with your life?

00:58:59In what way?

00:59:00He's playing with the lives of like women, you know?

00:59:03And I feel like what he does is he becomes this figurehead for guys who identify with dad.

00:59:09But those guys are never going to become Andrew Tate, you know?

00:59:12But when those guys, some of them are going to become big in their own sense.

00:59:17And they're going to copy the same techniques like what I did.

00:59:20And they're just going to create a more hateful world.

00:59:23You know, when you start saying that women don't have thoughts or women should have their

00:59:28body counts on their heads and you're talking to, you're speaking to the choir of people

00:59:33who already agree with you because they already don't want to try to understand women, then

00:59:39yeah, it does create violence because when those people enter relationships, like those

00:59:44people just won't be happy.

00:59:46You're going to say, or you're implying that those guys are going to say, oh, you've been

00:59:51with too many people and we're going to cut this, their worth is tied to that is what

00:59:55you're saying.

00:59:56What they're doing is, I feel like we are radicalizing young men into, because the algorithm, once

01:00:04you interact with a subject, with some subject matter, you will be inundated with that propaganda.

01:00:09Memes are propaganda.

01:00:11That's something I've learned myself.

01:00:13Like the more you like, like, like these children are being radicalized and it's going to create

01:00:19a worse world.

01:00:21Like it's increasingly becoming more difficult to call out people when they say something

01:00:25insane.

01:00:27Right.

01:00:27Like, like Kanye West saying something about George Floyd overdosing on fentanyl or saying

01:00:34something about Jews.

01:00:36That should not be a thing you should be able, you should be comfortable saying.

01:00:39So why is that even a controversial take?

01:00:43You know, like I'm going to say that right now.

01:00:45It's going to get clipped.

01:00:46People are going to fight in the comments.

01:00:47But why are we even at this point in society where people even want to rationalize that?

01:00:53We need better heroes.

01:00:54But what I'm trying to say is like one of the most, I said Andrew Tate, but what I mean

01:00:59to say is that like we are like the big, one of the biggest problems in the world right

01:01:05now is the fact that we are radicalizing people into really extreme positions, like into really

01:01:11extreme ideology, ideologies.

01:01:13That's just one example.

01:01:14Well, I think that's social media in general.

01:01:16Yeah.

01:01:16You have to be an extreme one side or the other.

01:01:19The middle gets no attention.

01:01:20So you have to be like.

01:01:21Yeah.

01:01:22You have to take extreme views because that's what gets the engagement, which gets pushed.

01:01:27And that's kind of the issue.

01:01:28And it's kind of a thing that's a catch 22 again, I'm a hypocrite, you know, because

01:01:33I obviously lean into being extreme and talking about extreme stuff because what gets views,

01:01:39you know, like sometimes if I just talk about my normal life, then it doesn't get views and

01:01:44it feels like a waste of time.

01:01:45But those choices are, are very brave, you know, because sometimes you don't want to say

01:01:52those things because I don't want to say this and then I'll lose my social media.

01:01:56The difficult part is I feel like there's not a lot of self-help out there for young

01:01:59men.

01:02:01There's really not.

01:02:02That's genuine.

01:02:02That's just not built on hate.

01:02:04Yeah.

01:02:05Yeah.

01:02:05But I think there's a lot of, a lot of young guys out there who are just, if they're spending

01:02:10a lot of time online, they don't get that practice socializing and it takes you like

01:02:14going out all the time and meeting friends and putting yourself out there.

01:02:17It's really, really, really difficult.

01:02:19And there's not that sort of guide out there really to show people, I think, in a way that's

01:02:25that's maybe productive or, or really is more like a step-by-step tutorial of like,

01:02:30Hey, you gotta go and introduce yourself to five people today and shake hands and follow

01:02:35up with 20 people, uh, hang out with someone tonight.

01:02:38It's like all that sort of stuff you have to kind of learn on your own.

01:02:41Yeah.

01:02:41That's why I liked Europe when I like went like last week.

01:02:44Cause I was just, it was just a very much more in-person society.

01:02:47And because it was a more in-person society, I found it more of a, I wasn't specifically

01:02:52in Berlin.

01:02:52Um, I found it much more of a tolerant society because I felt like you just meet people and

01:02:58then you realize that they're different.

01:03:00And then if you care about someone and they say something that isn't, that is hurtful,

01:03:04you say, Hey, I don't think you should say that.

01:03:07And I'm saying that because I care about you, not because I have a moral compass and I'm white

01:03:11knighting or I'm trying to virtue signal because it makes me feel good.

01:03:14I'm saying, because I want to keep you in my life and you make me uncomfortable when

01:03:17you say shit like that.

01:03:19And I feel like that's a sentence that so many people just can't say.

01:03:22I feel like it's terribly difficult for them to say that.

01:03:25And if I am wrong about something, I'm comfortable saying like, okay, I should not have said that,

01:03:31you know, there's consequences of that.

01:03:33I've, of things I've said on no jumper that I will live with, you know, but I understand

01:03:37the consequences of my actions when I say those things and how it impacts people.

01:03:40Yeah.

01:03:41I think it's just a lot at the end of the day of building someone's self-esteem and

01:03:45finding their place and passion in the world.

01:03:47And I think it's going through that self-discovery.

01:03:49It's probably from the age of like 15 to, I would say 30 for a lot of people.

01:03:54It's like those ages, I think are so just like formative and you have to want to change

01:04:00yourself and try to want to improve.

01:04:02And I think a lot of people either want a shortcut or they just have no interest.

01:04:05I think what happens is you're in a community and number one, it's hard to tell your friends

01:04:09like, hey, shit's not funny because you don't want to be, you don't want people to make fun

01:04:13of you, but you don't want to be out, ousted from this community.

01:04:16You know, when you enter like, you know, a certain part of the internet, whether it's

01:04:21on Reddit or Twitter and you say something that people disagree with, you know, sometimes

01:04:25you have to leave that community.

01:04:26And a lot of people, for a lot of people who aren't socially adjusted, that's like the

01:04:31worst thing that could ever happen to them.

01:04:32And so they will just kind of like laugh along or start internalizing the propaganda or seeing

01:04:37and say, yeah, women don't have thoughts, you know?

01:04:41And at first it starts with a joke and then they start kind of being like, no, like, I

01:04:45mean, everyone kind of agrees with me.

01:04:46Right.

01:04:47And then sometimes they say something and someone says, you shouldn't say that.

01:04:50And they say, fuck you, bitch.

01:04:51Like I'm able to say it because I'm, you know, I'm this person and I have a blue check.

01:04:56And, and I feel like it's just a catch 22 of like just a very toxic ideology.

01:05:00That's one of the things that's wrong in this world right now.

01:05:03That's the most long-winded answer ever.

01:05:05I'm curious if there's a, is there a female version of this?

01:05:09I'm sure there is.

01:05:10I don't necessarily subscribe to that.

01:05:12I would say what people argue is what you say earlier is that they've believed that,

01:05:16is that out from the outside looking in, people will say that porn is, can be a toxic thing.

01:05:21But again, I believe that's just your own relationship with sex because I feel like a lot of people

01:05:26watch porn and they have healthy relationships with people outside in the world.

01:05:30You know, I don't think that's a necessary deterrent for having communication.

01:05:34I think if you're terminally online and you don't communicate with people outside of people

01:05:38just like you, then you will have problems no matter what.

01:05:42I feel like there, I'm sure there are like, like, like toxic female things.

01:05:48I feel like there, I feel like with women, a lot of the toxic things that, that are part

01:05:54of like certain communities exist in retaliation to the way they feel about men.

01:05:59Probably.

01:06:00You know?

01:06:00You know what?

01:06:01That reminds me, uh, on Reddit, there's, uh, the thing, it's, what was it?

01:06:05The red pill?

01:06:06The opposite of that that I heard on Reddit and I read some of this, it's wild.

01:06:10It's called female dating strategies.

01:06:12I mean, I've seen that.

01:06:13And some of that stuff is so funny.

01:06:15Oh my gosh, we should pull up, we should just pull up like one of the top threads and see

01:06:20what they say.

01:06:21Okay.

01:06:21Some other stuff is so funny.

01:06:23Okay.

01:06:23Actually, I lied.

01:06:24I definitely have some female friends who I feel like, again, have like, I think the problem

01:06:30is just having like weird expectations about the other sex for whatever reason, like feeling

01:06:35like you owe me money or, or, or like whatever, because I have pussy and whatever.

01:06:39And then weaponizing sex to kind of make sure that you do my life.

01:06:44I don't know.

01:06:45But I just feel like, just grow out of it.

01:06:48I think like, like one thing that's being propagandized, if that's a word on the other

01:06:53side to, uh, maybe not a similar degree, but just in general is like the hate all men type

01:06:58thing, which I've heard a lot.

01:07:00And in fact, uh, I actually went on a Tinder date with someone who hated all men subscribed

01:07:06to the hate all men ideology.

01:07:08Oh, which didn't really make sense to me personally because she was on a date with me.

01:07:13It didn't necessarily make me feel very secure nor confident in the, was she like joking

01:07:18or was she, I, I think when women say that I like to think what they mean is they don't

01:07:25like the systemic things that patriarchy has created over the history of time that have

01:07:32made living and navigating this world as a woman difficult or maybe she means the actual

01:07:39male race.

01:07:39I don't know.

01:07:40I think that they're probably combining the two, you know, like, like because of this

01:07:45you should think this, you know?

01:07:47Yeah.

01:07:48Yeah.

01:07:48I think it's, I don't see the thing as in terms of like men in cells and fem cells, I

01:07:56guess I kind of see like where this pain comes from, but it's just like a misguided.

01:08:01It's so misguided.

01:08:02Well, what really is going to help us is focusing on, first of all, our individualized relationships

01:08:07with each other and not like basing like the choices we make by soft memes and shit

01:08:12we see on the internet and actually just getting to know someone, whatever the hell their

01:08:16astrology sign or whatever the hell their credit score is.

01:08:19Um, yeah, I think it's just the extremism on both sides.

01:08:24Yeah.

01:08:24It's really hard to think for yourself because it's a lot easier just to be told what to

01:08:29think, especially from people that are put in positions of power, right?

01:08:32Where if they have that blue check, you're like, oh, I should believe them.

01:08:35Or some sports celebrity says something and you're like, I should believe them because

01:08:38they're successful in their given niche.

01:08:40Yeah.

01:08:41I was telling someone, I feel like it's because as a, I'm not religious, but I feel like because

01:08:45people just generally aren't more like, like people defend Kanye West, like he's like Jesus

01:08:51or something.

01:08:52Like, it's insane to me.

01:08:53I feel like because people aren't necessarily like religion worked for a long time and I

01:08:57guess it still does work because of the, there was again, the sense of community where people

01:09:01felt like they had like a common objective, which was to go to heaven or whatever.

01:09:04And now it's like, I, I just feel personally, I feel personally connected to Tory Lanez, no matter

01:09:12what he says or does, you know?

01:09:14And I feel like because of this like intense celebrity culture where we're seeing all this

01:09:17news and these people can pay each other off to like post, like whatever propaganda they

01:09:22want.

01:09:22Like a lot of impressionable people are able to just choose sides and like really stand

01:09:28their ground and loyalty with these on, about these people that don't even know.

01:09:33Yeah.

01:09:33I couldn't find anything on them that was interesting.

01:09:35Yeah.

01:09:36It would take me too much time.

01:09:37What is the female dating strategy?

01:09:39I think it's, it's the women's version.

01:09:42I could be totally off here.

01:09:44The women's version of the red pill where I think it's, I hate making, making up an explanation

01:09:52here, but that's probably all I'll leave it at without doing my research.

01:09:56Yeah.

01:09:57I was like, you were like, I think it's bad.

01:09:59No, I remember reading something back then of like, yeah, you want to do this and you're

01:10:03don't tell him this and you better not call him back at this time.

01:10:06It's like, like the, the pickup version for women.

01:10:08Oh, I see.

01:10:09I think I always tell people like nowadays when you are an adult woman and I'm like, I'm

01:10:1525 and it's like, I, I talk to people, the type of person I like is someone who number

01:10:20one has a healed perspective on women and isn't ashamed about sex and believe, and doesn't

01:10:26believe sex should have, enjoying sex should have consequences, which I feel like a lot of

01:10:30people feel like, like you like sex.

01:10:32That's really bad.

01:10:32Like you should only be with someone like you really, really like.

01:10:35These like pickup artists, both for men and women, I feel, I mean, they probably existed

01:10:40before the internet when people struggle to like find a date and stuff, but it's like

01:10:45as an adult woman, I decide if I want to get to know a guy, like just talking to him

01:10:52and

01:10:52any type of strategy, like it's just coercion after a point because either I decided I wanted

01:10:59to spend time with you or I didn't.

01:11:02If you keep kind of badgering me with like whatever you think is like a clever line or

01:11:07whatever, I mean, I'll, I just, most times it just doesn't work because I already decided

01:11:12I'm not attracted to you in some sense or form.

01:11:14The best thing you can do is just focus on making sure you're your best self.

01:11:18I think a lot of it is learning how to showcase who you are as a person.

01:11:23And then you attract what you are.

01:11:24Yeah.

01:11:24But I think most guys out there have no idea how to do that in terms of like effectively

01:11:29communicating who they are, what they stand for, uh, and building up that confidence.

01:11:34And that's where I think it, I don't, I don't think it's a line or anything.

01:11:36I totally disagree with the idea of like, Oh, you got to think of a super clever response

01:11:41and wait three hours to respond because it's just like, just be who you are.

01:11:47And how's that working for you, Jack?

01:11:49Fantastic.

01:11:50It's great.

01:11:50Okay.

01:11:51Maybe not the greatest, but I'm not really putting myself out there.

01:11:54Okay.

01:11:55Jack's conversation is going great though.

01:11:57In the beginning though.

01:11:58Thanks.

01:11:58Well, I've gotten more confident and I think confidence is a huge part of being able to

01:12:02be attractive.

01:12:03You know what I mean?

01:12:04Yeah.

01:12:04I feel like you just attract what you are.

01:12:07Like when I was a very insecure girl coming out of my dad's house, I attracted people who

01:12:12were just as insecure and sick and twisted, you know?

01:12:15And now that I just know myself, the people I talk to are just as confident and just, and

01:12:20just as attractive.

01:12:22And as long as you are presenting your best, best self, you're going to attract people who

01:12:26are attracted to that, which is what they are.

01:12:28There's no game to play really.

01:12:30Can you say one thing that you like or a good thing about Andrew Tate?

01:12:35Um, I, I like his, I respect his strategy.

01:12:40His strategy with the hustle thing was cool, which is why I did it with my simps or slash

01:12:45fans.

01:12:46You know what I mean?

01:12:46Like I, anyone who can get to any type of, who can get such a huge audience is not an

01:12:54idiot.

01:12:55You know, like you, and every, like you, I'm not an idiot, you know, like no matter what

01:13:01people, if you, I don't have to agree with anything he says to not recognize that whatever

01:13:05he is, he is a very smart guy.

01:13:07And he knows how to do a lot of things, which a lot of people don't knew, which is do,

01:13:13which

01:13:13is how to influence.

01:13:15And that's what he's doing.

01:13:16He's learning how to influence people.

01:13:18Like even right now, unwarranted, I'm talking about him, you know, because I have a strong

01:13:22opinion about that.

01:13:23And if people talk about me, then that means that I have influence.

01:13:27Um, but most of all, I just respected his, um, like his like affiliate link strategy thing.

01:13:33I found that a very smart thing.

01:13:34And what do you think are some pillars of a successful relationship?

01:13:38What does a relationship need?

01:13:40Like a romantic relationship?

01:13:42Um, shared values, shared values.

01:13:45Cause I feel like ultimately if I believe something about, and I'm not just saying like you like

01:13:52pineapple pizza, I don't like pineapple pizza, but I'm saying certain things like, okay, like

01:13:57if I wanted to get an abortion, are we able to do that?

01:14:02Or is that something you just couldn't do?

01:14:03Or like, what are your thoughts financially about?

01:14:06Like, if I would need to move across this country, are we going to move?

01:14:09Um, shared values is the biggest thing and shared interests too.

01:14:14You know, I want to be able to talk to someone who like, just knows, likes the same things

01:14:21I do, or at least is open to it.

01:14:23You know, I think another thing too, is just like, you just gotta want to, you, you have

01:14:27to like me.

01:14:28And I think a lot of the times chemistry, I think a lot of times people forget that crucial

01:14:33thing in relationships is I feel like sometimes people want to establish a power dynamic, you

01:14:39know, like they're like, cause maybe because that's how they were when they were kids and

01:14:42their parents had a power dynamic, but I don't want to control you.

01:14:45And I don't want you to control me.

01:14:47Ultimately we are together because you like me and I like you and I want to spend time

01:14:51with you and I want to grow with you in some capacity, maybe not forever, but I like you.

01:14:57And that goes for even like friends, you know, I don't establish certain rigid expectations

01:15:03on my best friend.

01:15:04Why would I do it with my boyfriend?

01:15:06I'm in an open relationship, but if, even if I was in a monogamous relationship, is my

01:15:10person, is my person able to navigate the world comfortable knowing that I won't get

01:15:14mad over everything?

01:15:16Like, well, is he happy to be with me because I'm happy to be with him?

01:15:20I don't, all, all relationships, you know, you get, you give each other stuff, you know,

01:15:26not necessarily because it's based on transactional things, but like, I want to feel happy when

01:15:33I'm with you, you know, and I feel you just have to like someone.

01:15:36You don't have to come into a relationship thinking like, I need you to do this.

01:15:40And I, you know, you can't go outside with your friends at 10 PM on a friend's birthday.

01:15:44Cause that's what's, let's do, you know, like I want to know that I'm able to be my own

01:15:48person.

01:15:49Yeah.

01:15:49I would actually agree with that.

01:15:50I think the three that I always end up saying are like shared values, shared interests and

01:15:54just general chemistry, which is general chemistry.

01:15:57And it's just like learning how to be independent.

01:16:00I want to want you.

01:16:02I don't want to need you.

01:16:04I don't want my lifestyle to be bit, which is why I always preach to women.

01:16:08You need to be financially independent.

01:16:09It's not cute.

01:16:10It's not cute to depend on a guy to say, to like, to, to like, because you don't want

01:16:16to demean yourself because this guy pays rent, you know, like I want to be able to be in

01:16:22a relationship because I want to.

01:16:23And if we're not happy, then I can just leave.

01:16:26I don't have to consider like, Oh my God, I like my car is under your name.

01:16:32Like you'll take my car.

01:16:33If you don't like me anymore.

01:16:34I think trust is another big one.

01:16:36Trust.

01:16:36Yeah.

01:16:37Yeah.

01:16:37Are you signing a prenup?

01:16:38Yeah.

01:16:39Yeah.

01:16:39As you should, you know, we've talked so openly about this.

01:16:43You believe in prenups?

01:16:44I'll sign a prenup.

01:16:45But I, again, don't go into my relationships thinking about what they can do for me.

01:16:51You know, I, I can't, I came into it because I just liked the person and I mean, whatever

01:16:56makes them feel comfortable is just what I'm going to do within reason.

01:17:01You said your only fans was $3 a month.

01:17:03My only fans is $3 a month.

01:17:05I, I'm not shouting it out, but you guys know where to find it.

01:17:09Okay.

01:17:10So how do you break up your only fans?

01:17:12Like percentage wise, like tips, subscriptions.

01:17:15How does it total?

01:17:16What was it like three, $400,000 a month or something?

01:17:18I probably make around $300,000 a month.

01:17:21Now last month was kind of low at 274, but the month before that I did 334, which is cool.

01:17:28And I also have a fansly, which generates about 40 to 50 K a month.

01:17:32That's just my only fans backup.

01:17:34$3 is a low acquisition cost for you to be able to see hundreds and thousands of pictures

01:17:38and videos.

01:17:38Now, if you want a more personalized connection, such as like a scene with me and Johnny Sins

01:17:44or like a sex thing, that would be an additional cost.

01:17:48I keep everything reasonable, you know, because again, I'm here for a sustainability, you know,

01:17:53I'm here for a long time.

01:17:54I'm here for a good time and a long time.

01:17:57Here for a long time.

01:17:58If you were to draw a pie though, how would you allocate the little pieces of the pie?

01:18:02I would say messages is a big one because obviously like people buy videos into messages

01:18:07or like we'll sex, like if you want me to on the spot, get naked in this like Denny's

01:18:13bathroom, I guess I'll do it for $30, you know, right now.

01:18:16I'm okay.

01:18:17Sure.

01:18:17Um, if I, I would say a big thing too is subscriptions.

01:18:22Like those $3 fucking add up because I would say about a thousand or so people join every

01:18:27day just to see what's going on, you know, because $3 is a low acquisition cost to be

01:18:32like, okay, I can see what's, I like it.

01:18:34I feel, or, and a lot of my friends also just support what I do.

01:18:38They see the billboard and they're like, that's funny, you know, and they'll, they'll support

01:18:42support that way.

01:18:43So I feel like those things are kind of like the main stuff that like make me a lot of

01:18:46money.

01:18:47Love it.

01:18:48Cool.

01:18:49All right.

01:18:49Thank you so much.

01:18:50Thank you so much for coming back on Kazumi.

01:18:52We really appreciate it.

01:18:53It was way better than the first one.

01:18:54I loved it.

01:18:54Fantastic.

01:18:54Yeah.

01:18:55It was a great episode.

01:18:56Woohoo.

01:18:56So thank you guys so much.

01:18:58I really appreciate it.

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