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00:00Here we go!
00:00Hola, hola!
00:01Jestem Starycki!
00:02Ołodawie, ma się spotkać.
00:03Nice to meet you.
00:03My pleasure, my pleasure.
00:04How are you doing, guys?
00:05Nice to meet you.
00:11Thanks for taking the time, mate.
00:12My pleasure, yeah.
00:13You're a phenomenal booking for us.
00:14We're very proud to have you in.
00:16Yeah, yeah, me too.
00:18Hello!
00:19Hello, Chris!
00:20As I take a sip of coffee here.
00:22I'd love to talk to you about your wrestling career.
00:25Incredible career.
00:26Thank you.
00:26You know, you're a fantastic champion.
00:30over 30 years
00:32of wrestling
00:33and fame came
00:36quite quickly
00:37to you, first four years
00:39you're a huge household name
00:43how did that affect you at the time
00:45and did you enjoy it?
00:47Well it's funny, household name
00:49for example
00:50so I spent years
00:53wrestling around the world
00:55before I ever really made much of an impact
00:57in the states which was in 96
00:59so 6 years in
01:00but I was a household name in Mexico
01:03like I was on the cover of like
01:05the teen magazines and that sort of thing
01:08then I was a household name in Japan
01:10not household, if you're a wrestling fan
01:12you would know who I was
01:13Mexico was way more mainstream
01:14because of the soap operas and the magazines
01:16and all that sort of thing
01:18but yes at a very young age
01:19I was on the covers of magazines
01:23headlining arenas in Mexico
01:25when I was 22 years old
01:27you know
01:28but it's all relative
01:30like even when I first started wrestling
01:32at 19
01:33you would go to
01:34you know
01:35a small town in Alberta, Canada
01:37like here we are in
01:38I don't know
01:40Rimby, Alberta
01:41a little small farm town
01:43but after the show
01:44you would go to the local bar
01:46and the wrestlers would get
01:47to the front of the line
01:48and get free drinks
01:49so you're kind of
01:50you're famous in Rimby
01:51on that night
01:53at 19 years old
01:54so
01:55and then it continues to grow
01:56and grow and grow
01:57it never really got into my head
02:00but you do
02:01kind of
02:02feel a little differently
02:04at that point in time
02:05like
02:05like some certain rules
02:06don't apply
02:08as much
02:09like whenever we had shows
02:10in Madison Square Garden
02:11for example
02:13if I was late
02:14I would drive the
02:14there's one road
02:16I can't remember the name of the street
02:17I would drive the wrong way
02:19down a one way street
02:20because it cuts time off
02:22to get to the garden
02:22and I knew
02:23it doesn't matter
02:24if I get pulled over
02:25because the cops will know
02:27oh it's Chris Jericho
02:28going to the garden
02:29go right through
02:29so you do kind of
02:31think a little
02:31that's fine
02:32I'll just go
02:32it's only a block
02:33I'll drive the wrong way
02:35it's not a good way to be
02:37but it just kind of
02:38gets into your head
02:39that way
02:39it's like
02:40that's fine
02:40it's okay
02:41don't worry about it
02:42I would like to think like that
02:43I would end up in jail though
02:44well yeah
02:45I mean most people probably
02:46would
02:47but it's like
02:48it's okay
02:49we're right near the garden
02:50the cops will be fine with it
02:51so you do kind of
02:52grow up a little bit differently
02:54you can let it get to your head
02:55but it's
02:56but you can't
02:57you just
02:58it was just the way it was
03:01from an early age
03:03but you're working hard
03:04to get this
03:05so that's kind of
03:06one of the
03:07I guess
03:08the side benefits
03:10of
03:10you know
03:11being famous
03:11I guess you'd say
03:12for people
03:13kind of less familiar
03:14with wrestling
03:15you were at the
03:16you know
03:17the epicenter
03:18of the golden era
03:19you know
03:19with Triple H
03:21The Rock
03:21The Undertaker
03:22Kane
03:22you know
03:23you were
03:24you were bang
03:24a huge central figure
03:26to those
03:27incredibly famous
03:29wrestling times
03:31after
03:32competing at that level
03:34with
03:34men who
03:36you know
03:36often were
03:37quite a lot bigger
03:38than you
03:39what kind of toll
03:40does that take on your body
03:41over time?
03:42well I mean
03:43just being in the business
03:44isn't easy
03:45whether it's big guys
03:46or small guys
03:48it's very hard
03:49on your body
03:50I think people
03:51don't understand
03:52just
03:52I think
03:53I think taking a bump
03:54which is
03:55the fall
03:56in wrestling
03:57I think some doctor
03:58said it's the equivalent
03:59of like getting hit
04:00by a car
04:00at 10 miles an hour
04:01or something like that
04:02like it's not
04:03a hard hit
04:04but still
04:04you're getting hit
04:07I've been very fortunate
04:08to be durable
04:08I've never been injured
04:11in wrestling
04:12I broke my arm once
04:13in 94
04:15which I was out
04:16for 7 weeks
04:16but other than that
04:17I've never been
04:18injured ever
04:19I mean
04:19for somebody
04:20that's never done it before
04:21you'd probably feel like
04:23you broke your back
04:23if you took a bump
04:24I mean I remember
04:25the first time
04:25I hit the ropes
04:26it was like getting hit
04:27in the bread basket
04:29with a baseball bat
04:30like you don't realize
04:31how hard those
04:32ropes are
04:34but for us
04:35it's just
04:36commonplace
04:36you just get used to it
04:37well so when you
04:38when you spring off
04:39the ropes
04:40you feel
04:41you don't feel it now
04:43but when you first do
04:44it hurts
04:45like it's not easy
04:47like people don't realize
04:48how hard that ring is
04:50a lot of times
04:51I think
04:51there's kind of a
04:52misconception
04:53that it's more like
04:54maybe kind of a
04:54trampoline bouncy thingy
04:56and it's oh
04:56how fun is this
04:57it's really not
04:58it's wooden boards
04:59with a little thin
05:01mat over it
05:02with kind of a
05:03springy coil thing
05:04in the middle
05:05but like a
05:06like a big giant
05:07bed spring
05:08like it doesn't
05:09really move
05:09it just kind of
05:10goes like that
05:10sort of a deal
05:11so you have to
05:12get used to
05:13that sort of
05:14thing
05:15but then once
05:16you do
05:16it's just kind
05:17of instinct
05:17you don't even
05:18really notice it
05:19and it's just
05:20kind of the way
05:21it is
05:21so it doesn't
05:22really hurt
05:23after a while
05:23do you find
05:24do you find that
05:24being a creative
05:25person
05:25which obviously
05:26you are
05:26with your music
05:27does that help
05:28make you a better
05:29wrestler
05:29it's the only
05:30thing that matters
05:30it's the only
05:31thing that matters
05:32is creativity
05:33personality
05:35charisma
05:35I mean that's
05:36what makes you
05:37become a big star
05:38in the business
05:39it doesn't matter
05:40the moves that
05:40you do
05:41oh I can do
05:42a triple moonsault
05:43who cares
05:44like it doesn't
05:45matter
05:45it's how you
05:46connect with the
05:47crowd
05:47how you get
05:49your character
05:50over
05:50with the audience
05:52how you
05:52build a story
05:54that people
05:55care about
05:55it's like watching
05:56a movie
05:56you can go to
05:57a movie
05:58like some
05:58Hollywood blockbusters
06:00that they spend
06:01200 million dollars
06:02on but it's shit
06:03because it's just
06:04all a bunch of
06:04effects
06:05and set pieces
06:07but there's no
06:08characters that you
06:09can relate to
06:10and the plot
06:10isn't good
06:11and then you can
06:12go see another
06:12movie that maybe
06:13cost you know
06:14500,000 dollars
06:15to make
06:15but it's one of
06:16the greatest movies
06:17of all time
06:17because you
06:18you connect
06:19with these
06:19characters
06:20that you're
06:20watching
06:21and that's
06:21what wrestling
06:22is
06:22it's all
06:22based on
06:23that
06:23I tell
06:24everybody in
06:25the business
06:25young guys
06:26and girls
06:26that come in
06:26like it's
06:27work on your
06:28character
06:28and connect
06:29with the
06:29audience
06:29if you can
06:30do that
06:31you'll always
06:32have a job
06:32not just in
06:33wrestling
06:34but in show
06:34business
06:34that's what
06:35it's all
06:35about
06:35another
06:36another
06:36primary
06:37factor
06:38obviously
06:38that you
06:38all have
06:39to have
06:39is
06:40extraordinary
06:41levels
06:41of athleticism
06:42you know
06:43you're doing
06:43things that if
06:44performed poorly
06:45would be really
06:46dangerous
06:46well you can
06:48really get
06:48hurt
06:48it's not
06:49even not even
06:50the acrobatics
06:51like just even
06:52just stepping
06:52into the ring
06:53I mean I've
06:53seen guys
06:54you know tear
06:55their quads
06:56from doing
06:57nothing
06:57taking a step
06:59who ran down
07:01and dove
07:02into the ring
07:02Vince
07:03Vince McMahon
07:04tore both
07:04of his quads
07:05just running
07:06down to the
07:06ring
07:07you know
07:08and that
07:09happens
07:09like it's
07:09crazy
07:10like
07:10and you
07:11don't have
07:12to do
07:12the acrobatics
07:14it's nice
07:14if you can
07:15but there's
07:16guys that
07:17have made
07:18millions of
07:18dollars in
07:19wrestling that
07:20aren't really
07:21all that
07:21athletic at
07:22all
07:22they're all
07:22just characters
07:23you know
07:24and that's
07:25when as
07:25you get
07:26more into
07:26the business
07:28you realize
07:29that
07:29and when I
07:30was younger
07:30it was all
07:31about moves
07:32and how many
07:32cool moves
07:33can I do
07:33and look at
07:34this cool
07:34move
07:34and look at
07:35that cool
07:35move
07:35and then
07:36you slowly
07:37get rid
07:37of them
07:38as you get
07:38older
07:39like well
07:39that one
07:39never really
07:40looked that
07:41good
07:41anyways
07:42or I
07:42can't do
07:43this one
07:43anymore
07:44or get
07:45rid of that
07:45one
07:45get rid
07:46of this
07:46one
07:46and you
07:46realize
07:47it really
07:47doesn't
07:47make a
07:47difference
07:48once again
07:48it's all
07:49about
07:49character
07:49it's all
07:50about talking
07:50on the
07:51microphone
07:54talk people
07:54into the
07:55seats
07:55and talk
07:56them into
07:56watching the
07:57show
07:57that's more
07:58important than
07:59any acrobatic
08:00move you
08:00could ever
08:01do
08:01when was the
08:02first time
08:02that you
08:03felt that
08:04you really
08:05connected to
08:05the crowd
08:06to the
08:06audience
08:07it's all
08:07levels
08:08right
08:08I remember
08:08the very
08:09first match
08:09I had
08:10October 2nd
08:111990
08:12in Pinoka
08:13Alberta
08:13in the
08:14Pinoka
08:14Moose Hall
08:15it was like
08:16some sort
08:17of like
08:17I don't
08:17know
08:18like a
08:18veterans
08:19club
08:19or something
08:20like that
08:21I remember
08:22the first
08:23time there
08:23was probably
08:24100 people
08:25there
08:25actually
08:26maybe
08:26probably
08:27less
08:28but the
08:28first time
08:30I had
08:30the guy
08:31on the
08:31ground
08:31and I
08:31had his
08:32arm
08:32and I
08:32dropped a
08:33knee on
08:34it
08:34some kids
08:35cheered
08:35and I was
08:36like wow
08:36should I do
08:37it again
08:38yeah
08:38and I was
08:39like yes
08:40this is
08:40amazing
08:42I'm
08:43bigger than
08:43Hulk Hogan
08:44in my
08:44mind's eye
08:45at this
08:45point
08:45you know
08:47and then
08:47getting that
08:48first paycheck
08:49with my
08:49name spelt
08:49wrong
08:50Jericho
08:50with no
08:51H
08:51and opening
08:52up and
08:52there was
08:52a $20
08:53bill
08:53and a $10
08:54bill
08:54and I
08:54was like
08:54wow
08:5530 bucks
08:56man
08:57for 10
08:57minutes
08:57work
08:58this is
08:58amazing
08:59that's
09:00kind of
09:00when I
09:00first
09:01felt that
09:02and then
09:03as you
09:03get bigger
09:04and bigger
09:04and then
09:04going to
09:04Mexico
09:05and connecting
09:06there
09:07and then
09:07going to
09:08you know
09:09each step
09:09up the ladder
09:11you connect
09:12but right
09:13out of the
09:13gate I
09:14realized
09:15you have
09:16to get
09:16the crowd
09:17to
09:17should I
09:18do it
09:18again
09:18yeah
09:19it's okay
09:19so involve
09:21the crowd
09:22and I
09:22wasn't the
09:22biggest guy
09:23but I
09:24could have
09:24the biggest
09:24charisma
09:25and the
09:26biggest
09:26character
09:27and that's
09:28kind of
09:28what I
09:28always focused
09:29on
09:29which enabled
09:30me to
09:31continue to
09:31grow and
09:31build and
09:32become a big
09:33name in the
09:33business
09:33from that
09:34character and
09:35that charisma
09:36did you feel
09:37a shift in
09:37pressure when
09:38you reached
09:38the top
09:39oh big
09:39time
09:39for sure
09:40so what
09:41does that
09:41feel like
09:42when obviously
09:42when you're
09:43when you're
09:44kind of
09:44climbing this
09:45awesome world
09:46famous mountain
09:47and then you
09:48reach the summit
09:48like how do
09:49you how do
09:50you manage
09:50you know
09:51the character
09:51then
09:52well that's
09:52when the
09:53real work
09:53starts
09:54you know
09:54like you
09:55you work
09:56to make it
09:57to the big
09:58leagues
09:58you know
09:58at the time
10:00WCW
10:00and then it
10:01was WWE
10:01and you know
10:02you work hard
10:03to get there
10:03but once you
10:04get there
10:04like okay
10:05now I really
10:05have to
10:07start working
10:08on this
10:08and really
10:09watch the
10:10biggest names
10:11in the business
10:11and how they
10:12do things
10:14how can I
10:15compete with
10:16them
10:16you know
10:17and I always
10:18say that I
10:18was like the
10:19George Harrison
10:20of the
10:20Attitude Era
10:21in that when I
10:22first came in
10:23I was super
10:24popular
10:26people loved
10:27loved me
10:28I was a baby
10:29face we called
10:29it but I was
10:30in the company
10:31with The Rock
10:32and Steve Austin
10:33the biggest
10:34baby faces
10:34in the world
10:35so much
10:36like George
10:36I'm a great
10:37musician
10:37a great
10:38songwriter
10:39but I'm in
10:40a band
10:40with fucking
10:41Paul McCartney
10:42and John Lennon
10:42what can I do
10:43nothing
10:44there's no way
10:45I can get
10:45bigger than them
10:47so I turned
10:48bad guy
10:49turned heel
10:49and that's when
10:50I really started
10:51getting to the
10:51next level
10:52because now
10:52I could be a
10:52foil for The Rock
10:54and a foil
10:54for Steve Austin
10:55and I could go
10:56toe to toe
10:57with them
10:57on the microphone
10:58as a bad guy
10:59so every dragon
11:01slayer needs
11:02a good dragon
11:03to slay
11:04and that's what
11:05I was for those
11:05guys
11:06and that's when
11:06I really started
11:08making it to the
11:09next level
11:09as a main event
11:10guy
11:11being the foil
11:12for The Rock
11:13and a foil
11:13for Stone Cold
11:14you beat them
11:15both in the same
11:15night
11:16well yeah
11:17that's the famous
11:18night
11:19but all that's
11:20part of the story
11:21sure I beat them
11:22both in the same
11:23night
11:23good for me
11:24but now
11:24now I have
11:25to you know
11:26really lock
11:27into the next
11:28step
11:29because now
11:29when you're
11:29on the top
11:30of the mountain
11:31everyone's
11:32trying to knock
11:33you off
11:33in wrestling
11:35you're basically
11:36performing for an
11:37audience of one
11:38who is the
11:39the boss
11:40if it's Vince
11:40McMahon
11:41or now it's
11:41Triple H
11:42or if it's
11:42Tony Khan
11:43and AEW
11:43whoever it may be
11:45Eric Bischoff
11:45and WCW
11:46you have to
11:47impress your boss
11:48and if your boss
11:49likes you
11:49you will get
11:50a bigger push
11:51if he doesn't
11:52like you
11:52it doesn't matter
11:53if 10,000 fans
11:54are cheering
11:55your name
11:55they might
11:56listen a bit
11:56but if they
11:57don't like you
11:57they'll bring
11:58you down
11:58so when you
11:59get to that
12:00top top level
12:01as the champion
12:02you really
12:03have to make
12:04no mistakes
12:04and you really
12:05have to lock
12:06in
12:06you know
12:07and when I
12:07beat the
12:07Rock and Stone
12:08Cold Steve
12:09Austin the same
12:09night
12:10I wasn't really
12:10ready to be
12:11the top top
12:12guy
12:12it was years
12:13after when I
12:14finally locked
12:15in 2008
12:162009
12:16that's when I
12:17became the
12:19Chris Jericho
12:20that you're
12:20talking to now
12:21a guy who
12:22knows what
12:23he's doing
12:23in all aspects
12:24total confidence
12:26total pro
12:27I wasn't that
12:28at that point
12:29in time
12:29in 2001
12:30when I was
12:30the disputed
12:31champion
12:31but it's all
12:32part of the
12:32growing process
12:33and learning
12:34and building
12:34my favorite
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12:37chocolate peanut
12:37butter
12:38and here it
12:39is now
12:40it's delicious
12:41it's packed
12:42full of protein
12:4235 grams
12:44to say I'm
12:45addicted might
12:45be a bit strong
12:46but I do
12:46really love them
12:47and I have them
12:47every single
12:48day
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12:52and proper
12:52nutrition
12:53from quite a
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12:55feeling really
12:57depleted and
12:57starving and
12:58hungry
12:58it's often
12:59kind of too
13:00late
13:00like it's going
13:01to affect
13:01your performance
13:02so it's quite
13:02important to
13:03like remain
13:04fueled throughout
13:05the day with
13:05stuff where you
13:06know you're
13:06getting good
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13:07you know
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13:43recovery starts
13:43with sleep
13:44between my
13:45workouts
13:45running a
13:46business
13:46and keeping
13:46up with the
13:47kids
13:47I used to
13:48wake up
13:48feeling completely
13:49wiped out
13:49but since I
13:50started using
13:508 sleep
13:51everything has
13:52changed
13:52I've gained
13:53around an
13:54extra hour
13:54of deep
13:54sleep every
13:55night
13:55and it's
13:56made a
13:56massive
13:56difference
13:57my recovery
13:57feels faster
13:58my energy
13:59is more
13:59consistent
14:00throughout
14:00the day
14:00and mornings
14:01with the
14:01kids feel
14:02actually
14:02manageable
14:03even in
14:04the gym
14:04I'm seeing
14:04the payoff
14:05last week
14:05I hit a new
14:06personal best
14:07and I genuinely
14:08believe that
14:08extra deep
14:09sleep is what
14:09is allowing my
14:10body to perform
14:11at this level
14:11their new
14:12pod 5 smart
14:13mattress cover
14:14keeps you at
14:15the perfect
14:15temperature all
14:16night
14:16and if you
14:17share a bed
14:17you can have
14:18different settings
14:18for each side
14:19it even learns
14:20how you sleep
14:21adjusting temperature
14:22elevation
14:22and wake up
14:23time automatically
14:24up to an
14:25extra hour of
14:26quality sleep
14:26every night
14:27and a 34%
14:28boost in energy
14:29the next day
14:29it's like an
14:30extra shot of
14:31espresso
14:31without the
14:32espresso
14:32head to
14:338sleep.com
14:34forward slash
14:34untapped
14:35and use code
14:35untapped
14:36for up to
14:37350 pounds
14:38off
14:38the pod 5
14:40ultra
14:40how do
14:41you separate
14:43the show
14:44from reality
14:45because obviously
14:46if you guys
14:48are doing your
14:48job properly
14:49there's
14:50some degree
14:52of actual
14:52animosity
14:53in the ring
14:54and I'm
14:55assuming some
14:56of that
14:56filters into
14:57real life
14:58I mean when
14:59you're at that
15:00level
15:01you're pretty
15:02professional
15:02because it's
15:03a million dollar
15:04business
15:04well now it's
15:04a billion dollar
15:05business
15:07but there
15:07are times
15:08when you
15:08might get
15:09a little bit
15:09angry
15:09at each
15:10other
15:11you know
15:13and I
15:13think sometimes
15:14that leads
15:14to better
15:15performances
15:15you know
15:16it's like
15:16if you don't
15:16like your
15:17co-star
15:18on a movie
15:19but to
15:20hell if I'm
15:21gonna let
15:21him out
15:21act me
15:21I'm gonna
15:22put on
15:22the best
15:22performance
15:23of my
15:23life
15:23to show
15:24this guy
15:25that you
15:26know
15:26he's not
15:27better than
15:27me
15:27so
15:28not to
15:29get into
15:29specifics
15:29but there
15:29was a
15:30few times
15:30when that
15:31happened
15:31you know
15:32and even
15:33more from
15:33a character
15:34standpoint
15:34like in
15:362008
15:37when I
15:37was the
15:38suit and
15:38tie
15:38Jericho
15:39I was
15:40the most
15:41hated guy
15:42in the
15:42business
15:43and not
15:44just for
15:45a month
15:46or two
15:46months
15:46I'm talking
15:46for like
15:47two years
15:47and that's
15:48hard
15:49because
15:49it's a lot
15:51easier
15:51to make
15:52people
15:53hate you
15:54than it is
15:55to make
15:56them like
15:56you
15:56but once
15:57they start
15:58hating you
15:59then they
16:00automatically
16:01start liking
16:01you more
16:02it's like a
16:02villain in a
16:03movie like
16:03Darth Vader
16:05or Heath
16:06Ledger
16:07as the
16:07Joker
16:07or the
16:08Terminator
16:09like think
16:10about how
16:10scary the
16:11Terminator
16:11was in
16:12the first
16:13movie
16:13but he's
16:14so entertaining
16:15and popular
16:16in the second
16:16movie he's
16:17the biggest
16:17good guy
16:17in town
16:18right
16:18that's what
16:19happens
16:19people start
16:20liking you
16:20so it's
16:21hard to
16:21have people
16:22stay hating
16:23you
16:23but I also
16:24was dropping
16:25into this
16:26character like
16:27a method
16:27actor would
16:28to where it
16:29was affecting
16:29me you know
16:30in real
16:31life like I
16:32was in a
16:33real dark
16:33place because
16:34that's what my
16:35character was
16:36like just a
16:36real diabolical
16:39megalomaniac
16:41asshole
16:41essentially and
16:42it's hard to
16:43kind of step
16:43out of that
16:44sometimes so it
16:45was a real
16:45interesting like I
16:46could never do
16:47that now at this
16:48stage of my life
16:49but at the time
16:50I was super
16:51method like I
16:52can remember
16:53getting into an
16:54elevator with
16:55with a dad and
16:56his son and
16:57they were fans
16:58and we were close
16:59to the arena and
17:01and I wouldn't
17:01look at them
17:02and they're
17:03like hey can
17:03you sign my
17:04autograph and
17:04ignore them
17:05the guy got
17:06increasingly angry
17:07as we were in
17:07the cell like
17:08you're not gonna
17:08look at me
17:09like come on
17:09you're not gonna
17:09look at me
17:10some kind of
17:10asshole like
17:11and now they
17:12hate me for
17:13real but that's
17:14what I want
17:15because I don't
17:15want to sign an
17:16autograph for
17:17them and then
17:18they go to the
17:18arena and 10,000
17:20people are booing
17:21me but they're
17:21like oh he's
17:22really a nice
17:22guy and then
17:23tell you know
17:2410 people in
17:24their row and
17:25that's now 10
17:25people who like
17:26me because I'm a
17:27nice guy because
17:27I want the guy to
17:28be even more
17:29so like F you
17:30and blah blah
17:30blah and that's
17:31why I never had
17:32any merch at the
17:33time that I
17:34forbade the WWE
17:35to make any
17:35Chris Jericho
17:36merch why would I
17:37want someone
17:38wearing my shirt
17:38I want everyone
17:40to hate me I'll
17:41make my money
17:42main eventing
17:43pay-per-views
17:44against the good
17:45guys I'm not
17:46worried about
17:47selling t-shirts
17:48so I had this
17:48kind of real
17:49all-encompassing
17:51evil attitude and
17:53sometimes that
17:53rubs off in your
17:55real life but that
17:56was like I said
17:56that was years ago
17:58and I was really
17:59dropped in to be
18:00this angry person
18:01because it's all
18:01acting you're playing
18:02a character right
18:03I love that I
18:04think it's really
18:04fascinating yeah
18:05you must get some
18:06people that just
18:07switch off right I
18:08mean you by the
18:09sounds of things
18:10took it at that
18:12point at that
18:13point in time I
18:14did yeah yeah
18:14exactly to where
18:15people attack me on
18:16the street like a
18:17couple times and
18:19that's like you know
18:20I was cool at the
18:21time but I
18:21wouldn't want that
18:22now but for
18:23whatever reason at
18:23this point in time I
18:24was just super
18:25locked in but once
18:26again that was a
18:27two-year period
18:28where I was you
18:29know a champ the
18:30champion in the
18:31main event you
18:32know wrestling all
18:33the good guys and
18:34when somebody beat
18:35me it was a big
18:36deal to kind of
18:37take the title from
18:39the evil Chris
18:39Jericho you know
18:40did the people who
18:41attacked you in the
18:42street end up in a
18:42skip somewhere or
18:43they did not because
18:44you know you can't
18:45go too there was a
18:46few fights you can
18:47find them on YouTube
18:48I was fighting fans
18:49in the streets but
18:51yeah crazy time
18:53man you're still
18:53going strong in your
18:5450s yeah you know
18:57what is your routine
18:58like in order to
18:59say strong fit
19:00healthy injury free
19:02you know what what
19:03is what does a
19:04workout look like for
19:05you nowadays well I
19:06just about a year ago
19:09I started fasting and
19:13not just for like 12
19:14hours I'm talking like
19:14like 36 hours my
19:16brother yeah but it
19:17works man it works and
19:19after a while you just
19:21get used to it it's not
19:22even a big deal like I'm
19:23starving after three
19:24hours like dude stop
19:25you're not starving
19:25you can literally live
19:26three weeks without
19:27food you're fine it
19:29just makes me realize
19:30how much extra food I
19:32was eating for no
19:33reason maybe out of
19:34habit more than
19:35anything but then I
19:36started seeing the
19:37results from it I also
19:39started planking so I
19:42do that twice a day for
19:43seven and a half
19:44minutes that's where I
19:44got up to I like that
19:45seven and a half minutes
19:46in the morning at night
19:47and I started lifting
19:48weights again which I
19:49hadn't done I was doing
19:49a lot of kickboxing and
19:51bicycling and that
19:52sort of thing but I
19:52stopped that and
19:53started lifting weights
19:54again so I think as
19:55you get older you just
19:56have to do what works
19:57for you because there's
19:58so many diets and
20:00workouts and try this
20:02and do that and you
20:02should try this just do
20:04what feels right try
20:05different things and
20:07and stick with it and
20:08so for me that's kind
20:09of where I'm at here at
20:1155 I'm probably in
20:12better shape than I was
20:13when I was 45 I know
20:14I'm in better shape than
20:15I was a year ago yeah
20:17from today I see a
20:18picture from like even
20:19just last year you can
20:20see the difference like
20:20in my face and in my
20:21body and all that sort
20:22of thing especially
20:24when you're on the
20:25road like it's it's
20:26easy to get out of
20:27shape when you're on
20:28tour but it's also
20:29easy to stay in shape
20:31when you're on tour
20:31because there's a lot
20:32of downtime so I
20:33started going to the
20:35gym here I've been
20:36probably almost every
20:37day to pure gym which
20:39you guys have there's a
20:40plug and you get your
20:41little pin code and
20:43it's like a pod it's
20:44like and you get in and
20:46it closes and there's a
20:47period of time for a
20:48second or two when
20:50you're stuck in this pod I'm
20:51like I hope the other
20:52side opens and it
20:53does and then you're
20:54into the beautiful world
20:55of the gym but you also
20:56have to put the code into
20:57escape as well so but
21:00it's cool because it
21:01gives me motivation it
21:04gives me something to do
21:05rather than just hanging
21:05out on the bus on the
21:06tour bus doing nothing
21:07and you feel good about
21:09it you know and then I
21:10do my two planks and
21:11then we do a 90 minute
21:12show with a lot of energy
21:14at that as well so it's
21:15a good tour and it's a
21:17good time to really stay
21:19in shape now the other
21:20side is you could just
21:20sit in the bus all day
21:21you could eat pizza
21:22every night you could do
21:23nothing and you gain
21:24weight so there's you
21:25can make your choice
21:27either take this path or
21:29take that path and it's
21:30not too hard once you get
21:31motivated mentally is the
21:33most important thing about
21:34physical fitness you have
21:35to want it here and then
21:37you'll you'll get it here
21:38yeah I do I do a 36 40
21:40hour fast once a month
21:42type thing I see it as a
21:43nice kind of equivalent to
21:44a factory reset yeah you
21:46know and uh no it
21:48certainly feels good I
21:49find that if you're like if
21:50you're in like a running
21:51block and you're doing a
21:52lot of running it's quite
21:53difficult to to do the
21:54fasting as well uh you
21:55know you need to keep
21:56everything kind of fueled I
21:57suppose yeah but but you
21:59know off off the back of a
22:00holiday or something good
22:01few days of fasting great
22:02um the 90s wrestling scene
22:05was was pretty famous for
22:07um you know excess partying
22:11boozing um how did that
22:12affect you at the time I
22:14mean it was more of an 80s
22:16thing right and it bled into
22:17the 90s but I never got
22:19into drugs never been a
22:20drug guy uh drink you know
22:23but never excessively I
22:24never had to go to rehab
22:25or anything like that now
22:26sometimes I have to watch
22:28myself and tone down I
22:29probably drink more than I
22:30should but I never got into
22:32pills I never got into hard
22:34drugs it just was never my
22:36thing so even though I've
22:37had a lot of friends that
22:39have died over the years from
22:41excessive drug use especially
22:44pills there was a lot of
22:45pills back in the 90s that
22:47was kind of probably the
22:48most prevalent issue
22:50well ecstasy or pain
22:51prescription oxycontin you
22:52know that sort of they have
22:53pain pills taking like 50
22:56pain pills a day when you're
22:58probably just supposed to
22:59take one every four hours
23:01you know what I mean like
23:02it was that's the type of
23:03excessiveness that you can
23:04see um also there was a lot
23:06of steroids back in the day
23:08I've never got into that I
23:08mean dabbled into it
23:09everybody kind of did but
23:10never never focused my whole
23:12life around it um so I was
23:14pretty lucky in that
23:15respect I just never saw
23:18the the pros of of of
23:21doing drugs I guess and
23:23that kind of helped me a lot
23:24over the years to still be
23:27able to to stay you know as
23:30physically fit as I am I
23:32guess you know um yeah never
23:35had those issues which I was
23:37pretty lucky because a lot of
23:38guys I a lot a lot a lot a lot
23:41of the guys did so I kind of
23:42escaped that route do you
23:44see a big difference in
23:45today's wrestling culture than
23:46big time what you absolutely
23:47absolutely it's a whole shift
23:49now um for the better maybe
23:52not quite as fun as it used to
23:53be and that guys don't really
23:55do as much now they're they're
23:56much more stay in after the
23:59show um and it's all because
24:01you can watch any movie on your
24:04phone or you can play any video
24:05game on your tablet or you know
24:08you I think before in the 90s
24:11there's more of just boredom
24:12there's nothing to do so let's
24:14go out and find some action and
24:15you know we're in Shreveport
24:17Louisiana where's the hot club
24:18go hang out there till three in
24:20the morning um there's not as
24:22much of that now which is like I
24:24said it's it's it's for the
24:25better for the health of
24:26everybody probably just not as
24:28much fun as it used to be but
24:30also in the long run benefits all
24:32of us you've constantly reinvented
24:34yourself over the course of your
24:36career what's the secret to
24:37staying motivated in a world that
24:40wants you to stay the same
24:41uh exactly that I like doing the
24:44opposite of what people expect
24:47um and it does it's hard it's it's
24:51you're taking a chance in kind of
24:54not turning your back on your fan
24:56base but you know give the people
24:58what they want agreed but you also
25:00have to satisfy yourself creatively
25:02it's all based around David Bowie
25:05that's one of my biggest
25:06inspirations when it comes to that
25:08always reinvented himself you could
25:11go to a Halloween party and see 10
25:14people dressed as David Bowie but in
25:16different versions and you would know
25:17them all I would also venture to say
25:20you could go to a Halloween party and
25:22see Chris Jericho costumes different
25:25ones and and know each one if you're a
25:27fan of the work that I've done there
25:29was a shirt that came out a few years
25:30ago I think it was like 18 Chris
25:33Jericho faces and they're all were
25:34different I was like oh that's pretty
25:35cool I kind of like that and that to
25:38me was always always important I never
25:41want to be a nostalgia act and it's
25:44like oh you know people still chant Y2J
25:46which is great I love the fact that you
25:48chant that but that was 20 years ago you
25:51know what I mean like there's a lot
25:52other things you just made the list was
25:5510 years ago now very short period of
25:58time people love that I could say you
26:01just made the list for the rest of my
26:02career or I could just leave it and let
26:04it stay there because that's where it
26:07should be and it's I'm glad that people
26:08love it but let's create some new things
26:11and let me write some new songs so to
26:13speak and I think that's part of having
26:15longevity is you have to have different
26:17eras and some people like this version
26:21some people like that version some people
26:23hate this version some people hate that
26:25version but that's all part of it like
26:27like if you listen to any band that's
26:30had longevity like I don't know Iron
26:33Maiden 50 years of Iron Maiden not
26:35every Iron Maiden album is the is my
26:37favorite some I don't like at all but
26:39that's okay that's all part of the body
26:42of work where it's like this is classic
26:44this one's a little bit sketchy I love
26:46this one I didn't like that one I love
26:48this tour I love this look that's kind
26:50of what you have to do to have longevity
26:54in this business I love that and it's an
26:56important lesson yeah can you take me
26:59through the creativity in the ring and
27:00how it works so when you take two top
27:03level wrestlers so yourself and say
27:06Triple H for the sake of it how much do
27:10you already know is there a beginning in
27:12an end and do you do like and do you
27:14communicate in the ring to each other so
27:16so it's interesting and it's not
27:18something you could really explain in
27:19two minutes or five minutes but like
27:22playing with with with a jazz band for
27:24example you're just improv comedy you're
27:27working together and basically making it
27:29up as you go along you would know the
27:31finish of the match okay I'm winning
27:33you're losing but other than that you
27:35would just go in the ring and just do it
27:36just talk to each other and come up with
27:38stuff and listen to how the crowd is
27:40reacting and kind of that would would
27:44decide what you were doing in the ring
27:47on how the crowd was reacting and then as
27:50the years progressed you basically come up
27:53with the entire match in the back but
27:56it's it's an open canvas you're an
27:58artist you start with nothing and much
28:00like a painter would paint this like
28:03okay what do you want to paint a picture
28:04of a cow okay here's the painting of the
28:07cow it's amazing same thing what do you
28:09what picture are we painting well
28:10Spencer's winning and Chris is losing but
28:12the idea is that you you are fighting
28:15from underneath but you almost win but
28:17then you don't because three months from
28:20now you're gonna finally win okay great
28:22then let's paint that picture so that's
28:24kind of how it is what is it that we want
28:26to do what do we want to accomplish and
28:28what story are we telling to lead to the
28:31next week because it's a weekly a weekly
28:36segmented episodic television show right
28:38so that's kind of what it is it one thing
28:41usually always leads to the next and once
28:44you find out what the overall story is that's
28:47how you put together the match basically is
28:50the easiest way I can describe it and then
28:52once you know what you want to accomplish
28:54with the match then you get into the
28:56details okay I'll give you a clothesline
28:57and then you duck this one and then you
29:00give me a drop kick and I go to the floor
29:01and you follow me and you kind of come
29:03with with the storyline of the match but
29:05the most important part is always the
29:07finish of the match which leads to the
29:10next step of where you want to go for the
29:13future shows you once said you have to
29:16have ideas because nobody's going to have
29:17them for you how important is that mindset
29:20to success not just in wrestling well I mean
29:23when you're any business you have to
29:25collaborate right and this is show business
29:28that I've been in all aspects of aspects of
29:31it so yeah you have to have your own ideas
29:32but you also have to be willing to
29:34collaborate with other creative people if
29:37you can find those creative people to
29:38collaborate with that's where you come up
29:39with some really great ideas as well so
29:42so I've always been open to listen I have
29:44a lot of ideas but please give me other
29:47ones whether it's for wrestling or whether
29:49it's for Fozzy or whether it's you know I
29:52have a cruise that we do every year my
29:54podcast the acting roles that I have like
29:58give me some feedback and let's work on
30:00something here to create something even
30:02better and that's very important you have
30:04to let the pros be pros and work with
30:08people like I have no idea for example
30:11songwriting I used to write all the lyrics
30:13for Fozzy because I'm the singer and I
30:14must write the lyrics because that's just
30:16the way it is and then we started
30:18collaborating with a few people that are
30:19just much better lyric writers than I am
30:21you know what who cares who wrote the
30:22lyrics I have to sing them anyways I
30:25didn't write a lyric for Judas that's
30:26got nothing to do with me except for I'm
30:28the singer of the band who sang Judas it's
30:30our song it's my song it's his songs
30:32but that's what you do I could have been a
30:34I must write the lyrics for Judas and I'm
30:37not going to call it that because I didn't
30:38write I'm going to call it blue shirt
30:40instead Nick Ben whatever that may be
30:43Nick Ben in my mind might probably would
30:45not have worked as much back off a bit
30:48and work with people collaborate with
30:52other creative geniuses and let's create
30:54some cool shit that's what it's all about
30:57I'm one of those people who used to think
30:59that I knew my body quite well until I
31:01started using whoop I began to see
31:03exactly where I was over training
31:05under recovering and basically sabotaging
31:07my own progress without realizing it
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32:00description so here's a cheeky confession
32:02i've never actually been to a world cup
32:05football match but 2026 feels a bit
32:07different it's happening in seattle which
32:10is one of my favorite places in the world
32:11seattle has this amazing energy feels
32:14very untapped you can wake up with a cup
32:16of legitimately some of the best coffee
32:18you've ever had by the afternoon you're
32:19in the stadium watching one of the
32:21biggest football tournaments on the
32:22planet we only do partnerships on untapped
32:24that i'm genuinely interested in and
32:26passionate about and that usually is in
32:29the world of sport and optimization so
32:30this might not be the kind of thing that
32:32you're used to hearing from us but i
32:34truly think that seattle is one of those
32:36places that everyone should visit if they
32:37get the opportunity so if you're even
32:39thinking of heading out for the world cup
32:41make seattle top of the list discover
32:43more at visit seattle.org it feels like
32:47in your creative process there's always
32:49um something or someone to bounce off so
32:52in the ring there's the audience when
32:54you're performing with fozzy there's the
32:57crowds um when you're in the ring you've
33:00got the person that you're wrestling
33:01um some of these storylines i'm assuming
33:04need to carry on even when it's just you
33:06doing the work um so how do you get
33:08round that creatively to say you're you're
33:11the only one there when you are telling
33:14a story in wrestling and i like long-term
33:17stories my favorite ones have always been
33:19ones that last for months and you have to
33:21be creative so not you don't have to be on
33:25the show every week both guys don't have
33:27to be on the show every week there's
33:28always a way to tell a story that
33:31elongates it i i would rather make things
33:34go longer than shorter and i always love
33:37wrestling fans especially modern day ones
33:39who just want to know the answer right
33:41now give us the answer if i'm watching
33:43saving private ryan it's three hours long
33:45it's a long movie you better be watching
33:48and paying attention and at the end of that
33:51three hours then you can decide if you
33:53like it or not an hour and a half in if i
33:55go this movie they haven't even found
33:58ryan yet this movie sucks this is stupid
34:01this is too long i hear it every day from
34:05wrestling fans my thing is shut the fuck up
34:08and let me tell my story when it's done
34:10if it takes a year tough luck this show is
34:14going on for 50 years it doesn't have to
34:17end in a week or two weeks or three weeks
34:19so sometimes a good way to do that is take
34:22another person take to take your opponent
34:25out for a while and continue the story and
34:28take a couple detours but it still leads
34:29back to the overarching story that to me is
34:32the brilliance of pro wrestling we can tell
34:35any story we want and we can make it go as
34:38long as we want or as short as we want i
34:40did a feud with mjf and aw those 366 days
34:43literally a year and a day there were people
34:47like this feud is too long go to why go to
34:49something else why what else you got going on
34:52that was the thing with sean michaels and i
34:53they wanted it to be a one month thing and when
34:56we like what do you have coming up nothing
34:59what do you have coming up sean nothing well
35:01then why are we ending this in a month let's
35:03keep going we did seven eight nine months
35:05ended up being one of the greatest stories
35:07in in in wwe history i'm not saying that
35:09from an egotistical standpoint it's true
35:11that to me is is is the brilliance of
35:14wrestling so sometimes to do that take one
35:16of the the the components out and continue
35:19forward and then bring it back around again
35:22and then change it a bit and go over here
35:24and go over then suddenly you get to the
35:25top of the mountain end of the story that's
35:27when you know it's time to finish it until
35:29then just sit back and enjoy the show it's
35:33a show it's show business it's not real
35:37it's like watching your favorite tv series
35:39i was literally about to say it sounds a
35:40bit like made in chelsea there you go
35:43same thing yeah i know what made i know
35:46what made in chelsea is you know it's like
35:47game of thrones like we watch five seasons
35:49or six seasons of game of thrones and it's
35:51like it ends and you either like the whole
35:53show or you don't but you sure are
35:55entertained during those six years of
35:58watching and all the different storylines
35:59that's what wrestling is do you have any
36:01memories of spencer on made in chelsea
36:05i love episode five when he went did
36:09that thing with those guys it was amazing
36:11that's the one just got kicked off the
36:12show but you didn't that was so good yeah
36:14yeah i know thanks man it's amazing
36:16there's a few times where we talk about
36:17kind of creativity from different spaces
36:19kind of changing wrestling am i right that
36:21you spent some time with the groundlings
36:23in some of your time off well so so when i
36:27left uh the wwe in 2005 i'd kind of had
36:32enough of wrestling for a while i went and
36:34studied acting and i went and essentially
36:37joined the groundlings which is probably
36:39one of the most famous improv troops in
36:43the united states and what i learned from
36:47both of them is how to commit to a
36:49character that's where we went to this
36:50evil jericho that i was talking about
36:53earlier improv was really beneficial because
36:56you're learning to work with each other
36:59with nothing you know you're going out to
37:02on stage uh spencer is a ventriloquist and
37:07chris is the ventriloquist dummy and you're
37:10talking about rainbows and you're going out
37:13there and just doing it and i really learned
37:15a lot about how once again to connect with
37:18an audience and how to commit to a a character
37:22or a bit and how to play it straight because
37:25you can't play it like waka waka like it's
37:27it's you can't play it like goofy comedy you
37:30got to play it straight and that's something
37:32that's been very beneficial for for for years
37:35for me anything i do in wrestling i always
37:38say we play it straight because even if it's
37:39the most ridiculous concept like the list for
37:42example i'm putting you on the list it's
37:44like who cares well if you play it straight
37:47like putting you on this list is the worst
37:50thing you could ever have and i'm gonna do
37:52it no no no no you just made the list
37:55that makes it cool because you're committing
37:58to it and that all came from from groundlings
38:01uh and and from the acting lessons that i took
38:04and really studying the the concept of what
38:06acting is when you look at kind of wrestling
38:08acting singing performing what part of
38:11performance is your favorite i think just
38:13just the once again just connecting with
38:15the crowd and just the the electricity that
38:19you experience in front of a live audience
38:22now i've been doing a lot of more acting
38:24recently which i love as well it's not the
38:26same thing because there's no live audience
38:28and now you take take two and take three and
38:30take four and take five and you have to the
38:32same intensity and energy for every take
38:34that's not easy to do either but also you
38:37can really focus in and lock it in and try
38:39different things and get it right when
38:41when you're live you get one chance that's
38:43it one chance if you mess it up well you
38:46better figure out a way to to to fix that
38:48because here you go like we say once the
38:50train leaves the station you go and that's
38:54the same whether it's rock and roll or
38:55whether you're wrestling or whether you're
38:56a stand-up comedian or anything that you're
38:59doing in front of an audience you get one
39:01chance you got to make it work so if you
39:03can do that that also benefits you when
39:06you're filming because um like i say for
39:08wrestling if you're a top level main event
39:11performer in the wrestling business it's
39:13show business boot camp you're learning a
39:16little bit of everything live audience
39:18drama comedy um how to come up with stuff
39:21instantly how to learn you learn your
39:23lines quick here's here's a script you got
39:2510 minutes before you go live like oh my
39:27gosh like i gotta figure this out you
39:28better figure so that's happened before so
39:31i'm never nervous in front of a live crowd
39:34i'm never nervous like you know coming
39:36here today people like what are we
39:38talking about what are you like i don't
39:39talk whatever about what you want like
39:40whatever man like we'll we'll make it
39:42work that really benefits when you do
39:46more things in in the entertainment world
39:48i've seen people i have a podcast for 13
39:50years i've had people come on the show
39:52that don't even really talk like you do
39:57know the concept when you go on a talk
39:59show is you have to talk you have to tell
40:02stories it's kind of what the concept of
40:04it is so many people don't do that or
40:07don't know how to do that or get nervous
40:08like you don't have to ever worry about
40:11that not just you but anybody in general
40:13i'm i've got it i'm ready here we go
40:15let's rock let's do it come on let's let's
40:17let's make it happen that all comes from
40:19being in front of a live audience and
40:20being very uh adept at knowing how to just
40:23go with the flow man that's how you do it
40:24i also don't worry about anything you can't
40:27sorry you can't know what you're saying
40:29yeah like when we're one of the secrets
40:32why talk is jericho my podcast has been
40:35so successful for 13 years it's like you
40:37have some notes you've been glancing at
40:39them you're you're a great interviewer i
40:41never have notes i have nothing if you if i
40:44was interviewing you i'd walk in here with
40:45nothing you know why because if i met you
40:48at a bar and we start talking i wouldn't
40:50pull out a list of questions go so tell me
40:53about that you would just be talking oh
40:55that's interesting that's cool let's talk
40:57about this what you mentioned something
40:58very cool there let's go back and circle
41:00back to this that's what it's all about
41:02we're having a conversation and that's
41:04why it works you know and that's kind of
41:06what people enjoy watching as well and
41:09hearing fly on the wall hearing stories
41:12that they never heard before that's what
41:14you want to draw out of people when you
41:16interview them and once again all of this
41:18comes all the skills that i have i can't
41:21fix your wiring if your car is not
41:24working i don't know how to do that like
41:26check the oil man like i don't know i
41:28can't build anything i can't fix
41:31anything but if you want to be
41:33entertained i'm your guy that's my skill
41:36that's all i got but i think it's enough
41:38to make it work
41:39simon i won't be needing these anymore
41:41a bit late for that of course
41:45no but but but that's the serious when
41:48you get to the point where you don't
41:49any need any notes
41:50obviously you know the background of
41:51somebody sure that's cool like i would
41:54love to have you on my show because i
41:55know a lot about stuff that you've done
41:57but i don't know enough to really know
41:58like tell me some of these things
42:00that's the exciting part
42:02i'd be delighted to join you yes yes all
42:05right all right what would be your
42:08mount rushmore
42:10of the greatest opponents you've ever
42:12faced over the course of your career
42:14if you're talking my mount rushmore
42:16um you know and there's there's there's
42:19the certain names that everybody would
42:21pick so i'll go opposite
42:23the three
42:25for me the greatest of all time is sean
42:27michaels
42:28that's that's the best for what i like
42:30in wrestling and wrestling it's all
42:31subjective who's the greatest of all
42:32time well what do you like or don't
42:34like
42:34sean to me is was the best from a from
42:36an athletic standpoint from a
42:37character standpoint
42:38from a storyline standpoint um i don't
42:41think it gets much better than sean
42:43and i was a huge fan of his when i was
42:45a teenager i was a huge fan of ricky
42:47steamboat huge influence on me a huge
42:51fan of owen hart who i was so into and
42:56i think it's so underrated because he
42:57passed away at such an early age um and
43:01i'd also go with the british bulldogs i'll
43:03put davy boy smith and and dynamite kid
43:05on there so i've those are my mount
43:07rushmore's of inspirations that i had when
43:10i was starting to watch wrestling that i
43:12still think about to this day of like
43:14my golden era of wrestling the guys
43:16that i love to watch were those ones
43:19there if you're talking about mount
43:20rushmore of opponents that i've had
43:22i'll put sean michaels on there i will
43:26put who else would i put on there that
43:28had great feuds with and great angles
43:30with i think moxley would be in there
43:33from our our work that we did in aw and
43:35in wb when he was dean ambrose i loved
43:37working with him great intensity um i had
43:42great chemistry with the rock it was very
43:44short because he left to do movies very
43:46early on but when we worked together for
43:48about a year in the early 2000s we never
43:50had a bad match or a bad angle or a bad
43:52promo segment we were perfect foils for
43:55each other and then i think maybe kenny
43:57omega i'd put on that we never had the same
43:59thing we we changed the business when we
44:01had our match at the tokyo dome which at
44:03the time was crazy because nobody ever
44:06thought it would happen we're both from
44:07the same small town in canada called
44:09winnipeg and we pretty much packed the
44:12tokyo dome and the digital streaming was
44:16through the roof for new japan pro wrestling
44:18which then led to tony khan seeing and
44:21deciding that he could form a w because
44:23there was so much demand for wrestling
44:25that was not wwe so those are my four
44:28from an opponent's standpoint has winning
44:30always been important to you it depends
44:32what your definition of winning is um i
44:35think what's always been important to me
44:37is focusing on something and really going
44:41for it if it's a dream let's say following
44:43your dreams following your passions and
44:46not listening to other people when they
44:47tell you you can't do it because when i was
44:50a kid so many people told me oh you can't
44:52be a wrestler you're too small or you can't
44:53get into music it's impossible to to make
44:56it or you can't do this you can't do that
44:57why do you care what i'm doing go worry
45:00about your own shit and let me let me
45:02focus on it and if i believe in myself
45:04and think i can really make it happen
45:05then i'll go make it happen so that's my
45:08version of winning uh even if it doesn't
45:11work that's not a failure if you try
45:13something and give it your all and it
45:15doesn't pan out that's still a win it's
45:18not winning if you don't try it and
45:20just because oh it's too hard and people
45:23use no i wrote a book called no is a
45:25four-letter word isn't that it's almost a
45:26curse word they use no in any way shape
45:29or form no no no no like why don't tell
45:32me why it can't happen tell me how we can
45:34make it work all of the people on my team
45:37know that's my motto i don't want to hear
45:39no how can we make it work how can we make
45:41it happen and that's a win where do you
45:43think you learned this positive mentality
45:45from i think from uh so my father played
45:48in the nhl which is the the national hockey
45:51league um in the states uh for 10 years
45:55which is a very long career um but he
45:58started when he was you know just a kid
46:00and and kind of had this impossible dream
46:03to make it into the nhl back when there
46:05was only six teams so there was only you
46:08know 150 people playing in the nhl at the
46:11time and he made it and i think that's
46:13kind of where that came from he's always
46:15been a very positive guy so even when i
46:18had this seemingly you know impossible
46:20dream of wanting to get into wrestling he
46:22never second guessed it he was always like
46:24well let's try and figure it out and i think
46:26because he did this you know getting called
46:30up from small town winnipeg canada to boston
46:32to play on the boston bruins when he was like
46:3517 years old that doesn't happen it still
46:38doesn't happen but it did for him so i think
46:40because he was able to make it work he was
46:42always really positive behind me and that
46:44kind of rubbed off to like well just go
46:47for it like why not go give it a try and
46:50see how how how it works out i think maybe
46:52that's where that all came from i love that
46:54having that kind of positive uh example of
46:59success or whatever that might mean to you
47:01within your own family right is is a really
47:04interesting thing and then be able to see
47:05yeah i have three kids and and they're all
47:08doing their own thing and that's like
47:10whatever you want to do just find a passion
47:12and go do it like my son for example
47:15couldn't catch on anything school wasn't
47:17for him and he worked in a restaurant for a
47:19while wasn't for him but he's always been
47:21obsessed with the ocean and fishing and the
47:23sea and he just got a job cleaning barnacles
47:26off the bottom of yachts in miami which
47:29means you have to scuba dive under the boat
47:30and clean these barnacles off which is like
47:33kind of a crazy job but he loves it and i'm
47:36like you know what fine be the be the
47:37greatest barnacle buster in the world and
47:40then and then and then buy the business
47:42and then become the boss right but now he's
47:44under the damn boats but loving it and i'm
47:47like that's that's great like that is what
47:49he's into what a strange thing but do it
47:54man become the best barnacle cleaner in the
47:55world and and that will lead to other
47:57things so it all depends on what your
47:59passion is and you have to find that for
48:01anybody um in the world find what you love
48:04to do and just focus on it we we we hear
48:07that uh on your tour in the uk you've
48:10become rather a fan of the slug and
48:11lettuce so okay so we were in cardiff and
48:15right next to my hotel there's a restaurant i
48:17think it's a restaurant called slug and
48:19lettuce now i've been to the uk many many
48:22times i would say dozens perhaps even
48:25getting close to maybe a hundred and i've
48:28never seen a slug and lettuce now a slug
48:31where i come from is a little wormy guy
48:33yeah that if you found in your lettuce
48:36you would not like it no it's not a good
48:38thing so i thought i don't know if i would
48:39want to go into a restaurant called slug and
48:42lettuce it's very unappetizing it'd be
48:45like if i open a restaurant in the states
48:46called like pig entrails come on in try the
48:49pork you'd be like i don't know so uh that
48:51of course the thing about the uk is people
48:53love to chant different things and
48:56depending where you go different areas
48:57and the welsh uh started a slug and
49:01lettuce chant slug and lettuce which has
49:04now become a thing which you now have
49:06asked me about so every time now when we
49:08go to cardiff there will be a slug and
49:10lettuce chant and we expect sponsorship
49:12from slug and lettuce and free meals you
49:14know whenever we go there i'll tell you
49:16what when i tag when i posted i did tag
49:19slug and lettuce because you never know
49:21it's good publicity for them right they
49:23might want to be the spokesman for
49:25slug and lettuce hi i'm chris jericho
49:27you too can enjoy a fine meal at slug and
49:30lettuce i think it'd be phenomenal yeah i
49:32think so too you you're a a tremendous
49:35booking for us and a huge name you're
49:37known for for all kinds of things really
49:39but obviously i've had a huge career in
49:40wwf wwe and and beyond of course um
49:44right now you're touring your band
49:46fozzy what's it like um having really
49:49seen that through and um and you know
49:52being involved in the band for 25 years
49:54um is it fair to say that it's recently
49:56kind of broken out and become this huge
49:59hit or do you feel it's always well you're
50:02building it right like anything else you
50:04have to start and build and i think when
50:05we first started fozzy we probably had to
50:07work twice as hard to get respect because
50:10i was in the band like wrestler how can
50:12a wrestler possibly sing like how can you
50:14walk and chew gum at the same time like
50:16it's a ridiculous kind of concept but
50:18we knew that and and we worked very
50:20hard but uh to to build the band but
50:23we've been coming to the uk since 2005
50:26and this has always been the territory the
50:30area the countries that really embraced
50:32us uh and took us to the next level right
50:34out of the gate i remember the first show
50:37we ever had in the uk was in nottingham
50:38a place called rock city i'm from nottingham
50:40okay there you go so you know rock city
50:42there's a couple different venues within
50:44this compound and when i walked on stage
50:48there were so many people that i thought
50:50i had walked into the wrong room i thought
50:53i walked into some other band's gig and
50:54i was like i couldn't believe just how
50:56many people were there right out of the
50:57gate it's been that way for us ever
50:59since and we have built it but you're
51:00right i think over the last probably over
51:03the last since since the record judas
51:04came out in the song judas which is 2017
51:07that's when the band really started to to
51:09to grow to where this tour here in the
51:12uk is our biggest tour we've ever done
51:14after being here so many times but it's
51:17really cool to see how the band is
51:18growing and see the momentum building
51:20and every night i ask how many people
51:22here have seen fozzy for the very first
51:24time it's always half the crowd or more
51:26seeing the band for the first time and
51:28consider we've been coming here for so
51:29many years that's kind of a cool feather
51:31in our cap yeah incredible i mean 75
51:33million views on the song judas yeah on
51:37youtube yeah and the judas record has
51:38gone gold in the states which is 500
51:41thousand units and it's about ready to
51:42hit platinum which is a million units sold
51:45which in this day and age when no one's
51:47buying music it's crazy but there's all
51:50streams and views on youtube all of that
51:53counts into what a platinum album would be
51:55so we're almost there which is insane when
51:58you think about it you know a million
52:01sales of anything is very hard to get so
52:03yeah judas is kind of the song that broke
52:04us out to the next step i think it's a
52:07great tune well thank you yeah i'm glad you
52:09like it have you always been musical so
52:12like like obviously you've been you know
52:14singing and writing music for a long time
52:16yeah it would you call it your main
52:18passion i mean i wouldn't call it my main
52:20passion but when i was a kid like i
52:22remember being like an early teenager
52:25maybe not even like 12 13 i wanted to be
52:28in a rock and roll band and i wanted to
52:29be a wrestler those are the two things i
52:31wanted to do so my whole life has always
52:33been geared towards that i was in the high
52:35guys had high school band played the battle
52:37of the bands in high school and still kind
52:40of always dabbled when i started wrestling
52:42but didn't really focus on it um for a while
52:46and then once i started making it in the
52:47world of wrestling then we started really
52:49focusing on on the band side of things
52:51again so i wouldn't say it's my main
52:53passion but it's definitely one of the
52:56biggest passions in my life and not just
52:58playing music but listening to music and
52:59knowing about music and i could probably go
53:01off on tangents uh about trivia of many
53:05different bands that you'd be completely
53:07bored to tears with but that i would love
53:09to talk about i should be on rock and roll
53:11jeopardy i could win that i could really
53:13win that but that's always been something
53:15i've been super excited and involved and
53:17interested in chris it's been a real
53:19pleasure having you in and thanks so much
53:21for taking the time uh to join us in
53:23person um i've i've loved that thank you
53:26oh my pleasure man to get a chance to
53:28talk to my favorite uh cast member from
53:30made in chelsea was just brilliant
53:33well there we go i had a great time
53:35thank you very much
53:35you
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