00:26This is Tim Wasberg from FastTrack on Cirque TV
00:29I'm here in Berlin, Germany for Berlinale 2026
00:33At its core, the story and the journey of Lillian
00:38and the character of Lillian is a collective avatar, if you will
00:48of a modern woman, but not only of a modern human being
00:56So it happens as a woman and it's very much the female gaze
01:00is very deliberate and is very much part of it
01:03But I think she stands for the human, for the mankind
01:08much like men throughout history, he stood for mankind
01:13being women within it
01:16So in that sense, I wanted to elevate her into that realm
01:22where she stands for all of us
01:29And then the journey and the task was to tell a story
01:34that was about how do you liberate yourself from the fantasy of trauma
01:39From the fantasy around, from the fantasy narrative surrounding
01:47trauma on many levels
01:49Transgenerational, personal, collective, social, political
01:52And it's not directly, it's through very specific circumstances
02:01as we see within the film
02:03But it resonates in that way, I hope
02:11to talk about and to explore
02:14how do you get free
02:16You go to addiction
02:18You go to crutches of different kinds
02:22You go to perceptions, as you say
02:24These perceptions are often fantasy narratives
02:27They're mythologies
02:29They're personal, collective, social mythologies
02:31But also internal narratives
02:33And internal narratives
02:34They're coping mechanisms
02:35And how do we liberate ourselves from them
02:40In order to transcend
02:42And to develop change
02:45Free ourselves
02:46And liberate and become freer
02:56And realize a potential
02:57That it's of spiritual quality, if you will
03:01Of less suffering
03:04Of more promise
03:07Of more hope
03:43Of more hope
03:46Of more hope
03:52Of more hope
03:52Of more hope
03:52Of more hope
04:47But how was Lillian did you internalize and externalize at the same time?
04:52She's very, you're very specific in how she moves, you're very specific in how she talks, but how she sees
05:00things, where did that begin?
05:31What is visible and invisible, but more in relation as an, she's, you see, it's like very static, very, and
05:43this for me was related to icon paintings.
05:46And to the dimension in which the gaze in the icon painting is always inward.
05:55So you do not see an image.
05:57We kiss icons, you know, we bow to icons, but this is because we do not see an image.
06:04You have an encounter.
06:06And in this directing the gaze inward, I sealed her.
06:13I don't know how to say.
06:15I sealed Lillian.
06:16She was impenetrable for the camera.
06:19And then what was important is that I stay completely vulnerable in a way that she can appear between me
06:29and the camera.
06:30Understand this kind of emergence of a character instead of me performing a character.
06:37And that was a very deliberate choice, to work with her as a relation, as a relation with Ralitsa, while
06:46we were in the set, and with the camera.
06:51Because it's important, you know, it can be 10% of a movement of the camera and you have a
06:57different character.
06:59In that sense, that dimension of what you say, the inner and the outer, was more of a between space,
07:10almost as a resonance, as she emerged.
07:14And you also, as a spectator, co-create her.
07:19Because you look inside.
07:21You don't look outside.
07:23You need, in order to encounter her, to direct the gaze.
07:28To your pain.
07:31To where you're going to start to see her, accept her, or refuse her.
07:37It's very deliberate choice, the reversal of the image.
07:41Also the choice Ralitsa did, in order that this become your first encounter with her.
07:52I'm going to say something else.
07:54At the opposite of the other.
07:56After that.
07:58And I'm going to say something else.
08:02I'm going to say something else.
08:14And that is something else.
08:19Actually, I say something else.
09:22Отказа ви. Закъсняла сте.
09:30Имало е заведено дело срещу вас и съдебно решение като единствен наследник на баща си.
09:37Вие сте длъжник по банков кредит.
09:41Трябва да има някаква грешка. Няма срок за отказ от наследство.
09:48Банката е изискала от съда времово ограничение за отговора ви.
09:54Вие Настаси декларирала желанието.
09:57Следователно, мълчанието ви е прието като негласно съгласие.
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11:02females and in terms of perception of what we should be what we are how we occupy space how
11:11what's expected of us what we expect of ourselves as a as a as a consequence of that and
11:21so we are expected so so many things and there is a there is a loss of authenticity within that
11:32because throughout history we we are performing constantly other people's expectations
11:41society in a male's world etc so we have a lot of a lot of palette and materiality with which
11:55to
11:55to work and at the same time being at a total loss even even within our sexuality within our eroticism
12:14so
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