00:00No comment from you yet this morning on Bleacher Report and their listing of the top 10 quarterbacks of all
00:06time.
00:07Okay. I mean, I have my list. They have theirs. It's fine.
00:10I love this list.
00:11They have like a top 40 list, too. They didn't just do 10. They went up to like 40.
00:16Number one is obviously Tom Brady.
00:18Yeah, yeah.
00:19No debate there.
00:20No.
00:21No. Number two is Joe Montana, who you famously give zero respect to.
00:31It's not a top five quarterback. It is what it is.
00:36But here's what I don't understand. I agree.
00:38I think you can really flip a coin with Montana and Mahomes because obviously Montana has more Super Bowls.
00:46Mahomes' career isn't over.
00:47But if it was to end right now, I guess I'll have to say Mahomes third behind Montana.
00:51But Peyton Manning being third on this list is obscene.
00:56Nope. Makes sense. He's number two on my list for a reason.
00:58What reason?
01:00Because the way in which Peyton Manning played quarterback changed the foundation on which offenses were run.
01:08Like the way in which he diagnosed at the line of scrimmage built the foundation for this generation of quarterback
01:14play, which I think matters.
01:15I think your impact on the game itself is a massive reason why he's so high on the list.
01:23Like I understand, and Curtis is right, like he choked on a lot of big game moments.
01:27I get it.
01:28When it comes to actually playing the quarterback position and what he did to the game of football, Peyton Manning
01:33changed it.
01:34If we're going to do that, though, then you should have Michael Vick in your top ten.
01:37But he didn't change it.
01:38But Michael Vick changed the way the quarterback was played, definitely.
01:41Not really, because what happened after...
01:43Randall Cunningham was the first.
01:44I guess right.
01:45And even Steve Young before that.
01:46Yeah, but even before that, it was the quarterback, the Vikings, Fran Tarkin.
01:51Fran Tarkin did a lot of running.
01:53Johnny Unitas did a ton of running.
01:55And then when you look at the gap from Michael Vick to the next real running quarterback, which I guess
02:01was RG3 for a year, there weren't a lot.
02:05Michael Vick didn't spawn a million of them.
02:08And I would say that it's actually wrong what you're saying about Peyton Manning.
02:12Peyton Manning didn't change the NFL.
02:14His teams changed the way it was officiated so they could win.
02:18They had to change the rules for Peyton Manning's offense to bring a championship.
02:22So I don't think that's necessarily wrong, but I also think the way in which quarterback play changed was because
02:29of Peyton Manning.
02:29Like, Wiggy, and maybe Wiggy can lend more of an insight into this, but when it comes to actually diagnosing
02:37things at the line of scrimmage
02:38and the way in which you audible in and out of plays, like, Peyton Manning changed kind of a lot
02:44of ways in which teams would do that.
02:45Peyton Manning was the person who kind of laid the foundation and did a lot of that.
02:49Now, I mean...
02:50Omaha!
02:51Yeah.
02:52And I guess it depends on where you...
02:55Like, where are your criterias for when you're saying, okay, what are we going to look at with this quarterback?
03:01How important is winning championships?
03:03Let's just do this quick, Greg.
03:04So this is the Bleacher Report top 10.
03:0710 Dan Marino, 9 Steve Young, 8 Drew Brees, 7 Brett Favre, 6 John Elway, 5 Aaron Rodgers.
03:135 Aaron Rodgers.
03:14I get it.
03:15But I don't know if he should be that high.
03:18Yeah, you guys made fun of me when I had him.
03:19I have an issue with him being fifth.
03:22It's obscene that he's ahead of John Elway.
03:24Correct.
03:25And Brett Favre.
03:26No, I think he's better than Favre.
03:294 Mahomes, 3 Peyton Manning, 2 Montana, 1 Brady.
03:32See, this list is already...
03:33Top 10 is already a joke.
03:35The fact that you don't have Dan Marino in the top 10...
03:39We just do.
03:40He just mentioned it on the show that you're listening to that you don't hear, ever.
03:45Oh, I thought you said it was...
03:46Yeah, no, just said it.
03:47Just said it there, contrarian coach.
03:50I thought you said Steve Young.
03:52No.
03:52Yes, I did after I said Dan Marino.
03:54Okay, my bad.
03:54No problem.
03:55And I would have Dan Marino higher.
03:57He'd be in the top five for me.
03:59Never won a Super Bowl.
04:00Yeah, see, that's the point.
04:01So you're basing it on winning championships.
04:04If you're going to do it, Terry Bradshaw would be...
04:05Well, is that the whole entire thing?
04:06Well, if that...
04:06Shime's right.
04:07If that's the goal, why isn't Bradshaw on you?
04:09That's my big argument with Joe Montana.
04:11Right.
04:11Why isn't Terry Bradshaw on you?
04:12Well, people...
04:14I think Terry Bradshaw deserves to be top 10.
04:19People argue that the league was different there, and you had no free agency, and it was...
04:25You know, everybody's played together for 10, 15 years, and so it was easier to win.
04:29I don't...
04:31You know, that's the argument.
04:32See, and that's why I said, when you look at your criteria, how important is winning championships on this list?
04:38It is number one to me.
04:40Okay, see, it wouldn't be number one to me, because...
04:43And I would look in all sports, right?
04:44I think Jordan's the GOAT, right?
04:47And there are...
04:48But I put Bird up there high, but there are guys that have won more championships than Bird that I
04:53would put below him.
04:55I think Dan Marino, he didn't win a Super Bowl.
04:57Well, but see, when you talk about Bird, like, to me, there's an extra element, which is that he and
05:04Magic saved the game of basketball.
05:07Like, that to me is an added factor that I weigh in on.
05:13Well, redefining the position of quarterback, which Dan Marino did when he came into the league, he redefined what the
05:23passing quarterback looked like.
05:24So if you're going to go with changing the game or redefining the position, I agree with that, and I
05:30can see that's why I would have Dan Marino higher on my list, even though he doesn't have the championship.
05:35What he did prior to the rule changes is borderline impossible, Dan Marino.
05:39Yes!
05:40That was so good.
05:40I mean, we think of touchdown numbers now, but they're almost like the home run numbers after the steroid era.
05:45Like, pre-2000, basically, what Marino did was unprecedented.
05:53And I wouldn't have Steve Young on this list either.
05:56Like, he inherited Bill Walsh and Joe Montana's brilliant offensive system.
06:01He won one championship.
06:03Dan Marino had a far more impactful, better NFL career than Steve Young.
06:08He should be top five Marino.
06:10I think even Ty Law came in here and said one day that Dan Marino's the best thrower of the
06:14football he's ever seen.
06:15And they're Aliquippa boys.
06:17Right.
06:18He should, that's why when you say, so that's why, you know, I guess it's based on, and I don't
06:22know how the Bleacher Report did it, but maybe they took in, well, they didn't take into consideration your thought
06:28process because they would have had, who was number two?
06:30Was it Montana?
06:31Yeah, Joe Montana's number two.
06:33And they had Peyton Manning at number three, so.
06:35Right.
06:35But to me, it's not about championships.
06:37Also, there's two or three guys on the list who had the unfortunate circumstance of playing against Tom Brady, and
06:44you can look at, you know, Drew Brees, obviously Peyton Manning.
06:49Mahomes.
06:50Brees, to me, might be the most.
06:52They would have had more if not for Tom Brady.
06:55Brees might be the most overrated.
06:57Yes, I agree.
06:58Because if I'm going to say it about Sean Peyton, I have to hold the same standard to Drew Brees.
07:01They went seven and nine way too many times, and they were terrible outside of a dome.
07:05And this goes to the GOAT conversation in basketball with LeBron and Jordan with some guys like Drew Brees, and
07:13I'm not going to use Brady.
07:16How long they played.
07:18Like, Drew Brees played what?
07:2117, 18 years?
07:22Same with Aaron Rodgers?
07:24So the number, Marino only played, I want to say, what, 12 or 13?
07:27He had the Achilles injury late in his career.
07:29So when you start to factor in the longevity, statistically, you're going to always be in the top of the
07:37conversation because you played so much longer than everybody else.
07:40Yeah, but wouldn't you say most people would consider Aaron Rodgers in the top?
07:43And that's 21 years in the league with one Super Bowl win?
07:47Right.
07:47So I think that more people fall in line with Wiggy than they do with Greg when it comes to
07:53how many Super Bowls a quarterback has won over time.
07:56Like, that's not a factor.
07:56Correct.
07:57It's the talent that you see on the field and the team that's around them and what they do to
08:02elevate that team rather than winning a Super Bowl.
08:03I'm looking at more of the – when we're talking about quarterbacks or any position and we're talking about the
08:09greatest of all, I'm looking more at their talent than I am the number of championships they win.
08:13And I wonder if that is more a former player versus a fan situation.
08:17Probably.
08:18I would say yes because former players know how difficult it actually is to win a Super Bowl.
08:23And that's why they – and that's why the conversation – and, I mean, I have Jordan at number one,
08:27but that's why there are a lot of people that have LeBron as their goat because of his overall talent
08:35versus Jordan.
08:37That's why I have Marino up higher on my list because when you look at Marino and what he did
08:43at the position as quarterback and his talent to throw the football, he couldn't run to save his life.
08:48But his ability to throw into tight windows, his ability to put touch on the ball, all of those things,
08:54there was nobody, in my opinion, better than Dan Marino.
08:57Well, it's interesting.
08:58Bleacher Report, top 10 quarterbacks of all time.
09:01Number 11, Mac Jones.
09:03Well, I'm pretty sure they had, like, Eli Manning in the top 25, which is insane.
09:07Yeah, well, it's because he won two Super Bowls.
09:09He did.
09:09Do you – are you still on Mac Island after he kind of just didn't show for you guys on
09:14Radio Row?
09:15Yeah.
09:15He was busy.
09:16He was busy.
09:17But Wiggy even told him, like, Greg's a huge fan.
09:20Wiggy got a big picture with him, so that was fine.
09:22The selfie was good.
09:23It's very difficult because people have all these scheduled interviews and you have to drive them or, you know, drag
09:28them away.
09:29How many scheduled interviews did Mac Jones have?
09:32I'm sorry.
09:32I think he may have had a lot.
09:34Because, you know, he's playing out in San Francisco.
09:37Stop it.
09:37He had a lot of success.
09:38People love him in the Bay Area.
09:40I even asked him.
09:41His outfits alone that week were atrocious.
09:43Well, you know, he needs a personal slice.
09:46I think he has one and they need to be fired.
09:47The sunglasses, it's not a lot.
09:49Let's send him the colorist that picked games.
09:51I asked him.
09:52I said, hey, listen, man.
09:53You think they're going to trade you?
09:54Because, you know, it would be a good opportunity if you go start somewhere.
09:57And he's like, yeah, I'm probably going to be here.
09:59But he wants, you know, obviously, he would like to be traded somewhere.
10:03Is that breaking news?
10:04No, I don't think it's breaking news.
10:05But, I mean.
10:06Mac Jones wants to be traded?
10:07We actually.
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