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00:02welcome to comedians and elevators podcast i've got my guest dolores wheeler dolores say hi
00:08introduce yourself and tell us a little bit about yourself yeah well comedy is my favorite
00:14i have several uh videos i've done they're short videos i do them through uh sag after a micro
00:24budget and i uh i'm streaming through daily motion and i also have a youtube channel i'm on
00:31tiktok if you type my name in i'm on anything you can find i've written three ebooks on amazon and
00:40i
00:40have screenplays for each one of them and uh most of my uh short videos are comedic satires
00:50all right very cool very cool well you ready to get started dolores yes all right so the whole
00:56point of the podcast is to compare and contrast the comic versus the comedian so i define the comic
01:04as any person telling funny jokes versus the comedian who's a funny person telling any joke
01:10so dolores would you agree that you start as a comic and evolve into a comedian
01:19yes okay all right so are you ready for the first question yes all right so it's about the role
01:27of
01:27persona in comedy so how much of the comedian's voice is a character versus their real self
01:35well i've done voiceovers and you can get a lot out of a person's voice as to their character
01:42so if you're doing comedy if you're doing straight comedy or yourself but if you're doing uh comedic
01:50characters you have a different voice okay so so when you say comedic character so really that's an
01:57example of a comic right yes so then does authenticity matter or is illusion part of the magic
02:07well it's all illusion but uh uh it's uh each person will take it differently as you're as you're doing
02:17your character so you're saying the universe is mental mental yes all right we're all mental
02:27fair enough fair enough speaking of mental so how about punching up versus punching down
02:32so where do comics versus comedians subscribe to this and let me put it in some historical context
02:38did a jealous medieval prince become the first comedian by killing the court jester
02:47no okay well was he an asshole yeah i would say so because i you you kill the court jester
02:56then
02:56where's your comedy so right it's very postmodern in that respect i would say so then uh is the
03:04audience agreement with the comedian a form of permission or alignment well you're aligning
03:10with the comedian when you uh are doing comedy i've done stage comedy film comedy uh all kinds of
03:20different comedy and uh film and uh theater are two different mediums so uh you have to do it large
03:29when you're on a theater and you do it smaller on screen because you got the camera all right so
03:38how
03:38about cultural translation of comedy so how do jokes that work in one country bomb in another we have to
03:45be very careful i had uh seen where in certain cultures they really don't laugh they don't show
03:51much emotion and some are very uh gregarious so it's uh it's and i've only worked in america so
03:59uh i i'm used to the comedy now comedy in different areas of america are different and you have to
04:07be
04:07careful with your comedy you might offend somebody so as if i was in a foreign country i could do
04:13a lot
04:14of comedy on being an american because they might find a lot of comedic aspects to that but here it
04:23might be offensive to some so you have to be sensitive to your audience and where it is so
04:28you're punching down on americans when you're outside of the country is that what you're suggesting
04:32i think they would find that funny what if they don't know the reference i would agree i would
04:37definitely tend to agree um depending on the how you position it but um would they even understand
04:43the references i would have to uh research the uh country i was in and probably get advice from
04:52people as to what to use i mean would you go with the bullying theme that america's the bully
05:00they'd like that they'd like that a lot
05:05how far can you take that like can you imagine a set based off of that or because i haven't
05:10thought
05:10about it but not it's according to what country i'm in of course there'll be americans that are there
05:15and they might take offense to some of it but they would know where it was coming from and they
05:20might
05:20see the humor in it because they know there are some bullies in america and uh they some are not
05:27bullies but uh i would have to do research on it and and be sensitive to my audience
05:34yeah very much so so i i don't know if you were tracking recently dave chappelle did a did a
05:39did
05:40that uh where he was in saudi arabia and uh he was talking a lot about um you know about
05:46the united
05:46states and then when he came back to the united states he started talking smack about saudi arabia so
05:52uh looks like you may have burned that but i worked for him so how does the silence when your
05:58joke
05:58doesn't land hurt physically emotionally morally or spiritually well from my experience uh sometimes
06:11uh you have a joke that you didn't even plan on i was in a play where uh i was
06:19uh delivering
06:20something i thought was not funny and uh the audience would always laugh and i was asking
06:26my fellow actors what's going on they says your delivery so we kept it in because we wanted it
06:33was a comedy and then uh another time i was on a film and uh someone accidentally said something
06:43and uh improv it wasn't supposed to but it was funny or it was good and so they kept it
06:50in so there a lot of times there's happy accidents so we want to craft some of those right so
06:56would
06:56you say that comics are more universal while comedians are more culturally specific
07:03i think it overlaps a lot okay so speaking of overlapping how about love and justice so is the highest
07:12function of comedy to expose injustice or to make people feel less alone while living with it
07:22both okay fair enough so then so when so how about when a joke harms someone unintentionally does love
07:30demand accountability or does justice demand defiance that that's how you're going to always offend
07:37somebody are you're always going to somebody is going to take something as a joke when you didn't
07:43mean it to be a joke so i had a a comedy is can be very physical i was in
07:49a play one time where i was
07:51turning my head and every time i turned my head back uh they would roar laughing and i under my
07:57breath i
07:57was saying to the other actor what is so funny and he said every time you turn your head the
08:03feather
08:03gets me in the face and we weren't planning on that because i had a big plume on my hat
08:09and so a lot of comedy
08:10is also physical about just verbal for sure yeah definitely we're gonna have some of the action so very
08:18important question advertising and self-promotion so who advertises themselves more the comic the comedian
08:27or the magician i do a lot of self-promotion i lived in la and uh publicists are very expensive
08:37and now
08:38through social media you can uh do a lot of publicity on yourself so that is mainly what i use
08:47do you think publicists are going to be relevant in the future
08:53well ai is taking over a lot of things and uh it's kind of scary
09:01so you think ai will be the best publicist
09:04it could be it could be i've started using ai in my films
09:10and uh they can you can pick out any character you don't have to hire actors you can just
09:15put them in and uh but then i'm taking away from actors too so well yeah i mean it's still
09:23it's not good like i mean it's it's getting better but it's not really something you want to watch like
09:29i start getting offended once i realize because it's getting that good once i realize i'm watching
09:33the ai video right sometimes it's hard to tell it definitely is getting harder to tell especially
09:39when it's in a stylistically in a form that resembles something very realistic like a style
09:45in particular it tricks people every day yeah i did a video actually on ai and i did another video
09:53on social media scammers and people get scammed every day just to mention i did see probably the
10:00best one there was a youtube uh watching the super bowl before it started and then there was like a
10:06a countdown to when trump is going to make a speech and then once it hit the countdown it was
10:12an ai trump
10:13and his speech his speech was all about like saving your saving or doubling your investment
10:19you just scan the qr code to you know transfer your your crypto and i was like wow that is
10:26the
10:26bull and there's like 16 000 people watching live and i was like someone will believe it you know
10:32yeah they do and you can't convince them otherwise i mean it took me about a few seconds to realize
10:40that it was ai trump giving this announcement because he you know the cadence was off but uh it was
10:45shocking i have 16 000 people kind of waiting for it of all things so so then who survives better
10:51in
10:51the cancel culture environment the comic the comedian the magician or the mudslinger
10:59well uh we're magicians when we're doing uh films i actually was in la years ago and i was at
11:09it was
11:09uh i don't know if i can mention the name but i was uh walked into a theater it was
11:14supposed to go
11:15uh talking about just a regular topic and the man comes on and i'm three rows back and i'm looking
11:22at
11:22him and i think it's a real man and then poof he was gone and it was talking about this
11:28is the wave
11:28of the future that ai can even be on a stage and and we can't tell the difference so you
11:36were being
11:37shown a hologram yes so uh that is magic too undiscovered science but the second you really you know
11:47maybe i mean you know you can vibe code now right so you don't even need to know how to
11:52code and still
11:53have the same results similar results so is that still magic
11:59uh is vibe is vibe coding magic
12:03i think everything's magic okay fair enough fair enough so how about timing and delivery is it a science
12:11or an art it's both uh timing and delivery uh it's very it's it's harder to make people laugh than
12:23cry
12:24so i i learned that during uh stage and when you have a live audience you you feel what the
12:33audience
12:33feels you know when you're losing up but in film it's difference and every audience is different
12:39that's watching that film so it's very subjective so you're telling me you can you can make people cry
12:47on live stage from them they're an audience watching you oh yeah okay you can't if it's a drama
12:57right right of course but uh yeah all right i mean i've only i guess i've only been to a
13:02few
13:02good theatrical performances where i even was paying attention so i guess that's partly on me as an
13:08audience member um so then do comics rely more on structure and comedians more on rhythm and emotion
13:17well there's structure in rhythm and it does have a rhythm to it and you have to keep the rhythm
13:24going
13:24to keep your audience and a lot of times you have to be very fast paced are you going to
13:30lose them
13:31okay all right so how about laughter versus applause so are comics chasing laughs and comedians chasing
13:39applause breaks or a primetime emmy that validate the message well you're always chasing laughter
13:47which follows with applause okay well that's the best case scenario right yes all right so how about
13:57comedy is commentary so when does a comedian cross into being a philosopher or a preacher
14:02well i don't like being preached to i do like philosophy one of my favorite uh comedians was gallagher
14:11instead of them throwing rotten tomatoes at the comedian he's throwing food at them and people
14:17actually pay to get food thrown on them which i thought was amazing but he puts in philosophy
14:23and he makes people think so uh i thought he was amazing yeah absolutely i mean that was a
14:31cultural phenomenon that uh yeah i mean it was yeah definitely i agree so uh so is it good or
14:38does it
14:39dilute the humor uh it adds to the humor i think because they're sitting there knowing it's ridiculous
14:47holding up you know so it doesn't hit them it's going to hit them anyway make a total mess
14:51but that's part of the comedy yeah all right dolores are you ready to enter the multiverse
14:58sure okay board game zoom cast play verse performance so you need to choose an avatar
15:07so if comedy were a board game zoom cast are you competing as the colorist avatar adding tone
15:15mood and shading or the fully artist avatar building punch lines with soundscapes and timing
15:22so i have to choose one or two right well you're in the multiverse so i would say it'd be
15:29most
15:30advantage to choose one so you don't get uh fragmented that's really hard because i would want
15:38all of it uh you'll get all of it if you're in the multiverse so you have to put yourself
15:44from that
15:44perspective is do you want all of it you want all of it here in the 3d but in the
15:4740 and up
15:48you sure you want all that infinity yes all right so so does comedy work better when it's painted vividly
15:58or when it's orchestrated sonically both okay fair enough so here on the comedians and elevators
16:09podcast we have a tradition where the previous guest asks a question for the next guest and the
16:16previous guest was nick mccabe and his question for you dolores is what is your favorite comedy movie
16:25comedy movie comedy movie my favorite comedy movie oh that's really hard i like an old movie uh and
16:33because i love movies with the twist to the end of them and there's a movie came out a long
16:39time ago
16:39it was in black and white it was called harvey and it's a guy that was uh the one with
16:45the rabbit okay
16:46he was supposed to be crazy and he was making other people actually start seeing this rabbit
16:53and then at the end he makes a psychologist or psychiatrist believe it too so there's the
17:01twist when they're trying to get him in to a psycho ward and then everybody starts believing him so
17:08that's my favorite comedy because there's a twist you don't i didn't when i first saw it i didn't i
17:14didn't know what the ending was going to be that they all also start seeing the rabbit
17:21and this has nothing to do with drugs right and i actually got to do that play and we had
17:27so much
17:28fun uh because by the end of the play we were supposed to be you know we were getting like
17:35where's the rabbit we were beginning to believe that there was a real rabbit
17:40so when did when did that start uh working for the character when other people started seeing it is
17:45when that the other characters were able to communicate like for example was he just was
17:50it all like uh one-on-one scenes until the end when it became kind of a group yeah so
17:55at the end we
17:56had someone open the door you know you always come out and you take your bow at the end that
18:00someone
18:00opened the door and then we all here came the rabbit and we saw the right that's at the end
18:09though
18:09right that's like a kind of a postscript all right very cool all right so last question legacy who gets
18:17remembered will the comics type five survive time or will the comedian's cultural point of view be more
18:24timeless well i have to always say both because it's so overlapping okay yeah absolutely that definitely
18:34works so dolores where can everybody find you online uh you can find my work on imdb uh it's imdb
18:45dot me slash my name d-e-l-o-r-e-s i'm on youtube it's sag uh slash aftra
18:53and uh my name uh because i do both
18:57theater and film uh my videos are streaming on daily motion youtube tick tock if you just type
19:05my name in all kinds of things come up all right well very cool well dolores thank you so much
19:12for
19:12being my guest and for everyone please like and subscribe and we will see you in the next all right
19:17thank you bye-bye
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