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00:00¿Can you hear me?
00:02En la primera line, en la primera line, I see your head.
00:05Ya, cut his head off.
00:08There we go.
00:12Okay.
00:14You ready?
00:15Thumbs up back there?
00:17Thumbs up from everybody.
00:18Okay.
00:19Well, I'm Senator Lindsey Graham from South Carolina.
00:23I'm back.
00:24I come here every two weeks, if I need to or not.
00:27So why did I come this time?
00:29To put a fine point of where we're at as a world regarding the Iranian regime.
00:35The Iranian Ayatollah and his murderous regime are at their weakest point since 1979.
00:44Their economy is in shambles.
00:46Their military has been degraded.
00:47There are people in the streets, Iranian people in the streets, demanding an end to oppression.
00:53All these forces are coming together.
00:55We must meet the moment.
00:58If this regime falls in the coming weeks or months, two things we'll attribute to it.
01:03October the 7th.
01:05Without October the 7th, I do not believe this regime would be as weak as it is today.
01:11What happened on October the 7th was horrible.
01:14It was horrific.
01:15And it will be part of the Israeli, the people of Israel's history, as long as they're the people of
01:23Israel.
01:24But your determination, out of the ashes of October 7th, to give new meaning to never again,
01:31to go on the offensive to weaken the Iranian regime and their proxies, is paying dividends.
01:36The response of Israel after October 7th to make sure never again was credible has led to the weakest regime
01:45in Iran since 1979.
01:47The second event, the rise of the people.
01:51The people in Iran have gone to the streets without weapons.
01:55Maybe 30,000 or more have been killed to demand an end to their oppression.
01:59These two events, the bravery of the people of Iran who are saying, I've had it, I won't change,
02:06and the response of Israel to October the 7th have led to the potential demise of the Ayatollah.
02:13I can't think of a more satisfying event for me personally than see the good people of Iran to be
02:20able to get their country back,
02:22to live in a place where they didn't have to worry about their daughter being murdered because she didn't wear
02:27the headscarf right on a bus,
02:30being able to be part of the world, not isolated from the world,
02:34being able to embrace the light and not be overshadowed by the darkness.
02:38I look forward to a day when Israel no longer has to fear a nuclear weapon being developed by the
02:44Iranian regime.
02:46The best answer to all the problems created by Iran is regime change.
02:51The best answer is for the people to take the place of the Ayatollah.
02:55I do not believe they're in the streets to build more nuclear weapons.
02:59I think they're in the streets to have a better life.
03:02I don't think they're in the streets to purify Islam and destroy Israel and come after us, the great Satan.
03:08They're in the streets to have normalcy in a life that's not normal.
03:13So my view is the risk of regime change is real.
03:18There are unknowns.
03:21But let me just say this.
03:23I'm willing to take that risk.
03:25I think the Iranian people have the potential to be a great ally of the United States, Israel, and the
03:30region.
03:31I think the Ayatollah, as long as he's alive and around, will be chanting death to America
03:35and will be trying to enact a religious agenda of purify Islam, destroy Israel, come after us.
03:45He's a religious Nazi.
03:46Hitler wanted a master race.
03:48The Ayatollah wants a master religion.
03:51And we're not going to give it to them.
03:53We're going to fight back.
03:54To the brave people of Israel, I know you were hurt very hard, very wide, and very deep on October
03:597th.
04:00I'm here to tell you we're on the verge of eliminating the largest state sponsor of terrorism in the region.
04:07And with the fall of Iran comes the fall of Hezbollah, Hamas, the Houthis.
04:13The real effect is enormous.
04:15Normalization becomes far more likely.
04:18If the Ayatollah survives all this bluster, God help the region.
04:23So my presence here today is to reassure the Israeli people there is no light or gaps between President Trump
04:33and Bibi about what to do and how to do it.
04:37There are two lines in the water right now.
04:40One's a diplomatic line trying to find a way to end this regime diplomatically that will advance our national security
04:48interest.
04:48The other line is the military option.
04:51I think President Trump is looking for which line can catch the biggest fish.
04:56The bottom line is we're into weeks, not months, in terms of decision-making.
05:00The Iranian people are hanging on.
05:03I attended a rally of 250,000 people in Munich.
05:06I think it's one of the most satisfying experiences of my professional life to have 250,000 people want to
05:12know who I was and appreciate what I was doing.
05:17Apparently I'm commonly referred to as Uncle Lindsey in Iran, and apparently that's a good thing.
05:22But this hat, Make Iran Great Again, says a lot in a very few words.
05:32By the way, the idea of Making Iran Great Again hat came from Morgan Ortega, who's not with us, but
05:38she thought this would be a good branding, and she was right.
05:41And this hat one day will go to Tehran.
05:43I look forward to delivering it to the people of Tehran.
05:46And President Trump, when asked about what this hat means and says, he said, I think what Senator Graham was
05:54trying to say is that the best way to make Iran great again is through the people, not the Ayatollah.
06:00I think he's right.
06:01So my hope is that in the coming weeks, if we can't find a diplomatic solution, that we engage in
06:10a great endeavor, supporting the people of Iran, demanding their freedom and the end of their oppression.
06:17We have military capabilities second to none.
06:20There is no more clever nation on the planet than Israel.
06:24There is no more powerful nation on the planet than the United States.
06:28As to the Iranian regime, you're weak because of your ideas, you're weak because of the way you've treated your
06:34people, you're weak because you're evil.
06:38Eventually, good will replace evil in Iran.
06:41To those who may participate in this endeavor, God bless you, God keep you safe, if that day does come.
06:51Could our soldiers be hid in the region?
06:53Absolutely, they could.
06:55Can Iran respond if we have an all-out attack?
06:58Absolutely, they can.
07:00I think the risk associated with that is far less than the risk associated with blinking and pulling the plug
07:07and not helping the people as you promised.
07:10We told them to go back in the street, keep protesting, help us on the way.
07:15We have to be good to our word.
07:16And so, this trip is a special trip for me.
07:21It's putting a fine point on something I've been working on for over two years.
07:26I leave from here to go to the United Arab Emirates.
07:29Bibi wanted me to tell the press that he's amazed by the level of cooperation
07:36and the significance of the partnership of the United Arab Emirates with Israel.
07:41That NBC has done everything, ask and then some.
07:44That they've been a stalwart partner, reliable partner under difficult circumstances.
07:49And I want to go there tomorrow and acknowledge NBC's leadership
07:55and suggest that America improve his capability to defend the United Arab Emirates and the region.
08:01I will then go to Saudi Arabia.
08:04I believe that the crown prince still has the same vision for the region he did before October 7th.
08:10But October 7th has taken its toll.
08:13And at the end of the day, if the regime is still standing after all this bluster,
08:18October 7th was a strategic win for Iran and radical Islam.
08:23If the regime falls as a result of the pressure put on the regime by Israel and the United States
08:30after October 7th, combined with the uprising of the people demanding a better life,
08:36then that would be the biggest change in the Mideast in a thousand years.
08:41I am leaving here confident of the capability of the United States and Israel,
08:48if called upon, to deliver a decisive blow to the Iranian regime.
08:53I am hopeful that diplomacy may prevail yet.
08:58Either way, our date with history, our date with a new destiny for the Mideast, is upon us.
09:08Questions?
09:09Questions?
09:10To do it, Mr. Senator Anabarsky, a married newspaper.
09:14I have a question, please.
09:15After your meeting with Prime Minister Netanyahu,
09:18are United States and Israel really aligned on the next steps regarding Iran?
09:24Yes.
09:25One more question?
09:25Yes.
09:26There is.
09:27Trump has said he's doing the talk one month.
09:30When the month ends, there is no food limit.
09:34Should the United States shift to military freedom?
09:37President Trump is very good at making sure people don't play him by giving them deadlines.
09:44He did that with Hamas.
09:45He did that with Iran.
09:47I think you may see that now again with Iran.
09:50The bottom line is I don't mind diplomacy as long as it's done in a way to get the outcome
09:55you want.
09:57I know President Trump is allowing us to keep engaging, which I support.
10:01But he also has on the table another option that Gerald Ford is steaming this way.
10:07I don't think they're just going for better weather.
10:10So time will tell what happens.
10:13President Trump has done a masterful job, I think, of weakening the regime without getting us, the United States, further
10:21entangled into bigger wars.
10:22Israel has done an incredible job after October 7th to give new meaning to the term never again by going
10:30after the enemies of Israel wherever they reside in the most clever way and, quite frankly, sometimes the most brutal
10:38way.
10:38That's what it takes to survive in this region.
10:42Yes, Senator Graham.
10:44Hello, thank you.
10:45These are obviously from Haaretz.
10:47Two questions as well.
10:49One on Gaza, please.
10:52We hear that the United States tends to take a step-by-step approach towards the disarmament of Hamas.
11:00Yeah.
11:00Can you confirm that?
11:02I don't know.
11:04I know that the president has told me, President Trump, that if they don't disarm soon, then they're playing a
11:10game.
11:11So I don't know if we put Hamas on a time limit, time clock.
11:15I wish we would disarm or else in X amount of days.
11:19That seems to be the best way to get results around here.
11:23Do I think Hamas will disarm without being made to do so?
11:26No.
11:27Do I think there's a regional force in the region that could come in and disarm Hamas against their wishes?
11:35No.
11:36I think it's either going to take pressure to get Hamas to disarm from the region or Israel is going
11:43to have to go back in and wipe them out.
11:46The sooner we get an answer to those questions, the better.
11:49I don't see how you develop Gaza in a real meaningful way if you still have elements of Hamas armed
11:56within the area.
11:58You know, it's hard to sell a condo for, say, $3 million with a good ocean view if right down
12:03the road there's a neighborhood controlled by Hamas.
12:06That's not an investment I would want to make.
12:08And the second question, if I may, the West Bank.
12:12The West Bank and Gaza have to be part of any solution.
12:16I mean, you know, the annexation steps, the steps towards annexation that the Israeli government has taken.
12:22Well, I'm hoping this –
12:23How is it planned for the West Bank?
12:25I'm hoping, you know, the plan was to get Hamas to disarm.
12:28That's been months ago.
12:29They're clearly not interested in disarming.
12:32You know, the pace of this is slow.
12:34I get it.
12:35The Board of Peace, maybe it works.
12:36But I know this.
12:37You'll never have peace in the Mideast with Hamas under arms.
12:39You'll never have a solution to the problem of terrorism that Israel faces until Hamas is no more politically or
12:46militarily.
12:48Joe Brown, I'm 24 News.
12:49Thank you very much, Senator Graham.
12:51So you say that there's no light between what President Trump and parents of Netanyahu want.
12:58That's what he told me.
12:59Well, you say that President Trump wants, first of all, to try and get a diplomatic solution to this.
13:05So from Netanyahu's side, as you spoke to him today, what does he want to happen?
13:09Well, they have – they've been very clear about what a diplomatic solution would have to entail for Israel to
13:15believe it's a good deal.
13:17No deal will go through the process without coming to the Congress.
13:21I assure you, as a member of the Senate, I will fairly evaluate any deal, but I'm skeptical of any
13:27deal that would limit Iran's nuclear capability, given their behavior.
13:31It's kind of late in the process, and they're prone to cheat.
13:36But the Senate will have a say about whether or not it's a good deal or a bad deal.
13:40So that's the way the process works.
13:41I'm just telling you what Bibi told me.
13:44Okay?
13:45We'll get everybody.
13:47Daniel, I'm from NPR.
13:48Nice to see you here.
13:50Prime Minister Netanyahu has spoken about tapering off U.S. military aid.
13:55Yeah, we talked about that.
13:56You've spoken about a quicker timetable.
13:58How quickly do you –
13:59Well, I think what his plan is to replace the money of 3-point-something billion with an investment in
14:05new technology.
14:06Rather than just writing you a check, you know, help the IDF, he wants to create a partnership outside of
14:13the aid number.
14:15I like that idea.
14:16The wars of the future are being planned here in Israel because if you're not one step ahead of the
14:22enemy, you suffer.
14:24The most clever, creative military forces on the planet are here in Israel because they have to be to survive.
14:31So what we're looking at is that Israel is advancing down the road of new weaponry far beyond us.
14:37And it would be nice to have a process where we could be partners.
14:44Thank you for being here.
14:49I'm trying to understand, based on your conversation with Prime Minister Netanyahu and President Trump, are we closer to a
14:56deal with Iran?
14:57I think they're –
15:00What would we negotiate more?
15:02I think –
15:02I'm saying it's only – it's nuclear program.
15:05Well, Israel is worried about the ballistic missile program, support for regional terrorism, and the nuclear program.
15:11I'm worried about all three.
15:13And the track record of Iran is abysmal when it comes to keeping their word.
15:19You've got to understand who you're dealing with.
15:21The Ayatollah wants to do three things.
15:24He wants to purify Islam, which means Saudi Arabia has to bend to his will as a Shiite.
15:30He wants to destroy the state of Israel because he thinks y'all are evil, that the Jews should not
15:36have a state, that God commands him to kill all the Jews.
15:40He wants to come after the United States, my country, because we're infidels.
15:45Well, I believe he believes all three.
15:48I believe if he had a nuclear weapon, he would use it to advance his religious cause.
15:53Israel can't afford to be wrong about this.
15:56So when I look at the Ayatollah, I take the man at his word.
16:00He's a religious Nazi.
16:01And the answer to, you know, controlling religion, no.
16:08You know, the answer to insisting that the United States bend our will to that of the Ayatollah, no.
16:36I'm concerned about some of the rhetoric being directed toward the United Arab Emirates.
16:40The one takeaway from my visit to Israel is how the Israeli leadership in the military and the civilian side
16:48have such high opinions of MBZ as a leader and UAE as a country.
16:55It's just everybody wanted me to know that these people, you know, and the United Arab Emirates and MBZ have
17:02been a trusted and great ally.
17:04I've gotten to know MBZ pretty well.
17:08I think his vision for the region of integration and economic growth and AI dominance can only happen with a
17:18region not on perpetual fire.
17:21As long as the Ayatollah is around, he's up to no good.
17:24If the regime does collapse because of the demand of the Iranian people, then I think this region will explode
17:31in a good way.
17:34If the Ayatollah is still standing, it will explode in a bad way.
17:37But if we do answer the call of the Iranian people to help them in their time of great stress
17:44and the regime falls, I think we have tremendous opportunity nobody could have even dreamed of a couple of years
17:51ago.
17:52Another question.
17:53President Trump recently called the Israeli president of the Council disgraceful.
17:57What?
17:58For not yet pardoning Prime Minister Netanyahu.
18:00Well, I'll leave that up to President Herzog.
18:04I hope they can resolve that issue.
18:06But one thing that President Trump said Saturday, do you want regime change in Iran?
18:13He said, well, it seems like that would be the best thing that could happen.
18:19For 47 years, they've been talking and talking and talking.
18:25And in the meantime, we've lost a lot of lives.
18:29So let's see what happens.
18:31I think that's a great description before we stand with Iran.
18:35Do you think the Prime Minister should be granted a pardon?
18:37Huh?
18:38Do you think the Prime Minister should be granted a pardon?
18:39I'll leave that up to people here.
18:40It seems to me that all the attention – I don't know what your legal system's like, but for a
18:47defendant to have to go and talk for two years about a case is a bit odd.
19:00I think I support the idea of getting the route outcome and the diplomacy lines in the water.
19:07I think it will bear fruit.
19:08Well, based on the behavior of the regime in the past, no.
19:12But maybe this is a new time.
19:13We won't know until we try.
19:15If diplomacy does not succeed, how do you bring about regime change?
19:19Is it taking out the Itoba?
19:21Well, I think the regime will collapse with sustained pressure.
19:26It's so weak.
19:27You know, they fly F-14s.
19:30A lot's happened since Top Gun 1.
19:33So the Air Force is – that's a great movie, but it's made in the 80s.
19:38So I don't like their chances in the sky.
19:41They have a lot of ballistic missiles.
19:43They could hurt us.
19:44They could do damage to Israel.
19:45But every day that goes by in the war, they get less capable.
19:50We get more because we have such a dominant advantage.
19:54There is risk associated with taking the regime down militarily.
19:58But it's made in the 80s.
20:00So I don't like their chances in the sky.
20:03They have a lot of ballistic missiles.
20:05They could hurt us.
20:05They could do damage to Israel.
20:07But every day that goes by in the war, they get less capable.
20:11We get more because we have such a dominant advantage.
20:14There is risk associated with taking the regime down militarily.
20:20But the risk compared to the risk of doing nothing is small.
20:25When you were in Munich, you were alongside Reza Pahlavi, the conference of Iran.
20:31Do you think that he would be the right person to come in?
20:33I think he'll be one of the right people, but the right person or the right groups will be chosen
20:38by the Iranian people.
20:39You know, everybody asks me what happens next.
20:41Well, I don't think the Iranians are in the street to say we'd like to be oppressed more.
20:46It seems to me they want less Ayatollah and not more Ayatollah.
20:50It doesn't seem to me that they are out in the streets to build a nuclear weapon to blow everybody
20:54up.
20:55It seems to me they're out in the streets just to demand a better life, better food, better housing, better
21:02living conditions.
21:03Not living in a country so wicked and, you know, sick, really.
21:08Nothing describes the darkness better than the Iranian regime under the Ayatollah.
21:15Nothing explains the light better than the protesters in Iran and the IDF and associated groups who've taken the fight
21:25to radical Islam after October the 7th.
21:28They represent, I think, the best in humanity.
21:33Okay?
21:33One last question.
21:34Military option alone can honestly overthrow this regime?
21:38Do you honestly believe that the military option by itself can overthrow this regime?
21:42I think what will happen to the regime is it will lose its power to maintain its hold over the
21:46people.
21:46Now, how do you do that?
21:48You kill the people who do the killing.
21:50See if the next guy wants to volunteer knowing what happened to the one before.
21:54You decapitate the regime, you go after the infrastructure that allows them to torment the people,
22:00and you stay committed, and you stay determined, and the people are out in the streets, they're in the homes.
22:09I think we have a wonderful opportunity, a magical opportunity, to end the terrorism caused by the Ayatollah's regime.
22:17And, again, two things.
22:18The response of Israel after October the 7th has gotten us to this point because they've been pounding the hell
22:24out of Iran,
22:24and the people now are in the streets demanding a better life.
22:28Those two things together, I think, are the best explanation as to why regime change is likely.
22:35Wouldn't it entail American troops on the ground in Iran?
22:39We don't need American troops on the ground in Iran, but we need America understanding the threats over here can
22:46come home.
22:47Nineteen hijackers in Saudi Arabia killed 3,000 Americans.
22:51The only reason they didn't kill more is they couldn't find a way to kill more of us.
22:54So you've got to have some of us over here, but we don't need boots on the ground in Iran.
22:58We need to partner with Israel if we do a military operation to make sure we get the highest and
23:03best benefit of our capabilities.
23:06To those who believe you should confront evil, you're right.
23:10To those who believe it doesn't exist, you're wrong.
23:13To those who want to appease, it never works.
23:16We've got a chance here to stop this regime.
23:19History would judge yours poorly if we let the Ayatollah off the hook.
23:23How many times could we have stopped Hitler?
23:25A bunch.
23:27Somebody probably asked in 1935, what would Germany look like if you killed Hitler?
23:31I wish somebody had tried successfully.
23:34So you're speaking about killing the Ayatollah?
23:37The Ayatollah represents evil incarnate to me.
23:41What do you think about your boss?
23:42That President Trump, even the Prime Minister of Netanyahu, would you like to strike around?
23:47What is a missile program?
23:49If we're not to talk to us.
23:51I think it's not lost upon anybody.
23:53We're sending military capability into the region, the United States,
23:57to supplement what our friends in Israel have if we have to use the military option.
24:01To anybody who believes that the Ayatollah can withstand all of this and stay in power and
24:07not affect the United States, you're wrong.
24:10If this man, the Ayatollah, and his regime survive all this bluster, then not only does
24:17Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Houthis not go away, they come back stronger.
24:21The likelihood of normalization under those conditions is zero.
24:25The Arabs will go back in their corner.
24:27Trying to get a better deal with Putin in Ukraine goes to zero.
24:31You'll see how we said one thing and did another in the Mideast.
24:35It will affect us in Russia or Ukraine.
24:37We'll make it more likely China will take Taiwan.
24:39The opposite is true, too.
24:41If we follow through, if we have to, and we deliver a decisive blow working with the Iranian
24:46people to end this nightmare in Iran, then a new dawn breaks, something that nobody even
24:52envisioned two years ago becomes more likely than not.
24:56Thank you.
24:58Thank you.
25:01We did it.
25:04Thanks, Dr. Graham.
25:05Did you come to my question a little about that station?
25:08You had a...
25:09No, I've said before, I don't think there will be a...
25:13I don't think there will be a trying to flow to this one.
25:14I think there will be a trying to...
25:16But that's what they're doing.
25:18I believe there's all even more.
25:20Have you come on to the NPA?
25:21Did you talk about it with the program?
25:26No, today.
25:28Okay, thanks.
25:35Thank you.
25:59Thank you.
26:00Thank you.
26:02Thank you.
26:03You're welcome.
26:05Thank you.
26:06Thank you.
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