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06:38y en términos de gran unión de Estados Unidos, Europa y Ukraine.
06:43Y Greenland no está completamente, en un modo, solucionado.
06:46Y creo que el presidente del presidente de la Comunidad
06:47fue muy claro sobre eso.
06:49¿Y crees que Greenland puede ser el próximo?
06:51Porque lo escuchamos de Mette Fridriksson,
06:53el presidente de la Comunidad de la Comunidad,
06:55que Donald Trump es muy muy serioso
06:58sobre el embajador de la Comunidad.
06:59¿Puedes agree con ella que hay un gran riesgo
07:02para la Comunidad de la Comunidad?
07:04Pero, claro, el problema es que hay un intercambio
07:07entre lo que los Danes y los Européens están tratando de hacer,
07:10que es mejorar su apoyo a Greenland,
07:13tanto en la seguridad y en la economía,
07:15que es un razonable modo de addressing
07:20posibles vulnerabilidades out there,
07:22y el presidente de la Comunidad de la Comunidad
07:24que solo tiene un personal,
07:26que solo quiere tener esa pieza de estate.
07:30Él está pensando como Manhattan real estate mogul,
07:35así que no tiene un muy razonable
07:37approachado a eso.
07:37Y eso es el mismatch que creo que
07:40los Danes están tratando de manejar
07:42con el proceso de diplomático.
07:44¿Cómo lo que el proceso de diplomático
07:45va a mantener las cosas juntas?
07:47Este es el gran problema.
07:49Creo que tenemos que estar listos para la próxima crisis.
07:52Y, claramente, el show de unidad
07:53de los Européens en addressing
07:56la Comunidad de la Comunidad de la Comunidad
07:58worked once and may have to work another time,
08:00but we'll have to be willing
08:02to put even more skin in this game.
08:04You obviously shaped NATO policy
08:06for many years.
08:08Do you think there's a real crisis
08:09within the HQ here in Brussels?
08:12You know, we heard EU leaders,
08:14von der Leyen,
08:15talking about reactivating
08:16the EU's own defence clause
08:18over the weekend,
08:19seemingly because they cannot rely
08:20on NATO's Article 5.
08:22Is the NATO alliance,
08:23as we've known it for decades,
08:25now dead?
08:25It's gone.
08:26Well, I think it's not reactivating
08:28the EU mutual defence clause,
08:30it's making it real as a start
08:33because it's never been taken
08:34really seriously.
08:36But on your NATO question,
08:37I think we are entering
08:39the age of parallel universes
08:40where NATO is still going to be there.
08:43It's still a very much
08:45a valid option for the Europeans,
08:48both in terms of US
08:49extended nuclear deterrent,
08:51but also in terms of framework
08:53to plan and prevent
08:55the next war against Russia.
08:57However, clearly,
08:58what you hear in the corridors,
09:00but also in the main hallway,
09:02is that we need to start
09:03thinking about Plan Bs.
09:05And for that,
09:06you're going to have
09:07the European Union,
09:08but you also are going
09:09to have increasingly
09:10the development of coalitions,
09:13like the Coalition of the Wheeling
09:15for Ukraine,
09:16which maybe is going to be
09:17put with more substance,
09:18or the Joint Expeditionary Force
09:21that is led by the UK.
09:22So I think you're going
09:23to have the multiplication
09:24of all these Plan Bs
09:26in response to the fact
09:27that, answering your question,
09:29I think the US has introduced
09:30a very significant doubt
09:32as to its commitment
09:34to Europe via NATO.
09:36And therefore,
09:36NATO is still going to go on,
09:38but it's no longer
09:39the one and only Plan A.
09:41Fabrice Potier,
09:42that's all we have time
09:43for this morning.
09:44But thank you so much
09:45for coming on and joining us
09:46and sharing your insights.
09:48Now, as we mentioned there,
09:50the President of the European Commission
09:51said in Munich over the weekend
09:53that the EU needs to bring
09:54its own mutual defence clause
09:57to life,
09:58saying,
09:59you change or you die.
10:00Our reporter,
10:01Jakob Janis,
10:02has been scouring
10:03through the EU treaties
10:04in search of this
10:06little-known
10:06mutual defence clause.
10:10Did you know
10:11the EU has its own
10:12mutual defence clause?
10:14Your reporter didn't.
10:16But suddenly,
10:17it is the hottest topic
10:18in Europe.
10:19Just days ago,
10:21the head of NATO
10:21told Europe to
10:22keep dreaming
10:23if they think
10:24they can defend themselves
10:25without the US.
10:27But the EU Commission
10:28President fired back.
10:30Independent Europe
10:31just means
10:31let's develop our strength
10:33without constantly
10:34leaning on someone else.
10:36And part of her plan
10:37involves a little-known rule,
10:39the Article 42.7.
10:42So,
10:42what is it?
10:44It says
10:45if an EU country
10:46is attacked,
10:47all their members
10:48have an obligation
10:49to help.
10:50And on paper,
10:51the wording
10:52seems to be stronger
10:53than NATO's famous
10:54Article 5.
10:55It doesn't even require
10:57a unanimous vote
10:58to activate.
10:59But there is a catch.
11:01The EU is not
11:02a military alliance
11:04and it lacks
11:05a unified command structure.
11:07And it leaves it
11:08up to each country
11:09to decide how to help,
11:11which does not
11:11automatically mean
11:13sending troops.
11:15And in fact,
11:15it has only been
11:16triggered once,
11:18after the 2015
11:19Paris attacks.
11:20Plus,
11:21there is a trust gap.
11:23When Eastern European nations
11:24look for a true
11:26security shield,
11:27they look to NATO,
11:28not Brussels.
11:31But with Washington
11:32demanding Europe
11:33to take over
11:34its own conventional defense
11:35and with growing doubts
11:37around the future of NATO,
11:39the clock is ticking.
11:41The EU is also wondering
11:43what happens
11:44if the US closes
11:45its nuclear umbrella
11:47over Europe.
11:48And building
11:49a fully independent
11:50European nuclear shield
11:51would cost billions of euros
11:53and take time.
11:55So Europe has the treaty
11:57and the article.
11:58Now it just must build
12:00the military strength
12:01to back it up.
12:07Jakob Janis reporting there.
12:09Now,
12:10as we just heard,
12:11European leaders
12:12are reigniting
12:13the debate
12:14on a common
12:14European nuclear umbrella
12:17amid the continued
12:18threats from Russia
12:19and eroding trust
12:21in the US.
12:22Joining me in the studio
12:23to explain more
12:24is our defense reporter,
12:26Alice Tidy,
12:26also freshly back
12:28from Munich for us.
12:29Good morning.
12:30Alice,
12:30lots of Europeans
12:31talking about this
12:32over the weekend,
12:33the need for a common,
12:35homegrown
12:35European nuclear deterrence.
12:38Why now?
12:39Well,
12:40basically,
12:41the Europeans,
12:42although they've gone
12:43to great lengths
12:43over the past week
12:44to say that they believe
12:45that the US
12:46is fully committed to NATO,
12:47that they believe
12:48it is committed today,
12:49tomorrow,
12:49that it will be in 10 years,
12:50that it will be in 20 years,
12:51there are still a lot
12:53of concerns
12:54over that commitment.
12:55I mean,
12:55remember that last year
12:58Washington cast doubt
12:59over its commitment
13:00to Article 5,
13:01so Europeans responded
13:01by more than doubling
13:02their spending target
13:03within the alliance.
13:04And yet this year
13:06we had Trump saying
13:07that he would
13:08forcefully seize Greenland,
13:09so that cast a lot
13:11of doubt
13:11over the very existence
13:12of NATO.
13:13And obviously the US
13:15has also said
13:15that he wants
13:16to pull back,
13:17but there's a lot
13:17of unsaid yet
13:19over how that partial
13:20pullback would happen
13:21and whether or not
13:22this could include
13:23the nuclear deterrent,
13:24right?
13:24So over the weekend,
13:25indeed,
13:26we had French President
13:28Emmanuel Macron
13:28announcing that he
13:29had held strategic dialogue
13:31with Chancellor Mertz
13:33on this topic
13:34as well as
13:35with other EU leaders.
13:36He didn't name
13:37those other EU leaders,
13:38but we know,
13:39for instance,
13:40that the Latvian PM,
13:42Evika Selina,
13:43said that she would be
13:45open to that discussion.
13:47We also had
13:48the Polish President
13:49yesterday telling
13:50Polish media
13:51that he wants
13:52his armed forces
13:54to look into
13:55the nuclear potential.
13:56And I also spoke
13:58with the Finnish
13:59Defense Minister,
14:00Antti Hakkinen,
14:01on the sidelines
14:02of the conference,
14:03who said,
14:04and I quote here,
14:05inside NATO,
14:06it's clear that the US
14:07is ironclad
14:08committed to nuclear
14:09deterrence.
14:10It's good news
14:11if the European
14:12nuclear states
14:13are investing
14:13to build up
14:14even stronger
14:14nuclear capabilities,
14:16but to compensate
14:17the US,
14:18that's not the question
14:19now.
14:19So Finland would be
14:20open,
14:21but again,
14:22this European
14:23deterrent
14:23would have to
14:25complement the US
14:26and not compensate it.
14:28So it's clearly
14:28an idea gaining
14:29traction among
14:30European leaders,
14:31but at the same
14:32time,
14:32Alice,
14:33it's still
14:33very,
14:34very divisive,
14:35this question
14:35of nuclear
14:36rearmament.
14:37And we heard
14:37from the Spanish
14:38Prime Minister
14:39Pedro Sánchez
14:40clearly voicing
14:41some reservations
14:42about this.
14:43Yes,
14:43it did.
14:44Sánchez was at
14:44the Munich
14:45conference
14:46and he made it
14:46clear he's not
14:47for nuclear
14:48rearmament.
14:48And in fact,
14:49he said that
14:50the nuclear
14:52deterrence
14:52is far too
14:53costly,
14:54far too risky,
14:56is far too risky
14:57way of avoiding
14:57conflict.
14:58And he said
14:59that what it
15:00involves,
15:00the risks
15:01it involves,
15:01are actually
15:02more of a gamble
15:03than a guarantee
15:04for European
15:04security.
15:05Clearly still
15:06some divided
15:07opinions on
15:07that subject,
15:08but thank you
15:08so much
15:09for bringing
15:09us that update.
15:11Moving on
15:11now to
15:12something
15:12completely
15:13different.
15:13The Berlin
15:14Film Festival
15:15has only been
15:15running for a
15:16few days
15:17yet already
15:18there is
15:18significant
15:19controversy
15:20over comments
15:20made by
15:21members of
15:22the jury.
15:23To explain,
15:24we can cross
15:24over now
15:25to Berlin
15:25where our
15:26correspondent
15:27Laura Fleischmann
15:28is standing
15:29by for us,
15:30I believe.
15:30Laura,
15:31good morning.
15:31Bring us
15:32up to speed.
15:33What has been
15:34happening here?
15:37Well,
15:38at first
15:38everything
15:39seemed to go
15:39smoothly
15:40at the
15:40Berlinale,
15:41but then a
15:42German journalist
15:43asked a
15:43question at a
15:44press conference
15:45with a jury
15:46of the
15:47festival.
15:47He accused
15:48them of
15:49what he
15:49called
15:49selective
15:50solidarity
15:51only with
15:52Iranians
15:52and Ukrainians,
15:53but not
15:54with
15:54Palestinians.
15:55And one
15:56of the
15:56festival's
15:57jurors
15:57then responded
15:58that there
15:59are many
15:59conflicts
15:59going on
16:00worldwide
16:01that don't
16:02get any
16:02attention
16:02at the
16:03festival
16:03either.
16:04But what
16:04really sparked
16:05controversy
16:06was the
16:06response
16:07by Wim
16:07Wenders.
16:08He is
16:08the president
16:09of the
16:09jury
16:10and a
16:10very famous
16:11German
16:11filmmaker.
16:12He said
16:13that the
16:13festival is
16:15a counterweight
16:16to politics
16:17and this
16:18even led
16:18an Indian
16:18writer to
16:19pull out
16:20from the
16:20festival
16:20altogether.
16:21But let's
16:22hear what
16:22Wim Wenders
16:23actually said
16:24at the
16:24press conference.
16:25We have
16:26to stay
16:26out of
16:27politics
16:27because
16:29if we
16:30made
16:33movies that
16:34are
16:35dedicatedly
16:36political,
16:37we enter
16:38the field
16:38of politics,
16:39but we are
16:39the counterweight
16:40to politics.
16:41We are
16:42the opposite
16:43of politics.
16:44We have
16:44to do
16:45the work
16:45of people
16:46and not
16:46the work
16:47of politicians.
16:49Yes,
16:49and Laura,
16:50it's also
16:51true to
16:52say that
16:52these film
16:53festivals,
16:53including
16:54the Berlinale,
16:55are usually
16:55highly political,
16:57very politically
16:58charged.
16:58Why the
16:59sudden change
17:00in tone
17:01here?
17:04Indeed,
17:04the Berlinale
17:05is known
17:05as a highly
17:06political
17:07film festival
17:08and it
17:08still is.
17:09There are
17:09many
17:10political
17:10statements
17:11being made
17:11on the
17:12red carpet
17:12at press
17:13conferences,
17:14but the
17:15change in
17:15tone could
17:16be due
17:16to Germany's
17:17history,
17:18especially in
17:19regards to
17:19the Holocaust
17:20and in
17:21regards to
17:22World War II.
17:23Israel is a
17:24highly sensitive
17:24topic here in
17:25Germany and
17:26this could be
17:26the reason
17:27why Wim Wenders
17:28is hesitant
17:29in regards to
17:29Palestine and
17:31in politics
17:31in general,
17:32but it could
17:33also be due
17:34to anti-Semitism
17:35being linked
17:36to some
17:36pro-Palestinian
17:37protests here in
17:38Germany.
17:39There are
17:40anti-Jewish
17:40chants,
17:41there are
17:41anti-Jewish
17:42and anti-Israel
17:43signs at
17:44some protests
17:44that aren't
17:45against the
17:46government but
17:47against the
17:47whole country's
17:48existence.
17:49So this could
17:49be a reason
17:50why movie makers
17:51and actors don't
17:52want to be linked
17:53to this topic
17:54perhaps,
17:54and also there
17:55has been a
17:56spike in
17:57anti-Semitism
17:57as of recently
17:58here in Germany.
18:00And the
18:00festival's director,
18:01Trisha Tuttle,
18:02even came out
18:03and supported
18:04Wim Wenders
18:04after the
18:05controversy.
18:06She said that
18:07it is as of
18:08recently oftentimes
18:09expected of
18:10movie makers and
18:11actors to make
18:12political statements,
18:13but they're mainly
18:14at the film festival
18:15to promote their
18:16work, their
18:17movies.
18:17They want to
18:18talk about what
18:19they did.
18:20They don't want to
18:20talk about politics
18:21perhaps, and it is
18:22their right of free
18:23speech to talk
18:25about whatever they
18:26please.
18:26They can decide to
18:27not talk about
18:28politics, and they
18:30can also decide to
18:31talk about them,
18:32but they get
18:33criticized either way.
18:34That's what Trisha
18:35Tuttle said after
18:36the controversy
18:37broke loose.
18:38Laura, thank you
18:40so much for that
18:41update on the
18:42controversy surrounding
18:43the Berlinale Film
18:44Festival in Berlin.
18:45But that's it from
18:46us for today.
18:48We'll be back at the
18:48same time, same
18:49place tomorrow.
18:50In the meantime, if
18:52you want to read more
18:53about the stories we
18:54covered on today's
18:55show and all the
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