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We trace how elite sports medicine drives everyday care, from stem cells to plant-based topicals, and weigh the real costs of “playing through it.” We also confront concussion protocols, incentives, and the uneasy balance between safety and spectacle.
• origin story from Malaysia to Tampa and into sports care
• why pro athletes fund and validate new therapies
• insurance barriers and the slow path to coverage
• stem cell signaling, affordable plant-based topicals
• allergies, honey, and root-cause elimination methods
• realities inside the NFL: contracts, pressure, and risk
• concussion protocols, CTE, and equipment limits
• how to do right by athletes over a full career
• practical recovery principles for non‑pros
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Exploring more of the fascinating intersection of Activism, Community Engagement, Faith / Religion, Human Nature, Politics, Social Issues, and beyond
We trace how elite sports medicine drives everyday care, from stem cells to plant-based topicals, and weigh the real costs of “playing through it.” We also confront concussion protocols, incentives, and the uneasy balance between safety and spectacle.
• origin story from Malaysia to Tampa and into sports care
• why pro athletes fund and validate new therapies
• insurance barriers and the slow path to coverage
• stem cell signaling, affordable plant-based topicals
• allergies, honey, and root-cause elimination methods
• realities inside the NFL: contracts, pressure, and risk
• concussion protocols, CTE, and equipment limits
• how to do right by athletes over a full career
• practical recovery principles for non‑pros
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CTP Audios: https://tinyurl.com/CTPonBuzzsprout
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00:00hello welcome to another episode of first institutionalist podcast i am your host
00:07joseph m leonard that's l-e-n-a-r-d it looks french it's not it's leonard without an o
00:16thank you for tuning in as graham norton used to stay on his show let's get on with the show
00:26this special segment intro is for february specials i'll be running two a week rather than
00:36one special a week on wednesdays tuesdays and thursdays in february to get caught up on some
00:44of the interviews and as graham norton currently says he used to say let's get on with the show
00:51and i use that normally but he uses now and i'm gonna borrow from him again let's get some guests
00:59on joining me today is tommy re although there's an h in there t-o-m-m-y-r-h-e-e so rahee
01:13pronounce rudy and he is a shorts doctor he'll help you look good in your running shorts
01:21oh no wait a minute that's a sports doctor one letter makes a difference right that's awesome
01:29hey you know things are too serious we gotta keep a sense of humor yes
01:37yeah it's good that's good you you've made my you made my afternoon here i love it that's awesome
01:43there's there's so much difference between uh removing or adding it i love it yep yep and of
01:51course in post video versions i will have your name at the bottom as well as i'll ask you for
02:00your website at the end we'll put that in the bottom too as the scrawl but we're not there yet
02:07we're just getting started so let's start with uh where were you born and raised where are you now
02:15significant places you may have been in between how much time you spent in prison for what
02:22well i guess you know i was born in malaysia uh city called jehol bar right outside of
02:30uh singapore and uh not to be confused with star wars jar jar binks
02:35what do i think people these are jokes
02:42and then um and then of course my parents my dad was a doctor surgeon in the uh the outskirts of
02:52malaysia and then um he decided to come to united states so a couple years after that uh we came to
02:59united states uh we first landed in chicago and in chicago uh my dad because he was a surgeon then
03:06he had a transfer license over and went to some schools and then lo and behold we're in chicago
03:10for a couple years and then uh ended up in tampa florida tampa florida was pretty much raised
03:16and in tampa uh you know i was introduced to everything from fishing and outdoor life and
03:23and the winter weather is a lot better yeah i saw it and then um really sports sports got me
03:30involved with a lot of good events of like football baseball soccer i loved it all love
03:35anything that was outside and you're moving around love to enjoy that time and so you know
03:40knowing that i'm going to be in that world of sports i just want to see where i can take that
03:45and of course i can't be a professional athlete i'm not that tall so then i see my dad's lifestyle
03:49i see no you're not a basketball center no so then there i go so then i'm thinking like well
03:58i can be like my dad but being a sports world and that's how sports you know sports medicine and
04:03sports chiropractic came about and then throughout that process you know i developed a keen into the
04:11ability to like listen to patients or athletes and figure out what their issues are and work my
04:16kind of like that that therapy and understanding about recovery regeneration and healing and that's
04:22how i moved into this world of regenerative medicine so it's kind of one of those tracks that
04:26you just kind of fall into and it just developed on its own well and i think it's important a lot of
04:32people think of it as somewhat frivolous or you know those whiny overpaid athletes blah blah blah
04:40but we learn a lot out of medicine through sports and sports injuries that relate over to us
04:49normal people who don't play sports yes yeah absolutely i mean look look at everything cutting
04:56edge that you are basically seeing it's it's it's not the cutting edge of athletes they're the ones that
05:02want the edge right they want the edge to play better recover faster and do everything that can you know
05:07enhance their ability to perform so that includes therapy that includes any machine any uh stem cell
05:14issue anything that has that ability to get them back to normal so yeah absolutely athletes are the
05:19first to penetrate that world and it trickles down to people like you know weekend warriors and just
05:24everyday people yeah exactly and uh i was gonna say something about sports but now i've forgotten what it
05:34was but indeed i mean we all usually when we're younger unfortunately too many helicopter parents
05:43are keeping kids out of sports and that can hurt their health because we they're not active that can be
05:51a problem in and of itself yes oh absolutely you know i think the biggest learning uh tool that we had
05:59when i was growing up is your own mistakes you have to go through your own mistakes and then you have to
06:04solve your own issue there's nothing worse than knowing that that no matter what happens i'll
06:09figure it out but now these days i mean now these days these kids right now when they make a mistake
06:14they're looking for the help they're looking for the someone that gives them solutions and then
06:17there's their helicopter mom giving them the help and they think that you know as an adult the
06:22government though somebody's going to help them out you've got to get down to the basics of learning
06:26the lessons of what really is applied to us from our kids exactly if yeah you know life isn't fair as
06:34they say there isn't always going to be someone to help and bail you out like your parents do
06:39eventually you're supposed to grow up be an adult and able to take care of yourself but as you said yeah
06:47too many get this mindset oh uncle sam will be mommy and daddy uh so yeah don't mean to go down that
06:57road a long way but i'm glad you brought that up and i remember what it was i've had health weeks on
07:05and i've had various health people on for this that the other thing on and off before and after that
07:12but i didn't have anyone directly in sports medicine which is why i was anxious to be able to talk to you
07:23and indeed relate as we already have uh like so many things certain sectors of society may
07:35get something or see something or can afford something first and without that without them
07:45it never then can become mainstream and lower cost and funnel down to the rest of the cyst
07:54you know to be political again they eat the rich mentality well if not for them affording some of this
08:02stuff it never comes into being at all to then eventually become less expensive and funnel down
08:10to us reasonable statement yeah and maybe that's the thing is that you have to understand where you're
08:16at in the developmental or the discovery portion of it right so everybody look it's a business right
08:22in the medical side of it in western medicine it's a business they're trying to capitalize on their
08:26little invention and yeah it's understood but the problem is the end user right they're the ones
08:32they get hurt right because they can't afford it or they're missing out on this new drug or new
08:37technique that that can help them but again it's not really like coupled with what the insurance you
08:45have to think about what the insurance is going to like you know to pay for so if it's out of their
08:50scope meaning that's too experimental but we know it works they won't pay for it until they find out at
08:55the very end it goes wow you can make money on the insurance side and save money on the insurance side
09:00so they say okay win-win let's do it so it takes a time for that type of like evolution to get involved
09:06with that kind of savings down to the last person but the neat thing about like like really discovering
09:12things and understanding where this technology is going with regenerative medicine stem cell therapy
09:16if you really understand the signaling and then now you're trying to find out there's got to be
09:22something else that you can signal from like you know stem cell therapy which is a very expensive
09:27procedure right then you do the what i have is a topical but then you start thinking about or
09:31there's got to be more information that i can get that can do the same thing as these human tissue type
09:38of likes information or signals then you start thinking about okay how can i do that and then the
09:42discoveries of like plant-based plant-based is what's going to be the next wave and the neat thing
09:48about plant-based the cost is so much more inexpensive and it goes right to the consumer no more middleman
09:55of the doctor it goes right to the patient so you can buy it online say this will do instead of masking
10:00the pain it'll go to the source heal the pain so then it reduces the pain yeah that another good example
10:08i thought of was like surgical advancements uh tommy john surgery uh all all kinds of surgeries
10:17that help athletes that these sports uh entertainment industries generate a lot of money so there's a lot of money
10:29to be able for these people to afford them in the experimental stage they become perfected and more mainstream
10:40but without that phase it's not likely to ever trickle down to everyone else and i i'm i'm with you on like
10:50we're returning to homeopathic a little bit more recognizing more of the natural stuff now honey
10:58i always talk antibacterial and antiviral properties well there aren't enough bees making enough honey for
11:09everyone to have a jar of honey a day right so yes some other alternatives sometimes might be needed an
11:20antiviral drug and anti or antibiotics for antibacterial but if you can manage to indeed afford it honey
11:31on a daily basis is one of those homeopathic antiviral antibacterial maintenance things we could do
11:42i think the big thing with like when you talk about honey you know like real natural honey
11:47you know my first my first thought is that when you think about like people that have allergies you
11:53know if you're in if you've got an allergy right one of the biggest thing and there you go
11:58one of the biggest things that combat that allergy reaction is honey because honey has that that
12:04that ingredient like for instance if you're like you know we got pollen season right the pollen is
12:08what honeys are made from right so but here's the thing about honey i don't know the actual like i'm not
12:14an expert when it comes to that kind of world but i just know that if you get a honey from your
12:18geographic area that you may have like some type of allergic reaction to some type of pollen
12:23the honey will combat that allergic reaction where you are now like not attacking it it's not going
12:29to be like one of those histamine reactions and it calms things down so now you're more more likely to
12:34not have that allergic or the sensitivity to that pollen because your body's built at antibodies
12:39so it's kind of interesting that or at least as bad a reaction yes it can help mitigate it
12:47yeah i pointed at myself i have all kinds of allergies to outdoor i don't cut my own grass i can't because
12:55i have allergies to weeds and things and my if i try to cut my lawn uh my sinuses will be a disaster
13:06for a week thereafter and i have a few like issues with some foods so yeah those those things
13:16unfortunately are something we all have to be aware of yeah i think the biggest thing is that
13:23you've got to figure out what is triggering these things right that's the big thing right we all try
13:28to figure things out because root causes as opposed to just treating symptoms all the time because here's
13:35the thing with sensitivity when you're sensitive to something it doesn't show up right away it shows
13:39up days maybe weeks later and then it takes a long process to really figure out what is that kind of
13:46sensitive item right so that's why it takes time and that's why people get confused like they think
13:51i'm sick or i'm having this like this these sinus issues and i don't know why just constant
13:56it's a hard homework but you have to go through the process of just doing that diligent movement of
14:02like eliminating one thing at a time and just seeing if that's the possibility and then do another
14:07one and do another one but it takes time it takes maybe two three four weeks for one ingredient
14:11one product one thing that may be a trigger yeah again you're here really to talk sports medicine
14:18so we're kind of way off topic but immediately came to my mind is how is it so many darn people
14:26all of a sudden have a peanut allergy
14:29you know what have we done with our diet that has screwed up our bodies over the last 20 30 years
14:40that everybody's got a peanut allergy all of a sudden but anyway yeah back to let's drop some names have
14:49you had any famous athletes that you could drop their name yeah i know that person because i've worked with
14:57them well i mean or do you have ndas and you can't disclose i mean i've been in the nfl world i was uh
15:08the doctor at ucla so there's athletes during that time and there's you know let's say 2000 and
15:132005 to 2008 of the ucla so we talk about all the sports and then when you look at the buccaneers i was
15:20with them uh as their team doctor of 2015 2018 and then um i was with wwe at 2014 and then i was with
15:32uh an athlete i can mention his name he was an olympian walter dix he was a fantastic 100 200 runner
15:39silver medal in the world championship and worked on which is timely because we're recording today
15:46behind the scenes is uh wednesday february 11th and the olympics winter olympics are on so that's
15:53a timely reference yeah so i mean as far as like names i mean i don't want to say too many names
16:00because it's like one of those things like he says like yeah i gotta be careful so anyways um i i know
16:06my caliber of athletes and then you know whatever you think you think i know is probably what i know so
16:11so we kind of you already kind of said your your youth and uh the direction you had when you were
16:26young kind of laid out why do you think if you'd have had a different upbringing sports medicine
16:34would you would have still been your thing i don't know how to ask that really and i don't know where
16:41i'm going with it really but well i think you're absolutely right i think my upbringing helped a
16:46lot but i think because of my dad and being a surgeon and a doctor and then there's relatives
16:52and uncles and aunts and everybody's a surgeon or a doctor or something you know so it was i don't
16:57know if it's like encoded in my genetics disposition to be a provider like like really like to help people
17:03and it's like my enjoyment is is seeing someone get better you know whatever they're dealing with get
17:10better and if you're truthful with yourself and to that patient and you know with knowledge and just
17:16what you think it is based on your like your your your how would you say like knowing the mechanism of
17:23everything that is the problem and understanding the the systemic around that problem and kind of
17:30coupling it all together and getting a good solution that's very promising for for my satisfaction
17:38i think the biggest the biggest thing about being in the sports uh being raised not so much in sports
17:46i was like a wild child so i had no other choice but be kicked out of the house and become like that
17:51physical person but i know that it's it's meant to be it's like something that it was it was like
17:56it was like you know like you get a dog that loves to like please their their owner right
18:02it that's the same thing with me with helping people it's just something that i enjoy it's it's
18:06it's nothing better than having an athlete come to my office and say i've got knee problem and then
18:12it's concerning because they're a professional athlete or they could be like collegiate athlete
18:16but they want to perform you get them back on the field and they perform 100 and they succeed they do
18:22well and then that reflects on your ability and treatment so that's where i get my enjoyment so it's it's a
18:30neat two-way street here so yeah uh excuse me pardon me uh no cough button here i don't have a fancy
18:40studio i'm doing this out of my living so but you mentioned the buccaneers fairly recently so the
18:51difference between attitudes then you know 20 30 especially 40 years ago especially
18:59in the nfl suck it up buttercup get back out there right versus today we care in part we care
19:10more about the person and in part it's a business decision and because i got 20 million dollars
19:17invested in you i need i can't have you on injured reserve forever so we need to handle the little
19:25things as we can so it don't become a bigger more serious thing the difference between you know 20
19:33years ago as opposed to 40 years ago in sports medicine you've seen that yeah man i see that like
19:42i i see both sides of that here's the funny thing you're absolutely right it's it's a team it's a
19:47professional business and their business is to win games and it you look at these athletes and they're
19:52getting paid well but they're a number they're just a number they're they don't have a human aspect of
19:57it if they don't perform and they're not on the field well it's the next person up and the worst
20:02thing about it these nfl players they don't have guaranteed contracts most of their contracts is
20:06based on performance so it's like i'm forced to go on the field because i won't get that special
20:12bonus that big money that they want now it it's a tricky it's a tricky slope because you want to have
20:20the athlete out there but you see the athlete have an injury that might be a season or a career
20:25ending injury but you need him on the field it could be one of those games that it's a you know
20:30win or lose situation to go to playoffs well what do you tell the athlete you're going to tell him
20:35the truth or you're going to tell him a little white lie you know like oh you're okay it's fine
20:39and then he takes a hit and there goes his knee and there goes his career so it's a it's a it's it's
20:45what you see in the past about you know like suck it up buttercup and now it still applies but it's
20:50it's it's kind of like dressed up in a different way it's dressed up like you know in incentives
20:55and you you put it to the ad that goes well you can be out but you're you know the agent or someone's
21:01going to address the tone goes you might not get that money that you really want okay i'm gonna go
21:05out there and then all of a sudden yeah they go in harm's way so it's it's a fine line it's it's it's an
21:10ugly business but it's it's for just pure enjoyment as far as a fan base they don't see the dirty side
21:16of this whole world yeah and every injury is an equal not all things are equal a stubbed toe is not
21:24the same as a sprained ankle it's the same as a fractured fibula or tibula or whatever right
21:32some injury yeah you know tape it up get back out there it's it's acceptable to do that but
21:39uh i think the biggest thing most will see now in the differences is the uh random off field
21:49official calling down hockey football especially concussion protocol wait a minute no send that guy
22:00to the tent comes a call from the stands that didn't exist 10 years ago yeah
22:08you know i there's a lot there's a lot of sad outcomes that come out of these athletes that
22:15retire you can you can see them you know you can see them going through their problems like you got
22:19brett farb that's going through something right now and then you see the other athletes that that
22:25sadly to say but you know they committed suicide because of their their fight against this um
22:30um this is sort of as a cte stuff so it it has its concern but then the ultimate thing is that it
22:39becomes like what's more important at the time is it money or worrying about the future of the ct so
22:45it's it's a it's a catch-22 i it's sad to save i mean it's very complicating you know everybody's
22:53concerned about the human being as far as the athlete but when you ask somebody that really cares about
22:59something it's about the team it's about winning the super bowl it's about going into the championship
23:04world you sacrifice for the team you go nobody sees what happens when the curtains are closed and then
23:10they're in their retirement they don't want to see that stuff they just want to remember them in their
23:14highlights and seeing oh i remember that guy they don't want to see things of what i see when they
23:19retire so there is that component of it it's tough but here's the thing they're trying to address it are
23:26they doing it correctly i don't know they're doing the only time will tell yes you know it's it's just
23:32it's just unique in its world it's just i i it's hard for me to comment on that because it's such a new
23:39type of like foresight into the future of this cte and making sure that they can you know clear the
23:46protocol before they return back on the field it's a lot of variables there so i i i see the concern
23:52and you don't want to have these retired guys that are all of a sudden going through that little
23:58you know that that cte syndrome and then showing up on games and it reminds the existing players
24:04that could be me in a couple years you know and then that's why it's like they try to hide these
24:08guys and behind the curtain so they don't see active players and it reminds the active players hey you
24:13might be this guy if you don't watch yourself so yeah it's an awful it's an awful confusion and
24:19equipment improvements come along too but still i mean they are more shock resistant helmets now but
24:29still there's the head on the one hand seems pretty darn resilient but on the on the one hand but on the
24:39other hand the brain is somewhat fragile so again it's that uh balance issue what we're trying to
24:51do the best to protect you but there's no such thing as putting a bubble around you this is football
24:59and here's the thing okay so you hear a lot of people complaining about the the rules of the nfl are
25:05changing for the safety for the safety when you start changing that it you change the dynamic of
25:09the game now you really are like putting themselves into a all offense and only a defense game because
25:15then you can't touch a quarterback like the kickoff rules yeah yeah so you're changing you're changing
25:21the feel of the nfl you know it's tough because this is entertainment right nfl is about and remember
25:28back in the days of the 90s and even 2000 right there it was all about the highlights of hits they were
25:33like if you if you saw like the nfl like money night it was all about like people just getting
25:37demolished same with hockey one of people oh we gotta take fighting out of the game but what sells
25:45the old vhs tapes fights a collection of the fights right it's all about being physical look i mean look
25:53at another popular sport ufc violent sport that's what sells you know getting violent and then the nfl i i
26:01know what they're trying to do they're trying to tell to everybody but they may like start losing
26:06the edge of what really the nfl's theme it's about winning but the violence to have that win occur so
26:14that's a tough thing you know if you just think about all the way back in the roman days with the
26:18gladiator sports i mean that was not just hurting they were dying out there and that was part of the
26:22sport you know last one standing so yeah we're definitely evolving but you gotta be you gotta be
26:28understanding that this is entertaining i mean i can appreciate the flag football league for what it
26:34is but if you turn the nfl into the flag football league i'm out yeah yeah i mean look look right now
26:43if you would it's here's a perfect example the uh the pro bowl right the pro bowl is a flag football
26:47event right and you watch that you're like okay that's neat but then you just turn on to any football
26:52even high school because that's more entertaining now you're looking at something that's you know
26:56because everybody wants to be on the edge you know nobody wants the outcome of these athletes
27:01but you still want that violence it's just part of our nature to see it so it's a very difficult
27:08subject to talk about and how to solve it i'm on the side with the athlete the fans i understand they
27:14want to see that kind of like that aggressive game-winning hit or touchdown and you know what it
27:20takes to become that person with all the violence so i understand the fans point of view but on this side
27:25as a doctor you're looking out for the health of the athlete not in the present for the future so
27:30there's again two sides of the coin so i totally understand both sides yeah and i really and there's
27:36a difference not every injury occurs a someone injured by a cheap shot that's a whole other thing as
27:45opposed to someone accidentally somehow got hurt and especially like uh all these antics with the you know
27:54you know they're trying to take celebrations out or they're allowing more of them in but if someone's
28:00doing a black backflip and they lined up hurting themselves well it's like well you brought that on yourself
28:09as opposed to an ink because i mean i remember the seismen leg shatter live on tv uh so yeah we we want
28:20to reduce chances of injury but there will always be chance of injury but do you know that hit joel
28:29theisman of course lawrence taylor gave him the hit right they replayed that so many times that was part
28:35of the nfl's commercial at one time it was something to brag about so nbc sports remember agony of defeat
28:43i was saying to someone just the other day lindsey vaughn will be now the new abc agony of defeat
28:50right had to be helicoptered off but yeah exactly it's these uh these traumatic scenes
29:02that garner the attention you know when i so when i was with the bucks and you know you travel to you
29:09know either a foreign team right you're at the either the philadelphia world or the san francisco
29:15or somewhere it's like a rome it's like a roman coliseum it feels like that you feel the the heartbeat
29:22of the fans underneath the the the the bleachers and stuff like you feel that throbbing it it really
29:28gets you going yeah i mean it if you really want to know what it feels like just watch gladiator
29:34that that scene of them approaching you know they're underneath and they're about to come out and they're
29:39approaching the gate and they're waiting at the gate same feeling same nervousness same anxiety and
29:46then the minute that they release it just feels like that the crowd roars people run out there and then
29:52all mayhem starts then so it's it's just like that and people love that balance and they of course they
29:59don't you know they don't want it to happen to an individual but in general you know look human
30:04beings they thrive on that stuff you know why do you slow down to see a car accident why do you yeah
30:09same thing it's just for humans and that same thing as you were saying the gladiator the anxiousness
30:16of when you get out and that's the other thing injuries are somewhat disguised by the adrenaline flowing
30:23at times you don't realize an injury is as bad you're not feeling it as bad because of all that
30:30adrenaline pumping yeah yeah it's it's it's such a unique world to be in to see the inner workings of
30:39that type of company the nfl and so the big thing that i would like to portray for my side is when it
30:49comes to athletes you want the best for them and the best for them is understanding that you know they're
30:55athletes they want to go out there and perform they want to make an earning and they want the best
31:00longest contracts and career and if that has to be sat down for a little bit the team has to work
31:07with them the team has to understand that it's tough because you know we live season by season
31:12right i mean that's all it is so they don't care about next year they want to do this year because
31:17look at a lot of facts here so you see these head coaches getting fired right away you see like just
31:22you know general managers everybody i mean it's just there is no team after so many failing
31:28seasons the fans dry up there's no money coming in changes will wholesale be made or the team gets
31:36sold off and sent somewhere else so yeah i get there's that pressure for the now it's got to be
31:44now everything about the now yeah so then as a provider you try to detract from that but the problem
31:50is is that it it's just the whole structure of that nfl world it's just meant to be that way
31:57and you see it and you identify that and your job is just do your best you can just just do your best
32:02by helping out that athlete and understanding what his wants and needs are i have before we go i want to
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