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00:00:00And now we go live to Venezuela to the National Assembly that is holding the second discussion on the amnesty lawless, listening at this moment to the statements of deputies.
00:00:10115 years of independence, 165 at the Federation and 27 of the Bolivarian Revolution.
00:00:16Today from here we rise this project of agreement in the voice of all Venezuelan youth that we fight on a daily basis for the homeland.
00:00:26We are here standing firm and we will keep fighting. This is all, citizen president.
00:00:40We are listening to statements of the presentation of this bill of agreement in the plenary session of today that has to do with the first point of the agenda, the legislative agenda for today's session.
00:00:53Concise, clear of our deputy, Cesar Perez.
00:01:00Now I'm going to give the microphone to Deputy Angelita Mayo.
00:01:09Please you may speak.
00:01:11Let's recall that if you are joining us at this moment, this is live images from the National Assembly in Venezuela that has to do with the presentation of an agreement to mark the day of the use that coincides with the march, the demonstration that is taking place in Venezuela.
00:01:29For me, a day like today would be very easy to speak on the things with which I'm not agreeing with the Bolivarian government.
00:01:36But if we agree or myself agrees with is that the country demands more from ourselves, not from hatred, not from the heart feelings, but from the reflection of what is the country that we want to do with.
00:01:46The country of Venezuelans and privileges, the country of Venezuelans and privileges, it is the country in which we are putting aside conflicts and hatred today.
00:02:01The homeland demands more than that, demands a high position in public aspects, and also transparency and honesty in resolving the problems.
00:02:16Venezuela requires consensus to build a political class to build a political class that is coherent and sustainable in time.
00:02:35It requires tolerance, it requires respect, it requires above all to have the capacity of believing truly in that Pluto Venezuela and Venezuelan of population.
00:02:46It is no time for the majority that is present in this National Assembly to impose their ideas over the rest of the people.
00:02:56Today, the moment that Venezuelans are living through, we need to take advantage of it to make that the history of this nation is nothing more than the conflict and the hatred and the useless debate.
00:03:09It is time for all politicians, it is time for all politicians to assume the responsibility of every speech, and we need to hold the hatred.
00:03:19And from my generation, and from my generation, it is time that the Venezuelan youth takes this opportune order, deputies.
00:03:26Thank you, President.
00:03:27It is time as well that the youth have the responsibility of being the interpreters of our own times to build the future stability of the nation.
00:03:38It is time as well that Venezuela can't handle, a new scream, a new battle.
00:03:44There has to be a change of behavior, a change of behavior on a daily basis in the way in which we relate ourselves.
00:03:52Since Bolivar left this world, we are not willing to follow the ideas of any empire.
00:04:01We have lost so many lives, and I wish I was speaking just about time.
00:04:07Today, an error from this National Assembly, from this political class, is going to have a high cost.
00:04:15If you have a recognition, the sector that represents the Democratic Alliance is for maintaining a conscious speech over the years,
00:04:24speaking of reconciliation, of dialogue, of peace, even when that does not generate popularity on social media.
00:04:31If we are due to be recognized, it is for being a rebellious person, but also for having a high political stance.
00:04:46If we need, if our political leaders from the Democratic Alliance is for spending five years drawing the peaceful solution of the Venezuelans,
00:04:58a solution that the national government didn't bet for it and remain stuck to an infertile dialogue.
00:05:11Now we are having a sincere dialogue and an honest dialogue.
00:05:15It is imperative to speak on the problems of the citizens that have nothing to do with the problems of the politicians.
00:05:22It is imperative to end the intolerance of the judicial abuses, and we need to speak without paying Venezuelan migrants
00:05:34and to occupy ourselves, to reunify the Venezuelan family.
00:05:39Today, the expectations are very high, and that is why we have to put ourselves into the work.
00:05:46I was five years ago standing in this very same parliament, speaking about dialogue when it was not popular,
00:05:54speaking about reconciliation when it was uncomprehended, and even in that moment, without doubt, I said the same thing.
00:06:03Today, to acting President Del CirobrĂguez, let's call for a great political dialogue with the Venezuelan youth.
00:06:11Let's call for a great, true and plural dialogue in which all of us are represented.
00:06:18Let's look into our eyes and into the problems of the Venezuelan people that decided to stay here in Venezuela to work,
00:06:26but also to insist in the construction of a Venezuela of respect, of tolerance.
00:06:32Let's look into the eyes of those young Venezuelans that, in spite of being awake and from very early in the morning,
00:06:40still do not have guarantees to buy a house, a car, or even to reach the next month.
00:06:46It needs to be part of the national agenda, and also the rising of the social services and the retirees payment,
00:06:55and also the money for the students, the university students, acting President Del CirobrĂguez imperative,
00:07:01that we speak with the Venezuelan youth, that's the most important dialogue that must access in Venezuela,
00:07:09because it is going to be the youth of Venezuela, the ones that are going to be in charge of building the stability of the future generations.
00:07:18One minute deputy, but likewise, I also call this National Assembly to debate a lot of opportunities for the Venezuelan youth,
00:07:27and the debate to be open wide enough so all of us are represented.
00:07:33I've said this before and I repeat it today, Venezuela do not belong to a political sector,
00:07:38and we cannot let ourselves to give the back to our liberators for that sacrifice that they did for us.
00:07:46today is overshadowed by the personal aspirations.
00:07:50Today, Venezuela, there is a youth that is ready, that also is ready to defend the interests of Venezuelans
00:07:57with respect, with tolerance and plurality, because the Venezuela that we want to build is that Venezuela of coexistence,
00:08:03but among all, of development and wellbeing and opportunities for future generations.
00:08:10Thank you, Deputy.
00:08:13No one else needs to speak at this moment. We are going to close. We are closing.
00:08:30Also, I hope that all deputies also speak in the following point of our agenda.
00:08:37In consideration, the honourable deputies that are in favour of approving the agreement of commemoration of the 212th anniversary of the battle of victory
00:08:50and the day of the Venezuelan youth, please raise your hands.
00:08:54It is approved by unanimity, by qualified majority, approved by unanimity.
00:09:15Next point, Secretary.
00:09:18Second discussion of the amnesty law for the democratic coexistence, according to what is established by the Article 106 of the Interior Reglement of the National Assembly.
00:09:28This is the second point.
00:09:30Thank you, Secretary.
00:09:31Thank you, Secretary. I'm going to give the floor to Deputy Jorge Reaza, that is, who is the President of the Special Commission for the drafting of the report for the second discussion of the amnesty law for the democratic coexistence.
00:09:47In other words, microphone for the deputy, please. Thank you very much. Thank you, President and Second Vice President.
00:09:57Congratulations. Today is the day of the youth for all the youth of Venezuela that have been actively participating in this consultation of a law, such a needed law, so necessary,
00:10:14that we ratify today, again, the coherence and the sense of the political movement of acting President del C. Rodriguez to propose it, not just like a general amnesty, but also with a last name amnesty for the democratic coexistence.
00:10:36We have assisted in these past six days of work into unnumberable meetings, assemblies, and we installed ourselves on Friday, February 6th, and we deployed ourselves throughout the national territory.
00:10:54On Saturday, on Saturday, we received the institutions of the administration of justice of system to the leaders of the powers in charge of administering justice in Venezuela, and we received their proposals directly.
00:11:09That same afternoon, we met with a group of non-governmental organizations that had a trajectory in the activism for human rights, and we listened as well to every proposal, to any suggestion, to any initiative, and also we incorporated a good part of what it was proposed.
00:11:32On Sunday, we were with the judges of peace, justices of peace of Caracas, they are the great mediators in the territory, but also it was transmitted for all justices of peace through CGTV and through other means, and that elevated into a group of assemblies as well that I'm going to mention here.
00:11:57On Monday, on Monday, we had a deployment, such as the members of the commission, like also as deputies, legislatures, councilmen and women from throughout the country, and we thanked their willingness to incorporate into this process with a huge sentiment to discuss this law.
00:12:18Even in the Guayana Sekiva, there was an assembly to discuss, to debate, and to make proposals to this bill.
00:12:28On Tuesday, on Tuesday, we received family members of detainees, of inmates. The meeting lasted for six hours, consecutive hours. We listened almost 100 interventions, and their initiatives and their circumstances are being considered as well.
00:12:48We also met with victims of the political violence of the 2013, 2014, 2017. We listened to the strong testimonies to losing a child in flames. For example, the lady, Ines Esparagoza, and that no one among those present, and besides the one that is from abroad, not even helped her child,
00:13:16her child, her kid, as he was set on fire. But also we listened to statements of victims from 2014, from 2017, from 2013, that lost their children, their wives and their husbands, and they have no hope of seeing them again.
00:13:38Also, we were working in the commission, Mr. President, I want to thank you, and I want to thank all of the members of this commission, without differences from any party, for their compromise, with also the Vice President, Nora Bracha, and also the Parliamentary Group,
00:14:03of the Parliamentary Group of the Homeland, for a discussion, such a sincere discussion, assuming the new political movement. There was debate, a good debate. We are coming out from a meeting at this moment, when there were given the final details, the final touch, but we also search for consensus for the people of Venezuela,
00:14:32for the people of Venezuela that deserves a law with which we all are happy with.
00:14:39Just to end this statement, in numbers, the numbers that we are going to hand over of the process of consultation, we have enhanced 2,700 initiatives by handwritten, but also we are receiving more initiatives to this amnesty law.
00:14:59And as I said, we performed assemblies throughout the nation in the 25 states of the nation, but also it reports Magistrate Tania D'Amelio, just a few moments ago, that the justices of peace were also motivated by the meeting we had, the commission on Sunday, last Sunday, and they did, in 2,267 communes, processes of consultation of this law, in which
00:15:28in which there are over 25,000 neighbors, women and men participated in this assemblies.
00:15:35And there's a special thanks for the justice of peace for their task, and I want to confess, at last, that to search for consensus, there are people who say, are signaling that we have had, that they have had so much patience for the debates, lasted for as long as it was needed, and it has been worth it.
00:16:00And we did so, as we were mentioning, when you presented the law, that Commander Hugo Chavez that arrived on the 13th and 14th of April of 2002 with his Christ, I also called her, his daughter Rosa, to ask where that Christ was, and she said, he has it in her pocket, in his uniform.
00:16:27And I have one very similar, that Admiral Carmen Melendez gave me, and I had it with me, in my pocket, for her to shine on us, and to lead us on the path of consensus and dialogue, and to favor the new political moment of understanding and reunification in the homeland of BolĂvar, and the homeland of that youth that today is marking an anniversary.
00:16:54Thank you, President.
00:16:55Thank you, President.
00:16:56Thank you, Deputy.
00:16:57Thank you, Deputy.
00:16:58I'm going to give the floor to Deputy Nora Bracho, Vice President of the Special Commission designated to draft the law for, Amnesty Law for Democratic Coexistence.
00:17:15You may have the floor.
00:17:22Good afternoon, Mr. President, colleagues, parliamentary colleagues, Venezuelans who listen to us at this moment.
00:17:43Today, we are not voting just for a single law, we are voting an opportunity, a historical opportunity for the country.
00:17:52Venezuela has left years of confrontation, persecution, and social fracture, and it has left jails, exile, and there have been families separated for reasons, some of them political.
00:18:08There have been profound pain in Venezuelans, and when a nation goes through this level of rupture, the answer cannot be simply to move the page.
00:18:25It must be justice with a future in our revision.
00:18:28That is why our parliamentary group, Libertad, insisted on something fundamental, an amnesty without missing parts, an amnesty without reparation, an amnesty with memory is fragile.
00:18:47And that is why we have put so much heart in working in this law.
00:18:52The reconciliation is not erasing history.
00:18:56It is dignified.
00:18:58It is not closing our eyes.
00:19:00It is to look at each other as a society.
00:19:03It is not surrendering before the conflict.
00:19:07It is overcoming it.
00:19:08Today, we send a clear message.
00:19:12Venezuela can correct.
00:19:15Venezuela can construct, build agreements that transcend beyond our differences.
00:19:23To the victims, we want to speak to them directly and with our hearts.
00:19:29This law is not pretending to substitute their pain, nor minimizing what we have been through.
00:19:38No law can do that, but it represents a path towards recognizing that there were a fracture, that there were affectations,
00:19:48that the Venezuelan state has the duty to guarantee security of Venezuelans, but also that never again it has utilized the power to follow those who think differently.
00:20:02That path never again is not rhetoric.
00:20:06We are affirming today in ratifying that the Islam must be wide, that it must include everyone, those political inmates to the exiles,
00:20:17to the persecuted, to those who think differently, that those that for political reasons are abroad from our space and our vision.
00:20:32To legislate, to debate, to represent is not to create a battle.
00:20:39It is having clarity in the principles and flexibility as well in the mechanisms to reach those principles.
00:20:46Venezuela needs stability.
00:20:49For there to be a democratic transition that for Venezuelans can dream with a future that offer them opportunities.
00:21:01Venezuela needs as well to close the cycle of persecution, of harassment.
00:21:07That the only thing it has attracted are painful moments for the country, for all Venezuelans, for you and for us and for those who are watching us from their homes.
00:21:20This law can be a point of beginning, the beginning point for a different chapter, for an area in which the respect for the constitution and the democratic coexistence is the rule and not the exception.
00:21:35In which having different opinions must not be a motive of persecution, in which pluralism is a strength and not a threat for anyone.
00:21:47In which no one has to feel fear for expressing their opinions, for thinking differently, for having a political stance.
00:21:58The history is judging those parliaments not for their intensity, one minute Deputy, thank you, but for the quality of their decisions.
00:22:10And the Amnesty Law could be an important step forward for this parliament in Venezuela.
00:22:16We ratify that today we need justice and we are betting for the encounter of the whole nation.
00:22:22We want peace with memory. We want a deep change in the institutionalization of our nations and that the victims and their families, we are speaking to them directly.
00:22:34And the civil society, through the organizations of human rights and the universities we say today.
00:22:40Thank you for all of your suggestions to this law. We hope that the final result is one that it was expected and it is a collective achievement.
00:22:50Today we support the majority of these articles, initial articles, with the conviction that a better nation is possible, with the conviction that the future of Venezuelans cannot be a hostage of conflicts.
00:23:05We hope that it is open at an era of respect to dissidents and that all of us understand, understand that all of us can coexist in the nation.
00:23:21I insist, in spite of our differences.
00:23:24A chapter of pluralism and respect of the freedoms of Venezuelans, that's what we wait for.
00:23:34The country is watching us. Thank you very much.
00:23:38As a license, given the importance of this debate that we have been holding about this bill, we gave the floor to the President of the Commission and to the Vice President of the Commission.
00:24:06There are two different visions of the same process that we have been having in thousands of assemblies and thousands of opinions compiled in the hundreds of assemblies held throughout the nation.
00:24:23But we want to highlight that it is needed that the second discussion corresponds for the discussion of article by article.
00:24:32It is not a moment to open a debate. Given the importance of both of their statements, that is why we gave the floor to the President and Vice President of this council as a license of our board of directors.
00:24:45Now we are going to jump into the process of discussion of the project of this bill. In consequence, citizen secretary, please read the informed
00:24:59response and do so highlighting as well the titles, the chapters, the articles and the seasons.
00:25:06First, we suggest to approve without modification the title of the bill that is redacted as follows. Lay of amnesty for the democratic coexistence. This is all, Mr. President, in consideration. Approved. Next.
00:25:23Second, we suggest to approve with modification the content of Article 1 that is written in the following terms. Article 1. This law has the objective to give a general amnesty and claim of the
00:25:52crimes committed in the crimes committed in the framework of the fact that the environment that we include in this law to promote social peace and democratic coexistence. This is all in consideration. Approved. Deputy Antonio Carrillo.
00:26:13Yes, Mr. President, colleagues, deputies, it is very important to
00:26:22to ratify the spirit of this law in its article one and the concepts and most important concepts of this law. Given the immense discussion and the braveness of having listened to all of us without exclusions, this article has a great importance. It is there were charges and changes and modifications for this article to be to wider the law.
00:26:51The objective of this law. The objective of this law is to put an end to fear in Venezuela. This is the most important thing. And to put peace and social peace and democratic coexistence goes through as well for not having fear. To put an end to arbitrariness and mistreatment. And one of the greatest things that we find as a result of this commission and the work of this commission that I also
00:27:21congratulate today is to congratulate today is to congratulate today is the immense patience of the president of the president and the vice president of both of them of assessing and also all of the members of the commission of assessing victims of both parts. And this is very important.
00:27:34to the families of the families of the inmate and also the families of the victims of this event. They had one common element and it is very important one that almost all of them 90% represented one single social class. That seems like there is a common victim of this conflict and that is the Venezuelan people. That is why it is necessary that this law. That is why it is necessary that this law is
00:28:04becomes a great instrument becomes a great instrument for coexistence. But this law is definitely the braveness of the consents and coexistence. This is very important that the country knows because of the importance and transcendence that we are of the things that we are debating here. That's the state to renunciate to the power of
00:28:33of sanctioning. That here we have a spirit of reparation. That here we have a spirit of reparation. Not of rupture. We have no spirit of rupture. We have a spirit and a national consensus to repair victims. To repair victims from both sides. That also evidence the immense deterioration of the judicial power and the citizen power. We have today
00:29:02the braveness of the braveness of the braveness of the braveness. We have today to have the braveness. It is not yelling at each other from one side to the other. Braveness is when two people that are very different look at each other's face and they are capable of reaching consensus and consolidate themselves in favor of the homeland.
00:29:32ĂŠlĂŠngation of the braveness is a little bit. We have to wouldn't have a
00:29:51also in in benefit of the peaceful coexistence and democratic coexistence
00:29:57we had committed some errors that also cannot be extended please follow
00:30:06strictly to what it corresponds from an internal
00:30:12that is the content of the article to finish thank you deputy thank you thank
00:30:23you deputy in consideration article 1 deputies that are in favor of approving article 1 just
00:30:35as it is included in the report please raise your hands it is approved by unanimity next
00:30:41point of the order of the day sorry next fourth we suggest to approve with with a little bit change
00:30:52that article 2 final finalities this is all consideration to the benefit we suggest to
00:31:02approve with modifications the content of article 2 that would be reading the following terms article
00:31:082 this law has as a finality first to contribute to the promotion of peace courses democratic
00:31:16coexistence rectification and reconciliation national reconciliation second to generate the
00:31:23conditions that favor the development of the national life public tranquility the democratic
00:31:30participation of pluralism third to promote the use of mechanisms of democratic mechanisms and
00:31:37constitutional mechanisms to assess the differences that may arise in the within the society and also
00:31:44to prevent that the events of the amnesty to repeat themselves again or to favor the reintegration to
00:31:54the public activity of the people benefited with this amnesty law this is sold thank you secretary in consideration
00:32:04deputy paulo perez has the floor no okay perfect in consideration approved six we suggest to approve with
00:32:15modification the nomination of of article three that is really in the following terms principles this is all
00:32:24in consideration in consideration to this fact approved approved so to change article three that would be
00:32:33written in the following terms article three this law is following the principles of and values of life free freedom
00:32:43and justice promptness equality solidarity democracy and responsibility social responsibility and in general
00:32:54the permanence of the permanence of the human rights ethics and pluralist political pluralism this is all
00:33:01precedence in consideration article three
00:33:12article three to incorporate peace as a principle and value fundamental value this is all
00:33:24i do agree let's let's let's vote with this adjustment made by the deputy mauro guerra deputies who are in favor
00:33:36with the reduction of article three incorporating the word peace inside the values and principles that that
00:33:46rule the law those who are in favor of modifying this article please raise your hands approved by anonymity
00:33:54citizen secretary please incorporate the term as one of the principles that aim the following law next we
00:34:03suggest to approve the nomination of article 4 that would be redacted in the following terms order public order
00:34:11and general interest this is all in consideration of the of this aspect approved next nine we suggest to
00:34:20approve it with modification with modification the content of article four that would be redacted in the following
00:34:25terms article four the dispositions of this law are from a public order and general interest this is all
00:34:33precedent in consideration of article fourth
00:34:38approved next 10th to suggest with modification topic with modification article five that is redacted in the
00:34:47that would be redacted in the following terms that would be redacted in the following terms article five in case of
00:35:06doubt in the interpretation or application of this law it will be adopted that that that benefits
00:35:14respect protection protection and guarantees of the rights of human rights including the principle
00:35:22this is all mr president
00:35:23that principle please lawyers help us it is it is due to be written in latin
00:35:34go ahead deputy yeah the principle is in latin and means that in case of doubt that would be in benefit
00:35:48of the inmate and also that article has a constitutional base in article 24 of the constitution it was an object
00:35:55just for a wide debate in the commission we held that this is if this is a constitutional norm
00:36:01it is it is it don't it do not requires to be established there but in a in benefit of consensus
00:36:11you can not use it in latin you can use it in in spanish president without problems deputy florida please
00:36:19in article 24 as deputy iris varera says at the end when there is a doubt it will be applied the norm that
00:36:44benefits that benefits the inmate and not that that snob word of in latin please go ahead deputy
00:36:54yes president also i mean in my personal opinion i also have confusions with this word
00:37:01but it is not that but please repeat yourself also i think i find controversial this this word in latin
00:37:13it is not in favor of the inmate it's in favor of the accused that's the translation it is not for that
00:37:21who is who is inside a jail but for the accused for the defendant and we use it in latin is that for
00:37:31it to favor the accused not the inmate but that discussion you would have had it in the year 1999 when
00:37:40you discuss the constitution of the bolivarian constitution i only i'm only in charge of the
00:37:47translation yes but the article 24 of the constitution says inmate well i'm not saying otherwise
00:37:55it is not contradictory to the constituent spirit but in benefit of what you said that you don't like
00:38:02the word of latin because you remember priests i what i'm explaining is that is in favor in the accused
00:38:09and not the inmate so you cannot put it including the principles contained in the article 24 of the
00:38:17constitution well yes that is valid perfectly well we could have saved those this time in consideration
00:38:29doctor in law that you are just you just finished your phd please i finished it in 2012 president
00:38:38i just finished it live is an eternal knowledge president by establishing the process of of
00:38:50transformation of the law in this house of the law we need to understand that in such a strict right
00:38:55of the constitution that establishes the right the law that is why all of the laws need to be in
00:39:02accordance with the content of the constitution that is the maximum norm
00:39:06and in that case that it is not included in the constitutional room we declare the duality of the
00:39:14constitution of the norm but as the norm says what is in abundance we can add it in accordance with
00:39:24what is established in article or according to article 24 of the of the national constitution we are
00:39:32developing developing the principle this is all thank you deputy we have a new reduction
00:39:41a new proposal for the reduction of this article the guarantee of human rights in accordance with
00:39:49what is established in article 25 that is how it would be in article 5 in any case of doubt in the application of this law that will be it will be adopted that that guarantees the human rights of according to what is established in article 24
00:40:17of the bolivarian constitution in consideration the police who are in favor of this reduction
00:40:26ultimate reduction please raise your hands approved by
00:40:32by unanimity
00:40:36next
00:40:3812 we suggest to approve with modification the nominee
00:40:42the nominee of article 6 that would be redacted in the following terms
00:40:47um temporary environment in consideration of the of this aspect approved
00:40:5513th to approve with modification the content of article 6 that would be redacted in the following terms
00:41:02article 6 the amnesty that contains article 1
00:41:07confronts all of the actions and omissions that constitute felonies or false committed
00:41:14between the january 1st of 1999 to until the moment in which this law is passed this is all
00:41:24in consideration of article six approved next
00:41:3714th we suggest to approve with modification the nomination of of chapter 7 that would be redacted in the
00:41:44following terms personal in personal environment in consideration with this aspect it is approved next
00:41:5415th we suggest to approve with modification the content of article 7 that would be redacted in the
00:42:00following terms article 7 the amnesty object of this law
00:42:07comprehend comprend includes the people who could be processed and condemned for their alleged or proven
00:42:15participation in felonies in the framework of the actions of amnesty as for as long as this right
00:42:26or can be put into effect after the effectiveness of this law give me a second secretary
00:42:34let's recall that if you are joining us at this broadcasting at this moment we are seeing live
00:42:44images to the second discussion of the amnesty law for the peaceful coexistence of the nation as
00:42:51established by the internal norms it is subjected to to discussion article by earth article
00:42:57let's listen this article let's listen this article would be perfectly redacted until the part where
00:43:04it says the act the events object of this amnesty we need to put a point and if there's an amnesty that
00:43:14has an object for the democratic coexistence and its objective democratic coexistence then i have to
00:43:23go from the part of the full respect of the constitution and that would let us to for this article to collide
00:43:32with with part of the constitution first article 21 21 that is the equality before the law every person
00:43:42is everyone is equal before the law and second article 49 number two of a constitution that also has to do
00:43:52with what it means that all everyone is innocent until it otherwise is proven so what is happening
00:44:01with this article that when you say for as long as they they are in in the right you are saying that the
00:44:09people the person that is going to be benefited with this amnesty law when it's put himself or
00:44:16herself in right you are signaling it as a guilty person and according with what we've seen during the
00:44:25discussion that also this council have been working with much responsibility and rigor rigor and rigor in
00:44:36meeting with that we held with families of the victims and with victims and many of the people who
00:44:42who are persecuted by by the people we have a huge problem judicial problem look article two of the
00:44:50constitution i wish all of we could put it here that says venezuela constituted itself as a state of law and
00:45:00justice that that proposes as higher values justice freedom peace etc etc that article and the spread of that
00:45:11article is what it must prevail and must regulate the amnesty law because there are the rights of all
00:45:20venezuelans as equals and that is what we are claiming so we are in this article we would ask of course in
00:45:29first case if the reduction can be left until that point whether we are mentioning to approve it unanimously or on the
00:45:38contrary would have to not offer our vote thank you deputy i'm going to give the floor to deputy it is
00:45:45valid it is but rela
00:45:50thank you president good afternoon
00:45:54what a regret for it is to be in a spirit of coexistence and to listen to voices that suddenly
00:46:04seems to this to not recognize that here on numerous occasions it has attended
00:46:11attacked the the venezuelan state this is the magnanimous actions of the acting president that is
00:46:19proposing uh one month after of a bombing to the republic proposes an amnesty law and calls for
00:46:29coexistence and calls for dialogue and right away they are
00:46:36portraying themselves in as voices that in which we would like to trust but like coexistence but it
00:46:42if there's something in which all venezuelans coincide is that what president nicolas maduro said
00:46:49that is the peace of the nation we are living in we are living at peace because president nicolas maduro
00:46:55in 2017 called for a national assembly for peace and that is why we have peace in the country a peace that
00:47:05have would have been on numerous occasions to be vulnerable to be attacked with the cuba 10 of 20 of
00:47:152002 against president chavez afterwards with the oil stoppage and then with warimbas during that decade
00:47:22of the 90s then with there were the episodes of the elections of president nicolas maduro in 2013
00:47:34then the terrible five years of the assembly of 2015 towards 2020 with all of that in entails here we have had even an assembly that extended their period and today cells recognize themselves as deputies and they are receiving money from stolen money
00:48:02from the public budget
00:48:09so here seems like no one wants to hold that these people not even
00:48:18recognize the crimes they committed it is good because the people who because those who launched
00:48:26the bomb against the nation was the united states okay they launched it
00:48:30but they also blocked us but who are the ones who asked for that who are the ones who allow that
00:48:37who are responsible for the the the victims of these abstract of these attacks where are the victims
00:48:42there is only those who are detained but are also those who were killed why when we speak about victims you
00:48:52do not recognize the process that here in 2002 during the coup against chavez they hired mercenaries from el salvador
00:49:02and the ones who brought those mercenaries to the nation are hidden
00:49:06away from justice and those snipers they killed eight and they killed hundreds and and also wounded hundreds of people
00:49:21what happened with the warimbas of 2017
00:49:26what happened with orlando figueras what happened with gisela rubilar that once one from time to time
00:49:37you can see them grotesque manipulations in which they are put in as they as if they were victims of the
00:49:44venezuelan state they are not they are victims of the violence that are looking today for an amnesty
00:49:50and that today they have not even the hum the humbleness of recognizing that the state even even in the
00:49:59midst of the attack they are giving a pardon for their crimes seeking for the peace of the nation which is
00:50:05a common desire order order deputies of opposition deputy varela please conclude i'm concluding president
00:50:17this article 7 that establishes clearly that the amnesty holds
00:50:26includes the people who are condemned for their felonies
00:50:29always as they are in front of the right they can you cannot amnesty that unrecognizes their the crime
00:50:39they committed those who committed no crime don't have to ask for amnesty that is simply as that
00:50:47those who want to be amnestied need to uh need to recognize their crimes and there is all this thing
00:50:58of this debate that has brought us quite a debate that we are proposing for it to be maintained just
00:51:06that it is this article thank you thank you deputy
00:51:13i'm going to give the floor to deputy stalin gonzalez
00:51:16good afternoon
00:51:23please carolina garcia also just to solve this this this speed and to reach an agreement because the law
00:51:32the amnesty law whether the first thing that it has is a mutual compromise of of searching an agreement because it is
00:51:41otherwise it's going to be difficult had there have been many years of no consensus that we are not
00:51:47going to solve but we need to try that the for this to be a first step to solve many problems that we are
00:51:53going to have to solve throughout this path using the legislative technique and the memory of the of the
00:52:02amnesty law of 2007 that english the president of the national assembly was the vice president
00:52:10that signed i was three vice presidents because they they fired me three days after that they used
00:52:19well they fired me because of the amnesty law perhaps well okay president or because they lose the reform
00:52:27we'll never know the thing is the reform we we didn't lose that if you like you we can recount the
00:52:36votes you yourself said in your last speech the small victor victory that opposition got in that
00:52:46opposite in that in that moment but this is not our debate now in article if we live it until amnesty and we
00:52:54add in accordance with the constitution i think it would englobe what we are discussing this is all
00:53:05thank you deputy deputy carolina please my answer is is from the from a judicial perspective in the
00:53:19principle of the law all of us are equals before law we have a majority of people who are on their way in
00:53:26their judicial processes that would be also benefit with this reform and only with this law and how could
00:53:34we explain that people from abroad come here and that they are going to to be arriving in the nation
00:53:42already amnestied while there are people who are actually in the process in this judicial process
00:53:49if we leave this article until amnesty i think you would need to uh to think better the reduction because
00:53:55we will be leaving behind a group of people that are also of course abroad and are hidden
00:54:04and to give them the opportunity as a reaction said that put themselves in right after the passing of
00:54:14this law in the judicial process there are reiterated sentences in which they are prohibited in of just
00:54:23of of trials in absence of the the individuals in accordance with the constitution the presence
00:54:30of the defendant is fundamental for the trials to decide on their petitions this is all mr president
00:54:40general commission deputy arreaza deputy narabracho deputy deputy ruben lima
00:55:01and well it has been many years many hours of debates of seeking a consensus of leaving behind
00:55:17protagonism because what it is at stake is the peace of the nation and if we want peace there must be
00:55:25justice and for that the judicial system of venezuela must work and i make this small reflection because
00:55:36here we consider that there are no venezuelans from one class or second class we are all equals before
00:55:42the law and all of us we need if we want that is to give about confidence to this bill if we want what we
00:55:52want is to transmit to the nation that we want to reinstate the state of law of the nation and we spoke about
00:56:00this in in our long conversations and activities we had in which all of the deputies not just a single sector
00:56:07all of the deputies we made our greatest therefore to make our proposals many of that we also took them
00:56:15off the table when we thought about them and in the search as well of a consensus to achieve this love
00:56:23we also are going to agree for ed to man for this article to be maintained i know what it is
00:56:30for social in the face of social media and for the attacks of what they label us because unfortunately
00:56:37we i reject categorically as a father of family the label that they put on ourselves and venezuelans
00:56:48for many years venezuela did not deserve to be living in the under that circumstances and if i have to
00:56:53remain strong to receive the benefit of amnesty i know i'm trusting in what we are doing the deputies
00:57:02i'm trusting in what we are doing to say the country to tell the country that the path needs to be
00:57:07different from confrontation and differences and protagonism and leaving behind all of the interest
00:57:14that we may have and i think that this is a very serious situation the bench of the democratic alliance
00:57:23understanding the importance of this historical event that it has for the nation and also that we
00:57:29want to continue betting for the rest of the path that remains on on on driving i aspire for this law
00:57:42i aspire for this law to be voted all of the deputies here present today for the responsibility
00:57:48that we have with the country to finding the path of trust of hope and faith because there are
00:57:56thousands of venezuelans out there waiting for this law to be approved in the greatest consensus possible
00:58:04thank you deputy i'm going to give a brief right to the world to deputy maduro guerra please come over
00:58:14here the president of the commission jorge arreaza and vice president jorge arreaza and also the deputy
00:58:22stalin gonzalez and deputy pedro carreĂąo and deputy ruben limas for the general commission
00:58:31thank you president and iris barela
00:58:36go ahead very quick when you make a mistake when you make an error and when you and i'm going to speak
00:58:47as a catholic father richard when you send from my home i did not absorb myself i need to go to church
00:59:00i need to confess myself i confess father that i said you are you have sinned son and in that confession
00:59:11in that facility of the church i confess myself i did this i did that
00:59:20i put spice spicy food in my brother's food i remember that was a a sin that i committed when i
00:59:27had 14 years old so it is important the ritual of saying i was i came to this state of law and i do
00:59:40recognize that we are under strong institutions that have prevailed that have supported the republic and
00:59:48that today in spite of everything of it is said with a bombardment less than a month ago and the
00:59:55kidnapping of the first authority civilian and military authority of the country and the and his wife
01:00:02here we are in this national assembly wanting to have to give concrete steps towards a coexistence of
01:00:09democratic and peaceful coexistence that have taken a lot of raps for us to achieve and also dr rafael calderas
01:00:19demanded recognition for the state of law the amnesty of the english enrique mendoza was benefited
01:00:30and also leopoldo lopez and also deputy here present enrique capriles
01:00:34i remember because i had 17 years old when he came went to the to the tribunal
01:00:44we have two constitutional supports if we are we are evolving through through the article 29 that of the
01:00:57inmates 24 that it has the same idea we also can summon the the article of the constitution that refers to this
01:01:09and the organic law of the
01:01:14that demands the press the depressant trial here we have a proposal for the reduction the consensus of benefit
01:01:24would be responding to the procedure of the state of law of the competent institutions of the public power
01:01:34respecting the principle of the print of the state of law this is this is my this is our
01:01:43proposal thank you president thank you deputy look i would like to put an example to fit this discussion
01:01:56at this moment currently in the united states 120 000 venezuelans who demanded a figure that is called tps
01:02:09to achieve many more 600 600 600 000 venezuelans in the united states that are demanding and and said that they are
01:02:22that they asked the the u.s residency because they were politically persecuted persecuted in venezuela because
01:02:32they are because i they said we were persecuted by the regime of nicolas maduro that's what they declare
01:02:42when they try to enter to the united states and for political reasons they are like 100 000 venezuelans
01:02:49at least that means that there are 100 000 venezuelans that because they divorced for economic reasons
01:02:58or for whatever reason they arrived there and they were there were institutions that had this file
01:03:06declaring for them to declare as a political persecuted in that case there could be they could be benefit
01:03:15from this benefit could benefit themselves from this amnesty law perhaps because they are also
01:03:22declaring declaring themselves as a political refuge or am i wrong so it is necessary for us to separate the
01:03:34both circumstances so we would have to be there those 100 000 people and it is absurd it is even absurd
01:03:47that the people of the united states the government of the united states have proceeded in that way and it
01:03:51is absurd that there are institutions legal institutions in the united states are multiplying because of
01:04:00just to get revenues from them 10 000 how money didn't they acquire from this so we have to go deep into
01:04:13this amnesty law we have a sentence and it's sent by carolina deputy carolina from the
01:04:19and it is necessary it is necessary that the people that was accused was to be subjected to the state of
01:04:29law of venezuela to solve their petitions because the constitution of the bolivarian republic of venezuela
01:04:36in there it is not allowed the trial with the absence of the
01:04:41the defendant we are opening a path to extremism that do not want this amnesty law that do not want a
01:04:51process of democratic coexistence that do not want to load the these their stances and that received a
01:05:01benefit of freedom and the first thing that he published i'm going after you you bastard the first
01:05:08publication he did was that i'm going after you and that i don't know what it supports it suggests
01:05:18to the climate of coexistence opposed such as such a post and there is the people who do not want
01:05:25the peace for the republic and they are entering as nothing now here we are denying the possibility
01:05:32for the imposition of a state of law of peace of coexistence which is the main principle of this
01:05:38amnesty law in consequence to not extend myself here deputies are there's a deputy braccio carolina
01:05:48carolina garcia stalin gonzalez and pedro carriĂąo rubel lima
01:05:53eri varela and jose gregorio borrea as well please if you're joining us at this moment of this
01:06:02broadcasting live from venezuela is the debate that is being generated at this hour from the national
01:06:09assembly of venezuela during the discussion of the amnesty law we can we have been seeing throughout
01:06:16this legislative day they have discussed about six articles of this bill that also during the
01:06:24the presentation during the first discussion was approved by unanimity by all deputies of the national
01:06:30assembly in this day we have been seeing the proposals of deputies regarding the modification of
01:06:37some articles of this legal text such as it is allowed by the national assembly studies and also during
01:06:45the second debate this is presented this this proposal is presented before the deputies this is a
01:06:53very important process that is taking place after the initiative proposed by acting president delci
01:07:00rodriguez as a way of achieving a democratic coexistence in the nation the law if it is approved
01:07:09is going to also pave the way for a very long process of national reconciliation as we can see there are
01:07:20different opinions among all deputies among all branches of the parliament of venezuela at this hour
01:07:27but there is a common goal which is to achieve peace to also achieve tolerance and unity among diversity
01:07:34among the diversions in political stances of the nation this is the spirit of national reconciliation
01:07:40that has been proposed one month after the the attack the brutal attack perpetrated against the nation
01:07:49on january 3rd that also left over 120 victims final victims and also that led to the kidnapping of
01:08:00president nicolas maduro and also to the kidnapping of deputy and also wife of the president celia flores
01:08:10this is a crucial moment and let's recall that was already discussed in a first discussion held last week
01:08:18also at the heart of the national assembly headquarters in caracas venezuela and it was unanimously approved
01:08:26there ever since that first approval that first discussion there have been hundreds of assemblies
01:08:33nationwide in which there were compiled over 1 000 initiatives from the population from the communes
01:08:42from the people in general also after a process that was favored as well by the creation of a council
01:08:54and special council for the drafting of these laws so today what we are witnessing is the second discussion
01:09:03of the bill of of amnesty amnesty bill that has been proposed by acting president delcy rodriguez in a space
01:09:14as well in which it is a historic moment for venezuela that is going as well to pave the way for the national
01:09:23reconciliation in venezuela there will be no room to extremism to political violence to foreign attacks
01:09:32the lack of understanding led the nation as well to divisions that were some of the statements that
01:09:40were previously affirmed by the very own deputies of the country and thanks to this proposal there is
01:09:47going to be a shift in this new chapter for venezuela yes president thank you very much
01:09:54the debate it has been good and i can speak on our about our ideas
01:10:01and with the aim of keep debating and discussing this article the bench libertades asked the
01:10:09deferment of article number seven this is all thank you and the also the discussion of of that deputy jorge reaza
01:10:24thank you president
01:10:28to maintain the needed climate of conciliation of consensus we are going to approve that
01:10:36be deferred today from the rest of the discussion to avoid to fall on in unnecessary debates and to
01:10:44approve the law in the upcoming session of the national assembly thank you very much
01:10:50take a seat deputies and i call the order to consider this
01:10:54in consideration of the national assembly of peninsula deputies who are in favor of deferring the discussion
01:11:08in second instance of the bill of amnesty for democratic coexistence being approved until article number six
01:11:18please please raise your hand deputies are holding we're holding the second discussion of the amnesty bill
01:11:27for the reconciliation of the of the nation at this moment these were a truthful discussion at this moment
01:11:37deputies agreed to postpone the the approval of the amnesty law for a new session new ordinary session
01:11:47of the national assembly so it remains as well this is a very intense debate that has the common purpose
01:11:54of reaching and a consensus of reaching a true the true spirit of reconciliation that demands venezuela
01:12:02in the current scenario in the current scenario in the current political chapter
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