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00:00Dzień dobry, it is Wednesday 11th February.
00:17I'm Maeve McMahan and this is Europe Today,
00:21your daily dose of European news and analysis,
00:25live here on Euronews.
00:26Coming up, EU leaders are bickering over how to save the European economy
00:32on the eve of a crucial leaders' retreat taking place here in the Belgian countryside.
00:38French President Emmanuel Macron has declared this as a moment of truth for the EU,
00:43saying it's time to issue more common debt.
00:46But Germany's Friedrich Merz is pushing back.
00:48Meanwhile, Commission President Ursula von der Leyen is set to address MEPs in Strasbourg today
00:53before travelling to Antfeb for intense talks with business leaders
00:57about the challenges facing European industry.
01:00To get up to speed, let's cross now to Strasbourg,
01:03where our EU news editor, Maria Tadeo, is standing by for us.
01:07Good morning, Maria.
01:08So, a packed agenda for Ursula von der Leyen.
01:10What is the latest there in Strasbourg and what should we expect for the next two days?
01:13Well, yes, good morning, Maeve.
01:17It is a packed agenda because of the summit taking place tomorrow.
01:22The entire European universe gravitating around this informal retreat happening on Thursday
01:27on competitiveness with, of course, Maria Draghi in attendance.
01:31When it comes to the head of the Commission, yes, she will participate at the summit in Antwerp.
01:36Then she will previously address the European Parliament in Strasbourg.
01:41But the focus very much on that summit with the heavyweights of the European industry in Antwerp.
01:46Already that location tells you a lot.
01:48This is a very pro-business friendly city, obviously a port city, a great history of trade and commerce.
01:54And that is really the sideguys now for the European economy.
01:58Last year, also, Maeve, remember, there was a very similar gathering,
02:01which led to the Antwerp declaration of 2025-2024,
02:06which suggested immediate relief in action for the European industry.
02:11Ever since, we've seen a very aggressive agenda of simplification to cut red tape,
02:16to cut costs for companies.
02:18And we expect that in the meeting today, the European industry will reiterate those points.
02:22But also remember, in a letter published on Monday,
02:25the head of the Commission promised to double down on the simplification of regulation.
02:29She also said the Commission plans to introduce a tool that will tackle gold plating.
02:34Remember, the industry hates this.
02:36It's the idea that national member states put on even more regulation on European directives.
02:41And then, of course, she also said integrate the single market.
02:45The IMF believes that the internal barriers of this market may represent a 45% tariff on goods,
02:51110 on services.
02:53So a lot going on into this meeting with the industry.
02:56They have the influence over the policymakers.
02:58They have the year of the leadership.
03:00And it's not coincidence that this is happening a day before a political summit.
03:04Indeed.
03:05And meanwhile, those battle lines, Maria, are being drawn up ahead of tomorrow's summit.
03:09We've seen France pushing for Europe bonds.
03:11The Germans are saying no.
03:12What is the middle ground?
03:13We'll even find it.
03:14Well, that's a very good question because in anticipation to this retreat,
03:21I remember when Antonio Costa, the head of the European Council, spoke to us exclusively two weeks ago,
03:26he said the goal of the retreat is to really now establish clear political guidelines in the way forward.
03:32And that means the Draghi report, but also the Leija report.
03:35And Emmanuel Macron yesterday in an interview, which hopefully we can put up on the screen,
03:40he told the European press that he believes this is now the time for Europe to come together
03:45with a joint Boren capability capacity.
03:48That is, of course, Eurobond's joint debt.
03:51For many countries, this is a complete red line.
03:53The Germans, you say, have already said no.
03:55The Italians sided with Berlin, saying the focus should be on the simplification of rules
04:00and really putting the automotive at the center of a lot of the industrial policy in Europe.
04:05So tomorrow it should be an interesting meeting.
04:07But, of course, the cat is now out of the back because the French president has now put this
04:11and stated this clearly on the table.
04:13The European Union cannot wait any longer.
04:15The debate about more joint debt needs to start now.
04:18So all of this very political.
04:19And to debrief this very packed agenda, I am joined from Strasbourg by M.E.P. Saskia Bremont.
04:25You're an M.E.P. for the Greens.
04:27Obviously a very packed agenda here in Strasbourg.
04:30We really feel a sense of urgency.
04:32But I want to pick up on a vote yesterday.
04:34The European Parliament finally agreed to implement and go ahead with the U.S.-EU trade deal.
04:41Some would say that was a total capitulation, that deal.
04:43Are you happy with the result?
04:46Indeed.
04:46I'm part of the ones that say it's a total capitulation.
04:49There is obviously a willingness from the von der Leyen majority to show signs of appeasement with Trump.
04:56I'm not sure this is the language he understands.
04:58There was a majority, I think, in favor also in the Parliament to activate the anti-coercion instrument
05:04that the EU has to reply to such commercial trade attacks from third countries.
05:10And we wanted it to be activated, to show some teeth also to the different attacks and threats given by Trump and its administration.
05:18So I think the current answers are indeed a bit too weak from the EU side.
05:23And to link it with the other debate, like the industrial debate, it's high time for the EU to give preferences to its own industry,
05:30to think about eventual tariffs, additional tariffs towards the U.S., for instance,
05:36and also to take back the compass of the Green Deal to really put the competitiveness hand-in-hand with sustainability.
05:45Okay, there's a lot to unpack there because you say Trump has been very aggressive on Europe and we have been very weak.
05:53To me, it seems that after Greenland, however, something has changed.
05:57Isn't there a contradiction between, you know, implementing this deal and saying we'll put it ahead with conditions,
06:01but also the fact that, you know, with Greenland, with tech regulation,
06:05the Trump administration has shown repeatedly that they do not see this as a done deal.
06:09They will come back for more concessions.
06:10So why approve this deal now? I'm very confused.
06:14I think it's more the narrative of showing unity at EU side in terms of answers.
06:20But indeed, I'm also confused about the current reply because, indeed, there is this kind of disescalation
06:28since Trump somehow is less vocal about Greenland, but I'm pretty sure he's not giving up.
06:35He has an international agenda. It's pretty clear in its security strategy as well.
06:39And I think Europeans have to think about them now and take their own faith into their hands.
06:46So you say we've got to think about Europeans, we have to think about ourselves.
06:50To go ahead without the United States, however, that would completely change the playbook since the Second World War.
06:55Is that warranted now because you say the U.S. is no longer an ally?
06:59It's time to say, at the very least, it's a rival at times.
07:03Can it be an enemy to European values?
07:05I'm not saying it's an enemy and we should not escalate.
07:09This is not the question.
07:10I think we have to show teeth, as I said, and give appropriate answers when the EU is somehow attacked
07:17or if other countries deliver us a trade war, be it the U.S., be it other countries.
07:22We also have other allies to work closer and hand-in-handedly.
07:26I'm thinking about Canada.
07:27I'm thinking about Latin America.
07:29I'm thinking about Asian countries, Japan.
07:32The EU has other allies, has to develop and still rely on multilateralism, but work with allies.
07:39And I'm not saying the U.S. is becoming an enemy.
07:43I think Trump, obviously, has a huge problem with other continents, including Europe.
07:50And he wants to show that Europe is weak.
07:54It's up to us Europeans to show that the Europeans and Europe is not weak.
07:58It's also a powerful continent that has a lot of economic possibilities and a strong industry.
08:06And we see it today with the summit.
08:08But let's talk about the industry.
08:09The industry is now really at the core of everything.
08:12The head of the commission has said, we're going to cut down paperwork.
08:14We're going to make it easier to do business.
08:16Is that the right approach?
08:17Would you say, yes, let's give the industry what they need?
08:19They take priority over everything else now.
08:22Of course, we need a strong European industrial policy.
08:25But again, it goes hand-in-hand with the Green Deal, with sustainability standards.
08:30The Green Deal, I don't hear it anymore.
08:32Nobody even talks about the Green Deal.
08:33It's gone.
08:34People talk about a clean industry.
08:35And that's the huge issue.
08:37I think the Draghi report showed it clearly.
08:39We need simplification.
08:40We need also a vision for Europe to make our industry stronger and invest.
08:47Invest.
08:48I don't see the investments today.
08:50And that's also highly needed at EU level to really decide to invest in our industry,
08:56but also to green our industry.
08:58Otherwise, we will be the old continent.
09:00Definitely the Chinese invest.
09:02Other continents invest in their transition.
09:04And Europe is now giving up on its climate and ecological transition.
09:09But it's a condition for our competitiveness.
09:12Well, thank you very much for that.
09:14And of course, Maeve, the focus, of course, is on the investment.
09:17But the question is, how do you pay for it?
09:19And that's one of the big topics that will come up tomorrow.
09:21What is the financing and who's going to pay?
09:23Is this private sector money?
09:25Or is there now a path for joint debt?
09:27And we go back to public money.
09:28That always seems to be the million dollar question.
09:31Maria Tzeo, thank you so much for that.
09:33And also to the Belgian MEP Saskia Prickmont from the Greens.
09:36And as you heard there, it is a nail-biting time for the European Union as leaders scratch
09:41their head about how to move forward.
09:43Ahead of that leaders gathering tomorrow, our Jakob Janis has been reading between the lines
09:48of Ursula von der Leyen's letter.
09:49Hey, do you like receiving letters?
09:55Ursula von der Leyen just wrote one to all 27 EU leaders.
09:59And it goes like this.
10:02Where a lack of progress risks undermining Europe's competitiveness,
10:06we should not shy away from using the possibilities foreseen in the treaties on enhanced cooperation.
10:13Confused?
10:14Don't worry.
10:15Your reporter also struggled.
10:17But in simple words, it's all about new European Superspeed Club.
10:23So let's break it down.
10:25In her letter, von der Leyen is essentially saying,
10:28if we cannot agree now as 27, let's break the taboo and move forward in smaller groups.
10:35And the so-called enhanced cooperation will allow a group of at least nine countries
10:40shift up a gear without waiting for the others.
10:44And those considered troublemakers.
10:46They can keep pumping the brakes, but they are about to be left in the rearview mirror.
10:52But buckle up, because that's not the only bold idea.
10:56Emmanuel Macron is pushing for future-oriented euro bonds,
11:00so a massive common debt for strategic projects.
11:03And this is already happening with the 90 billion euro Ukraine loan,
11:07which is bypassing Hungary, Czechia and Slovakia.
11:10And this also shows not everyone is ready for a Hamiltonian moment.
11:15But the trend is clear, and the EU is finally trying to reform itself.
11:22In September, von der Leyen suggested limiting veto rights,
11:26which are often used by some member states to derail collective action.
11:30It is time to break free from the shackles of unanimity.
11:34And the motivation is clear, too.
11:36Because if Brussels doesn't learn to drive fast, it will not just be overtaken.
11:42It might end up in the scrape yard.
11:45Jakob Janis reporting for us there.
11:52And as you heard earlier, MEPs are in Strasbourg this week,
11:55and they're also voting on new stricter anti-asylum laws.
11:59That will make it legally easier to deport asylum-seeker hopefuls
12:02to countries outside the European Union.
12:05The new laws foresee more cooperation with foreign states,
12:08marking a pivotal change to a tougher European stance on asylum.
12:12The EU Commissioner for Migration, Magnus Pruner, from Austria,
12:15expressed his stance in the European Parliament.
12:19We have a clear strategic vision for the kind of migration policy
12:24we want for the European Union.
12:27We want a union where migration is safe, is legal, and most of all under control.
12:35And we want swifter, stronger, and more effective returns also.
12:40That is one of the missing pieces we'll still see.
12:44And I think it is time to turn this around and make sure that,
12:48as a rule, irregular migrants leave the European Union.
12:53Without this, our policies, I think, are not credible.
12:58Magnus Pruner there, the Austrian Commissioner for Migration.
13:01And for more on this, we can turn to your news journalist, Eleonora Vasquez,
13:04who's been following the story for us.
13:06Good morning, Eleonora.
13:07Good morning, May.
13:07Good to have you with us.
13:08Just tell us more about these two votes in the Parliament.
13:11Yes, May.
13:11I mean, there were very important votes in the European Parliament yesterday.
13:15One about the list of countries considered safe for the European Union,
13:20and the other is the concept, what it doesn't mean to be a safe country
13:24so migrants can be returned there.
13:26So, Egypt, Bangladesh, Colombia, Kosovo, India, Morocco, and Tunisia
13:31have been defined safe country in this list.
13:34That might change.
13:35So, this doesn't mean that all the people coming from this country
13:40will be automatically returned,
13:42because the asylum application is a personal application,
13:46but at the same time, they will have less chances to get the asylum in Europe.
13:52And as you said, there is a reduction of access to asylum in the European Union.
13:56OK, and we can read more about that, of course, on euronews.com.
13:59But you also broke an exclusive story this week with our colleague Vincenzo Ginovese
14:04about the European Commission's frustration with the Spanish government
14:07for granting asylum to half a million undocumented migrants,
14:11mostly from South America and the Caribbean.
14:13Tell us more about this.
14:15Yes, on this, I want to clarify something.
14:17I think the Commission has two different narratives
14:19that they don't really come together.
14:21So, one narrative is legal pathways, we need migrants,
14:25we need these people because we have a lot of jobs
14:29and we need skilled workers and so on and so forth.
14:33But at the same time, we want to reduce access to asylum,
14:36we want to close the border.
14:37And, of course, for the public opinion,
14:39these two narratives, they don't go together.
14:42So, what happened and what is doing Sanchez
14:46is one of the two narratives.
14:47But the predominant narrative inside the Brussels corridor,
14:51from what I learned with my colleague Vincenzo Ginovese,
14:54is that they want to keep a high-level narrative on closing the border.
15:00And, of course, what he did, Sanchez, also in terms of narrative,
15:03because he is showing a lot that he is making the migration
15:08as a good opportunity for everyone.
15:11So, this is what he is saying is disturbing Brussels corridors.
15:15Okay, a good example of the awkward phone calls
15:18between Brussels and the various capitals
15:19on that topic of migration that we've been covering,
15:21of course, for many years here on Euronews
15:26and, of course, on that pact.
15:27Nora Vasquez, thank you so much for your reporting
15:29and for joining us here this morning on Europe Today.
15:32But now, moving on from migration to the topic of defence,
15:36NATO is launching brand new military operations in the Arctic.
15:39This is a response to the serious confrontations
15:42between the US and its European and NATO allies
15:45after the US President Trump said he would, quote,
15:47take Greenland from Denmark.
15:50The mission is aimed at responding to growing threats
15:52from Russia and China in the region
15:54and is due to be announced tomorrow
15:55at a NATO defence ministerial meeting taking place.
15:59For more, we can cross straight over to our correspondent,
16:01Shona Murray, who's live for us this morning
16:03at the NATO headquarters.
16:05Good morning, Shona.
16:06Just tell us more, please, about this mission.
16:09Well, as you said there, Maeve,
16:11we know that part of the resolution
16:13between the United States and its NATO allies
16:15over the fate of Greenland last month
16:17was that there would be greater enhanced security
16:19in the Arctic region and in the high north.
16:22So that's what Arctic Century is.
16:23Now, NATO has already had a presence there,
16:25but this is much more enhanced.
16:28This is going to be multi-domain force.
16:29It'll be using cyber, space, air, land and sea.
16:33And really what we heard yesterday
16:35from the US ambassador to NATO, Matthew Whittaker,
16:38was that they believe, the United States believes,
16:40that there already is a Chinese and Russian threat there.
16:42But this will really be about future-proofing the region.
16:45It's likely to be launched tomorrow
16:47at that NATO defence ministerial meeting here,
16:51but that hasn't been completely confirmed.
16:53But that's really the idea,
16:54that it would really sort of start getting into action
16:57as soon as possible as part of that agreement.
16:59Now, take a listen to NATO's top general, Alexis Grinkovic,
17:03during the week speaking about Arctic Century.
17:06We did talk about Greenland.
17:08We talked about it in the context of the Arctic
17:10and the increasing need for the alliance
17:12to pay attention to security in the Arctic,
17:14given the continued Russian presence
17:17and increasing Chinese presence that's there.
17:19I think it's been reported widely
17:21that we're doing some planning now
17:23on a new Arctic mission called Arctic Century
17:25that has not kicked off yet,
17:27but we're in the final stages of planning for that.
17:32General Alexis Grinovich there,
17:33a reporter speaking to the press last night.
17:35And Shona, of course, as you said,
17:37this is happening as part of that defence minister's meeting
17:39taking place tomorrow,
17:40but we're hearing that the US defence secretary
17:42is not showing up.
17:44Can you tell us why
17:45and how are allies feeling about this?
17:47Are they annoyed?
17:50Well, Pete Hegg said the US Secretary of War
17:52was due to show up, obviously.
17:53He announced a few weeks ago that he wasn't.
17:55And initially there was sort of head scratching
17:57because remember in December,
17:59December Secretary of State Marco Rubio
18:00also didn't show up to his meeting
18:02of foreign affairs ministers.
18:04But what we will have is a Elbridge Colby
18:07who's deputising for Pete Hegseth,
18:09who is the undersecretary of war.
18:11And what I've actually heard
18:12is that he is set to reassure allies
18:15that the United States will maintain
18:17a high level of troops across NATO territory
18:20in Germany and Italy and the eastern flank.
18:22So that is a real concern for NATO allies
18:25since the Trump administration came into power.
18:27Elbridge Colby himself is seen as sort of a hawk,
18:30a hardliner.
18:31He's been trying to push the Trump administration
18:32to withdraw troops from NATO.
18:34So that will be quite reassuring.
18:36So any concerns that allies had
18:39about Pete Hegseth not showing up,
18:41that should allay them.
18:43What I've heard is that he will talk to them
18:44about that tomorrow.
18:45It also coincides with major changes
18:48within the senior command in NATO,
18:50where the United States is removing itself
18:53from some joint force commands,
18:55making European countries like the UK,
18:57Germany, Poland and Italy
18:59take up some of those responsibilities.
19:01So the idea really is that NATO is burden shifting
19:04from the United States to Europe.
19:07Maeve?
19:07Okay, Shona Murray, thank you so much
19:08for that live update from the NATO headquarters
19:11just outside Brussels.
19:12And for more of Shona Murray's reporting
19:14from NATO today,
19:15do visit yournews.com
19:16or for any more information
19:17on any of the stories
19:18that we're covering for you.
19:20But that does bring this edition
19:21of Europe Today to a close.
19:23Thank you so much for your company.
19:25As always, we'll be back tomorrow,
19:26bright and early.
19:27Tune in to find out more
19:28about that summit taking place.
19:30See you soon, though, on your own news.
19:32Tune in to find out more
20:02about that summit.
20:03Wait for it.
20:04Have a great day.
20:04See you soon, though, on your own news.
20:05Bye-bye.
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