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Who Is Ghislaine Maxwell 2022 Season 1 Episode 3
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00:00The story is more bizarre than people begin to realize.
00:08She says, Jeffrey has to have three orgasms a day,
00:13and I help him because I cannot keep up with his libido.
00:18Ghislaine would go and get people out of Central Park,
00:21and I saw her give her phone number to a girl,
00:24and then that child showed up.
00:26Ms. Maxwell did explain that there would be a lot of women around.
00:30She said, you'll see lots of bees around the honeypots,
00:32but I'm the queen bee. Always remember that.
00:35Ms. Maxwell is the reason that I was abused.
00:38She led me into that situation.
00:41Everybody wants to talk about him, and it's not focused on Ghislaine.
00:45She facilitated it. She made the network happen.
00:55I love the smell of the ocean spray,
00:59the sound of the waves,
01:01the cry of the seabirds,
01:04the sunsets, the sunrises.
01:08I love the ocean.
01:10In New York, stunning testimony today from an alleged victim
01:19in the sex trafficking trial of Jeffrey Epstein's companion, Ghislaine Maxwell.
01:23The first of Ghislaine Maxwell's four accusers,
01:26testifying under the pseudonym Jane,
01:28graphically described the first time Jeffrey Epstein sexually abused her.
01:32Some of the details are absolutely harrowing.
01:36Maxwell, she says, fondled her breast.
01:38Jeffrey Epstein sexually assaulted her with sex toys when she was 14 years old.
01:45It's a trial a quarter century in the making.
01:48And of course, since that time, the victims have been looking for a reckoning.
01:53I've been working with the survivors of Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell for about seven years now.
02:00I think for any of the women who are being called to testify,
02:04there's a lot of anxiety with having to face your abuser in a court of law.
02:09There will be a lot of relief in this as well,
02:11because they'll have the opportunity to talk to the jurors about what happened to them.
02:16There's been a lot of speculation about why it took so long for Maxwell to be held accountable.
02:23That involves power and privilege in a way that was unique to this circumstance.
02:29There's so many of us that have walked around feeling like we don't have the right to speak up for ourselves.
02:37I definitely need to be here to show her that everything that she's taken from me, I'm taking it all back.
02:46It has to be the turning point that society as a whole puts that stake in the ground,
02:53draws that line and says, you cannot get away with these things just because of who you are and how much money you have.
03:16Hello, police department.
03:29It was an incident that occurred maybe like three, three and a half weeks ago with one of my stepdaughters.
03:34He's a gentleman by the age of 45.
03:36They start off by giving him a massage.
03:38If he pays them, if he likes them and he thinks that they're pretty enough,
03:42he keeps them around to do other things.
03:44He basically does this with a lot of teenage girls.
03:48I'm an attorney practicing in West Palm Beach, Florida.
03:52I represented one of the first young victims to come forward here in Palm Beach County against Mr. Epstein.
03:59Through that process, we began to understand the full breadth of Mr. Epstein's sexual conspiracy.
04:06And the organization which involved Maxwell as well as many of the other young girls that she had trained.
04:36These were young girls, some of them as young as 14 years old,
04:44who did not have the wherewithal to understand what they were getting themselves into.
04:50The premises desire to be searched is a two-story single-family residence.
04:54Occupied or under the control of Jeffrey Epstein, a white male, date of birth 12053.
05:00The first young lady that I represented never specifically mentioned Maxwell.
05:04But there was this older British distinguished lady behind the scenes.
05:08They didn't know who she was.
05:10She was answering the door.
05:11She was escorting people through.
05:14She was telling them, oh, go up there, go into that room or go into the kitchen.
05:18When my clients visited, they would frequently see pictures of Dylan Maxwell with very famous individuals.
05:24And it was very clear she was very wealthy and powerful.
05:28But at the beginning, we weren't really focused on her.
05:32So we never learned the full breadth of her part in this until much later on.
05:38We were focused on Epstein.
05:40Later during the investigation, when interviewing and conducting the deposition,
05:45the name Maxwell would come up repeatedly.
05:48Glenn Maxwell was a lot more than just someone who stayed in a room at the Palm Beach mansion.
05:52She was directing the activities that were going on there.
05:55What we came to learn is that by the time of this investigation,
06:01Maxwell had stepped away from the direct recruitment of young girls.
06:05She had trained primary recruiters.
06:09Those primary recruiters then would train local recruiters to get girls to come over to the house.
06:16This sexual pyramid scheme really had Ghislaine Maxwell at the top.
06:23We as attorneys wanted to talk to her.
06:25We knew that she was jet-setting across the world.
06:27We knew that she could fly to France or Virgin Islands at any moment.
06:31We had heard that she was at some kind of a private benefit event up in New York at one point.
06:38So we had hired process servers to go and try and serve her.
06:42Unfortunately, that ended up in a failure.
06:44They couldn't get in and get her served.
06:46So we were never able to issue a subpoena to her at the time
06:49because she had essentially disappeared in the wind.
07:07I went down to Tyree's room, and there on his dresser was the arrest warrant.
07:13I actually didn't read what the thing was until he actually told us up in the kitchen.
07:18I think I was too frightened to snoop.
07:20When he spoke to us on that morning, he said it was for solicitation of a minor for prostitution.
07:28Something like that.
07:30In all honesty, I was shocked.
07:32No, we were shocked.
07:33We were both shocked.
07:34The way it was explained was it was basically a slip-on-the-wrist fine, like a traffic fine,
07:39that they were charging him with, which seemed like it.
07:41So I said, well, just pay the fine and get over and done it.
07:44Get it out of the news.
07:45Get everything sorted.
07:46I mean, that point of the relationship between the two of them,
07:49I think it was pretty antagonistic at points.
07:51He actually told us that she'd gone.
07:58Yeah, one day she said that.
07:59He walked into the kitchen, he said, it's over.
08:02I actually felt quite sorry for him at the time.
08:05It was a bit traumatic.
08:08We had a couple of fighting matches.
08:12I wouldn't let you deep into that.
08:13No, I know, which is understandable.
08:15So you could see this relationship was moving in a different direction, yeah.
08:24Miss Maxwell was not around for quite a while.
08:38She got involved in the man that does computers, as far as I remember.
08:42She was completely just out of the whole...
08:45Out of the loop.
08:46Out of the loop.
08:46So you could see she'd started a new life for herself, which I thought was good for her, you know.
08:51The relationship between Epstein and Maxwell, who was dominant, who was subservient,
09:01how many of the strategies and tactics for recruiting and grooming came from Maxwell
09:09and how much came from Epstein, we'll never probably know completely.
09:13But what we do know is that Maxwell bears responsibility not only for the young women and girls who she personally recruited,
09:25but also for her role in the overall enterprise, where she would recruit somebody to recruit somebody else,
09:33to recruit somebody else, to recruit somebody else.
09:35I think that one of the cruelest things that Epstein and Maxwell did was to induce, coerce these young girls to bring in other young girls.
09:50It has been a really big journey for me to actually get to that point where I'm not in denial anymore,
09:55and I can say, yeah, I was abused too.
09:59I was already in the islands next to him, in St. John's, and I just was with a friend,
10:04and she asked me to go with her to the island.
10:08So I didn't know about this whole private island and, like, who Jeffrey Epstein was.
10:13I didn't know anything when I went with her that day.
10:15I had only met Jeffrey pretty briefly before someone was sent to our room to bring us there for a massage.
10:24And so I just thought, okay, well, this is kind of weird, but I trust the girl that brought me.
10:29So, yeah, we went to his room, and I realized at the time that the girl that brought me there
10:33she had done this before, so she was very comfortable, and she was massaging him,
10:38and I kind of just took her lead.
10:40And then pretty quickly afterwards, you know, is when Jeffrey started touching me inappropriately,
10:53and that's, like, when the abuse happened.
10:58I was really confused about what happened.
11:01I just, like, realized maybe that's why she brought me there, was kind of to lure me to him,
11:06and she was the one who got paid for bringing me.
11:09She made it seem like it was, like, no big deal at all.
11:13It was hard for me to deal with it for many years after that,
11:15and then hearing so many other women have the exact same story of another young person,
11:21another young woman bringing them to Jeffrey for a massage, but then getting sexually abused.
11:29And then every time I hear it, I'm just, like, thinking, that was me, that was me.
11:36I'm heading to the Glenn Maxwell trial.
11:39This is just, like, another step for me, just to realize and kind of move on and heal.
11:53This whole nightmare never would have happened if it wasn't for Ghislaine.
11:58The woman who brought me to Jeffries Island was recruited by her.
12:04There were so many people that she brought that brought others.
12:10I brought others, so it was just all these, like, layers.
12:16It's scary that I fit into that story somehow.
12:20That's the way pyramid schemes work.
12:23That's the way enterprises of the scope and scale work.
12:28That was part of the power, part of the reason why it was able
12:34to recruit not just a handful of young girls,
12:40but dozens, hundreds of young girls.
12:45There was no one else in the pyramid
12:49who had her position,
12:52no one else who had her wealth, her status.
12:56No one else did Epstein give $30 million to.
13:00So if you put Epstein at the top of the pyramid,
13:06Maxwell's right next to him.
13:09And the only question is,
13:11is she right next to him at the same level,
13:15or is she right next to him at the level immediately below him?
13:21Jeffrey Epstein's personal 727 aircraft
13:24arrived at PBIA from Newark at 5 p.m.
13:27The investor, traveling with a small entourage,
13:30was met at the private Galaxy Aviation.
13:32Jeffrey Epstein went to jail just before 10 this morning.
13:43He pleaded guilty in open court.
13:45He agreed to serve a total of 18 months
13:46in the Palm Beach detention facility,
13:4912 for felony solicitation of prostitutes,
13:51and an additional 6 for procuring persons
13:53under 18 for prostitution.
13:56The guilty plea and deal end a years-long process
13:58that could have sent Epstein to jail for 15 years.
14:01I couldn't believe that he got the sweetheart deal.
14:05The federal government interviewed at least 40 young girls,
14:08but for some reason,
14:09the government decided that they were going to use one case
14:12as the case that they would convict him of.
14:15They're letting him out during the day
14:16to walk around and have lunch
14:18and have massages at his office.
14:20He got out after only one year.
14:22A few steps, a smile,
14:24and a wave to the deputy at the door.
14:27We watched Jeffrey Epstein walk out of jail,
14:29but only his attorneys heard from him.
14:31He's very happy that his jail sentence is over
14:33and he can begin a new chapter in his life.
14:37They entered into what's called
14:39a non-prosecution agreement
14:41that prevented any further prosecution
14:44of not just Jeffrey Epstein,
14:45but also any others who may have been involved.
14:49Maxwell is not mentioned,
14:54and we have to assume that that was intentional.
14:57Jeffrey probably told her,
14:59just disappear.
15:00Go away.
15:01Stay away from all of this
15:03and don't worry about it.
15:05I'll take care of it.
15:05The non-prosecution agreement
15:09was a corrupt agreement,
15:12and it should never have let
15:15people like Maxwell walk.
15:17I think it led
15:19to a sense of invulnerability.
15:24It led to a sense of confidence
15:28that having beat that,
15:30she was free.
15:31If the United Nations create
15:52a standalone ocean development goal,
15:55that is a needle mover.
15:57That will make new laws,
15:59new governance,
16:00and a new way of looking at the ocean,
16:02and that is what will change the world.
16:15So how does it all look?
16:17Is my hair good?
16:18Do I...
16:18It's all...
16:19All right, we're rolling.
16:23Ghislaine, you've been a philanthropist
16:24your whole career.
16:26Tell us about your idea
16:27and how global citizens
16:28can save our common oceans.
16:30The ocean is absolutely vital
16:33to all planetary life systems.
16:35I call it the blue heart of the planet.
16:42I met Ghislaine at a party
16:46at the Four Seasons restaurant.
16:47There was a lot of major celebrities there,
16:51a lot of air kissing going on.
16:53She knew a lot of people there.
16:56I thought she was utterly charming.
16:58I had no clue
16:59that she was involved
17:01in any of these things.
17:03The thing that she talked about the most
17:05was, of course, the ocean.
17:07I mean, in many ways,
17:08the ocean became like her baby.
17:12Your Excellencies, Presidents,
17:14Lords, Ladies and Gentlemen,
17:15I just would like to thank you so much.
17:18It's such an honor to be here.
17:20Who doesn't want to have a clean ocean?
17:22I mean, it's, you know,
17:23it's kind of a worthy project.
17:25All you're signing is
17:26that you want the ocean
17:27to be sustainably managed,
17:28and that is the message
17:29we're bringing here.
17:34At the end of the night,
17:36the party's breaking up,
17:38and she asked me,
17:39can you give me a lift home?
17:41I drove her home
17:43and dropped her off
17:44in front of her townhouse,
17:45and then she made this
17:47astonishing offer.
17:49She says to me,
17:51if you come in and fuck me,
17:53I will tell you
17:54the secrets of my father.
17:55I was completely speechless,
18:00and I came up with
18:01a very lame excuse
18:02that I needed to go home
18:04and walk the dog,
18:05and she knew it was
18:06a kind of a BS excuse,
18:08but she gave me a kiss
18:09on the cheek,
18:10and she said,
18:12you know,
18:12hope to see you soon.
18:14It's kind of like,
18:15by day,
18:16she's very, very involved
18:19in trying to save the oceans
18:21and fix the world,
18:23but by night,
18:25it's like turning into
18:26Dracula or something.
18:28It was like a switch.
18:31I just came back
18:33from Haiti,
18:35where children
18:36are trafficked for sex,
18:39and I wanted to open
18:41a safe haven,
18:44if we can say,
18:45to help those kids,
18:47and my friend decided
18:48to have a fundraising event
18:50for that.
18:51I hear that
18:52Giselle Maxwell came.
18:55I don't know why
18:56she was in the picture.
18:58I did not even know
18:59who she was.
19:01I guess it's because
19:02the French ambassador
19:03was there,
19:05and she wanted to look good.
19:07She was in the picture,
19:08and then she left.
19:10I know one thing.
19:13That woman you're talking about,
19:15Maxwell,
19:16did not give a cent.
19:18The way she was able
19:22to manipulate the media,
19:25to think of her
19:26as a, quote,
19:27environmentalist,
19:29as opposed to a sex trafficker,
19:33probably continued
19:35to contribute
19:36to her sense
19:37of being above the law,
19:39of being invulnerable.
19:40I think it led her
19:42to be perhaps careless.
19:45It may have contributed
19:47to her ultimate undoing.
19:55Emotions running high
19:56in the Giselle Maxwell trial.
19:58A tearful accuser
19:59says she was 14
20:01when Maxwell told her
20:02she had a great body
20:04for Jeffrey Epstein
20:05and his friends.
20:06We're up to our third accuser,
20:11and her name is Carolyn.
20:12She is testifying
20:13under her first name,
20:14and she is the second accuser
20:17to allege
20:18that Ghislaine Maxwell
20:19had fondled her breasts
20:21when she was 14 years old.
20:23She said she was brought
20:24into Epstein's orbit
20:26via Virginia Giuffre Roberts,
20:28who was a very key figure
20:31in the whole
20:32Ghislaine Maxwell saga.
20:33Virginia was one
20:37of the first people,
20:38if not the first person,
20:40to come forward
20:42with the evidence
20:43that not only
20:44were Epstein and Maxwell
20:46abusing young women
20:48themselves,
20:49but they were actually
20:50trafficking young women
20:52to other men.
20:54The highest profile person
20:57that Virginia
20:58identified as
21:01someone to whom
21:02she was trafficked
21:03by Epstein and Maxwell
21:05was Prince Andrew.
21:22Ghislaine woke me up
21:23in the morning excited,
21:24and she said,
21:26you're going to meet
21:26a prince today.
21:28Ghislaine said,
21:28he's coming back
21:29to the house,
21:30and I want you
21:31to do for him
21:32what you do for Epstein.
21:33The abuse went on
21:34for a little bit
21:37in the bathroom,
21:37and then it continued
21:38to the bedroom,
21:39and he wasn't rude
21:41or anything about it.
21:43He said, you know,
21:44thank you.
21:46My first reaction was,
21:49did this really happen?
21:50You know,
21:51is it really true
21:52to hear that a member
21:58of the royal family,
22:00a prince of England,
22:02was engaged in that conduct
22:06was something
22:08that I found surprising,
22:09shocking, disturbing.
22:12Sex trafficking
22:13tends to be something
22:14that you associate
22:15with third world countries.
22:17It's not something
22:18that you think
22:18happens in the United States,
22:20in the United Kingdom.
22:21She said she had sex
22:30with you three times.
22:31Once in a London house
22:33when she was trafficked
22:34to you in Maxwell's house.
22:36Yes.
22:36Once in New York,
22:38a month or so later
22:39at Epstein's mansion,
22:41and once on his private island
22:43in a group of seven
22:44or eight other girls.
22:48No.
22:49She says she dined with you,
22:52danced with you
22:53at Tramp Night Club
22:54in London.
22:55She went on
22:56to have sex with you
22:57in a house
22:58in Belgravia
22:59belonging to
23:00Gerlaine Maxwell,
23:01your friend.
23:02Your response?
23:04I have no recollection
23:05of ever meeting
23:06this lady.
23:07I talked to my partner,
23:12David Boies,
23:13and he said,
23:14I have this new case
23:15that's come in
23:16that I think really
23:17is suited for you
23:18because of the work
23:19you've done
23:20in foster care
23:21and with sex trafficking victims.
23:25I went to New York
23:26and I met with Virginia
23:28and within moments
23:30of that meeting,
23:31my life really
23:32turned upside down
23:33in many ways.
23:35Virginia made public
23:36that Maxwell
23:37had been involved
23:38at the head
23:39of the sex trafficking scheme
23:41along with Epstein.
23:43Can I ask you
23:43about all the allegations
23:45that have come out,
23:46Ghislaine?
23:48You've got no comment at all?
23:50I've made a statement.
23:51Then Maxwell came forward
23:55and made the statement
23:56that Virginia's claims
23:58were, quote,
23:58obvious lies.
24:00That gave us the hook
24:01to be able to sue Maxwell
24:02for defamation
24:03and that really started
24:04the journey
24:05in being able to hold
24:07Maxwell accountable
24:08for the crimes
24:09she committed.
24:11We were a tight female team
24:13and we just dug into it.
24:15We pieced together
24:16the flight logs
24:17in a way that no one
24:18ever had before
24:19to really map that out
24:20and understand
24:21the trafficking scheme
24:22as a whole.
24:24We had the police reports
24:26from the 2005 investigation
24:28in Florida
24:29that showed Maxwell
24:31at the centerpiece of this,
24:32helping arrange the girls,
24:34being very active there
24:35despite her claims
24:36that she was not.
24:37We spoke to many,
24:39many survivors
24:40of Epstein and Maxwell's abuse.
24:42Some of those survivors
24:44would say,
24:46I can't give you
24:46any information,
24:47I'm too scared.
24:48It was a very scary
24:49time period.
24:50I myself had threats
24:52and I was scared
24:53at times.
24:55I also had people
24:56following me.
24:58As you can imagine,
24:59there are incredibly
25:00powerful people
25:01who are involved
25:02in this sex trafficking scheme.
25:04They certainly didn't like
25:06that I was turning over stones,
25:08finding out more information.
25:09Maxwell's deposition is significant
25:21because it's really
25:22the only document
25:23we have
25:24that shows testimony
25:26that she is giving
25:27about the sexual trafficking scheme.
25:30One of the things
25:31that stood out to me
25:32right away
25:33was how obstructionist
25:35Maxwell was going to be.
25:36I asked her
25:38a pretty simple question.
25:40So, Ms. Maxwell,
25:41when did you first recruit
25:42a female to work
25:43for Mr. Epstein?
25:45She said,
25:46I don't understand
25:46what you mean by female.
25:49I don't understand
25:50what you mean by recruit.
25:51Please be more specific
25:52and clear.
25:54So that just shows you
25:55how difficult
25:57she was willing
25:58to make that deposition,
25:59how she was going
26:01to stop at nothing
26:02to not give information.
26:06Maxwell definitely
26:07had an air of entitlement
26:08is the best way
26:08I can describe it.
26:10How dare you bring me
26:11into a conference room
26:12and ask me questions?
26:14I know presidents.
26:15I know princes.
26:17And I should not be bothered
26:18with these kinds
26:19of allegations.
26:20There was another
26:21significant moment
26:22in the deposition
26:23where she actually
26:24gets so frustrated with me
26:26and so angry
26:27that she slams her fist
26:29on my conference room table
26:31causing my court reporter's
26:33stenographer machine
26:34to fall over.
26:36And my court reporter
26:37looked at me
26:38and said,
26:38I'm so scared.
26:39In that moment,
26:40I realized
26:41what the women
26:42that I represent
26:43have gone through.
26:44And to see how willing
26:46she was to come forward
26:47in that environment
26:48and attack
26:49at this level
26:50just confirmed
26:52everything that I knew
26:53about her.
26:55In the final analysis,
26:57they paid a lot of money
26:58to resolve it.
27:00The result
27:01of the defamation case
27:03was very important
27:04to Virginia,
27:04not only because
27:05of the economic security
27:07it gave her,
27:08but also it was
27:09a vindication.
27:11Remember,
27:12she had been accused
27:13by Maxwell
27:14of making this all up.
27:17I sometimes felt angry
27:19at the way
27:20she dismissed
27:22the victims
27:24of the sex trafficking.
27:25But there were times
27:26when I felt sorry
27:28for her, too.
27:28You know,
27:30I tried to
27:31understand
27:33what led somebody
27:34to do these things.
27:38I would never
27:39describe her
27:40as a victim.
27:42But I would
27:44describe her
27:44as
27:46a damaged
27:49human being.
27:50And what caused
27:51that damage,
27:52I don't know.
27:52I've never been
27:55able to understand
27:56why after
27:57our civil litigation
28:00was resolved,
28:01Maxwell
28:01did not
28:02go to
28:03the prosecutors
28:04and try to do a deal.
28:06She could have
28:07given them Epstein.
28:08Now, maybe she was
28:09just still
28:10too under
28:11Epstein's
28:13sway,
28:15but she
28:17somehow
28:17almost seemed
28:19to put that
28:20out of her mind
28:20and go forward
28:22as if it didn't
28:24happen.
28:25She should have
28:26known
28:26that her days
28:29were numbered.
28:29She started
28:38to turn up
28:39more again
28:40in London
28:41in the late
28:4320-teens.
28:45I felt that
28:45was probably
28:46quite
28:46shrewd
28:48and strategic
28:49on her part,
28:50that she wanted
28:50something that was
28:51away from
28:52the whole
28:53Epstein story.
28:54I think probably
28:55also she wanted
28:56to know
28:57if London
28:58was still
28:58talking to her.
29:00Things were
29:01clearly still
29:02unravelling
29:02at a rate
29:03of which
29:04I certainly
29:05was not
29:06aware at the
29:07time.
29:08You would never
29:09be able to tell
29:09if you met
29:10Maxwell what
29:11was going on.
29:11I mean,
29:11it was always
29:12the same
29:13smooth,
29:14ocean-going
29:14confidence.
29:16I met her
29:17through friends
29:18who brought her
29:19to a party
29:20that we were at.
29:22We talked
29:22about our
29:24Oxford years
29:25and she said
29:26it was a great
29:27time,
29:27wasn't it?
29:28I said,
29:28yeah,
29:28it was a great
29:29time.
29:29And she said,
29:30yes,
29:31it's sad,
29:32isn't it,
29:33how things
29:33turn out.
29:40A judge
29:40ruled this
29:41afternoon
29:41that federal
29:42prosecutors
29:43broke the
29:44law when
29:44they signed
29:45a plea
29:45agreement
29:46with Jeffrey
29:46Epstein.
29:47That's because
29:48the agreement
29:48was hidden
29:49from 30
29:50of his
29:50underage
29:51victims.
29:51The case
29:52received renewed
29:53attention
29:53after the
29:53Miami Herald
29:54published a
29:55lengthy
29:55investigation
29:56into the
29:56plea deal.
30:08January
30:092019.
30:12Oddly enough,
30:13she likes,
30:15clicks like
30:16on an
30:16Instagram
30:17post of
30:17mine.
30:18And her
30:19timing was
30:20pretty appalling
30:21because
30:21by now I
30:22know everything
30:23and I'm
30:24furious.
30:25I'm appalled.
30:27I'm disgusted
30:28because 20
30:30years ago,
30:31Ghislaine told
30:32me that she
30:32recruits three
30:34girls a day.
30:35But she was
30:36using the word
30:37girls.
30:39I literally
30:40just thought
30:40she was just
30:41talking about
30:41human beings,
30:43women,
30:43women in that article.
30:46I see all of that
30:48and I'm horrified
30:50that she was
30:53talking about
30:53children.
30:55We had been
30:56discussing
30:56children.
30:56It was hard to
30:58take on a lot of
31:01levels because I felt
31:05responsible in a way
31:07that I had
31:08known information
31:10that could have
31:13maybe made a
31:14difference.
31:16And I felt
31:18sick.
31:19I was
31:19disgusted with
31:20her.
31:21I felt I
31:22had let
31:24humanity
31:25down.
31:26And yet I
31:27didn't know
31:27what I didn't
31:28know.
31:29The
31:38billionaire
31:39American
31:39financier
31:40Jeffrey Epstein
31:41has been
31:41formally charged
31:42with the sex
31:43trafficking of
31:44dozens of
31:44underage teenage
31:45girls.
31:46The alleged
31:48behavior shocks
31:49the conscience.
31:51And while the
31:51charge conduct
31:52is from a
31:53number of years
31:54ago, it is
31:56still profoundly
31:57important to
31:58the men's
31:58alleged
31:59victims, now
32:01young women.
32:02They deserve
32:03their begging
32:04in court.
32:05This is a
32:06great day for
32:07victims and I'm
32:09humbled and
32:09inspired by
32:10their voices.
32:11Our clients
32:13are extremely
32:14gratified that
32:15these charges
32:16have finally
32:16been brought.
32:22Jeffrey Epstein
32:23found dead
32:24in an apparent
32:25suicide.
32:26The financier
32:27arrested on
32:28charges that
32:29he ran a
32:30sex trafficking
32:31ring, apparently
32:32killed himself
32:32today in
32:33prison.
32:34He took the
32:35easy way out,
32:36not having to
32:37face justice,
32:38not having to
32:39face the
32:39victims.
32:40And now it's
32:41entirely possible
32:41this entire
32:42thing may be put
32:43in a file and
32:43never seen
32:43again.
32:47I had plugged
32:48my phone in
32:49to charge.
32:50And when I
32:50plugged it in,
32:51I accidentally
32:51had swiped it
32:52to like the
32:53news thing.
32:54Then there was
32:56his face.
32:57I looked at
32:58this headline and
32:59it read,
33:00Jeffrey Epstein
33:01found in fetal
33:02position in jail
33:03cell.
33:05I was shaking,
33:07you know, my
33:07heart was racing,
33:09I was scared,
33:10I was crying,
33:12I didn't know
33:14what to do.
33:15I had spent 17
33:16years replaying
33:18all of that
33:19countless times.
33:24And I had
33:26spent 17
33:27years keeping
33:32that in a
33:33very, very
33:33tightly sealed,
33:36buttoned up
33:36space of shame.
33:39It was like a
33:40re-traumatization
33:42all over again.
33:44It was,
33:46the world,
33:47you know,
33:48shifted.
33:51But I knew
33:52that was that
33:53moment that I
33:53was like,
33:54you are not
33:55going to sit
33:56here anymore
33:56and stay
33:57silent.
34:03It's not how
34:04Jeffrey died,
34:04but it's how
34:05he lived.
34:06And we
34:08need to get
34:09to the bottom
34:09of everybody
34:10who was involved
34:11with that,
34:12starting with
34:12Ghislaine Maxwell.
34:14I went to
34:16New York City
34:17and spoke
34:17in federal
34:19court in
34:20August of
34:212019.
34:22I said,
34:24Ghislaine Maxwell
34:24needs to be
34:25held accountable
34:26because she's
34:28what got me
34:29there.
34:30She groomed
34:31me to
34:32walk myself
34:34to the home
34:34of a predator
34:35willingly.
34:36If it were
34:37not for her,
34:38I would not
34:39have been
34:40abused.
34:42Jeffrey Epstein
34:43may be dead,
34:44but the
34:45investigation
34:45continues
34:46into his
34:48web of
34:49abuse.
34:49According to
34:50new reports,
34:51the FBI
34:52has launched
34:53an investigation
34:53of the
34:54British
34:55socialite
34:56Ghislaine
34:56Maxwell.
34:57The big
34:57question,
34:58Lady Victoria,
34:58now is where
34:59is Ghislaine
35:00Maxwell?
35:01You knew
35:01her well.
35:02When did
35:02you last
35:02have any
35:03contact with
35:03her?
35:04I haven't
35:05seen her
35:05since September
35:06last year.
35:07I don't
35:10think,
35:11no one's
35:12going to
35:12find her.
35:18For
35:19months,
35:19prosecutors
35:20say Ghislaine
35:21Maxwell hid
35:21away in this
35:22New Hampshire
35:22mansion.
35:23But Thursday,
35:25FBI agents
35:26moved in.
35:27Good
35:28morning.
35:29Today,
35:30we announced
35:30charges against
35:31Ghislaine
35:32Maxwell for
35:33helping
35:34Jeffrey Epstein
35:35sexually exploit
35:37and abuse
35:38multiple
35:39minor girls
35:40who were
35:41as young
35:42as 14
35:44years old.
35:46The moment
35:47I got the
35:48phone call
35:48that Maxwell
35:49had been
35:49arrested,
35:50I called
35:51all of my
35:52clients.
35:53I remember
35:53crying on the
35:55phone with
35:55them.
35:56It was
35:57around 9
35:57o'clock in
35:58the morning,
35:58and I got
35:59a phone call
36:00from my
36:01lawyer,
36:01and she
36:02let me
36:03know that
36:04Ghislaine
36:05had been
36:05arrested.
36:07And I,
36:10I mean,
36:11it was like
36:11a celebration.
36:13I was laughing
36:15and crying
36:16at the same
36:16time.
36:17Today,
36:18after many
36:19years,
36:20Ghislaine
36:20Maxwell
36:21finally stands
36:22charged for
36:24her role
36:25in these
36:26crimes.
36:27She had
36:27hoped she
36:27could be
36:28released to
36:28a luxury
36:29hotel in
36:30New York
36:30to wait
36:30out the
36:31trial,
36:31but ultimately
36:32a judge
36:32said there
36:33were no
36:33set of
36:34conditions
36:34that could
36:35ensure she
36:35would not
36:36flee,
36:36the risk
36:37simply too
36:38great.
36:40After a
36:41life of
36:41luxury,
36:42this is now
36:42Ghislaine
36:43Maxwell's
36:43stone-cold
36:44reality,
36:45denied bail,
36:46imprisoned in
36:47solitary confinement,
36:48and heavily
36:49guarded here at
36:50the Metropolitan
36:50Detention
36:51Center in
36:52Brooklyn with
36:52her trial at
36:53least a year
36:54away.
36:55I'm still in
36:56a state of
36:57shock.
36:57I can't
37:00believe that
37:01Ghislaine would
37:02have stooped to
37:04that level.
37:05I really, part
37:07of me doesn't
37:08want to believe
37:09it, and part
37:09of me doesn't
37:10believe it.
37:12Not the
37:13Ghislaine I
37:13knew.
37:14But then again,
37:16a lot could
37:16happen in 40
37:17years.
37:18I'm sure that
37:20there are many
37:20people who do
37:22not view Ghislaine
37:23Maxwell through
37:23those lenses of
37:24a predator or
37:26a monster.
37:27They view her as
37:28whatever fun
37:30party they
37:30attended or
37:31whatever holiday
37:32they attended
37:33with her.
37:34She's not
37:35walking around
37:36shouting to
37:38the world that
37:38she was a
37:39predator.
37:40She wasn't
37:41sharing that at
37:42the holiday
37:42parties, you
37:44know?
37:45So I don't
37:45necessarily blame
37:46folks that
37:47can't see her
37:49that way.
37:50I think that
37:51sometimes people
37:52have,
37:53very deep,
37:54dark secrets,
37:55and this is a
37:56very deep,
37:57dark secret that
37:57she carried on,
37:59you know,
38:00the unfortunate,
38:01harsh reality it
38:02is for those that
38:03love and care for
38:04her.
38:10We're back this
38:11morning with the
38:12latest on the
38:12Ghislaine Maxwell
38:13sex trafficking
38:14trial.
38:15She denies all
38:16of the charges
38:16against her.
38:18Three women who
38:19say as teenagers
38:20they were exploited
38:21have so far
38:23given evidence at
38:23this trial.
38:27Today began the
38:28long-anticipated
38:29testimony of
38:30Annie Farmer,
38:31the only accusing
38:32witness stepping
38:34forward against
38:34Ghislaine Maxwell
38:35in her real name.
38:37And it began with
38:40the prosecution
38:40saying, is there
38:42anyone in this
38:42courtroom who has
38:43ever given you a
38:44massage?
38:45massage, and she
38:46said yes and
38:47identified the
38:48defendant.
38:49She said that she
38:50was asked to
38:51disrobe and told
38:53to turn around
38:55lying on her
38:56back, that
38:57Ghislaine Maxwell
38:58pulled down the
39:00sheet, exposing her
39:01breast and touching
39:02her breast.
39:03It was definitely
39:06Ghislaine who asked
39:07me first about
39:08my sister Annie
39:10because I was
39:13always bragging
39:14about her to
39:15everyone.
39:16I mean, she was
39:16my whole world, so
39:18I was like, oh
39:18my gosh, my
39:19sister's the
39:20smartest, the
39:20most beautiful, the
39:22most angelic.
39:23And I had
39:24definitely bragged
39:25about her to
39:25Epstein and to
39:26Ghislaine.
39:28This is in 1995.
39:29I was in Palm
39:30Beach, and I was
39:31sitting outside by
39:32the pool, and
39:34Ghislaine was, you
39:35know, leaning on
39:35a chaise, and she
39:37said, oh, it's too
39:39bad Annie's not
39:40here with us, you
39:41know, it would be
39:41very nice to have
39:42her here.
39:42And I said, oh,
39:43she would love it.
39:44She would have so
39:44much fun, definitely.
39:58Ghislaine's role
39:59with Annie was
40:01huge.
40:02It's everything.
40:04Because my mother
40:06and everyone
40:07believed, we all
40:09believed that Annie
40:10would be safe with a
40:11married couple.
40:13They told my mother
40:15that they were
40:15married.
40:16They told me they
40:17were married, you
40:18know, right when I
40:19first started working
40:20for them.
40:20But it was to make
40:21us feel safe.
40:22Because what woman
40:23is going to attack a
40:25child, right?
40:26We didn't know that
40:27women did that.
40:28And we didn't
40:29understand when we
40:31found out how a woman
40:32could participate in
40:33this.
40:34It was really the most
40:34shocking part.
40:35so after two very
40:45brisk weeks of trial,
40:47the government has
40:47rested.
40:49And it's rested with
40:50this explosive testimony
40:52from Annie Farmer.
40:54The other witnesses were
40:55crying as they recounted
40:57these really troubling
40:58memories.
40:59With Annie Farmer, it's a
41:00different dynamic.
41:01It's the unflappable
41:03Annie Farmer.
41:04I did tell Annie that
41:05I was very, that I was
41:07very proud of her, that
41:08she, that she was so
41:10brave.
41:12She did it for
41:13everybody.
41:13Like Virginia and
41:15Teresa and myself, she's
41:17just that generous, you
41:18know, that she would be
41:19thinking of everyone.
41:21This trial is incredibly
41:23important for everyone
41:24who's ever suffered, I
41:26think, any kind of sexual
41:27abuse.
41:28I'm concerned, very
41:31concerned if she's
41:32released.
41:33If she's not held
41:35accountable, that would
41:36be very damaging.
41:38I reported this thing 26
41:40years ago to the federal
41:42government.
41:43They nursed it, allowed it
41:44to exist very clearly for
41:4626 years.
41:47And it just makes me really
41:48mad that these people are
41:50able to get away with
41:53abusing as many people as
41:54they do because you don't
41:55recover from those things.
41:56They have all that
41:58power, all that
41:59credibility.
42:00And Ghislaine lent that
42:02credibility to Epstein.
42:03That's what she provided in
42:04this charade.
42:05What it did do to me, this
42:07experience, is it took away
42:08my trust in every human
42:09being on this earth.
42:11Because if you can't trust
42:12the people who are running
42:13the whole show, who can
42:15you trust?
42:16walking into that courtroom, my
42:24body was shaking, my heart
42:26was racing.
42:29Being in the same room with
42:32Ghislaine for the first time in
42:3519 years, I was overwhelmed
42:39physically.
42:40Her and I looked straight at one
42:45another.
42:46I didn't look away, not, I
42:48didn't blink.
42:49She looked away.
42:53This is me asserting my freedom
42:56and asserting my power and
42:59taking back what was taken from
43:03me.
43:04But I couldn't help but notice
43:10some of her body language, you
43:13know, just tossing her hair all
43:15about, like, she didn't really
43:18come across as someone fearful
43:21of outcomes.
43:24And that seems to be what she's
43:26still carrying, that presumption
43:29that all will turn out in her
43:33favor.
43:34And that's someone that's
43:36unwell, that's complete
43:39disconnect from what she's done.
43:42Out of lower Manhattan, where
43:43the Ghislaine Maxwell sex
43:44trafficking trial is now in its
43:4612th day.
43:47Well, first of all, the defense
43:48team for Ghislaine Maxwell, they
43:49did not start off the day today
43:51well at all.
43:52The judge scolding them for not
43:54having some of their witnesses
43:56ready to testify.
43:57Now, one of them is going to be
43:59ignoring a federal subpoena.
44:01Another one has COVID.
44:03Another one is 81 years old, lives
44:04in the UK and cannot be here until
44:06Monday.
44:07And then a fourth witness who is
44:10scheduled to testify is pleading
44:12the fifth.
44:13The defense case rested only two days
44:22in, in the trial of Ghislaine Maxwell.
44:24And usually when asked whether or not
44:26a criminal defendant will testify in
44:28their defense, it's yes or no, not
44:30Ghislaine Maxwell.
44:31She said, your honor, the government
44:33has not proven its case beyond a
44:35reasonable doubt.
44:36And so there is no need for me to
44:38testify.
44:39And that's the kind of Ghislaine Maxwell
44:41we've seen throughout this trial.
44:43Confident, relaxed, awaiting a faith
44:46that could see the rest of her life
44:48in prison.
44:48If she's feeling any sense of panic
44:50over that, she's not putting on a face
44:53that would show that.
44:54Breaking news in the Ghislaine Maxwell trial.
45:14She has been convicted.
45:16She stood there stony-faced as the jury
45:19read out the verdict.
45:21When the jury filed out, Ghislaine Maxwell
45:23poured a glass of water, hugged one of
45:26her lawyers, and was led out of the
45:28courtroom.
45:29Ghislaine Maxwell just got convicted of
45:32five of six of the serious counts
45:34against her, including the most serious
45:36counts, sex trafficking of a minor,
45:38which has a possible maximum penalty of
45:4140 years imprisonment.
45:42Mr. Maxwell, can we have a statement
45:48on behalf of the family, please?
45:50What is your reaction to the verdict?
45:52We firmly believe in Ghislaine's
45:54innocence.
45:55Obviously, we are very disappointed
45:57with the verdict.
45:58We have already started working on the
46:01appeal.
46:02Everyone, be healthy.
46:03Have a happy new year.
46:12It's a tremendous relief to be here.
46:24I wasn't sure that this day would ever
46:27come, and I just feel so grateful that
46:31the jury believed us and sent a strong
46:33message that perpetrators of sexual
46:36abuse and exploitation will be held
46:39accountable no matter how much power and
46:41privilege that they have.
46:44I don't think the verdict was a shock, but I
46:48did find it made me recoil.
46:52Looking at Ghislaine Maxwell striding around
46:55in Oxford all those years ago, there was
46:59something very attractive, very engaging,
47:02commanding about her, and that did make her
47:06someone you wanted to know.
47:11They enjoyed her company, and yet those
47:15same attributes were turned to really to
47:19something very, very wicked.
47:21If you'd said to me, this is where Ghislaine
47:26Maxwell will end up, this is what you'd be
47:29talking about today, I just said, this is
47:33crazy, you've got the wrong person.
47:34What Epstein did is almost a microcosm of how the world
47:45works, of very rich and powerful people exploiting
47:50people without that wealth and power.
47:53Maxwell did not do this because Epstein told her to.
48:11She did it in her own agency, her own will.
48:16She chose to perpetrate these crimes against young victims,
48:19and she benefited from those crimes.
48:21Epstein and Maxwell could not have accomplished what
48:25they did acting alone.
48:26They could not have had the scope and scale and
48:30duration of the sexual trafficking and abuse.
48:34Their collaborators, their enablers, their co-conspirators
48:39are all people who need to be brought to justice.
48:43The horrible heartache, collective heartache of all
48:47of this, for these two people to have created for so many
48:55people, and then so many other people off of that, families
48:59and parents and all the other things that stem off of this,
49:03you know, shame on you.
49:05Shame on you.
49:06And not on me.
49:16I don't wish harm.
49:22However, she does not deserve to be free.
49:24I can only hope that at some point she admits to herself
49:33what she's done, because I don't think she has at this point.
49:41No.
49:42I don't think she does not deserve to be free.
49:47I don't think she does not deserve to be free.
49:48I don't think she does not deserve to be free.
49:49I don't think she does not deserve to be free.
49:50I don't think she does not deserve to be free.
49:51I don't think she does not deserve to be free.
49:52I don't think she does not deserve to be free.
49:53I don't think she does not deserve to be free.
49:54I don't think she does not deserve to be free.
49:55I don't think she does not deserve to be free.
49:56I don't think she does not deserve to be free.
49:57I don't think she does not deserve to be free.
49:58I don't think she does not deserve to be free.
49:59I don't think she does not deserve to be free.
50:00I don't think she does not deserve to be free.
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