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When officers in suburban Indiana respond to a potential kidnapping and murder scene, body cam captures every tense moment of the standoff with the suspect.
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00:00Hey, 3532, someone came up to his door knocking on it, advising that they need officer assistance
00:24with the possible kidnapping and murder.
00:30Gentlemen are up.
00:37Second ship, we did have a run here between a guy and a girl, not getting along, but there
00:43were firearms, so let's just be advised of that.
00:49You guys on the way, you guys need more personnel down there?
00:59We got silver cards arriving, we should be okay.
01:02Take place as advising, please cut your sirens.
01:04All the way to the south, so somebody can get to the west.
01:11That's that white one on the corner.
01:12We need cars on the west side of the house.
01:26That's affirmative.
01:27Recording.
01:28Dispatch recording.
01:33What's your name?
01:34My name's Cynthia.
01:35Cynthia?
01:36Okay.
01:37So, who are the people inside the house?
01:40Heidi Hammond is her name.
01:42Heidi Hammond is that bitch's name.
01:47Heidi's boyfriend is Carrie.
01:48He's the one that was the aggressor.
01:49He's the one that had the gun.
01:50He's the one that had the baseball bat.
01:51Well, I want you to tell me what happened.
01:54Heidi brought me over here to help her clean her house and then Carrie invited me to the back
02:14room to sit down and eat.
02:19Just relax, okay?
02:20We'll figure this out, all right?
02:21Like, after I found the body, they started freaking out, telling me I had to stay.
02:35And he told me I had to strip completely naked.
02:38And he took a baseball bat and put it in my face.
02:40And I said I'm not.
02:42And I went out the back room.
02:46Okay.
02:47Hey guys, the female out here said that, uh...
02:50There's a subject in there named Carrie that threatened her with a bat, but he does have
02:54a gun inside the house.
02:55All right.
02:56Just stand up for me real quick.
02:57Put the cigarette out of him.
03:00Okay.
03:01Just block off the road.
03:02We got cars rolling through.
03:03We have a bunch of over here.
03:08Make sure somebody's walking the back.
03:10They're walking the back.
03:12We have cars out there.
03:13We got like...
03:14Someone walks in the back of that house.
03:15Coming up behind you guys.
03:16Tank cut here.
03:17Yeah, you're good.
03:18We're just gonna watch this in the alley.
03:19Uh...
03:20Don't go around the James side.
03:21We're watching the house on this side right now.
03:22I've got eyes on the back.
03:23Harris, if you can throw your spotlight or your area lights on, on that.
03:24Harris is getting on the PA.
03:25He's gotta call him out.
03:26If you are in 1801 Simpson, come to the door now.
03:29If you are in 1801 Simpson, come to the door now.
03:30If you are in 1801 Simpson, come to the door now.
03:32Come on up to the front door now.
03:34light or your area lights on on that there's this guy right here on the p.a you've got to call him out
03:40if you are in 1801 census come to the door now
03:47anyone in 1801 census come to the door now
03:54come on or off to the front door down with your hands on
03:58there is a van sitting out on the side of the house with his lights on right now
04:10okay there's someone in that van
04:14anybody have eyes on that on the other side yep i've got eyes on the back
04:18and i've got eyes on this lady get out of the van now
04:23i get it hey walk towards them over here car to you guys i'm a one man
04:36i got you oxford i'm down here hey yeah hey guys watch crossfire
04:47ma'am walk over here to them get out of the van and come to me walk towards them
04:53walk towards the back of your van come to me turn around
05:14are you having me up for the moment yeah what's going on what's your name heidi oh god heidi what
05:22carter please can i have something to drink not right now i've got this girl in coast
05:27keep who else is in that van nobody so who's the guy in there oh my god
05:37talk to you very what
05:43carrie hammonds yes he's been terrorizing me like non-stop i can't get him just relax
05:50is anybody hurt in that house yes who who who who i'm trying to help her who is hurt is somebody
05:56hurt in that house who two people it's sick it's so sick yes is somebody dead in that house yes
06:06i need to get away from me she's saying somebody's dead now okay listen to me for a second take a
06:09breath take a breath i need to know who is in that house there's alive yes well i don't know now
06:16um try to get names um amanda she's being like can you get out of here he killed amanda i don't know
06:26what he was trying to you no she was alive when you're just a minute ago okay he had her same
06:32silly like foot of the bed okay um shackles and i'm holding her because he's trying to make her
06:36strip down and i'm holding her i'm trying to take care of the one he killed her boyfriend in front of
06:42her in that house yes he killed amanda's boyfriend yes i don't know his um tim tim i think
06:51it's so up did you guys hear me crying or is there somebody calling because i was crying
06:59so listen to me listen to me look at me carrie killed amanda's boyfriend yes how
07:05he said um with his bare hands oh so you didn't actually see it no did you see a body yes there's
07:10a body in there of the boyfriend yes he can turn a body and a blanket this girl's saying that carrie
07:22hammonds killed a girl named amanda's boyfriend and the boyfriend is inside the house dead
07:27just get on the pa just hey
07:39anyone in 18-1 on stenson come to the door now that's all i want that's all i want
07:45no because hey if there's a possibility he's got a gun
07:49i'm sorry there's a movement at the north windows second four harris if you can throw your stereo
07:56lights on on that if you are in 1801 citizen come to the door now
08:08hey you guys on the southeast there if they come out are you calling to you
08:13okay anybody in 1801 come to the front door with your hands
08:17come out of the house come out now get out here now he keeps reaching out to the right of the door
08:34though yeah hey you want to move up cover your guy on the pa there's a possibility he's got a gun
08:39he's got something in his hands hands up
09:07okay whoa whoa whoa hey hey hey hey stop stop don't shoot back there
09:18yeah we're good everybody hold
09:24everybody hold do not move do not reach sir do not reach do not reach
09:32all right how far are you with the bearcat
09:38i'm heading your way it is on the perimeter when i get the bearcat here we're going to get
09:43some guys with armor we're going to go up and check him that way everybody else just hold
09:52everybody check in
09:53all right if you're rolling that bearcat bring straight down stinson from broadway
09:58somebody hey can anybody can you can anybody see on that side can you see him here keep an eye on
10:05you got him you got him oxford i got him all right all right all right oxford cover the windows
10:11got it we're going hey get somebody secure him guys i'll go contact
10:18and then watch and then everybody else cover the door ready go go go go go go watch your door
10:24back
10:27over your shoulder over your shoulder
10:33you're good let's move up on the door
10:38yep yep yep yep yep yep yep nope
10:42okay i need a couple more
10:44Okay, police department, if you're in the house, be known!
10:51All right, you guys ready?
11:01Got a long haul, multiple doors.
11:03Ready?
11:04Go, go, go.
11:06I got the long haul.
11:08We're clearing the house.
11:14Can you go with me?
11:17Okay.
11:18Clear.
11:19Coming out.
11:20A long haul.
11:21Bedroom right here.
11:23Stairs to the right.
11:25Coming up behind you guys.
11:27Coming out.
11:28Got one more dog right here.
11:30All right.
11:31All right.
11:32Police department, if you're upstairs, make yourself down now!
11:35On you.
11:36Ready?
11:37Go, Randy.
11:38Hey, one more!
11:41You got a long haul?
11:42Yeah, I got a long.
11:43I got a long.
11:44Go ahead.
11:45Go, go, go in.
11:46Cover, cover, cover, cover, cover.
11:47Need one.
11:48Need one.
11:49In there, in there, in there.
11:50Good.
11:51Back, dogs!
11:52Hold on, we got another room back here.
11:54Get back.
11:55Get back.
11:56Ma'am?
11:57Ma'am?
11:58Did you want me to get up?
11:59I need an officer!
12:01Go, go, go, go, go.
12:14Go, go, go, go.
12:16Sam, can you get up?
12:18I need an officer!
12:20Go, go, go, go.
12:22Where you at? Where you at?
12:24Back here, back here. I got a female down
12:26and I got blood.
12:32Back up, back up.
12:34Hey, you got any weapons?
12:36Okay, hey, I need you to come.
12:38Thank you, boy.
12:40Okay, come to me.
12:42No weapons, correct?
12:44What's your name? Amanda.
12:46Amanda? Okay, Amanda.
12:48I have blood on you.
12:50He beat me with a baseball bat. Who did?
12:52Who beat you with a baseball bat?
12:54What's his name? I don't know.
12:56Okay. Okay.
12:58Come here.
13:00Come here.
13:02You coming to me?
13:06Guys, we're coming up.
13:08We need to get her out of the house.
13:10Is a hammer on the way?
13:12Yes, sir.
13:14I got you.
13:16Okay.
13:17Keep walking.
13:18Keep walking.
13:19Keep walking.
13:20Let him know he's coming out of the house.
13:22We got a deputy coming out with a female.
13:24He's got a head injured.
13:26He's coming out the front door.
13:28Luke, tell him we're coming out the front.
13:30Guys, we're coming out the front with a female.
13:32Coming out the front with a female.
13:34Come back here. Keep coming. Keep coming.
13:36Keep coming.
13:38He killed my boyfriend.
13:40Who's your boyfriend?
13:42He killed my baby.
13:44Okay.
13:45Come back here.
13:46Come back here.
13:58Keep coming. We're going to sit back here by the street.
14:00He.
14:02I see.
14:03My female back here is saying that the body is in the back bedroom on the left hand side covered up with a bunch of clothes and blankets.
14:10We need to check this blanket here.
14:14Is that the Argentine?
14:15Yep.
14:16Supposedly a body under all this.
14:17Okay.
14:18You want to just kind of pull the covers back on body cam here?
14:21Yep, we got a body.
14:30Oh, duct tape?
14:32Yep.
14:33Mail?
14:34Mail.
14:35Looks like it.
14:37Is he mad, isn't it?
14:40He's got rater mortis.
14:43No, not for this body.
14:46I don't think we need it.
14:48We have officers that are available and can transport civilian witnesses to headquarters.
15:09Can you do it, sir?
15:10Yeah, for sure.
15:13Hey, girl.
15:14Got anything on you?
15:15She told me her in any way, shape or form.
15:17Anything?
15:18Hey, let me send it.
15:19Anything I need to know about before I find it?
15:22We have guns, knives, as much as I can in the hands.
15:26You don't have any on you?
15:28I don't know and I don't know what.
15:30Okay.
15:31Okay, go ahead.
15:32We're going to stand up.
15:33My arms are hurting right there.
15:34You're okay.
15:35Ready?
15:36One, two, three.
15:37I got it.
15:38Hang tight right here.
15:39Is everybody dead?
15:40No.
15:41Hang tight right here.
15:42What's in your pants?
15:45Is there a gun in your pants?
15:47Yes.
15:48If it has been added, it's am right, 535, 0525.
15:59Around 11pm, Evansville police officers were dispatched for a possible kidnapping and murder.
16:05An adult female victim was still on scene and told officers that she went to the residence
16:09residents to visit with Heidi Carter. She saw a dead body and ran out of the home to get help.
16:15Officers located 36-year-old Heidi Carter outside of the home near a vehicle.
16:22What's in your pants? Is there a gun in your pants?
16:27Don't move.
16:39Yep. Quit moving.
16:49Yeah, it's loaded.
16:51It's not my gun.
16:56Don't move.
16:57A male rushed out of the front door in an aggressive manner and several officers fired at
17:12the suspect to stop the perceived threat. The suspect was pronounced dead on scene. Once
17:17officers cleared the home, officers located an adult female victim who had been tied up,
17:23shackled, and had visible injuries. Another individual was located inside the residence,
17:29but unfortunately was deceased and beyond help. He had been restrained, duct-taped, beaten,
17:36and strangled. The manner of death will be released by the Vandenberg County Coroner's Office at a later
17:41time.
17:44All right. Just hang on. We'll get it all sorted out.
17:57Oh, my God.
18:11Right over here.
18:32Right here.
18:33It's Wednesday morning now. I want to go back about 24 hours, maybe a little more,
18:45and I want you to kind of walk me through what your day was like.
18:48Um, Carrie pushed me to, you know, just like randomly find a woman that we could hook up with.
18:56Right.
18:56So I do that, and I talk to this chick that's Amanda. Well, she has a boyfriend, okay?
19:02Mm-hmm.
19:03And she was wanting to come over and have her boyfriend come with. I told Carrie,
19:07and he, he said no. So that didn't happen. Well, then, fast forward. One day, I don't
19:12think I've seen him Monday evening. Amanda said something about coming over, and I did make a
19:16comment. I said, um, your boyfriend's gonna watch or something.
19:19Uh, and what happened once they got there? Did anything, like, sexual happen?
19:25Mm-hmm.
19:25Okay. Did anybody else come in?
19:28Carrie.
19:28What happened when Carrie showed up?
19:30Um, he was very mad. He was arguing and stuff, and, um, he just wasn't comfortable with
19:36another man being there and everything.
19:38Mm-hmm.
19:39He, he had hit him, he had hit her, and he, uh, had punched him, and he grabbed
19:45and killed him with his bare hands.
19:48Did he ever do anything to her?
19:49Yeah.
19:50What did he do to her?
19:51Oh, he did sexual things to her. Um, he, he hit her, um.
19:56Did you call 9-1-1?
19:59I couldn't call 9-1-1. I couldn't be the one that could, that standoff
20:03shit happened, or.
20:03Why didn't you call 9-1-1?
20:05Because I called 9-1-1, I'm the reason why the cops come, and I'm the reason why he
20:09ended up killing everybody in the house. Like, I, I, he wanted, he wanted so, like,
20:14so, I was, I was wrong, was it wrong?
20:16He'd been tied up and raped a girl in front of you.
20:19Yes.
20:19You didn't think to call 9-1-1?
20:20Oh, I can't, um, can I go upstairs, because I'm, there's, I don't even know if they're
20:33shot, you don't.
20:33I understand.
20:36So, what happened with Cynthia? Did she help you guys clean?
20:39Yeah, yeah, yeah.
20:41Did you ever tell her she couldn't leave?
20:43No, I never told her that.
20:44Mm-hmm.
20:44I mean, I.
20:45Okay, uh, give me just a minute, I'll be right back, okay?
20:50Okay, thank you.
20:52Can you use the bathroom or anything?
20:54Yeah, actually.
20:54Okay, hang tight for just a second.
20:56Okay.
21:09I, I really appreciate you taking the time to talk to me.
21:13Um, so, Heidi's there, Carrie's there, hits Tim with the bat, hits you with the bat,
21:20restrains you, okay?
21:22Well, what happened after that?
21:23He raped me.
21:25Eddie was there, too.
21:27She wasn't touching me, but she was there and encouraging him.
21:31And then he would come in and he would hold a gun up to me.
21:33And what happened after that?
21:36Yeah.
21:37Um, Carrie came in and he started to wrap the belt around his neck.
21:40And Carrie stood there and he just, he kept holding it and he was like, did you think you
21:46guys were going to get out of this?
21:49They told us the entire time that that's what they were doing, they were going to kill us.
21:53Well, what happened after that?
21:55I woke up at some point and he was wrapped up in a blanket.
21:58Mm-hmm.
22:01They pulled him out, but I don't know where they were taking him.
22:04Okay.
22:05Who moved him?
22:07Carrie and Heidi.
22:09Well, uh, Amanda, I'm sorry if I had to go through all this.
22:13Um, uh, Carrie did not survive, so.
22:17And we're going to make sure that the people are held accountable, okay?
22:30Okay.
22:31Can you see her?
22:32Yeah.
22:32Okay, good.
22:33Good.
22:35Are we okay to keep talking?
22:36Um, yeah.
22:38So there's some things that Amanda told me at the hospital that don't exactly line up with
22:44what you're telling me.
22:45Uh, like, you helped restrain her.
22:51You helped tape up Tim.
22:53Uh, you encouraged him while he was raping her.
22:56I encouraged him.
22:57That you had the gun in that room and made threats to both of them to kill them both.
23:04I think, uh, the way she tells it, you were a lot more involved in what you're telling me here.
23:19I'm a, I'm a lot more involved?
23:21Like, uh, like, how would I be a lot more involved?
23:24What happened in the room?
23:25Like, oh, I have two shirts on.
23:26Can I take this one off?
23:27I guess you need to.
23:28All right.
23:28Um, ultimately, you did nothing to help them.
23:35In the beginning, and then, because he even said, because I didn't, I did nothing to help him?
23:41No.
23:41What are you doing?
23:42Okay.
23:43You could have done a million different things to get him.
23:45You're saying I did the same as him?
23:47I'm, uh, what are you saying?
23:48Yeah.
23:49For the crimes that took place in your house, you are just as much as responsible as he is.
23:55Absolutely.
23:58All right.
23:59Well, I'm gonna go for now.
24:02Okay.
24:02I haven't talked to the prosecutor, but there'll be charges stemming from what happened in your house.
24:12Heidi Carter was arrested and booked to the following charges.
24:16Murder, rape, two counts of felony, criminal confinement,
24:21assisting a criminal, carrying a handgun without a license,
24:24and abuse of a corpse.
24:48She needed to pay for her part in it because she was acting like she was a victim,
24:53and Tim was the victim.
24:56He fought like hell.
24:59He fought to the last breath.
25:00And now that that trial is finally over,
25:12CB tells me she's grateful for the chance to reconnect with her now 19-year-old daughter,
25:17who's been by her side during this recovery process.
25:20I caught lax towing.
25:32He, uh, is an inexperienced driver.
25:36Okay.
25:36Oh, yep.
25:38I just got out and, like, just looked around for a moment.
25:53And when he went to get back in, he wasn't able because of the angle to pull it out.
25:58I don't know.
25:58He's right there if you want to talk to him.
25:59Okay.
26:00We'll talk.
26:01Hey, partner, come on.
26:01Talk to me real quick.
26:02Sure.
26:02I appreciate it, man.
26:03I'm really cold.
26:04Is it okay if it's in here?
26:05Because it's fine.
26:06He can't hold his pants because he had the rest of mine.
26:08That's fine.
26:08I did not know that.
26:10No, that's...
26:11Please stay in the car, all right?
26:14Nobody else in the car?
26:15No, okay.
26:16Just us.
26:16I'm the father.
26:17That's the mother.
26:17That's the best son.
26:18He just brought us 20 minutes ago and said,
26:20Dad, I parked for the boat ramp and I messed up.
26:22I tried to get out of the car and slid down.
26:24Well, you're not hurt, right?
26:25You're okay?
26:25No, just a little cold is all.
26:27Thankfully.
26:28What were you doing down here, bud?
26:29Well, I felt like I needed to get out, like...
26:31Okay.
26:32And I figured, why not park here and just...
26:35Just relax a little bit?
26:36Just relax and think.
26:37Okay.
26:38And I parked on the boat ramp and I thought it would be easy to get out.
26:41Uh-huh.
26:41But yeah, then...
26:43Yeah, then it slid into the river.
26:45I was able to get out.
26:47We've called so many killing companies and nobody can help us.
26:51And then one of them said, just call the state police.
26:52I'll help you out.
26:53Let me cope this way.
26:54Just see how we're going to handle this, man.
26:57Sorry?
26:57Is he free to go?
26:59I'm sure he'd like to go home and get warm.
27:00Yeah, it's not a crash.
27:02It's...
27:03Okay.
27:03This is stupid.
27:04I don't.
27:07All right.
27:07I'm going to take him home then and then we'll come back.
27:11Okay, quick question for you.
27:17Sure.
27:18The back bumper, I don't know, you can probably see it from here.
27:24There's a lot of red on the back of that.
27:26Yeah.
27:27Drip it down at all a little bit, but underneath the license plate, a little area right there.
27:32Okay.
27:35Okay.
27:35A lot of red.
27:37It looks like blood.
27:39It looks like blood.
27:41Blood?
27:42Yeah.
27:43I don't know if your...
27:44Did your son hurt himself on his way out at all?
27:45I don't know.
27:46He might have, but he just didn't know it.
27:47I don't know.
27:48That's why I'm asking.
27:49It's a good question.
27:50He's at home.
27:51We should make sure he's not got a cut or...
27:53Something out on him somewhere that he doesn't know.
27:55I don't know.
27:56I don't know.
27:57I don't know.
27:58I don't know.
27:59I don't know.
28:00I don't know.
28:01I don't know.
28:02That's why I'm asking.
28:02It's a good question.
28:03He's at home.
28:04We should make sure he's not got a cut or...
28:05He said he's going to bed.
28:07Something out on him somewhere that he's not aware of.
28:09Maybe because his adrenaline was a little high.
28:11Maybe just have him do like a self-check.
28:14Make sure he's okay.
28:17Hello?
28:18Brian, are you okay?
28:20They see blood on the back bumper of the vehicle.
28:24Really?
28:25Yeah.
28:26Did you get hurt?
28:27No, I'm fine.
28:33There's blood on it?
28:37Is it good?
28:38My car good?
28:39No, Brian.
28:39They're trying to get it out.
28:40It's fine.
28:41We'll call you back.
28:42I'm going to move my car.
28:48I'm going to warm up while he works.
28:49Yeah, that's what I was thinking.
28:51I'm going to go sit in my car.
28:57I found something in my son's closet wrapped in a plastic bag.
29:13Okay.
29:13What was it?
29:15I think it's a human head.
29:20It's a what?
29:21I think it's a human head.
29:23Why do you think it's that?
29:24Because it looks like it's all an ear.
29:29Is it all, is it bloody or does it, like, anything like that?
29:31I just need to come.
29:33Don't do I have to.
29:55Can you walk me inside?
29:57Let me do it.
29:57Let's sit down.
29:58Come on, sit down, please.
30:00Can I go in there and verify here first?
30:02Oh, yeah, please.
30:03We haven't seen it yet.
30:03We never looked at it.
30:04It's under the towel.
30:05It's the same thing.
30:05Okay.
30:12Stay with you, Marvin.
30:12Get up.
30:17I have to take it.
30:17You can go in the same place.
30:18Okay.
30:19Uh, well, okay.
30:20Stay right there.
30:20No, no, no, no.
30:21Yeah.
30:22Top 10.
30:23Okay.
30:23I had a bad feeling about what happened this weekend.
30:27Okay.
30:27She said there's a bag in this closet, and she opened it up.
30:31And she called me and said, get over here right now.
30:37I caught her with the towel.
30:39Okay.
30:39Let me see it, because we didn't want him to run.
30:41I don't want to look at it.
30:47That was a thing.
30:48Yeah.
30:49Yeah.
30:53I don't know.
30:55I don't know.
31:052242, are you clear for a call?
31:08Yeah, you might want to call investigations.
31:11The head's in the sink.
31:12What's that?
31:13Does it sound by my voice that it looks real?
31:15No, it is.
31:19There's no denying it.
31:27He left Friday night, late in the morning.
31:30Our phone rings at my house.
31:33Dad, this is Brian.
31:34My son, Brian.
31:35Same name, same birthday.
31:36Jeff, my first one.
31:38My car's stuck in the river.
31:41Wait, wait, wait, what?
31:42So we go there, and he gives us a song and dance.
31:44How it was a full moon.
31:45He wanted to pull down into the water.
31:47And next thing you know, since it's a one-wheel drive,
31:49we tried to put it in reverse, and the car started sliding.
31:51And next thing you know, he ended up in a roof.
31:52So we get there to pick him up.
31:54We call the police.
31:55So they call the tow truck company.
31:57Where's the car?
31:58It's all blood all over.
31:58Where's the car?
31:59Where is the car?
32:00So we told it to Scotty to see if they could fix it.
32:02So I called Scotty and said, don't touch it.
32:04I already called him and said, don't touch it.
32:06Nothing was taken out of the vehicle?
32:07Yes, I did.
32:08What did you take out of the vehicle?
32:09I cleaned it up.
32:10So I put out bottles of this.
32:12And I'm like, Brian, why is it all in your car?
32:15Dad, I don't feel safe.
32:16There's a wallet in the car.
32:17And I'm like, Brian, whose wallet?
32:18Oh, I found just a boat lamp.
32:20Um, everything incriminating stuff.
32:22Do you know where that stuff is?
32:24Yes, it's all at the house.
32:27Yeah, it should be a green passenger car.
32:28His car should be at Scotty's, and it should be a green passenger car.
32:33Okay, we'll work on that now.
32:35I can't believe it.
32:37Oh my God.
32:39It's kind of a time to not really know what to do, so.
32:44I don't know what happened.
32:45They ran them too.
32:48I don't get it.
32:49I don't have any answers.
32:51How old is Brian?
32:52He's 19.
32:53He's 19.
32:54Yeah.
32:5419.
32:55Mom, what's your, what's your name?
32:59My name is Terry.
33:00Terry, okay.
33:01Are you okay?
33:01Do you need anything medical?
33:02Well, we're waiting on a call from my doctor.
33:05Okay, okay.
33:06So like I said, we've got an investigation unit that's going to come here.
33:09So, just, I know you guys have a lot going on right now.
33:12It's a lot to process, so we'll work with you every step of the way as much as we can.
33:17All right, so hang tight right here.
33:19I got to chat with my partners again, okay?
33:20What's going on, man?
33:47Okay, so parents have some concerns
33:50of some stuff they may have found in your room?
33:52Um, yeah, I believe so.
33:55And what would it be?
33:59A human head and hands.
34:05Like, for real human head and hands?
34:07Yes.
34:07From?
34:10That fellow who went missing recently.
34:11Which fellow was that?
34:13Warren Brown.
34:15When did he go missing?
34:17The night of the 27th.
34:21Okay.
34:21And how did you end up with him?
34:24I murdered him.
34:25With what?
34:27A knife.
34:28Okay.
34:28Do you have anything on?
34:29He's going to cut, poke, hurt, stigma, anything without reaching for nothing?
34:32Don't reach for nothing.
34:32Okay.
34:33My phone and my wallet.
34:34That's it.
34:35Okay.
34:35Well, I'm going to have you face that way.
34:36Put your hands on top of your head for me real quick.
34:37I just want to make sure that interlates your fingers for me real quick.
34:39All right.
34:40Go ahead.
34:43Okay.
34:43And where's the rest of his body at?
34:46Huh?
34:46Where's the rest of the body at?
34:48What parts?
34:49The body, Brian.
34:50Where's his body?
34:51Down the river.
34:53Okay.
34:54I'm going to have you walk over here.
34:55You're going to sit in the back of my partner's control bar for a minute, okay?
34:58Just sit back there and hang out for me, okay?
34:59How are you?
35:00I'm good, sir.
35:00How are you?
35:01You said your name is Brian?
35:02Yeah.
35:02Yeah.
35:03I'm not feeling too well.
35:04You're not feeling too well?
35:05I know these past few days I've been very, very anxious.
35:08That's understandable.
35:09So what we're going to have you do here is I'm just going to have you sit in the back here, okay?
35:12Uh-huh.
35:12I'm going to turn on the air for you in a second.
35:15That way you're not too hot.
35:16Are you a hot-blooded or cold-blooded kind of guy?
35:18I am very cold-blooded.
35:20I prefer cold.
35:21Well, no.
35:21Actually, sorry.
35:22Hot with.
35:23Hot with.
35:23So you prefer the cold.
35:24Okay, fantastic.
35:25All right.
35:26So hop in here.
35:26I know you're tall, so it's a little bit of a tight squeeze.
35:28But like I said, I'll get that air on for you.
35:30Sorry about that.
35:31All right.
35:31Okay, so I'm going to have investigators come out here to talk and do everything.
35:38We'll keep everybody out of the house so I can just secure the house because we'll have
35:41to do a search warrant and all that stuff, okay?
35:44All right.
35:44Okay.
35:45All right.
35:45Can I go in and get my things?
35:47Mm-hmm.
35:47Like my hair dryer and my deodorant?
35:49Uh, not for right now.
35:52We're just going to leave it the way it is.
35:55I'm having the suspect head to the sheriff's office now.
35:58Just take him down to investigations.
36:01All right, Brian.
36:06We're headed to the sheriff's office.
36:11Okay, Brian.
36:15No problem, sir.
36:24So have a seat and we'll be with you in a moment, okay?
36:27Okay.
36:28Thanks, Brian.
36:31Okay.
36:36Well, this is Lisa.
36:37Hi, how are you?
36:39I'm okay.
36:39Good day.
36:40It's never really good.
36:41Just okay.
36:42Okay.
36:43Can you have any seats?
36:44Um, sure.
36:45Ooh, this is a special chair.
36:47No, this is a special chair because it's softer, and I'm worried.
36:53So, we never met, have we?
36:54No.
36:55Okay.
36:56And how did you get here?
36:58So, because, I mean, I'm already going to jail for this 15 years, probably?
37:03Well, I figured, oh, I fight it.
37:05Okay.
37:06Um, let's see.
37:08Yeah, it was the night of February 27th.
37:12It was a full moon.
37:13I'm cruising around, and I'm eventually driving underneath the bridge near the sheriff's office.
37:22I'm like, how can I?
37:24Can I?
37:25Oh, yeah.
37:25Go ahead.
37:32So, let's just say this is the office, right?
37:35Take a turn, and here is the bridge.
37:39And it was right here.
37:42And I was driving along, and I see a shape here on the railway track, wrapped in a canvas.
37:49So, I'm like, oh, interesting.
37:53That's a homeless person.
37:55So, I grabbed my knife, and I took the knife.
37:58I pulled back the canvas, and I stabbed his neck.
38:02And I said, I've been wanting to do this for a long time.
38:08And when I was finished stabbing him, he took out his last breath, a grunt.
38:14And then, I cut off his head, and I took the head, put it in a leftover pizza box from the dinner
38:22a few nights to do.
38:24I cut off his hands.
38:25I put those in plastic Ziploc bags.
38:28And then, I cut off his right arm, threw it out, took the left armpit, threw it out.
38:37So, it's somewhere around that bridge?
38:38It's, yeah, they're still there.
38:41They're where all the blood is.
38:44Were you worried about, like, leaving evidence behind or being caught?
38:47Totally.
38:48So, tell me about that and what you did there.
38:51I'm going to try going to sleep, but I was worried.
38:55I decided that's too much evidence.
38:57The body needs to be dumped in a river.
39:00Okay.
39:00God knows where he is now.
39:02So, keep an eye out for any river-related activities.
39:06Okay.
39:21Yeah.
39:37It's right here.
39:40Yeah.
39:41Because there's an arm.
39:43There's an arm.
39:44There's another arm.
39:47Do some pictures.
39:48Right.
39:50Here's a leg.
39:53Well, it could be the upper arm or a leg.
39:55Well, there's three.
39:57There, there, and there.
39:58Just yellow tape it and then hold it.
40:02Because the potential is that there's a secondary by the boat launch.
40:07But if we can get the lab out here, that would be the best thing.
40:11Yeah.
40:11Get forensics out of here.
40:13Holy hell.
40:14Yeah.
40:15Well, I'm done.
40:18You know, Brian, I have to ask, and I think you've answered it, but I'm not 100% sure.
40:31You said you've thought about doing this.
40:33Yeah.
40:34Yeah.
40:35Um, have you ever done it before?
40:37No.
40:38No.
40:39Okay.
40:39You gotta ask, right?
40:40Yeah.
40:42I'm not a serial killer, by no means.
40:44I mean, I'm very curious.
40:48How do you feel about all this now?
40:54I mean, the next 15 years of my life, book set in stone, prison.
41:00Um, if I go back that night, I wouldn't have done it, knowing that, knowing what it felt
41:11like, knowing how this wall turned out, I wouldn't have done it.
41:16The sentencing hearing started with the outpouring of grief for Warren Barnes, a beloved member of
41:31the downtown community, especially Terry Cohee, the defendant's mother.
41:35And the lesson I took from this, no matter who you are, no matter where you are or what
41:48you do, you are loved just like Warren, and you will be missed.
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