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The big talking point of this edition of 'To The Point' is the controversy surrounding the Netflix thriller 'Ghooskhor Pandat' following protests from Brahmin groups.
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00:00One title, Massive Controversy
00:11Who score, Pundit Rao erupts
00:19Title sparks outrage before release
00:30Netflix makers drag to court
00:45Art, Politics and Cancel Culture
00:52Free Speech or Red Line
01:01Should Art have Limits?
01:15Who decides what offence?
01:23Is expression absolute?
01:29Or should there be limitations to where freedom of expression is concerned?
01:33That's our big debate right on top of 7pm.
01:35Good evening, I'm Preeti Chaudhary and you're watching To The Point.
01:39Alami will take you through the headlines first.
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03:30Well, what's in a name?
03:31Well, quite a lot.
03:33Especially when it comes down to politics and when it comes down to controversy.
03:38For Netflix's upcoming thriller, Ghuz Khod Pandit, it's triggered, just the name of it,
03:43a major controversy even right before release.
03:46Protests have erupted over the pairing of Ghuz Khod with pandits.
03:52With Brahmin groups across the country taking up kajals,
03:55calling it an attempt to defame the community.
03:58What's in the name?
04:02Well, sometimes a name in itself can be the reason of a massive controversy.
04:08Netflix's upcoming thriller, Ghuz Khod Pandit, directed by Neeraj Pandey and starring Manoj Vajpayee,
04:14has triggered outrage even before its release.
04:17Core of contention, the name Ghuz Khod Pandit.
04:20Objections have been raised to the use of the word Pandit,
04:26meaning priest or religious scholar paired with Ghuz Khod, a term associated with bribery.
04:32Protesters alleged the title is defamatory and insults the dignity of pandit community.
04:37Legal lotuses have now been sent to Netflix and the makers,
04:41accusing them of hurting religious sentiments and disturbing social harmony.
04:45Breaking their silence, director Neeraj Pandey and actor Manoj Vajpayee said all promotional material have been taken down.
04:54They clarified the title refers to only a fictional character and does not target any caste, religion or community.
05:00But the outrage continues.
05:02Members of the Brahmin community have taken to the streets in Mathurand Bhopal,
05:06demanding a change in the title.
05:07RSS has also condemned the title, calling it unacceptable.
05:30In Uttar Pradesh, Chief Minister Yogi Adityanath has ordered an FIR against the filmmakers and Manoj Vajpayee,
05:38accusing them of disturbing social harmony.
05:40The NHRC has also taken cognizance of the matter.
05:45And this controversy comes just a day after another Bollywood firestorm.
05:48Veteran actor Naseeruddin Shah came under fire for an article questioning what he called
05:58Vishwaguru politics after Mumbai University disinvited him from an event,
06:03remarks that trigger political backlash.
06:07Even music maestro A.R. Rehman recently faced sharp criticism,
06:11forcing a clarification over his remarks on communal bias.
06:14While each incident is very different from the other,
06:17the larger question of freedom of expression remains.
06:21On one hand, a university spoke power to truth,
06:24echoing what Naseeruddin Shah had alleged.
06:26On the other, with a name like Ghuskorpandat
06:29and sentiments of a particular community being hurt,
06:32the question arises,
06:33should there be limits to freedom of expression
06:36or should it be absolute?
06:38Bureau Report, India Today.
06:39Should there be limits to freedom of expression
06:44or should it be absolute?
06:46And should there be hounding of someone like Naseeruddin Shah
06:49who only expressed what his views were?
06:52Let's take it to our panelists this evening.
06:54Joining me, Mr. Vineet Jindal.
06:56He's an advocate.
06:56He's one of the petitioners in court
06:59that has taken the film Ghuskhor Pandit to court,
07:03wanting it to be pulled off
07:05because he, like some other Brahmin groups,
07:08feel that this is defamatory to the community.
07:11I also have with me Tahseen Poonawala,
07:13political analyst, Pandit Ajay Gautam,
07:15founder, Hum Hindu,
07:17and Girish Vankhade, movie trade analyst.
07:19I want to begin with Mr. Jindal.
07:22What is the reason why you have approached the court
07:25because you think that this particular title
07:28could defame the Brahmin community?
07:32Because it's happened before.
07:33There have been many titles in the past
07:35which have gone on
07:36and, you know, many have watched the film
07:38not in the context of community
07:40but in the context of cinema.
07:48Unmute yourself, sir.
07:51Sorry.
07:52So, look, definitely there would be a community,
07:57there would be creativity for making movies
07:59but creativity doesn't give you any right
08:01to defame anyone
08:03and it is about a particular community
08:05which we are talking about here.
08:07The word which has been used here
08:09is itself a defamatory.
08:11It is kind of, you know,
08:12calling someone in abusing language.
08:15It is not a very, you know, proud word.
08:17So, when any person using this word
08:21for any particular community,
08:23that is defamatory
08:24and why this word has been used,
08:28it should be stopped now.
08:29We have seen in past
08:30there are so many incidents
08:32where, you know,
08:33this kind of defamatory...
08:34But, Vinay Jindal,
08:35how is the word ghouskhor defamatory
08:37or abusive?
08:38Because you say it's abusive.
08:39Why is it abusive?
08:41Ghouskhor is somebody who's corrupt,
08:42somebody who takes bribes.
08:44And it's not talking about a community,
08:46it's talking about a particular person.
08:47Two different aspects.
08:50One is nobody can, you know,
08:52naming you or me
08:53and calling a ghouskhor.
08:55Definitely it is an...
08:57I remember you one incident
08:58when a cross-sex generation
08:59has been going on
09:00in Arvin Kejriwal matter
09:02and a council,
09:03a senior council,
09:04I am not naming him
09:05and he's just telling
09:07former law minister,
09:09our law minister Arun Jaitli
09:10and he's making a specific comment
09:13like this,
09:14which we are talking here right now,
09:16that on that particular moment,
09:18the judge specifically stated this thing,
09:20the same one,
09:21which we are talking right now.
09:23Don't use these words.
09:24These are defamatory.
09:26Even...
09:26There are so many words
09:27that have been used in cinema.
09:29There are so many films.
09:30You're going to put out
09:30that whole list there.
09:31Stay with me, sir.
09:32So, okay, you've taken offence,
09:33you've approached the court.
09:35You've taken offence,
09:36you've approached the court
09:37and you think this is defamatory
09:38and the name needs to be changed.
09:39Is that what you're limiting
09:40your argument to?
09:41No, there are two different aspects.
09:44When...
09:44Make your point.
09:45Title having...
09:46Yes, a title having
09:47this kind of defamatory word,
09:48then what about the content?
09:50There is also a question
09:51because OTT platform...
09:52Have you seen the film?
09:54Or the OTT series?
09:56OTT movie,
09:58I'm talking about OTT movie.
09:59Have you seen the content
10:01that you're already
10:02taking offence to the content?
10:04We have seen the title.
10:05We have seen the title.
10:07So, you made up your mind
10:08that the content
10:09that the content
10:09is also defamatory.
10:10Nobody can...
10:11Calling anyone
10:12as a goose khore.
10:13How can?
10:14No, Mr. Jindal,
10:15have you seen the content...
10:17Sir, allow me to ask you a question.
10:18Have you seen the content
10:19of the OTT series
10:21that you already think
10:22that this will be
10:22defamatory to pundits?
10:24Have you seen it?
10:25Do you know?
10:25So, give me 10 seconds at least.
10:28Look, when we are talking
10:30about a title,
10:31it is itself defamatory
10:32and now we are also having
10:34a question upon the content.
10:36We asked the Honourable Court
10:38to instruct the Government of India,
10:41Ministry of Information and Bokka
10:42to verify the content first,
10:45then only it should be aired.
10:47We are not saying...
10:48Definitely, the people are here
10:50to entertain.
10:51Why not?
10:52Sir, who verifies the...
10:53Okay, let me ask you
10:54one very quick follow-up.
10:55This question.
10:56Allow me to ask you this question.
10:57Who verifies the content?
10:59Because what is defamatory to you
11:00is not defamatory to somebody else.
11:03So, how do you decide?
11:05It's clearly been cleared
11:06by the censor board.
11:08It's been given the go-ahead.
11:09So, the people who are supposed
11:10to decide have already decided
11:12but you've taken offence.
11:15So, who decides now?
11:16We are having a very,
11:17no, very intellectual debate here
11:19and I must say
11:21the word itself,
11:23I am again saying
11:24the word in a title itself
11:26shows it is defamatory.
11:28So, the government
11:29have a response
11:29because there is no rules
11:30and regulation
11:32to scrutinize the content
11:34which is aired on OTTs.
11:35So, that is also a problem here.
11:37If it is about...
11:38No, it goes through a proper
11:40vetting process.
11:41I don't think you understand
11:42we need jindal on how
11:43even OTT content is cleared
11:45by a body in terms of the content.
11:48I know the process.
11:49There is no specific process.
11:52There are rules
11:53which is framed in 2021.
11:56Sir, it's not so far back.
11:57Anyway, stay with me.
11:58Tahseen, Poonabada, let me...
11:59You know, we live in
12:00very, very sensitive times
12:01where something very small
12:03can be blown out of proportion
12:05and something very small
12:06can be defamatory
12:08and people take offence to.
12:09And I want to spin it around.
12:11Let's say
12:11if instead of
12:12Ghuskhor Pandit
12:13I am not saying anything
12:14or speaking
12:15about the content
12:17of this series
12:18but let's say
12:19the name of this
12:20OTT series
12:21was Ghuskhor Dalit
12:23Ghuskhor Rajput
12:24there would have been
12:26people who would have
12:27come out and said
12:27listen, this is defamatory.
12:31Pretty good evening.
12:32Thank you so much
12:33for having me on the show.
12:33Let's divide this into two aspects.
12:36I would love to
12:36support Pandit Ajayji
12:39my good friend
12:39and Vinit Jindal on this show
12:40and say
12:41yes, we must ban everything
12:43let's go to court
12:43throw everything out
12:44I would love to.
12:45But then I'm constrained
12:46because I also supported
12:48Kashmir Files
12:48I also supported
12:50Kerala's story
12:51and at that time
12:52I was told
12:53and I agree with that argument
12:54that freedom of speech
12:56must be held up
12:58so if we
12:59I stood up for
13:00something like Kashmir Files
13:01because I believe
13:02listen, a story
13:03must be told
13:04how much ever
13:04it happened
13:05somebody else
13:05I stood up for Kerala's story
13:07I think
13:08there is a movie
13:09that is being made here
13:10it has gone through
13:11the reasonable government
13:12censorship
13:13I don't have a problem
13:15with people
13:15not liking the movie
13:16that is a democratic right
13:18I don't even have a problem
13:19with people approaching courts
13:20if they think
13:21that will work for them
13:22all the best
13:23if they're good lawyers
13:24like Mr. Jindal
13:25I wish them the best
13:25but at the end of the day
13:27when it goes beyond
13:28saying threatening
13:29putting people behind jail
13:30I think we need to reflect
13:33I am all for what you said
13:35Preeti
13:35let's have a conversation
13:37in this country
13:38let's ban all titles
13:39let's say we should not
13:40have a movie
13:40that talks about
13:43pundits
13:43or Rajputs
13:44or Muslims
13:45let's do it
13:46but let's have one framework
13:48and say the government
13:49should make that framework
13:49the problem is
13:50there is no framework
13:51so it can't be selective
13:53today those people
13:54I'll give you
13:55the kind of controversy
13:56that is raging on
13:57on social media
13:58and you are very adept with it
13:59so let me ask you a question
14:00when I'm reading in comments
14:02that oh
14:03filmmakers will never allow
14:05Ghuskhor Malvi
14:08as a title
14:08because they know
14:09they will touch a raw nerve
14:10with the community
14:11it is only the Hindu community
14:13the Brahmins
14:14who they are allowing
14:14who get away
14:16they can get away
14:18with something like this
14:19so in that context
14:20I'm just trying to Tahseen
14:21A. play the devil's advocate
14:23and to position it
14:24in the times
14:25that we live in
14:26where everyone's skin
14:27is so thin
14:28so I think
14:30I agree
14:31I think that
14:31an argument
14:33and I think the government
14:34of India should have rules
14:35don't make anything
14:36about anybody
14:37then don't ask
14:38why people are making
14:39Kashmir fights
14:39because some Muslims
14:40were offended
14:41tomorrow if I become
14:42a filmmaker
14:43and I make
14:43Gora Chor
14:44and some people in India
14:45are fair skin
14:46they might be offended
14:47I make a movie
14:48called
14:48Mota Chor
14:49people who are fat
14:50will be offended
14:50then there is no limit
14:52to it
14:52but I'm okay
14:52with the government
14:53but the government
14:54has to take a call
14:56on this
14:56or we all sit down
14:58and we say
14:59look
14:59I may not like India
15:00today
15:01so I will not
15:02go about putting
15:02FIs against Preeti
15:03I will simply
15:04change the channel
15:05I may not like
15:06this movie
15:06I will simply
15:07not buy a ticket
15:07and watch it
15:08I may pick up a book
15:09I may not like it
15:10instead of burning it
15:11and shooting the author
15:12I will just shut the book
15:13and leave it
15:14I may not like
15:15a piece of art
15:15I will get out
15:16of the library
15:16rather than trying
15:17to burn it out
15:18we as a nation
15:19have to take a call
15:19and my opinion
15:20my personal opinion
15:21is
15:21people may not agree
15:22to what I'm seeing
15:23on your show
15:23and that's their right
15:24what they don't have
15:25a right to do
15:26is file an FI
15:27against you
15:27what I'm going to do
15:28is I'm going to ask
15:29you one more question
15:30and I'm going to draw
15:31two parallels here
15:32because here you have
15:32at one level
15:33you have a film
15:34which clearly
15:35certain communities
15:36and we've been seeing
15:37protests across the country
15:39by small Brahmin groups
15:41multiple petitions
15:43where the courts
15:44are concerned
15:45and now
15:45even the filmmakers
15:47have taken back
15:48and said
15:48okay we are going
15:48to maybe change
15:49the name of the film
15:50on the other hand
15:51and some would say
15:53you're comparing
15:54apples and oranges
15:54but really it is not
15:55apples and oranges
15:56when you look at it
15:57in terms of context
15:59of freedom of expression
16:00and freedom of speech
16:01you have
16:01a Nasiruddin Shah
16:02where
16:03this actor today
16:05is being hounded
16:06for just holding
16:07a point of view
16:09which was been published
16:10by one of the leading
16:11dailies in this country
16:13exactly
16:15so that's what I'm saying
16:16either nobody speaks
16:18and I go with
16:19what my friend Jindal
16:20Mr. Jindal says
16:21he's a very competent
16:21let's all decide
16:23as India
16:23nobody will speak
16:24we will not offend
16:25Kerala people
16:26with a Kerala story
16:26we will not offend
16:27let's do that
16:28that's fine
16:28or we say
16:30look
16:30stop getting offended
16:32about everything
16:32if Mr. Shah
16:33puts a point of view
16:34let's read it
16:35we may reject it
16:35let's not hound him
16:36if there's a Kerala story
16:37watch it
16:38don't watch it
16:39that's your wish
16:39if there's a story
16:40on this particular subject
16:41watch it
16:42don't watch it
16:43either we do that
16:44or we as a call
16:45and the government
16:46has to take a call
16:47Mr. Jindal can't take a call
16:48the government say
16:49from now on
16:50we will do nothing
16:51so if Preeti
16:52offend somebody
16:54on the show
16:54hey
16:55too bad
16:55you're going in jail
16:56let's take that call
16:57and call ourselves
16:58the politics of it
16:59I just want to expand
17:00the debate
17:00the politics of it
17:02is so strange
17:02that it's now
17:04entered the realms
17:05of active politics
17:06you have the RSS
17:08which has taken offense
17:09which is being echoed
17:10now by the political
17:11sentiment
17:11of certain
17:12regional arms
17:14of the BJP
17:15so it all adds up
17:17Ji
17:18Pandit Ajay Gautam Ji
17:19founder
17:20Ham Hindu
17:20you want to tell us
17:21what you want to say
17:22I am just simple
17:25made a small submission
17:26don't take the water
17:27of the Sanatana Dharma
17:28Sanatana Dharma
17:29is not the laboratory
17:30for the creativity
17:32Sanatana Dharma
17:33is not the laboratory
17:34to just create your
17:36to test your creations
17:37not
17:38I just refer you
17:40to two examples
17:42Kamal Hassan
17:42made a picture
17:43namely Vishwaraupan
17:44a small dialogue
17:46is in this picture
17:47the millions of the
17:50Muslims
17:51came into the
17:52protest
17:52and Jalilita
17:53back to the door
17:55and finally
17:56he banned the picture
17:57in the state
17:58of Tamil Nadu
17:59another thing
18:00why you are targeting
18:01us on a time
18:03number of time
18:03Havas ka Pujari
18:04Havas ka Pujari
18:06Ponga Pandit
18:07and on the
18:08on a other end
18:09you are targeting
18:10us again and again
18:11in the name of the
18:12it started from
18:14the 80s
18:15it started from
18:15the Makbool Pita
18:16and you
18:17picturized
18:19you made
18:20the naked film
18:21of the goddess
18:22Durga and Saraswati
18:24in the name
18:24of the freedom
18:25of expression
18:25what do you want
18:26in this country
18:27we are vulnerable
18:29section of the
18:30society
18:30your all freedom
18:31of expression
18:32your all creativity
18:33is applicable
18:35to the Hindus
18:36particularly on
18:37Brahmans only
18:38why not
18:39I give you
18:40another
18:40one picture
18:41please allow me
18:4210 seconds
18:43allow me 10 seconds
18:44make your point
18:44there waje one picture
18:47jo bole soni hal
18:48jo bole soni hal
18:50the Sikh community
18:51made strong objection
18:52on the same picture
18:53and take
18:53this this has
18:54this this is the
18:56slogan
18:56used in the
18:57gurughar only
18:58you cannot use
18:59why the film
19:00title and in
19:01resulting the
19:02bomb blast
19:02reported
19:03in liberty cinema
19:05and satyam cinema
19:06casualty has
19:07reported
19:07thereafter no one
19:08can dare to use
19:09the any
19:10bomb blast
19:11there was no
19:12connection of that
19:13okay one second
19:13let's not
19:13why not
19:14your point has been
19:16made
19:16Ajay Gautam ji
19:17your point has been
19:18made
19:18I want to bring in
19:19Giresh Vankhari
19:19we are not the
19:20laboratory
19:20sorry your point has
19:21been made I have
19:22to put your
19:22fader down
19:23allow me to do
19:23that Giresh
19:24Vankhari to bring
19:26you in you know
19:27it's put the
19:28makers in a bind
19:29because now they
19:30are going to
19:30practically look at
19:31renaming the film
19:32it's already got the
19:33contents of the film
19:34on board which are
19:35under scrutiny
19:36how does this augur
19:38where you have
19:40people who are
19:41looking at cinema
19:42from the lines of
19:43just being creative
19:44you just heard
19:45and why is it that
19:46Hindus are always the
19:47soft target you
19:48wouldn't dare do it
19:48with any other
19:49religion why is
19:50liberties only taken
19:51with one religion
19:52well that's the
19:53argument
19:53no I always feel
19:55that it is never
19:57the intent of the
19:59filmmaker or the
20:01OTT platform
20:01to trouble any
20:04particular community
20:05they are here to
20:06do business
20:07they are very
20:08very much
20:09OTT platform
20:10will be always
20:10focused on their
20:11business and they
20:12will always play
20:13safe whereas
20:14filmmakers like
20:16Neeraj Pandey
20:17who has been
20:17mature enough
20:18they know how to
20:19tell their stories
20:20so we should
20:21always
20:21abide and
20:23respect the
20:24creative freedom
20:25to them
20:26now if the
20:27title itself is
20:28derogatory that
20:29is what some
20:30people are
20:30thinking and
20:32we have always
20:33films which
20:34have been
20:35made only
20:37for the business
20:38sake but
20:38then when we
20:39read too much
20:40between the
20:41lines when we
20:42become too
20:43much sensitive
20:44at that point
20:45of time we
20:46just suddenly
20:47erupt against
20:48them and start
20:49demonstrations
20:49so that is
20:50what Netflix
20:52like NTT
20:53will never
20:54allow to
20:55have anything
20:55which is
20:56communal
20:56content in
21:00this country
21:01so obviously
21:02they will
21:02take down
21:03that content
21:04if you remember
21:05it was
21:05Billu Barber
21:06the same
21:07controversy
21:07where Barber
21:08was taken
21:09down and
21:10only Billu
21:10was kept
21:11that was the
21:12film
21:12similar to
21:13here when
21:13we say
21:14Ghushkor Pandet
21:15obviously when
21:16it is about
21:17a particular
21:17character and
21:19a community
21:20is finding
21:22it uneasy
21:23unacceptable
21:24obviously Netflix
21:25will abide to
21:27it Netflix
21:27will take it
21:28down but we
21:29have to be very
21:30clear that all
21:31these people who
21:32are making
21:32films are Hindu
21:33filmmakers they
21:34are respected
21:35filmmakers they
21:36know their game
21:36they know their
21:37work they are
21:38unintentionally
21:39working on it
21:40there is never
21:41an intention
21:41what we our
21:42colleagues are
21:43saying there is
21:44never an intention
21:44to malign any
21:46community because
21:47at the end of
21:48the day it is
21:48pure business to
21:49them they will
21:50never make
21:51anything derogatory
21:53for any specific
21:54community if
21:55they even smell
21:57or even their
21:58sense about it
21:59about anything
22:00which is going
22:00against the
22:01creativity
22:02you know I'm
22:03going to bring
22:04it right make
22:05your point finish
22:06sir finish so
22:07they will always
22:08play by their
22:10rule book they
22:10will try to make
22:12something which
22:13everybody accepts
22:14it and it is
22:15never an intention
22:17of any filmmaker
22:18or a actor or
22:20an OTT platform
22:21to malign a
22:22specific community
22:22all right so
22:24basically what this
22:25entails is then
22:26filmmakers producers
22:27those associated
22:29with the creative
22:29arts who are not
22:30looking at art
22:32with a political
22:33lens are now
22:33walking on eggshells
22:35and platforms like
22:36Netflix other OTT
22:37platforms are not
22:39coming anywhere near
22:40something which would
22:40sound remotely
22:41controversial and
22:42in this case the
22:44controversy stems
22:45purely by the
22:45virtue of the
22:47name of this
22:48OTT series I
22:49want to just take
22:50final comments
22:50because you know
22:51let's begin with
22:52you Tahseen if you
22:53actually delve into
22:54it let's go in the
22:56past it's not you
22:57know one would say
22:57oh we are taking
22:58offense now you
22:59know with the
23:01smallest of issues
23:02where names are
23:03concerned where
23:03cinema is concerned
23:04one can say
23:05Munshi Premchand
23:06spoke about the
23:07you know pundits
23:08Brahmins where he
23:09criticized the
23:10rigid caste
23:11hierarchies how
23:12exploitative the
23:13Brahmin community
23:14was then but
23:15Tahseen one also
23:17then needs to view
23:18it in the lens of
23:19the times that you
23:20live in at that
23:21point of time it
23:22was acceptable
23:22because those were
23:23the times that we
23:24lived in and a
23:25Munshi Premchand
23:26could do it but
23:27today Mr.
23:28Neeraj Pandey
23:28cannot do it because
23:30times are very very
23:30different
23:31India is the
23:34world's oldest and
23:35perhaps the greatest
23:36civilization because
23:38India as a nation
23:39or Bharat as a
23:40nation as a land
23:41encouraged freedom of
23:42speech it
23:43encouraged questions of
23:44everybody that's what
23:47basically we've all
23:48grown up that we
23:49questioned anything
23:49and everything that's
23:50where India's
23:51intellectual health
23:52came from if we
23:53today believe that we
23:54shouldn't be
23:55questioning we should
23:56not have jokes we
23:57should not we should
23:58have censorship for all
23:59across that's a call
24:00the government has to
24:01take but I want to
24:01tell Pandit Ajay
24:02think one thing I
24:03am absolutely offended
24:04with the fact that
24:06Pandit Ji I'm very
24:08offended that Kabootar
24:10Osama ka comparison
24:11hua may khod is
24:12per offend look
24:13Kabootar bhot
24:13achche pakshi hote
24:15Osama and
24:16ghatiata do bilkul
24:17unka comparison
24:17nah go I cracked a
24:19joke on Osama
24:20also so look if
24:21somebody gets
24:21offended be it
24:23you cannot live
24:24like this I just
24:25did it I did
24:26crack a joke on
24:26Osama on live
24:27TV now for all
24:28Osamas in the world
24:29are deciding to
24:29protest against me
24:30I will live with
24:31that protest but
24:32that's a call I've
24:33taken now the
24:33government if it
24:34finds my joke
24:35offensive can take
24:35a call on me
24:36all right I
24:37appreciate all
24:38my dear friend
24:39everybody has
24:40everybody feel
24:41proud of
24:41everybody feel
24:44there is a
24:45pictured name
24:46and published
24:46telecasted like
24:47Kshatriya
24:48Rajpur the people
24:50feel very proudly
24:51by using the
24:53surname after their
24:55name so that is
24:56not an issue you
24:56are targeting us
24:57again and again
24:58I'm going to
25:00leave it at that
25:01because this debate
25:02will continue to
25:04rage on I
25:05appreciate all four
25:05of you for joining
25:06us well right now
25:07what it's really done
25:08is put the makers in
25:10a bind they've
25:10retracted the series
25:12there and let's
25:14see it possibly will
25:15have a new name
25:16and we'll wait for
25:18that with that
25:19viewers I'm going to
25:19quickly shift focus
25:20to if you're active
25:22on social media in
25:24the last 24 hours
25:25there's been or
25:26rather 48 hours
25:27there has been this
25:28one video that has
25:29gone viral this
25:31video would break
25:32your heart if you
25:34actually listen in
25:35this man from
25:37indoor breaking down
25:38inside a government
25:39office pleading for
25:41help says his
25:42father's dead his
25:43mother's blind and
25:44for the last six
25:45months he's been
25:46going from pillar to
25:47post being sent
25:48from one department
25:49to the other
25:50department all because
25:52he wanted to
25:53reinstate his
25:54mother's widow
25:55pension you can
25:57actually hear people
25:58laughing in the
25:59backdrop when you
26:00see this man
26:03completely go to
26:04pieces how
26:06helplessness sounds
26:08listen in
26:09a distressing video
26:16from indoor has
26:17gone viral showing
26:18a man breaking
26:19down inside a
26:20government office
26:21pleading for
26:22help he says
26:23his father has
26:24died and his
26:25mother is blind
26:26leaving him with
26:27no support
26:28family
26:30no support
26:31no support
26:35no support
26:36nobody
26:36can
26:37be
26:38therefore
26:39no support
26:43no support
26:43no support
26:45no support
26:46The emotional visuals have triggered outrage online, raising questions over administrative empathy.
27:06The video lays bare the cost of official apathy on India's poorest.
27:16So this man, for six months, has been going from one department to the other department because he needs to reinstate the pension of his mother, who's losing her eyesight.
27:36And after six months, he just completely gives in because, and you can hear him scream, where he says, you can't treat poor people like this.
27:44The man in question, after the video has gone viral, the empathy that is pouring in is the kind of empathy that you don't really see for the likes of Dineshwarma.
27:53His name is Dineshwarma.
27:55Even when he is clearly breaking down, you can see people making videos, you can hear them laugh.
28:03But everyone has shared it, either on WhatsApp groups or on social media, calling it heartbreaking.
28:11Well, this is what helplessness sounds like.
28:14Joining me this evening is Dineshwarma is with us.
28:19Dineshwarma, thank you very much for joining us.
28:21Dineshwarma, thank you very much for joining us.
28:51Dineshwarma, thank you very much for joining us.
29:39and
29:42the collector has given us
29:44the same
29:46200 rupees
29:47for the year
29:48the 300-600 rupees
29:50the same
29:51is
29:52the same
29:53and
29:54our work is
29:55now
29:56the
29:57teeth
29:58and
29:59the
30:00problem
30:01is
30:02the
30:03problem
30:04is
30:05that
30:067000 rupees
30:07and
30:08600 rupees
30:09which you are saying
30:10was the pension
30:11for the month
30:12and
30:13that
30:14you will
30:15treat your
30:16eyes
30:17with your
30:18eyes
30:19for
30:20how much time
30:21for this pension
30:22for the month
30:23you were cutting the
30:24office
30:25and
30:26why did you hear
30:27that?
30:28Madam,
30:29I told you
30:30after 11 days
30:31I was cutting the
30:32chest
30:33until 11 days
30:34until 11 days
30:35about 11
30:37of 11
30:38until 11
30:39years
30:40after 11
30:41when
30:4211
30:43is
30:44so you are saying
30:45that one
30:46does not have
30:48heard from 1?
30:50They don't speak to us.
30:51Nobody knows anyone else.
30:53I wish to go, go, go.
30:54There's a question.
30:55Our question is,
30:56is there a question?
30:56I won't hear it.
30:58A question is,
30:59I'm not aware of it.
31:01Then, I'm speaking to you.
31:03So, the question is,
31:04how can we speak to us?
31:06There's a question.
31:06How can we speak to us?
31:07How can we speak to us?
31:09How can we speak to people?
31:10When we listen to our question,
31:12we don't have to talk to you.
31:13That's why I hope I got hung out.
31:45When did you get the pension?
31:577,200 collectors.
32:01This is yesterday.
32:04After the 7,000 videos,
32:08because this video,
32:10when you got angry,
32:13many people have made this video.
32:15Many people have shared this video.
32:17This is a great pleasure for you.
32:19This is a great pleasure for you.
32:20Because you have got 600 rupees,
32:24which is your mother's pension.
32:27This is 7,000 rupees,
32:29when you got angry,
32:34or when the video started viral?
32:38They started viral video.
32:41They started viral video.
32:43They started viral video.
32:45And they gave it to me yesterday.
32:47After the video,
32:49you got the money.
32:52And yesterday,
32:53you got the money.
32:55Is there anything pending?
32:57Yes,
32:58yes,
32:59you got the money.
33:00You got the money.
33:01I said,
33:02you will get the money.
33:03Yes,
33:04I am.
33:05I am.
33:06Shinesh Ji, so many people have seen this video, which is worth it, everyone has seen it, it is a great deal, for one year, so that you have to cut the shit for 600 rupees, and that will get you right now.
33:23I don't want to touch the laws, I respect the laws, what will I do, what will I do, what will I do with the laws?
33:33Like Ramaraj is there, there is no need to join. If the laws are open and you will answer me, I do not want to touch the laws, I do not want to touch the law, as my mother has given me a service.
33:46I will never want to touch the laws, I will not touch the laws.
33:51No, no.
33:55I do not.
34:00No, no.
34:17Madam, I don't have time for this, I wrote it in the day of Mangalwar.
34:25Dineshji, tell me, whatever child you got,
34:30whatever child you got, is there anything else you got?
34:36Yes, we got to get it.
34:38We were saying that we were going to do this,
34:40we were going to do this,
34:42we were going to do this,
34:44we were going to do this,
34:46we were going to do this,
34:48because I had to work with my own life,
34:50we had to do this before,
34:51I wanted to do this to my partner.
34:54They didn't have any work for me,
34:56i have no work for me and to get her working,
34:58tests like this,
35:00if we were to do it.
35:02I didn't even pull up that work and i would like to do that.
35:06I'd rather do it.
35:09There is no work in the future.
35:13I don't have a day.
35:16I had a pain in my life.
35:18I had a pain in my life.
35:21That's why I regret it.
35:24We will try to help you, Dinesh Ji.
35:31Thank you very much for sitting here and talking to us.
35:35The video that has been viral, is a video that has been released.
35:39It doesn't matter to anyone.
35:41We will try to help you, Dinesh Ji.
35:44Thank you very much for joining us, Dinesh Ji.
35:47All right.
35:48Well, that's the divide, viewers.
35:50That is the divide from where we stand and where most of the country is.
35:54This man for one year went pillar to post asking for what?
35:58600 rupees a month.
36:00That was the pension for his mother.
36:02And with that, which finally after the video has gone viral,
36:05it didn't come in when he broke down.
36:07It didn't come in when he screamed saying that every poor person in this country is treated like that,
36:13where they go from pillar to post.
36:15It didn't come then.
36:16It came when the video went viral.
36:18Because that was embarrassing.
36:20What wasn't embarrassing were people making videos and laughing at him.
36:24Suddenly, the collector has reappeared and given him his entire money.
36:27Which is what?
36:28For one year?
36:297,222 rupees.
36:31Let that sink in.
36:33Just 21 days ago, a young techie lost his life in Delhi NCR due to civic negligence.
36:49Now, Delhi witnesses another tragedy.
36:5225-year-old biker Kamal dies in Janatpuri in shocking circumstances.
36:58Kamal was returning late Thursday night from his office in Rohini, but failed to reach home.
37:05His worried family searched for him across multiple police stations.
37:10At around 7.30 a.m., the police called to inform the family that Kamal's body had been found in a 15-foot-deep open pit,
37:18allegedly dug by the Delhi Jalboard.
37:21The grieving family has blamed the Delhi Jalboard and police for Kamal's death.
37:27Police denied the allegations stating that efforts were made to trace and save Kamal.
37:54The Delhi Jalboard defended itself.
38:19The DJB claimed the pit had been barricaded with green mesh and that a safety compliance panel had been formed.
38:27But following the incident, three officials have been suspended.
38:31One more time, the irresponsibility is very evident out here of the authorities.
38:39The Delhi Jalboard, who had dug this pit, did not put up clear barricades out here to stop the movement or to warn the people who are taking this road.
38:50This is a busy road in Janakpuri. There was no clear signal to stop the movement.
38:54And that's how the man, he fell inside this pit along with his bike and he lost his life.
39:01The tragedy has also sparked political debate. The Aam Admi Party says the administration failed, calling this more than an incident.
39:11The administrative department of Delhi Jalboard, which is a board, is urban development. He is the minister concerned.
39:21And he says, I have done it. And when the minister had done it and declared it in the media, that everything was done.
39:30The man was mad that the bike went through and died. That's what he meant.
39:36Deputy Chief Minister Parvesh Verma, who also holds water portfolio, visited the site and assured a thorough investigation.
39:45Deputy Chief Minister Parvesh Verma, who also has done it.
40:06Kamal Dhaiya's death is troubling at many levels. What caused his death? Was the pit barricaded at all?
40:13Why did police fail to reach him despite getting a rough location based on phone tracking?
40:20And does the administration put any value on human life at all?
40:25With Shivani Sharma, Bureau Report, India Today.
40:32Meanwhile, a brazen daylight murder caught on CCTV has rocked the state of Punjab.
40:36Ahmad Mipata leader, Lucky Oberoi, was shot dead outside a gurudwara in Jalandhar, sparking a political storm.
40:44As the opposition targeted the Maan government overlaw an order.
40:48The frontline of investigation is personal enmity.
40:52A chilling attack caught on camera.
41:03A man in a hoodie walks past a parked car.
41:06Moments later, he turns back.
41:08Pulls out a gun and fires multiple shots before fleeing the scene.
41:13The target is Aam Admi Party leader, Lucky Oberoi.
41:17Shot dead outside a gurudwara in Jalandhar's mortal town.
41:20Oberoi was hit by five bullets, including shots to the chest and head.
41:26Rushed to private hospital, doctors declared him dead on arrival.
41:30Police are scanning CCTV footage to identify the attacker.
41:34This is about to be a sinaas, I'm sure who fu.
41:36।
42:06The killing has sparked a fierce political backlash.
42:36All right, joining me right now is Saurabh Bahardwaj, senior leader,
43:05Ramadmi Pati, he was to join us on what has happened in Delhi,
43:09where a pit dug by the Delhi Jalbord led to a young man falling and losing his life.
43:16Not the first, we saw that in Noida just a while ago.
43:19But Saurabh Bahardwaj, thank you for taking the time out and joining us.
43:24The government, Delhi government, Saurabh, has said that all action is being taken.
43:29The Jalbord officials are being suspended. One of them has been removed.
43:34Imagerate action has been taken.
43:36Preeti ji, I would agree to the fact that if you are running a government,
43:43there may be instances that due to some negligence of some department or a contractor,
43:48such things happen. I do agree with this.
43:51But our problem and the issue with the current situation is,
43:57in this particular case, there is a cover-up which is happening at the level of police and the government.
44:05First, this young boy, age 25, fell into this pit around 12 o'clock midnight.
44:12His brother has claimed that they, along with his friends, went to six police stations throughout the night.
44:21None of the police stations registered their complaint.
44:24They said, Kalana.
44:26This is very shameful.
44:27Second thing, his phone was on and completely ringing.
44:32That means the police, if wanted, could trace his exact location that he has fallen in the pit.
44:38And there was a huge possibility that this boy was alive for many hours.
44:43Had he got the first aid, the medical aid, he could have been saved.
44:47But the police did say, did share his phone location and immediately deleted it, saying it,
44:55no, we cannot share it.
44:56That means police was trying to cover it up.
45:00And because they did not have a go-ahead from their political masters,
45:03because it was a midnight event, they wanted to wait till evening what to do.
45:08This is another shameful thing.
45:10The third thing, because I went to this place today afternoon and I saw this place has a wall on one side.
45:19This place has a central verge on another side.
45:27The third side, sorry, I think, am I audible?
45:33The third side has a steel barricading and the fourth side also had a steel barricading.
45:41So I think it is humanly impossible for somebody on a bike to reach that place.
45:48The only way he can land up in the pit is somebody drops him from the aeroplane.
45:53That means there was a cover-up.
45:55They had dressed up the crime scene just to prevent anybody.
46:00Okay, Mr. Bhardwaj, that's all the time that we have for in the show.
46:04Thank you for joining us.
46:05We're going to try and pose the questions that the Aam Admi Party,
46:07which is the principal opposition in Delhi,
46:09raising what the Aam Admi Party claims is a cover-up.
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