00:00You don't play with you. I love playing with me head. That's why I did it. There's nothing better than getting up in the morning and playing with your head.
00:06So great to see you both. Very quintessentially English with your cup of tea there. Cup of char.
00:11Oh yeah. Love it. You're back. How's it feeling? When did you get the phone call about it? Or did you know all along it was going to be doing another series?
00:19No, we didn't know at all. It came quite late that we'd found out we were doing another season.
00:24So late, I think, that I think we'd given up hope from it. And I found out as I was playing Sherlock Holmes and I was being powdered down and my agent called and said, unfortunately.
00:35And I knew it was near the time. And he said, unfortunately, you're going to be spending the summer, the English winter in Australia. So I was overjoyed.
00:47Wow. Is it good or bad when you have to go abroad and work for that long a time?
00:51It's good. It's good. Because you do it at this time of year. So you escape the January misery.
00:55Right. But continuity-wise. For two years we've missed English winter.
00:58Continuity-wise, you couldn't get too tanned. You weren't allowed to go down to the beach.
01:01That's true. Um, yeah, but they're supposed to be tanned. They've been living out there for quite a while and my characters just come on over on a ship for months and months and months.
01:11So we weren't really restricted in that way. At least I wasn't. I'm so dirty you can't see the tan or the paleness through everything anyway. I'm filthy.
01:18That's great, though, isn't it? You just get to filth up every day.
01:21Yeah.
01:23Boats. How do you feel? How are your sea legs?
01:26Uh, they're very good.
01:28Yeah.
01:29So they're all right, yeah.
01:29Yeah? You don't get, ooh, sickness and anything like that?
01:33No, we weren't really on many boats.
01:34No, we're not on any boat. I was never on a boat.
01:38Oh, I see. Okay. But you got to work with the guy with the best hair ever. I mean, come on. Your hair in this is just so...
01:44It got even more coiffed for season two, I think.
01:47I thought you meant Tim Minchin, actually.
01:49Well, Tim's got great hair as well. I mean, the memes and stuff. Everyone loves your hair. What do you think about that? I mean, you've got a hair icon. Harry Styles move over.
02:01Yeah. It's there. It sits on top of my head.
02:04Um, it's, uh, you know what? It was good on season one. It was quite, um, I liked it because I used to run my hands through it and I would get kind of frustrated and, uh, like a mad conductor. I quite like that.
02:18And season two, it got a little bit more quiffed and a little bit more perfect. I'm not sure that was the best move, though. I quite like the madness in season one.
02:29But it is kind of more perfect.
02:31It's great. When guys have grown their hair, I do find they play with it loads. Did you find that you just, do you find yourself playing with your hair a bit more, or?
02:39Um, it's, uh, yes. Yes and no. You don't play with it. I love playing with me head. That's why I did it. There's nothing better than getting up in the morning and playing with your head.
02:51I was thinking, your characters are so different. If they had dating websites, what do you reckon? A dating profile. What would it say? What's the biog saying?
03:00Well, you've got to remember I'm 62 and I've never seen a dating profile, so I'm not quite familiar with how that would go.
03:07A top line for you. Um, bald and dirty.
03:12Looking for. Yes. Looking for similar.
03:16What about Dodge, what do you reckon? Um, perfectly quaffed hair, please.
03:22That's brilliant. I absolutely love that. And what about when you, if you could kind of break the fourth wall down, what would your characters say to the screen?
03:29I think in Fleabag-esque, what do you reckon you'd say?
03:32Uh, here we are in, uh, season two. Please, uh, watch it if we're going to get better about, no, I don't, I don't know what to say. I have no idea.
03:41Probably a swear word or something.
03:43Uh, yeah, I've never thought about, I've never, I've never thought about, um, breaking the fourth wall with something like this.
03:49Yeah, I'm not sure how I feel about breaking the fourth wall anyway, in general. I think that's, that can only work.
03:53It's, it's, it's, Fleabag works quite well with that, but I don't, yeah. I don't think it'd work in Dodger.
03:58And what about, um, why this was so successful, do you think, series one? Why is it back for a second time?
04:04I think, I think because it's a, a real beautiful mixture of all kinds of things. You know, there's a great romance in it.
04:09A very beautiful, well, you know, well thought about, very well written, uh, beautifully performed, uh, love story in there combined with kind of a, a, a, a craziness that's, uh, that's just close to being, you know, complete nonsense.
04:24Uh, and, and I think the juxtaposition between those two things, uh, the pace of the whole thing, uh, seems to, seems to have hit a mark and people seem to like it as much as we do.
04:35Absolutely. People are loving it. Can't wait for it. Can't wait for it. Was there a scene that you thought people are going to clip this? This is iconic. People are going to clip this up and play it over and over again online.
04:46I was going to cut it. I was going to get rid of it. This is rubbish.
04:48No, never one of you.
04:50No, I don't think of that. That, that, that, uh, no.
04:56You don't reckon?
04:58Um, um, I can't think of one off the top of my head. Uh, that's, that's, uh, I kind of, some things later on, but there'll be spoilers.
05:05So there's something at the very end that I think is, uh, maybe, well, I'm not going to discuss it.
05:09So many spoilers. Do you guys enjoy binging or are you once a week kind of sitting down and watching your streamers?
05:15I, I, I, I tend to binge things. I get very, very impatient. I just binged this again last night because, uh, I thought I'd better watch it again before doing all this and remind myself of the whole thing.
05:24So I watched it all, uh, yesterday for the second time.
05:28How do you feel about watching yourself back?
05:30I like seeing how it all came about. You know, it's, it's quite interesting because you, you see it only from your perspective.
05:36Well, you, you go up to the monitor every now and again and have a little look, but it's more kind of, I do that more for, if we're doing something quite technical and we need to go, well, that's not working.
05:45I mean, it would help if I stand here, if we're doing stunt work or something like that. But if we're doing, you know, just normal scenes, I won't really look at the monitor.
05:51So most of it is just from my perspective. So it's quite interesting seeing how it cut, what, what they cut, um, um, the music, the coloring, you know, the whole thing put together as a final piece for viewers to actually go and see.
06:04Because it's quite a personal thing. Like there's two sides of it. There's the promotional side and there's the, as a product and as a show.
06:10And there's the, the doing of it and the acting of it and the being on set. And that, that's the bit I really love. Um, the result is that you end up with a product that goes out to the world and it's nice to go and, you know, see what that looks like.
06:21Um, but I'll, I'll watch something once, twice maybe. And then I don't need to then watch myself again.
06:28What's the difference between doing a film and doing a series like this? How do they vary?
06:32Well, usually with TV, you don't get all the scripts at the very beginning. So you don't know where it's all going. You know, with it, with a film, it's almost entirely, you get the whole thing, you know, before you've even started it and you know what your character arc is.
06:45But with TV, where you're doing about six or eight or 10 episodes, you usually just start with the first two. So, uh, you have to make some decisions hoping that, you know, the writer's going to be in, uh, you know, cahoots with you and that you all know where you're going.
06:58But that tends to be the case. But it's, I think it becomes more collaborative in, in, in that respect because the actors and the writers and the showrunners all work together to, uh, direct it as it's going along, you know.
07:09And what did you guys love about working together particularly?
07:12Uh, well, I love working with Thomas because he's the real thing, because when you're with, you know, when you're with good actors, it's all in the eyes. And I think from the, the, the, the, the moment the shout action to the moment the shout cut, you both disappear.
07:26Uh, and that's, it's not, it doesn't happen all the time. I mean, I find it always happens with Thomas and it's, uh, you know, that's a, that's a, that's a blessing to, uh, to have someone who's taken it as seriously as you.
07:36Oh.
07:37Oh, that's nice. Very nice to say back.
07:39Yeah, what was it?
07:41You disappeared too.
07:43Yeah, yeah, yeah.
07:44No, it's, it's always, it's always, uh, it's always fun and easy working with David and, um, those two, the, the two characters that we're portraying as well, it just, they're, it's, it's very fun and freeing.
07:55Um, and it's, I, I always think that if it's, if something's easy, that means it's, that's good. You're not having to work too hard.
08:03Yeah. There's a lot of laughter on set. I think you can tell that we're all having a good time.
08:07And so when it, when they shouted cut, was it the pub or was it karaoke, darts? What were you guys doing on your chilled out time?
08:14Uh, not, not, not karaoke and, and, and, and, and darts. I was doing a lot of, uh, walking by the ocean and going down to the, the, the beach and, uh, swimming in the sea.
08:24And we were living in Bondi. We both lived in Bondi and, uh, and just enjoying Sydney, uh, which is, I, I kind of fell in love with. I can't, I can't wait to get back. I just adore the place.
08:34So you're hoping there'll be a third, fourth, fifth, sixth.
08:37Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
08:38Yeah.
08:39Then your winters are sorted. Thank you very much indeed, guys. It was fantastic.
08:42Really enjoyed seeing you.
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