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02:49Eu acho que o EU precisa se engajar em diplomacia.
03:16Você sempre precisa falar, mas nós precisamos isolar e ainda, sim, ter uma sanção sobre a Rússia, ter esse apoio sobre a Rússia, para que eles não pudessem aumentar o seu militar, porque eles atacam a Ucrânia.
03:30Por que eles estão frisando?
03:31É porque a Rússia ainda atacando apenas as pessoas inocentes.
03:35E é onde nós precisamos isolar a Rússia ainda mais, não só os países europeus, mas todos os países.
03:41Mas nós precisamos de negociação estabilidade, porque os Ucrânia themselves começaram a negociar, então por que os europeus não deveriam negociar?
03:51Do você tem uma ideia, uma profissão, alguém que faria os 27 se sentirem confortáveis e representados?
03:57É um trabalho difícil de fazer.
03:59Eu acho que há três líderes da Europa, como foi antes.
04:03Eu sempre apoio nosso bom amigo Donald Tusk de Polônia, porque ele realmente entende a mentalidade dos rússios.
04:12E ele pode ser Mertz, ele pode ser qualquer um que quer.
04:18Macron, talvez, é ready.
04:20Mas eu acho que precisamos incluir Keir Starmer da Ucrânia, porque ele é o que é o líder da coalizão da Ucrânia também.
04:26E isso é um ponto importante, porque nós vimos essa semana que há um relacionamento com a Ucrânia, com a Ucrânia, com a Ucrânia, com a Ucrânia.
04:33E o Ucrânia diz que quer dizer que quer dizer que o safe, com a Ucrânia, com a Ucrânia, com a Ucrânia.
04:38Você quer que eles participasse em uma Ucrânia com a Ucrânia, com a Ucrânia, com a Ucrânia, com a Ucrânia?
04:43Eu acho que é um bom ponto.
04:46Como nunca antes do Brexit, nós estamos tão perto do Ucrânia, e nós precisamos ter bons olhos, como os europeus.
04:55Eu estou falando agora da perspectiva de uma perspectiva europeia, porque, como os europeus, nós realmente precisamos ter bons relacionamentos.
05:02Nós não precisamos isolarmos.
05:04Então, eu acho que nós precisamos ter mais de uma Ucrânia, porque eles estão trabalhando juntos naquela conversa com a Ucrânia, com a Ucrânia e com a Ucrânia.
05:15E isso é sobre a paz na Europa, e a Ucrânia é a Europa.
05:19Então, você diz que a Ucrânia é o mecanismo de um universo seguro?
05:23É uma boa ideia. É um parque natural.
05:25Isso pode ser, mas depende do Ucrânia também.
05:29E eles têm que pagar.
05:31Sim, eles têm que pagar, porque esses recursos são da Ucrânia, com a Ucrânia e com a Ucrânia.
05:36Então, se a Ucrânia quiser estar lá, eles têm que, também, finance algo de um instrumento seguro.
05:41Maria, hoje a reporting for us there, e vamos ver com ela um pouco mais tarde no programa.
05:48Mas, claro, durante os talks de hoje em Abu Dhabi,
05:51a Ucrânia está continuando a pão a Ucrânia, com a grande ataque em Odessa, e Kiev, com a Ucrânia.
05:58Agora, nós vamos ver com a Ucrânia, com a Ucrânia, com a Ucrânia, com a Ucrânia, com a Ucrânia.
06:02E a Ucrânia, com a Ucrânia, com a Ucrânia e com a Ucrânia.
06:04Bom dia, Sássia.
06:05Agora, as outras pessoas, com as talks de hoje em Abu Dhabi?
06:07Eu ouvi o que temos chamado chamado productive, também.
06:09again. Well, that's the word that we heard after the first round as well, Maeve. And as we said
06:14back then, the most productive thing about these talks is the fact that they do take place. And
06:18the day two starts and continues today in Abu Dhabi. So far, what we heard from Volodymyr Zelensky
06:25was that there is one important result. There might be a new prisoners of war exchange that
06:31might take place as soon as today. This is very important for Ukraine also because Russia halted
06:37those exchanges somewhere by the end of last year. And Ukraine has been trying and insisting
06:42on bringing back and exchanging those prisoners of war. Zelensky also said yesterday that 55,000
06:49of Ukrainian soldiers have been killed since Russia's full-scale invasion of Ukraine. That
06:55is why for Ukraine, it's so important to have a proper, long-lasting and just deal. Let's
07:00take a listen.
07:00The war must end for real. It is Russia that must be ready for this. And our partners
07:12must also be ready to answer this with real guarantees, security guarantees, and real pressure
07:18on the aggressor. And so that the people in Ukraine can feel that the situation is really
07:22moving towards peace, towards the end of the war, and not towards the Russians, using everything
07:27to their advantage and continuing their attacks.
07:34President Volodymyr Zelensky there. And what about the Russian side? What have they been
07:37saying, Sasha?
07:38Well, the Russian side traditionally is blaming Ukraine for putting certain obstacles, as
07:43Moscow claims, saying that Russia does want peace. Now they don't say what conditions do
07:48they want this peace or truce upon. An interesting message came yesterday in Russian Kremlin-affiliated
07:55media outlet saying that the U.S. President Donald Trump's plan also includes Ukraine's possible
08:00accession to the European Union in 2027. And they are attributing this to Russian sources
08:06at the talks in Abu Dhabi. Quite interesting to hear it from Russians.
08:10Indeed. We will follow that very closely. Sasha Vakilina, thank you so much for that update.
08:15Well, amidst all the uncertainty around ending the war in Ukraine, some good news has surfaced
08:20here in Brussels. EU countries have sealed a deal on a €90 billion loan for Ukraine. Our
08:26Jakob Janis tells us why this lifeline is so crucial.
08:30By April, Ukraine's budget will be empty. And unable to tap into Russia's frozen assets
08:39last December, Brussels triggered Plan B, a massive €90 billion loan, raised through joint debt.
08:47But not everyone will participate. Hungary, Slovakia and Czechia secured a total opt-out.
08:54So, €30 billion will keep the state running, paying doctors, teachers and pensioners. The lion's share,
09:01though, €60 billion is for defence. And since yesterday, the deal is finally locked in.
09:08But Europeans were split. France was leading the Bi-European team, and they insisted EU taxpayer
09:17money must support EU factories. After all, if billions are to be spent, they wanted the
09:23cash to stay on the continent. But Germany and the Netherlands argued Europe lacks the luxury
09:30of time. If Ukraine needs certain weaponry today, and the EU doesn't have it, Europe must buy them
09:37from somewhere else, such as South Korea, the US and the UK. And speaking of London, can they
09:46get a slice of this €90 billion pie? After yesterday's breakthrough, the answer is yes. But it is strictly
09:54pay-to-play. British companies can bid for these contracts, but only if London pays a fair share of the
10:03borrowing costs. So right now, only the European Parliament needs to vote. And they promised
10:09to move fast, because with the April deadline, there is no time to waste.
10:15Finally, Ukraine only repays this loan if Russia pays for the damages. And since Moscow isn't paying up,
10:23this debt might never be called in.
10:30Jakub Janis and Jorge Libreira reporting for us there. And as you heard, that check still needs
10:36the green light from the European Parliament. That could come during a special sitting on 24th
10:41of February. That's exactly four years since the full-scale invasion of Ukraine by Russia.
10:46But now, for the view from Poland on the ongoing war and more, we hear from Rafael Troskowski,
10:51a former member of the European Parliament and the mayor of Warsaw since 2018. He's affiliated with
10:57the Prime Minister Donald Tusk's Civic Platform Party. Rafael Troskowski joined me yesterday here
11:03in the studio. And I started by asking him whether he had any hope of a breakthrough in Abu Dhabi today.
11:08Well, I hope that however this war ends is going to be agreed with Ukraine and that Ukrainian
11:17priority will be upheld because we need to remember that it was Russia who attacked
11:22viciously Ukraine. And I think that every crazy dictator in the world is watching whether the
11:26West will be united, whether we will be strong. And being involved, does that mean then speaking,
11:30reopening the channels of communication with the Kremlin as President Macron has suggested,
11:35or would that just be rewarding aggression? I mean, the most important thing is that
11:40President Zelensky's and the voice of the Ukrainian people is heard. And I think that we cannot try to
11:47come up with ideas that are going to be unacceptable for Ukraine. This is the most important thing.
11:52And I think that we should simply focus on that and not try to come up to a solution which is going
11:57to be unacceptable for the people who are attacked, because that's going to be completely counterproductive
12:03and it will have a negative impact on the credibility of Europe, but also on the credibility of the United
12:08States. And there's lots at stake for Poland here, of course, a neighbouring country. Are the Europeans
12:12having enough of a say? Do you believe in these talks? I don't think so. And I think that there
12:17will be no solution. There will be no security. There will be no rebuilding Ukraine without our
12:22involvement. So that's why it is absolutely fundamental for the Europeans to be involved
12:26and for our voice to be heard. And we also do not fudge the issue. Who was the aggressor? It was Russia.
12:33And we want to help the Ukrainians now in this very dire circumstances, when they're being attacked
12:39all the time, viciously, the civil population, my sister city, Kyiv and Kharkiv. And also after,
12:45when it comes to rebuilding Ukraine and opening up the European perspective for our friends.
12:49And how are you making sure that you can keep that momentum on supporting your neighbour Ukraine,
12:54but also not harming your own security in Poland?
12:57We are strengthening our security as much as we can. We are investing almost five percent of our GDP
13:01in defence. We are strengthening our eastern border. We are investing as much as we can. We are taking
13:06the responsibility ourselves, exactly as President Trump wanted. Now we need to convince other
13:11Europeans to do the same. But at the same time, we need to be helping the Ukrainians because
13:16they were actually fighting for our freedom and they were providing us security. They were giving us
13:20breathing space when it comes to rebuilding our security, because the Russian threat is there.
13:25And if this war ends with Putin's success, then this is the gravest threat for the European security.
13:32And how real is the threat that there could potentially be an invasion in your country, in Poland?
13:35Well, I don't think that there is a great threat because fortunately, I mean, the Russians got
13:40their teeth knocked out by the Ukrainians. But if we give them breathing space, I mean,
13:45if we give them arguments in time to actually rebuild their military, unfortunately, they might
13:50stride back. They might just wait and then come back and test our resilience. I mean, they're doing
13:55it every time, you know, every day. There is a hybrid warfare everywhere, misinformation,
14:00sabotage and so on and so forth. We need to be ready. We need to be resilient. Also when it comes to the
14:04cities. And that's what we're doing in Warsaw. We're strengthening our resilience. We're learning
14:08from our Ukrainian friends and at the same time helping them in the time of distress,
14:12when there are those temperatures minus 30 and Kyiv is freezing. We're helping as much as we can.
14:18And you mentioned President Trump earlier. What do you think of his Board of Peace? Why isn't Poland
14:22joining us? We are looking into President Trump's initiatives because at the end of the day,
14:26we want to keep the Americans involved. This is very, very important. This is not a question of
14:31emotions. This is not a question. We are serious people. This is not a question of judging
14:35someone's behavior at a given moment. It's a question of European security. We need to be
14:40together because if Europe and the United States will not be together, all of our enemies, all of
14:46our foes will open champagne bottles. So we need to be aware of that. Does this administration though
14:52sometimes make you feel like you have to pick or choose Brussels or Washington DC?
14:55Well, if you listen to President Trump carefully, I mean, he said Europe should take more responsibility,
15:01right? He said there should be no free riding. Well, we understand it in Poland. We understand
15:05it in the Baltic Republic. So now it's a question of convincing other Europeans. Okay,
15:09let's strengthen our capabilities. Let's strengthen our credibility. And this is in a sense a response
15:14to the wishes of the American administration. And at the same time, we of course need to keep the
15:20Americans involved because those are our closest allies. And if the threats are elsewhere,
15:26we should be absolutely certain that those relations are as good as they can be. And even
15:31if the Americans want to focus on other parts of the world, they need to be sure that someone has
15:36their back. And it's us, the Europeans. And we've seen the comments of Mario Draghi this week,
15:41the former head of the European Central Bank, saying that the EU needs to move from a confederation to a
15:46federation that countries start need to huddling together and moving on their own pace. What are
15:51your view on that? I don't like these labels because they do not really describe the union,
15:55which is, you know, a beautiful construct because it's so original and unique. There are areas in which
16:02we need more integration, like defence, that's for sure. I'm not dogmatic. I don't think that we need
16:08integration, more integration in every field. Maybe there are places in which we integrated ourselves
16:13too much. I mean, we need a bit more flexibility. We need to be self-sufficient. But yes, there are
16:19issues like defence, like capital markets. We need more integration in order to be a real player in the world.
16:28Rafael Trostovsky there on a number of challenges facing the EU today. But another major development
16:34we're watching closely for you is the US-Iran nuclear talks that are set to take place tomorrow in Oman.
16:40Fear over further escalation in the Middle East has been a dark cloud over this year's world
16:45government summit taking place in Dubai, as Maria Tadeo now reports.
16:50Good morning, indeed. The second big geopolitical question of the day is, of course, Iran. That
16:55after the US president said the Supreme Leader should be, quote, very worried if he does not agree to
17:00engage in serious talks over the country's nuclear programme. That after a whole day of confusion,
17:06big confusion over whether or not a meeting between a delegation from the US and Iran would go ahead
17:13and take place this week. There were big questions over the format, the timing, the location. Yesterday
17:19night, I finally confirmed this bilateral meeting between Iran and the US will indeed go ahead this
17:26week. It will take place on Friday in Oman. The message, however, coming out of this region in the
17:32UAE, but also the Gulf and beyond, is that a regional war can still be avoided and that this is really
17:38the time for Iran to be serious in their diplomatic engagements with the US. Yesterday, on that note,
17:45I spoke with the Prime Minister of Lebanon, Nawaf Salam, who told us he will not allow his country to get
17:51involved into this conflict, but also repeated this is really not the time for stability or instability,
17:57I should note, after three very difficult years in the Middle East. Let's take a look.
18:02The stability of the region comes first for us. Definitely, anything that we avoid an all-out war
18:09in the region is be more than welcome. As far as Lebanon is concerned, I have said and would like to
18:19reaffirm that the question of war and peace is in the hands of the government and solely of the government.
18:27But unfortunately, I mean, we still have to take care of parts of the South that are occupied by
18:35Israel. We have to take care of daily violations of our sovereignty by Israel, and we still need to
18:43liberate a number of our citizens who have been captured by Israel. And doing so only perpetuates
18:53this conflict in the region undermines my government's efforts to,
19:00no, I mean, not to express state authority over the whole country, and only fuels instability.
19:12And you can catch the rest of that interview on euronews.com. But that does bring this edition of
19:16Europe Today to an end. Thanks for tuning in. Bye from Brussels.
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