00:00Now, Rich, do you have any rules or tips or guidelines that you have when you talk to
00:10white people about race or even black folks?
00:12Are there any rules that you abide by?
00:13Well, I relate to the hitting the wall thing.
00:15I think that there, I think just like there's active white supremacy like Klansmen and then
00:20there's the passive white supremacy that, you know, goes uncommented on a lot of the
00:27time, you know, that people, that white people can benefit from that and just kind of slide
00:32through life without even realizing it.
00:34I think that there are white people that you can talk to about race or that I feel like
00:37I can talk to about race.
00:38And then there are people that I just completely count out immediately because it's like, you're
00:43a lost cause.
00:44You're a total racist and I want nothing to do with you.
00:46And what's insane to me is how in this day and age, white people will still bond with
00:51each other over racism.
00:53Growing up, I mean, it was not uncommon to hear someone say something within 10 minutes,
00:58you know, racist.
01:00So as to create some sort of bond, you know, like I think that like sort of that negativity
01:05can kind of bring people together.
01:07But as an adult now, when someone says something racist in your presence, right, how do you
01:11fight that?
01:12I mean, I explain to them what, why I think it's wrong.
01:16And a lot of the time that is just an immediate check mark to me is like, you know, if someone
01:20shows you who they are, believe them the first time.
01:22I mean, there's, there's actual Nazis in the street right now, like that is just where
01:27we're at.
01:28But I just think to your point about, I think like that is like a product of also having
01:39white privilege is being able to say like, I'm not one of those white people.
01:43I'm not with the hood and like, I'm not a Nazi, like I'm not one of those.
01:47And like, I think that that is also upholding more structures of white supremacy.
01:51Like we create subcategories of other white people and that benefits us.
01:56Like the term, I mean, the term white trash, for example, like that is a term that has been
02:02coined that white people have made to make sure that we're not associated with people
02:08of lower economic status.
02:10I think a lot of the conversation is not getting as advanced as it could because of
02:14that othering and not wanting to be associated with like those racist people over there.
02:19But as far as like the tiki torches and the Klansmen and people in the street, like those
02:22are people's uncles and dads and teachers and mailmen and you know, the good people,
02:27they each know some of those people.
02:28So like, you need to talk to those people.
02:30Going through life, you can only do so much.
02:33So subcategories do make a certain amount of sense.
02:35There is a difference between somebody who says something casually racist or somebody
02:39who voted for Trump versus a dedicated member to the Ku Klux Klan who's devoted their life
02:44to this concept of white culture.
02:46And those people have always scared me.
02:49And I've never wanted anything to do with those people.
02:51I don't think, and also like as much as I completely agree with the fact that black
02:56people do not have any obligation to educate white people, if white people are educating
03:00white people, then this is a theoretical conversation.
03:03If somebody can bring life experience into something, I think you could probably change
03:08more lives.
03:09Whether you're willing to do that or not is entirely up to you and completely understandable
03:14if you're not.
03:15But this is the thing.
03:16I am not invested, nor am I willing to take a full, I'm not, I'm not here to deal in the
03:24degrees of racism.
03:26Like I'm kind of a racist, I'm passively racist, or I'm a straight out Nazi, neo-Nazi.
03:32And to be honest, I feel like it's white people's job.
03:36You have to do the work for those tiki-carrying Nazi a-holes in the street.
03:41While almost all those birthplace people have beenтивeless, this is pretty nice to make this
03:47country this thing of life.
03:47We don't put our show to protect people throughout this living.
03:50Either it wasn't even on a waste of a hungry.
03:51Después of the challenge except for at least when people want to make this happen, there are
03:53cases there are no experts that are not specific at least in the point and lengthy.
04:02And there is no activity so, effectively, as I've tried to advancements.
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