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00:00Hello, everyone, and welcome to Economic Equity as a Human Right.
00:07I'm Tanya Christian, the News and Politics Editor at Essence Magazine.
00:11And today we're discussing the importance of financial fairness in our country
00:15and economic expansion in our communities of color.
00:19We have a powerful panel here with me today.
00:22Joining us is founder and chair of Essence Ventures, Richie Lou Dennis,
00:26President and CEO of the National Urban League, Mark Morial,
00:31co-chair of the Task Force on Racial Inclusion and Equity,
00:35co-chair of the Commission of Gender Equity,
00:37chair of the Mayor's Fund to Advance New York City,
00:40and First Lady of New York City, Shirley MacRae.
00:43So first, I want us to talk about the need for wealth distribution
00:47for Black and brown communities in the United States.
00:50How do we foster a community of financial growth and stability?
00:54I'll start with you, First Lady.
00:57I'm glad you asked that question because I think it is central to the huge challenge
01:04that we face, especially now after the pandemic,
01:07where we have experienced so much economic loss
01:09and the brutal disparities that exist in brown and black communities have been revealed.
01:17So Black and brown communities only achieve financial equity
01:23when their communities are healthy in every way.
01:27And much of the work that our government has been doing started well before the pandemic.
01:33Juan Gonzalez, a writer, journalist, actually wrote about what we've been doing
01:39in his book, Reclaiming Gotham, and noted that we've put $21 billion at that time,
01:46it's more now, $21 billion back into the pockets of working people,
01:52black and brown people, through housing policies, paid sick,
01:58free middle school, free after school for middle school students,
02:03universal pre-K and 3K and raising the minimum wage and providing paid sick leave.
02:12All of those things put a lot of money back in the pockets of the people.
02:17Child care alone, I shouldn't say child care, pre-K alone is good.
02:24Well, it can be like $14,000 a year or so or more.
02:27That's a lot of money that allows parents to work,
02:34allows them to save up for a house or put towards rent
02:39or so many other ways that they can use that money.
02:44It makes a huge difference in the lives of working people
02:47when government is actually supporting them in a myriad of ways.
02:56Great.
02:57Richie Lou, I'll go to you next.
03:01Yeah, I think, you know, as the First Lady just shared,
03:07we have to be deliberate and intentional about investing in our communities,
03:15investing in entrepreneurs in our community.
03:19This whole idea of economic inclusion as a human right
03:24is starting to play out right in front of our very eyes
03:28in a national way,
03:30but it's existed for centuries now.
03:36Being intentional and deliberate about where we spend our money,
03:41who we spend our money with and the things that we expect to get delivered to us as a result
03:48of us spending our money, I think is a critical, critical step towards economic equity, right?
03:59And inclusion.
04:00And so I think for us, the first thing is really thinking through who we spend our money with
04:06and why we spend our money and where we spend our money.
04:08The second thing is, when we do spend our money, what is it used for?
04:13Are we holding the people that we spend our money with accountable
04:16to furthering the issues that protect us, that make us safe,
04:21that develop our communities, that educate our children?
04:25And so I think for us, whether it's Essence or whether it's New Voices
04:31or it's any of the various businesses that we're involved in,
04:35the first rule of thumb is making sure that every dollar that we spend
04:41is accountable to our community development.
04:44Great. Thank you so much.
04:48Mark, I'll go to you next.
04:51Thank you. First of all, let me thank, I want to thank Rich and Lewin
04:54and Essence Ventures and the Essence Communications team
04:57for inviting me to this discussion and for their 50-year-plus work
05:03of building an enterprise that Black America and the nation can be proud of.
05:08I'm certainly an honor to be with the First Lady of the Great City of New York
05:12in this discussion.
05:13This is what it, I think, what equity really means.
05:20Black people have been the caboose on the proverbial American economic train
05:27from the very beginning.
05:30And so if you're the caboose, sometimes if the economic train moves a little faster,
05:36you may move a little faster, but you're still the caboose.
05:41When the economic train slows down, you slow down and you're still the caboose.
05:48Equity means that we no longer ride in the caboose, that we ride in the engine,
05:54or we ride to the front of the train or have the opportunity to do so
05:59and not be stuck in the back of the train as we are now.
06:04What's striking is that the racial wealth gap in this country has widened in the last 20 years.
06:13The level of Black homeownership has lessened in the last 20 years.
06:18Indeed, we are back to where we were some 40 to 50 years ago.
06:23So this movement that's taking place in the streets of our country,
06:28this movement against racial injustice,
06:33has to include a conversation and a discussion about economic equity as a human right.
06:41And why is it a human right?
06:43Because economic equity is all about people's ability to improve their quality of life,
06:52the quality of life for their family,
06:54and the quality of life for the overall African-American community in this country.
06:59To live in a better home that one has an opportunity to own,
07:06to be able to accumulate savings and investments and assets,
07:11to make life easier for the next generation,
07:14to build businesses, not to just build businesses,
07:18but to build businesses, if you want, of scale and size,
07:21that employ thousands of people and have an impact on literally millions of lives.
07:28So we have to have this vision.
07:30Rich is right.
07:31We have to be intentional about where we spend.
07:34But we have to impact the policies and the approaches
07:38and the attitudes of major American institutions,
07:42government agencies,
07:44private corporations,
07:47who have the power to determine
07:52and make so many important economic decisions,
07:54who gets hired, who gets promoted,
07:57who gets a contract to do things
08:02and to carry out things.
08:04We have to have a blueprint around economic equity.
08:08And I think that's why Richard's voice,
08:10in essence, his voice,
08:12that's why the work I think the First Lady is doing,
08:14really trying to chart a path and chart a course.
08:17You know, at the National Urban League,
08:18this has been our work for generations and generations,
08:22about economic equity, economic justice,
08:26complete economic inclusion.
08:27And at this moment, more people are hearing it.
08:31But we can't let this moment remain a moment.
08:35This moment has to morph and become a movement.
08:39Absolutely.
08:41Thank you all for that.
08:43So my second question,
08:45and this is, again, for everybody,
08:47when it comes to economic equity,
08:50how are Black business owners being encouraged or discouraged
08:54as it comes to continuing their business during and post-COVID-19?
08:59And again, I'll start with you, First Lady.
09:05You know, we know that this pandemic has hit.
09:10Black business is hard, really hard,
09:13and many of them will not come back.
09:16There was a study done recently by University of California
09:20that showed that more than 40% of Black business owners
09:24reported that they weren't working in April
09:27and when their businesses were feeling the worst of the pandemic.
09:31And only 17% of white small business owners said the same thing.
09:36So that's just an indication of, again,
09:39the disparity that exists in our country.
09:42Some of the things that we are doing in New York City
09:46is making sure that the small businesses
09:49that sustain any damage through looting
09:52are getting help for those repairs.
09:55And, of course, to our minority and women-owned businesses,
10:03we are making sure that the city's commitment
10:06to diversity is reflected in its spending.
10:09MWBEs are critical to the fabric of our whole city.
10:14And we are making sure that they have a priority
10:17when getting the funds for government contracts.
10:22And we're nearing 10,000 certifications as I speak.
10:28We've wanted from 4,000 to 10,000 certifications
10:33to make sure that the Black-owned businesses
10:36can work for government,
10:38get those government contracts.
10:40Now, we're on our way to achieving a 10-year goal
10:43of $25 billion in contracts to these companies,
10:47a billion ahead of schedule.
10:50But that's what it takes.
10:51It's that intentionality that Rich spoke about,
10:56that we have to actually create a template
10:59to make sure that we are all working
11:03on the same sort of goals and guidelines
11:07to make sure that people are getting the kind of help,
11:10the direction, the support that they need.
11:13And I want people to know that if they live in New York City
11:16and they want to get certified
11:17and to be able to get government contracts,
11:21that there is a place for them to go.
11:23They can go to nyc.gov, get certified.
11:27And there are all kinds of supports and resources
11:30to make sure that they can get their businesses on track.
11:34That's great.
11:36Richie Liu, you're next.
11:38Yeah.
11:38You know, it's...
11:39When we talk about economic equity
11:47and how it impacts the Black community as a whole
11:53and specifically Black entrepreneurship
11:56and Black businesses,
11:58we saw when the first round of the PPP funds came out
12:04how disproportionately thoughtful it was
12:10against Black business owners.
12:14You know, a vast majority of our businesses
12:17are sole proprietorships.
12:21So many of them didn't qualify that way.
12:25A vast majority of our businesses
12:28have been relegated to being in the shadows.
12:33So not having the relationships with the banks
12:36because banks haven't supported us.
12:39We have not trusted the banks
12:41because we've been oftentimes
12:45not given a fair opportunity.
12:49And so just there,
12:53you see the type of impact
12:55that this systemic racism over these centuries
12:59impacts us in a time of great need.
13:02And at a time when the country
13:04was coming together to help,
13:06even the processes and the systems
13:09and the structures that were there to help
13:12and the funding that came in to help
13:13were hindered by these centuries
13:18of these structures that have kept us out.
13:21So what we have to do now
13:24is to be very focused on what those structures have been,
13:28what those systems have been,
13:30what those processes have been.
13:31And we have to go in and do the work
13:34to correct those processes,
13:36to adjust those structures,
13:38to realign those systems
13:40so that they're inclusive of every American
13:44and bringing in Black Americans
13:48at an equal and equitable rate
13:51as everybody else.
13:54We should have the same access,
13:56the same opportunities
13:57through the same systems
14:00and the same processes.
14:01The same systems shouldn't work differently for us
14:04than they do for anybody else.
14:06They should work equally.
14:07And we have to make those adjustments
14:09to bring us into there.
14:11And so, as Mark was saying earlier,
14:14you know, this can't be a moment.
14:16This can't be a everybody's now aware.
14:18So we're aware of the problem.
14:20You know, I like to say that,
14:22you know, the media business
14:24is built on awareness.
14:26So I don't want to be in the media business.
14:27I want to be in the action business, right?
14:29I want to be in the business
14:31that is not just making people aware,
14:35but that is providing tools and solutions
14:37that we actually change these things.
14:39So we're leveraging
14:40the entire Essence ecosystem.
14:43We're leveraging
14:43the entire New Voices ecosystem.
14:45We're leveraging our entire ecosystem,
14:49partnering with the city,
14:50City of New York,
14:51First Lady,
14:52partner with Mark and the Urban League.
14:54So let's now leverage everything
14:55that we've got
14:56to change these systems and structures
14:58because writing checks alone
15:00is not going to solve this problem.
15:02In fact, it's going to worsen the problem,
15:04you know?
15:05And the one thing
15:06that shouldn't be lost on us
15:08is the jobs report
15:10that came out
15:10a couple of weeks ago
15:11and, you know,
15:12I don't know the exact numbers,
15:15but I can tell you
15:16the results of it
15:18is that unemployment
15:19for whites
15:20in the country went down
15:22and unemployment
15:23for blacks
15:24in the country went up.
15:25That alone shows you
15:27the inequities
15:28within which we function
15:30and within which we structure,
15:32whether it's the type of jobs
15:33that we're given access to,
15:35whether it's our businesses
15:37being less supported
15:40so not able to sustain
15:42the jobs in our communities,
15:43whatever the reasons are,
15:45and there are a plethora of them,
15:47all those reasons
15:48lead or come from
15:50these systemic systems
15:51and structures
15:52that have kept us out.
15:53So as we make these commitments,
15:57as we do these activities,
15:58as we drive towards this change,
16:01they have to be focused
16:02on the structures,
16:04the systems,
16:04and the processes
16:05and not just
16:07the problems
16:10that we're seeing
16:11in front of us.
16:13Great.
16:14Mark, again,
16:15how do black businesses,
16:18how are black businesses
16:19encouraged
16:19or discouraged
16:20in this time of COVID-19?
16:23So thank you for the question
16:24and certainly
16:25the work that the city
16:27of New York is doing,
16:28the work that Essence is doing.
16:30Let me add to it
16:31what the National Urban League
16:33is doing.
16:35Our work is centered
16:36around 12 entrepreneurship centers
16:39in cities across the nation.
16:41And while we don't have a presence
16:42for the center in New York,
16:43we do have one in Philadelphia
16:46and Washington
16:47and Cleveland
16:49and Cincinnati
16:49and New Orleans
16:50and Atlanta
16:51and Houston
16:51and Kansas City
16:52and Los Angeles
16:54and a number
16:54of other cities.
16:55And those centers
16:56are places
16:58where black small businesses
17:00can go
17:01and get free assistance,
17:03coaching,
17:04counseling,
17:05connections.
17:07We've spent a lot
17:08of time
17:08helping black small businesses
17:10apply for the PPP program
17:13and I was
17:14just outraged
17:16at PPP round one.
17:18and that's why we pushed
17:20for a carve out
17:22for community development
17:23financial institutions
17:24and black and brown banks
17:26in the second round
17:28of PPP
17:29to try to level
17:30the playing field
17:31a bit more.
17:32But we have assisted
17:33small business owners
17:35in applying
17:36for PPP funds
17:38and we've helped
17:40small business owners
17:41navigate through
17:42the difficulties
17:44that they're having
17:44in this time
17:45with COVID
17:46where the economy
17:47has been slowed
17:48because of the necessity
17:50of responding
17:51to COVID.
17:53It's tough
17:54for African American businesses.
17:57Some may not make it,
17:58but I also think
17:59some are going to have
17:59the resilience
18:00and the drive
18:02and the fortitude
18:04to get through
18:05these great times
18:06of difficulty.
18:07So there are not
18:08enough resources
18:09devoted to the work,
18:11but at the National Urban League,
18:13the City of New York
18:14and many cities
18:14across the nation,
18:16city governments
18:17provide resources
18:19and assistance
18:20what Essence is doing.
18:23And so we ought to
18:24really, really help
18:25business owners focus
18:26on where are the places
18:28you can go
18:29for help,
18:31assistance,
18:31information,
18:33access to capital,
18:34technical assistance.
18:36We promise
18:37no business owner
18:38any magic.
18:40We simply promise
18:41that we will do
18:41everything in our power
18:43to assist them
18:44and help them.
18:45And I'll sort of
18:48end with this point.
18:51So if you think
18:52of the largest
18:53Black businesses
18:54in America,
18:55maybe,
18:56maybe a handful
18:57might make
18:58the Fortune 1000.
19:00But if you look
19:01at Black Enterprises
19:02list of its top
19:04100 businesses,
19:05a very few of them
19:07are in the Fortune 1000.
19:10Now, one may say
19:11that's a glass
19:12half empty.
19:14I say it's a glass
19:15half full.
19:16That the upside
19:18for many of these businesses,
19:20if they get access
19:21to capital,
19:23patient capital,
19:24risk capital,
19:25venture capital,
19:27and can operationalize
19:28their ideas
19:29and their products
19:30of their services
19:30on a greater scale.
19:32That's what we have
19:33to think about
19:34in this area.
19:34We have to work
19:35on the small businesses,
19:37the one and two
19:38and three person businesses,
19:40family owned businesses.
19:41We've also got to work
19:43on building those
19:44that are ready
19:44to go to scale.
19:46I mean, Rich,
19:47Richelieu
19:47has been a role model
19:50for taking a concept,
19:52taking an idea,
19:54taking a family business
19:55and building it
19:56to great scale
19:57with venture capital
19:58and beyond.
20:00We need more
20:01and I'm confident
20:02there are many out there
20:03who are poised to do that,
20:05but that's got to be part
20:07of our strategy
20:08and approach today.
20:10Great.
20:11Thank you for that.
20:12You know,
20:13as we're wrapping up,
20:14I know each of you
20:16have initiatives
20:16that you champion
20:17or lead
20:18as it comes
20:19to economic equity
20:20and our community
20:21is very action-minded.
20:22So could you tell us
20:24how can we support
20:25your efforts?
20:28First,
20:28Lady Shirley McCray,
20:29I'll start with you again.
20:30Well,
20:32it's a tough question.
20:34There's so much to do
20:35and I want to thank you all
20:37for being on this panel
20:38because you're all
20:39so inspiring
20:41and role models
20:42in your own way.
20:44As you know,
20:45I'm a chair
20:46of the Task Force
20:47on Racial Inclusion
20:48and Equity
20:49and I am
20:51so fortunate
20:53to be able
20:54to work
20:54with so many people
20:55within the government,
20:57primarily black
20:59and brown people
21:00who were,
21:02most of these people
21:03were either born
21:04in the communities
21:05that we're serving
21:05or have lived
21:06and worked
21:08in these communities
21:09and so it's a great
21:10coming together
21:11to serve the people
21:13who are hardest hit
21:14by COVID-19
21:15and it's really been
21:18just a fascinating experience.
21:21We sent a survey out
21:22to all of the communities
21:24that were hit so hard
21:26and what they came back with
21:27was they want
21:29mental health services.
21:31They're concerned
21:33about health and safety
21:34and I think that
21:35we have to remember
21:36that the people,
21:39we have to think
21:39about people holistically.
21:40We have to think
21:41about them
21:41and their families
21:42and what it takes
21:43to help them
21:45get on their feet
21:46and be able to work
21:47and so we're making sure
21:49that they have health care,
21:52that we've expanded
21:53our NYC care
21:54so that anyone
21:55can get health care,
21:57including mental health care,
21:59for free if necessarily,
22:01but certainly affordable
22:02and that's important
22:04because if you don't
22:06have your health,
22:06you can't work, right?
22:08You can't get
22:08your business going
22:09and we're making sure
22:11that our young people
22:12as many as possible
22:14have opportunities
22:15this summer
22:16to get training,
22:18skill training,
22:20mentoring,
22:21internships
22:22and then in terms
22:24of our businesses,
22:26we're working now
22:27on our restaurant
22:28revitalization program
22:29focused on the community's
22:31hardest hit
22:32by investing in them
22:34through the Mayor's Fund
22:35to advance New York City
22:37with our partner
22:38and with our partner
22:40one fair wage.
22:41We want to make sure
22:42that we save restaurants.
22:44We're beginning with 100
22:46and when they can get
22:47up to $30,000 in grants
22:49to pay the wages
22:51of their workers
22:52in 6 to 12 weeks
22:53at $20 per hour
22:56and this is important
22:58because it's so hard
23:00to get,
23:01first of all,
23:02as Richie Liu just said,
23:04it's hard to get money
23:04from banks.
23:06It's hard,
23:06especially now
23:07and we want to give
23:09everybody a jump start,
23:10as many people
23:11as possible,
23:11a jump start
23:12to getting their businesses
23:13back to help them
23:15with their health needs
23:17and to make sure
23:18that they can help,
23:19that they can keep
23:20their families together.
23:21This is a,
23:22and this is a call
23:23to action.
23:23How can you help?
23:25Please,
23:26anyone who can donate
23:27to nyc.gov
23:29slash opportunity.
23:31We need your money
23:33to help these restaurants,
23:35to help these small businesses
23:37that have been devastated.
23:40These communities
23:40that we are working with
23:42are the hardest hit
23:43by COVID-19.
23:44That means that they have
23:45suffered more death
23:47in these communities
23:48than any others
23:49in the city.
23:51And there's a lot of grief,
23:53a lot of loss,
23:54but we're going to do
23:56everything that we can
23:57to help bring them back.
23:59Great.
24:01Richie Liu, again,
24:02how can the community
24:03help support
24:05the equity initiatives
24:06that you've already started?
24:09I mean,
24:10I think the first place
24:13to start is subscribe
24:15to Essence, right?
24:18Because that's where
24:20we get the resources
24:22to continue to invest
24:23back in the community.
24:25Two, it's also where
24:26we preserve
24:27Black media
24:30and allows our voices
24:33to have platforms
24:34like this to share.
24:37So I think that's
24:38the first thing.
24:39I think the second way
24:41to help is to go in
24:45if you're a Black business
24:46and sign up
24:47to the newvoicesfund.com.
24:51It's newvoicesfund.com
24:52where we've been investing
24:57in Black entrepreneurs
24:59at scale now
25:02for many years.
25:07So this for us isn't new.
25:10The more entrepreneurs
25:12that we can invest in,
25:14the more entrepreneurs
25:15that we can help develop
25:17and bring along,
25:18the more impact
25:20we can have
25:21and the more of a roadmap
25:26we can set
25:27for all the new investment
25:29that's coming in,
25:30all the new investors
25:30that are coming in, right?
25:31Because there's a lot of desire
25:34to help now,
25:35but help alone by,
25:41again, I keep saying this,
25:42by writing checks alone
25:43isn't going to create
25:44a sustainable,
25:46not just recovery,
25:49but a sustainable drive
25:50to get those businesses
25:52that Mark talked about
25:54on the BE100 list
25:56to get to the levels
25:58that we were fortunate enough
25:59to get to and surpass, right?
26:01So the whole idea
26:02behind the newvoicesfund
26:03is that we should create
26:0530, 40, 50 sundials, right?
26:08Not just one, right?
26:11And so by coming on the platform,
26:14we get to have engagement with you.
26:17We get to help you develop.
26:18We get to provide resources to you
26:21that can then help others
26:22as they move along in the world.
26:25But I think really
26:26the most important thing
26:27that you can do
26:28or anybody can do
26:29to help us
26:32is to support
26:34all these young people
26:35that are out protesting,
26:36to support all these young people
26:38that are out
26:38making sure that they're heard,
26:40making sure that the world sees us,
26:42making sure that the world
26:43understands our challenges.
26:46And it doesn't just mean,
26:48you know,
26:48that we do it
26:49by marching in the street.
26:51It means that
26:52we think about
26:53where we spend our dollars
26:55and we're vocal
26:56about where we spend our dollars
26:57and where we don't spend our dollars.
26:59It's the events that we go to.
27:02It is how we choose to live
27:04and how we choose to move.
27:06It is the charities
27:08that we invest in
27:10and the ones
27:10that we don't invest in.
27:12So I think it's up
27:13to all of us individually
27:15to be really thoughtful
27:16about how we support
27:17what's begun
27:18so that it doesn't become,
27:20you know,
27:21three weeks from now,
27:22it becomes an academic conversation.
27:24It becomes an intellectual conversation.
27:27We need to keep this
27:28an action-oriented,
27:30accountable,
27:31driven movement, right?
27:34One that should be,
27:36we should be talking
27:36about 20 years from now
27:38because unfortunately,
27:39just like the destruction
27:41that COVID has caused
27:42in the Black community
27:43didn't happen
27:44just because COVID showed up.
27:46The destruction
27:47that's happened
27:48in the Black community
27:50around racism
27:52didn't just show up
27:54with the killing
27:54of George Floyd, right?
27:56It has been plaguing us
27:58for centuries
27:59and generations.
28:00And so we have to make sure
28:02that we're prepared
28:03for this fight,
28:04not just for the next week,
28:06the next two weeks,
28:06the next six months,
28:07the next 30, 40 years
28:10so that we can reverse
28:12these entrenched systems
28:16and structures
28:18and turn them
28:19so that they're benefiting
28:20every one of us
28:22with equity
28:24in this country.
28:25So for me,
28:26there's a lot
28:26that we need to do,
28:27but I think the number one thing
28:28is being thoughtful
28:29about where you spend
28:30your dollars
28:30and investing it
28:31in a way that allows us
28:33to sustain
28:34this movement
28:36that we're building up today.
28:39Oh, and by the way, Mark,
28:40since we don't have
28:42a center in New York,
28:45let this partnership
28:47put one in New York.
28:48I agree with all of the above.
28:50Very quickly,
28:51yes, subscribe
28:52to Essence Magazine.
28:53Yes, become a member
28:54of the National Urban League.
28:56You can do it online.
28:58Yes, make sure
28:59you are part
29:00of the Black Lives Matter
29:01protest movement,
29:03either by participating
29:04in the protest,
29:05lending your voice online,
29:07educating your friends
29:09and coworkers
29:10about what this moment means.
29:12Yes, make sure
29:13you fill out
29:14your census form.
29:15That data determines
29:16the money and the power
29:17that comes to our community.
29:19Yes, be intentional
29:21about trying to spend money
29:22with African-American
29:24owned businesses.
29:26Yes, support each other.
29:29It's what we can do.
29:31And be an advocate.
29:32We need to elevate
29:34the idea of economic equity
29:36and business growth
29:38to a higher level
29:40on the political agenda
29:41and yes, on the civil rights
29:43and social justice agenda
29:45in this country.
29:46And I think that's why
29:48this panel is so important.
29:50That's why the work
29:50of the First Lady,
29:51the work of Rich,
29:52certainly the work we're doing
29:54is so critical
29:55to this moment.
29:56Economic justice
29:58is racial justice.
30:01Economic justice
30:02is racial justice.
30:03Economic justice
30:04is a component
30:05of social justice.
30:07It all goes together
30:08and we've got to
30:09raise our voices
30:10and make sure
30:12that that is not forgotten.
30:14Well, you heard him.
30:15That was a perfect note
30:16to end on.
30:18Again, First Lady
30:19Trillane McRae,
30:20Richie Lou Dennis,
30:21Mark Morial,
30:22thank you so much
30:22for joining us today.
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