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00:00Hello, everyone. I'm Dana Perino, along with Emily Campagno, Harold Ford Jr., Jesse Waters, and Greg Gutfeld.
00:06It's 5 o'clock in New York City, and this is The Five.
00:15I think he's terrible. I thought he did a terrible job at the Grammys.
00:19I thought the whole Grammys was terrible. I watched part of it. It's not watchable.
00:23But he was a lousy host. I'd say not as bad as Jimmy Kimmel, but pretty close.
00:28And that was President Trump just a few minutes ago, talking about the Grammys as the music took a backseat to left-wing politics.
00:36Big names like Justin Bieber joining other celebs in wearing ice-out pins and using their acceptance speeches to attack President Trump's immigration agenda.
00:45Before I say thanks to God, I'm going to say ice out.
00:54No one is illegal on stolen land.
00:56Our voices really do matter, and the people matter, and, um, I say sorry.
01:02I hope everybody is inspired to join together as a community of artists and speak out against what's going on.
01:08And I'm going to leave this and say, f***ing ice.
01:10Immigrants built this country.
01:11I'm up here as a granddaughter of an immigrant.
01:13But not everyone is a fan of the posturing.
01:16Bill Maher warning Democrats that Hollywood activism does not persuade voters.
01:21Democrats, it's great you have all the big celebs, but people see them as an arm of the Democratic Party, which they already suspect for lacking common sense.
01:32You know, the celebrities mean well, and we thank them for having their heart in the right place.
01:37But just do you.
01:38Do what you do so well.
01:40Use your extraordinary talents for the noble cause of bringing relief from the problems that ribbons and pins can't fix.
01:48I know it's very important to you that you feel that you're making a difference.
01:52So let me assure you, you are.
01:54You're making independents vote Republican.
01:56It was not all just anti-ice and Jelly Roll took home the prize for Best Contemporary Country Album and used his time on stage to tell the crowd about his faith.
02:08I believe that music had the power to change my life and God had the power to change my life.
02:13Jesus is for everybody.
02:15Jesus is not owned by one political party.
02:18Jesus is Jesus and anybody can have a relationship with him.
02:21I love the cutaway to Areva McIntyre.
02:25She's a legend.
02:27Okay, probably to be expected at the Grammys, but talking about stolen land,
02:33there's almost like on the farthest left of the wokeism spectrum.
02:37So Billie Eilish built a house on the stolen lands.
02:41And then she won't let any illegal squat on it.
02:44Remember what happened when the illegals came to Martha's Vineyard?
02:47They brought in the military to kick him out.
02:50The music industry tried to act like they have the moral high grounds with immigration.
02:55Dana, I watched the Diddy documentary.
02:58These people are nasty, nasty.
03:02And, you know, also they're the cartel's biggest customer.
03:07I mean, they do more blow than Charlie Sheen.
03:09Watch it.
03:10Hey, he's clean now.
03:11Now?
03:13Ice keeps families more together than the music business.
03:17Trust me.
03:17I mean, 23andMe couldn't even figure out the family trees in that industry.
03:21It's not about the policy.
03:24It's more about a protest.
03:25Because for four years, you didn't see them wearing pins about loving the open border.
03:31They just talked about trans and Fauci and Ukraine, whatever was fashionable at the time
03:36in order to make themselves feel like they had the moral high ground or feel like they were politically engaged.
03:44Liberals run the Grammys like Trump runs the border.
03:48You have to show an ID to get in.
03:50You have to have merit.
03:52And you have to have an invitation.
03:54They don't even realize that.
03:56But what's really going on is this is a now global music industry.
04:02The audience is global.
04:03That's where the money is.
04:04And everybody downloading is Gen Z and mostly women.
04:09So that's the target audience to this anti-ice message.
04:13The people say, oh, you got to respect their opinion.
04:16I do respect their opinion.
04:18But I don't value their opinion because their opinion is not informed.
04:23If I want to hear a great song, I listen to Lady Gaga.
04:27If I want to hear about immigration policy, I listen to Stephen Miller, who also has a great voice.
04:35What else can Miller do?
04:37Well, hey, we may find out.
04:40Harold Ford, does Bill Maher have a point to Democrats when he says, guys, this is not persuasive?
04:46He does.
04:47Good to be with everybody.
04:49But here's the thing, though.
04:51I didn't look, I didn't turn the Grammys on last night looking for political affirmation.
04:57If you want that, I turn to Fox News.
04:59Anyone watching, you should do the same.
05:02If you want to hear some people who are incredibly talented, can sing, can dance, I thought the Bruno Mars opening to the show was unbelievable.
05:10I thought Jelly Roll, I was moved.
05:12I never really tweeted.
05:13I tweeted Jelly Roll.
05:15Don't know this guy.
05:16What he said was unbelievable.
05:18I mean, it moved me in many, many ways, and I hope it moved my pals here at the table as well.
05:22The First Amendment, I talk and Greg gets on me because I remind people the First Amendment gives everybody a right to free speech.
05:29But the First Amendment also gives you the right to turn the station.
05:32I would advise everybody that gets offended by these people to just turn the channel on them.
05:38And if you're intrigued and entranced by music, if you're intrigued and entranced by movies, the award shows, that's what I'm speaking of, then they're fun to watch.
05:47But I don't agree with a lot of things they're saying about politics, but I sure do love watching Bruno Mars sing.
05:53So I'm going to watch it.
05:54I'm going to watch it every year.
05:56What did you think, Emily?
05:56Well, I did not watch it for that reason.
06:01I didn't want to be part of the Nielsen ratings, frankly.
06:03And I also don't like to watch great music sort of destroyed by the production and the theater, which is what it is.
06:10It's kabuki to me.
06:12Today in the elevator, I was riding in a different bank, one of the other corporations here.
06:16Oh, the other one?
06:17And there was sort of like a very young person there that was obviously getting a tour by someone.
06:21And they were talking about, couldn't help it over here because we were in the same elevator.
06:24He was like, oh, yes, I did X, Y, Z.
06:27And it was, oh, it was just one of the most amazing experiences of my life.
06:30And it was like the only experience of your life.
06:31You're 12.
06:32And that is exactly the same sort of like flip response that I have to all of these celebrities on stage.
06:39When you contrast the sentiment and the experience and the credibility behind, for example, Jelly Roll versus Billie Eilish.
06:46I think about how Jelly Roll has been incarcerated for many years in and out.
06:49He was a drug addict.
06:50He speaks openly about his criminal history, about his issues with drug addiction.
06:55And then he is there telling us about his testimony and about being saved by Jesus Christ and what faith does and how his heart has turned because of faith and worshiping the Lord and encouraging others to find that same freedom.
07:07And then you have someone that had a number one album in the whole world by the age of 16 who has so many billions that she can give 12 million dollars to climate change, a project alone, who lectures me about stolen land, but lives comfortably behind gates and a double digit million dollar security bill per year.
07:25And tells me about what the law looks like or how I feel safe or how I support law enforcement or where I'm going to put my money and my safety and my family.
07:36And the faith that I have in these law enforcement, the brave men and women who protect us and protect them, regardless of them trashing it, is reflected in the fact that I humbly and quietly don't know everything.
07:47But to be lectured by these people whose lives have been buffered and bloated with comfort and with entitlement their entire lives and have the gall to think their pins actually going to matter or change something.
08:00Have they lobbied legislation?
08:01Have they have they have they done anything worth of substance whatsoever?
08:05She, by the way, was homeschooled in a creative arts household and was born and raised in L.A.
08:10I forgot to say that when I talked about the entitlement.
08:12So the cushion and the petri dish these people exist in who think they have the nerve to lecture me, I was watching something different.
08:19Are those the pins?
08:20What pins were they wearing for the Golden Globes?
08:22They also had pins.
08:24Oh, be good.
08:26Be good.
08:26Oh, yeah.
08:27Remember those?
08:28The pin industry is doing well in Hollywood.
08:30I don't want to be a hypocrite, Dana.
08:32So I have to point out that this show is being filmed on stolen land.
08:36This used to be Glenn Beck's studio.
08:37I love Billie Eilish because she managed to be not just stupid on one issue, but stupid on two issues simultaneously.
08:47That is she's up in her game.
08:50How can you how can the land be stolen if there is no border?
08:54Right.
08:54Right.
08:55So she said she's she's absolutely amazing.
08:57And Jesse, you're right.
08:59She has this massive house on stolen land and she has to turn that into a casino because that's that's the only way forward.
09:09I don't I don't expect her to, like, move out immediately, but turn it into a casino.
09:13Let people in.
09:14I know she has some stalkers.
09:16What's that about?
09:17How come she keeps out stalkers?
09:18I don't understand this.
09:19Not about politics, politics at all.
09:21It's about persona, you know, Don Lemon got a standing ovation from them, but it's not about him, you know, because Don is Don.
09:30He's an ambulance chaser.
09:31But the ambulance is status.
09:33It's the people who give it to him.
09:35Why do they give it to them?
09:37If you you have to understand their children when they're out there, they look like adults, but they're actually children.
09:42They have they don't really have a background that everybody else does.
09:50They're frightened and they're insecure.
09:52They're really worried about fitting in.
09:54So even though they will dress like a rebel, they will embrace any slogan because deep down they fear that their deficiencies will be exposed.
10:02They are basket cases.
10:03Every person in there is a basket case worried about their imposter syndrome and wondering when will their luck run out?
10:11So what they do, it's amazing because everybody thinks of them as standout celebrities.
10:16They will do anything to fit in, which is why they went after Nicki Minaj, because she refused to.
10:23And by refusing to fit in, they felt like, oh, my God, people can actually see us.
10:28They actually could see us for what we are.
10:30We're just a bunch of followers and we're terrified.
10:33Giving Don Lemon an ovation tells you how much they hate you, the consumer.
10:38It was the consumer's church, the person in America's church that that he stormed, that he scared those children, but that he tried to sabotage.
10:50But they don't think it that way.
10:51Their empathy is purely performative and it's not real.
10:55But by embracing him, they piss on them.
10:58And I love how transparent they are in their subservient stupidity.
11:02I love how they did it so quickly.
11:06Boom, bat signal.
11:08While they were doing that, what was going on?
11:10We have the lowest murder rate in history.
11:13The D.
11:13ICE found 2,700 exploited children.
11:17They located 145,000 missing migrant kids while they were doing Adderall and Pilates.
11:24I mean, ICE did more in a few days than they will ever do in a lifetime.
11:28In a lifetime, and maybe that's why they're upset.
11:32I think that ICE rescuing all these kids has put a real damper in their pipeline of underage sex workers.
11:39Do you recommend Adderall and Pilates?
11:41Yeah, does that make sense?
11:42Adderall and Pilates.
11:43I've never thought of that before.
11:44You can get the entire program done in 10 minutes.
11:47Okay, good.
11:48Speed Pilates.
11:49Jesus is for everybody.
11:51Up next is Gavin Newsom, too handsome for hard questions.
11:57Jesse will answer.
11:57Some folks at Vogue apparently think so.
11:59Looks like the liberal press is already gushing over Greasy.
12:20Vogue giving Gavin Newsom a glossy spread profile ahead of his new memoir, which I kid you not,
12:27you guys, the first line in the piece says this, quote, I can't even read this.
12:30I want to throw up.
12:31Let's get this out of the way.
12:32He is embarrassingly handsome, his hair seasoned with silver, at ease with his own eminence as
12:38he delivers his final state of the state address.
12:42And the puffery doesn't stop there.
12:44The New Yorker praising Newsom for, quote, playing the long game.
12:47And the New York Times is insisting that Americans should know that he, quote, struggled growing
12:52up.
12:53The governor speaking to Bloomberg over the weekend and remaining coy over his 2028 aspirations.
12:59He'll Trump be known in years.
13:03He's got a few years left.
13:04Even if his state of mind is to extend his term and have competitive authoritarian election
13:10like Putin, his time of life suggests this term will be up in three.
13:17And and that gives us an opportunity to turn the proverbial page.
13:22Oh, OK, Jesse, you were invoked going into this by Dana.
13:25Yeah.
13:26So the media is treating Gavin Newsom like a woman.
13:29OK.
13:31Yes.
13:32He's got the Annie Leibovitz photo shoot.
13:34The women are writing about his hair.
13:37He styles it after Pierce Brosnan.
13:39We found out this title of this Vogue article, Gavin Newsom is setting his own rules.
13:44That is the headline of a story about a woman.
13:48The copy is incredible.
13:51He approaches policy as jazzy.
13:55He has a sensitive soul.
13:57Each day starts with lemon water and he consumes nothing but fruit until noon.
14:02He studied art history in Rome.
14:05He puts his dishes in the dishwasher.
14:09Gavin is a person with frailties and failings.
14:13Here's my favorite line.
14:14The late summer sun bathed Newsom in an oh so California magic hour glow.
14:22That's awesome.
14:22And then they compare him to an immaculate windup doll.
14:25So it's a female writer who at one point was upset that he leaned away from her during the interview.
14:31And the woman managed not to ask him about homelessness, AI and the fires.
14:36So here's the challenge for Gavin Newsom.
14:39The media is going to treat him like a ditzy hot chick and want to sleep with him and then do their best not to ask him any questions to embarrass him.
14:50There's another factor.
14:51The media is going to treat him like the ideal guy for a liberal woman.
14:57You know, someone who cleans up after himself.
14:59Someone who cries a lot.
15:01Someone who's into art.
15:02Someone who's into wine.
15:04Those kind of people.
15:05And so that's going to be an issue for Gavin.
15:08We're going to have a field day.
15:09But I'm just pissed because Gavin would have made the best Republican.
15:14Look at him.
15:15If Gavin was born in Texas, imagine he's pro business.
15:19He's throwing out the first pitch at a baseball game.
15:21He's making fun of people like Harold.
15:24This guy would be incredible.
15:27But apparently something went wrong with his brain growing up and he's a Democrat.
15:31And he's just going to have to live with it.
15:33All right, Harold, you were tagged in.
15:34So I think two things.
15:36First, we spend a lot of time talking about this guy.
15:38Yeah.
15:38And this is a great thing for him.
15:40But two things.
15:41One, that he is going from one, we talk about him all the time.
15:44Two, he does the best tile snapping.
15:46He wants attention just like a woman.
15:48And we give it to him.
15:50And also, Harold, our show is about political topics.
15:54Fair enough.
15:54But we don't talk about any of the Democrats.
15:56He's also put in front of us, Harold.
15:59It's great.
16:00This is not critical of us.
16:01I'm only saying, for his sake, he's in a great position.
16:04Two, he does the best tile snapping with Trump.
16:07I think they both have a little affection for one another.
16:09They like one another.
16:10And there's an affinity there.
16:11But they both know each other's game.
16:14And they both kind of like it.
16:15What's a tile snap?
16:16Just kind of the locker room stuff, guys.
16:18Can you show me?
16:22Now, the third thing he has to get done, Gavin, is the ideas and the answers and be able to
16:27show the things he's done in California, how he can apply that to the nation.
16:29But I got to tell you, there are a lot of governors and a lot of senators and a lot of
16:32congressmen who have some substantive things they've been able to accomplish.
16:35But they can't do the first two things this guy's done and that he is doing.
16:39He keeps doing what he's doing.
16:40And he gets the third piece right.
16:41He's going to be a formidable candidate come 2028.
16:46This is not my block, so I'm holding my tongue.
16:48Wait, Greg, you know what I hate?
16:49What?
16:49I hate that the lie, the myth has been perpetuated that he had it hard growing up, that he was
16:54poor and all.
16:55No, he wasn't.
16:55He was a de facto Getty.
16:58They funded him, for God's sake.
17:01And lemon water?
17:02What?
17:03Does Don come over and pee on him?
17:05What does this mean?
17:06Look, you could always tell how bad a situation is by the extent of the makeover.
17:12You know?
17:13It's exactly the same thing they did with Joe and Jill when they would profile him as
17:18this elegant team brimming with wisdom and empathy.
17:21But it was actually Nurse Ratched wheeling around, you know, Grandpa Walton.
17:25There's a reference.
17:27Do you remember Grandpa Walton?
17:28Yeah.
17:29Will Gere?
17:30Anyway.
17:30And then the dumber Kamala seemed, the more they elevated her folksiness.
17:35And Tim Waltz, the more kind of Rip Taylor-esque he seemed, the more they talked about his
17:42masculinity.
17:43Meanwhile, Republicans, they're just called Nazis or they're not covered at all.
17:47That's generally what they do.
17:49I don't blame Gavin at all for this puffery.
17:54It's about Vogue.
17:55You know, people lost their homes.
17:58They lost their lives.
17:59And this author's writing a piece with one hand.
18:03She should be eviscerated for this profile.
18:08I mean, I can't imagine, like, when she's done writing this, people go, like, that was
18:12really amazing.
18:13No, they should say, like, you didn't ask him about the fires.
18:17What about the latest California health fraud, where 18 percent of the entire country's
18:21health care billings come from one county, L.A.?
18:25Nearly 300 hospices are found in a two-mile radius of unmarked buildings, strip malls,
18:32wrecking yards.
18:34This is in California.
18:35Meanwhile, people are truly dying.
18:38But he's so handsome and adorable.
18:40How, how can she write another article?
18:44Oh, my God.
18:46Also, just plain out, if I were him, I would be getting a restraining order against her.
18:49Yes.
18:50That crossed the line in that way, too.
18:51Dana, here's my question.
18:53Beto, remember, was put on the cover of Vanity Fair.
18:55Is Gavin just like the pet, and people like to look at him and pet him, but they don't
19:00take him seriously as a politician?
19:01I wrote right here, Beto O'Rourke.
19:04No way!
19:05Because when Jesse said if he'd been born in Texas, then maybe he would have cleaned up.
19:09But Beto O'Rourke was the, was his name, Gavin Newsom of Texas.
19:14Yeah.
19:15And he lost three times.
19:16Yeah.
19:16So, right now, Gavin, on the other hand, he's won.
19:18And he beat a recall.
19:20And the best thing that he could get right now is tougher press, because it would make
19:26him better.
19:26You think about Tim Walls, never had tough press, never had a competitive race.
19:30This wall's right in.
19:31And then, like, all of a sudden, everyone's like, oh, wow, this guy is really terrible.
19:34So, if he actually had to answer some tougher questions about being Governor U-Haul, for
19:39example, or all the other things that you all have mentioned, I think it would help him
19:42a lot.
19:42At least, unlike some of the others, he has been willing to meet with a lot of conservatives.
19:46He's done several podcasts and shows, not Jesse's, though we're hoping that that's going
19:50to happen very soon.
19:51But until he does that, he is like the Beto O'Rourke of Kamala Harris's.
20:00We discussed politics on this show.
20:01I just wrote that down.
20:02I just want to make sure I remember that.
20:04You know what?
20:05The reason why I picked on you about that is that people will always say, like, well,
20:09we're talking about him.
20:12And it's like, well, what else are we going to talk about?
20:14You know?
20:15Like, who do you want to talk about?
20:17I wasn't saying it.
20:18I wasn't being critical.
20:19I'm tired of you, Harold.
20:20He loves us talking about him.
20:21And all I'm saying, he's got the first two down.
20:23If he gets the issues.
20:24Yeah.
20:24Well, hopefully his campaign manager is a female, so she doesn't have to worry about.
20:28Okay, fine.
20:29Up next, apparently protesting isn't enough.
20:32Radical activists are now doxing ICE agents, putting their lives in danger.
20:36Gavin Newsom.
20:51Far-left protesters were belting out the anti-ICE ballads at a target in Minneapolis as the protests
21:04spread nationwide over the weekend.
21:06Violent chaos from Portland to L.A.
21:08And now the radicals are taking things a step too far.
21:11According to reports, protesters are using social media and encrypted messaging apps to track ICE vehicles
21:19and agents, while hackers have targeted ICE's surveillance arsenal.
21:23Leftist foreign agents are doxing nearly 5,000 past and present agents, compiling their personal
21:29information on a Wikipedia-style website.
21:32And left-wing ProPublica posting the names of the two agents involved in Alex Preddy's death.
21:39Meanwhile, Secretary Kristi Noem just announced on X that effective immediately, DHS is deploying
21:44body cameras to every officer in the field in Minneapolis.
21:48And it looks like the president's on board.
21:52They generally tend to be good for law enforcement because people can't lie about what's happening.
21:56So it's generally speaking, I think, 80 percent good for law enforcement.
22:01But if she wants to do that, I'm OK with it.
22:06Emily, the body cams.
22:09You saw what happened after BLM with the body cams.
22:12This could also expose the anti-ICERS just the same way.
22:16Yes.
22:16And I think for those Democrats that need some type of ground extended to them, I think it
22:23could be an important sign of conciliation and consideration.
22:28And also, in many jurisdictions, it's also—it was already part of the procedure.
22:32So I don't see it as a concession on the part of law enforcement to do that.
22:37I will say that, you know, I want to make sort of two points here.
22:41The first is that, as we know, one of the agents was CBP, and we hear from Hollywood
22:47and from everyone, right, to ice out and demanding that they are dismantled and advocating
22:54for their death and threatening them and their families and the like.
22:57Well, it's CBP that has helped searching for, for example, Savannah Guthrie's mom.
23:01Like, law enforcement does many different things.
23:04And when you advocate foolishly and without any credibility or thought for the extinguishment
23:09of an entire group of people that are serving this country, you have zero idea that that's
23:13only a part of what they do.
23:15And everyone relies on them for so much more than that one slim, tiny point that everyone
23:20is harping on.
23:21And also, do you guys remember, horrifically, when U.S. District Judge Esser Salas was shot
23:26on her doorstep, her son was killed?
23:28That same year, there was a law passed in her state, rightly so, that prohibited basically
23:33doxing judges, that prohibited publishing their information.
23:36Just two years later, there was a federal analog that was passed doing the same.
23:41We don't have one that's against doxing of federal agents.
23:44We have a patchwork of laws on the federal side and state side that obviously you can't
23:48threaten or impede and use their information to do so.
23:51But this is where legislators need to get on board and make it immediately a stiff federal
23:56crime to dox these agents.
23:58I am tired of seeing toll lines and websites and posters out about, if you find anyone's
24:04information, send it here, and having that somehow exist without penalty, someone is
24:09going to die.
24:10And please, God, let it not happen if these guys are allowed to continue doxing these federal
24:15agents.
24:16Harold?
24:17I'll be very brief on this.
24:19Peaceful protesting is a liable.
24:21Anybody that engages in these kinds of activities, including doxing, including unlawful protesting,
24:27should and must be held accountable.
24:29I agree with Emily, federal laws, state laws, we should have a federal law about anybody
24:34in law enforcement, if that matter, public office, having these kinds of threats, and
24:39for that matter, facing these kinds of things without these people being held accountable.
24:43So I couldn't agree more.
24:44And Greg, you would agree that singing any song in a Target should be outlawed.
24:48Did you notice they were nowhere near the beauty section?
24:52Yeah, it is funny that these are the same people that are telling ICE not to wear masks.
24:56That's why they're wearing masks, you bozos.
24:59I feel like they're trying to bring the band back together.
25:02You know, the band that made such a splash in 2020.
25:04They're dusting off the old instruments, except they've actually practiced.
25:08They're doxing.
25:09They got the donor money.
25:10They got the signal chat.
25:12They're getting the street theater together.
25:14They're bullying.
25:15But it's not a band.
25:16It's a crime family.
25:17Because what they're doing, it's extortion pretending to be protest.
25:21If you vote Republican, it's going to be hard for you to run your business, because we're
25:26going to be out in front.
25:28It's going to be hard for you to get to work, because we're going to block the streets.
25:30And we're going to make your kids' life hell at school, because we're the teachers and
25:34the administrators, and we're going to let them go out and protest everything there
25:37is.
25:38The weird thing is, is we're talking about this doxing.
25:41It's bad.
25:41But you know what bugs me the most, and not enough people talk about it, is the goading.
25:47You know what I mean?
25:48You can't put it into words, but they are goading people.
25:52The action isn't a protest.
25:55We know that.
25:56It's not really agitating.
25:58They're goading you to do something.
26:01It's an action that is designed to cause a reaction that will then escalate into some
26:06kind of tragedy or violence that they filmed.
26:07They did this to the Jews on the subways in New York City.
26:10Remember the whites at brunch in D.C. during the post-George Floyd stuff?
26:15They'd get in front of you, and they just wanted you to react, and then they could do
26:20something.
26:21Now it's my turn to turn into Jesse Waters.
26:25Why are so many women in this and not men?
26:28Why, Dana?
26:29Don't answer.
26:30It's impossible to goad adult men.
26:34We resist.
26:35We remain stoic.
26:36But women are easier to goad because they're afraid to be ostracized.
26:42So they join in the goading.
26:44And I'm talking about these liberal women.
26:46It's better to be on the side of the goaders than be the goadee.
26:50But when you goad somebody, you will meet consequences because the people above you that
26:56want you to goad, they want those consequences.
26:58They want you to be punched.
27:00They want you to be shot because that helps them.
27:03It's like when children do that, Dana.
27:05I'm not touching you.
27:06Yes.
27:07I'm not touching you.
27:07So everybody had so many great points.
27:12I will add a couple of here.
27:14Do you remember Chop Chaz?
27:16Yes.
27:17So Minneapolis is becoming like Chop Chaz.
27:19If the mayor and the governor are not going to do more, then that's what you're going to
27:26end up with.
27:26And we'll have the little chyron up above that says Chop Chaz rather than Minneapolis.
27:29The other thing is we haven't talked enough about this sheriff in that county.
27:36What is it?
27:36What a Hennepin County, whatever it's called.
27:38That sheriff there.
27:39She is one of the people elected who refuses to coordinate with ICE.
27:46OK, so when the governor says, I'm cooperating and the mayor is like, what are you talking
27:52about?
27:52I'm cooperating.
27:53We have we need to do more about talking about who is the person that could actually
27:58work with Tom Homan to get this done.
28:00And it is her.
28:01She is she.
28:03So that's one wonder.
28:05Another thing is I know it's another woman.
28:07Yes.
28:09The other thing is these people got what they wanted in a way.
28:13Right.
28:14They got a change.
28:16They got Trump to say we're going to make some changes here.
28:20And the Border Patrol left.
28:22They have all of the signage is all about ICE.
28:25All of the dark money groups have all the signage.
28:27It's all anti-ICE.
28:29What do they have at the Grammys?
28:31All anti-ICE.
28:32The Border Patrol are the ones who have left.
28:36Why did they leave?
28:36Even President Trump said he made Greg Vivino might have been a little bit too out there.
28:40Those are his words.
28:42So they won on something and they can't accept that.
28:45But they want to make their fellow citizens pay for something.
28:48They are the ones being goaded by the dark money advisors that are showing up 10 seconds
28:53after Alex Freddie was killed with more anti-ICE things.
28:57Like, guys, that wasn't ICE.
28:58So there's a lot of misinformation and not enough information happening out there.
29:04Coming in the third inning, not the seventh.
29:06Yeah.
29:06You know, dark money.
29:07That was your stripper name.
29:08That's why Joe Biden might have been the last Democrat to ever wander around the White House.
29:19In your face, Harold, Democrats may never win again.
29:34That's the end of the story.
29:35If these 2030 census projections hold up, according to new data, Democrats are likely to lose at least 10 House seats
29:41as folks bail on high state blue states for red state sanity.
29:45And that could spell doom for any Democrat trying to cross 270 electoral votes.
29:50CNN's Data Nerd is breaking it down.
29:54Should set off a flashing red siren to Democrats nationwide.
29:57The biggest population growth this decade, all five of the states states that Donald Trump, Donald John Trump won
30:03the lowest domestic net migration this decade.
30:07All five of the states states that were won by Kamala Harris in 2024.
30:12We got a red state boom going on, a blue state depression going on,
30:16people moving from the blue states to the red states.
30:18And if it holds for 2030, well, it would make the Democratic nominee for president's job
30:24of winning the Electoral College that much more difficult.
30:26I could see him doing Pilates in Adderall, Dana.
30:30You know, people are leaving these liberal dystopians, these sanctuary cities for something that's not like that.
30:39But then they bring their ideas with them.
30:41Not necessarily.
30:42See, yes, sometimes.
30:43And I think Colorado is a very good example of that.
30:46When I was a kid growing up, that was a reliably red state.
30:49And when they talk about the Californication of Colorado, then what do you have?
30:53You have definitely a reliably blue state.
30:55It just passed right over purple.
30:58It goes back to Governor U-Haul.
31:00There's nobody in California that is leaving because they're sick of sunshine and beaches and the sports teams and the good weather.
31:06They're leaving because they cannot take it anymore.
31:09They can't afford to live there.
31:11And they want a better life for themselves.
31:13I think it's very interesting.
31:14If you look ahead, if you're somebody like a Harry Anton who says, I'm just I'm just trying to be the warning.
31:21I'm just warning you guys that this is what's going to happen.
31:23Do you know how hard it is when like Hemmer's at the board and we're like, who's going to get to 270?
31:28If elections become much, much easier for Republicans because of this, that is just real world consequences for terrible policies.
31:37Exactly.
31:38And so, Harold, I want to go to you next.
31:40And I hope that you surprise me with your answer.
31:42So do you think we might be undergoing a natural kind of like inevitable split, like a peaceful split where the people who just don't like liberal policies are going to move here and the people that are rich enough to endure liberal policies stay?
31:59I hope not.
32:01I think what Dana said is is something we should take into account.
32:04I remember when New York and California in my lifetime both had Republican governors.
32:08I'm a believer that performance means a lot more.
32:12And I'll use the word, no pun intended, performance trumps population patterns all the time.
32:17President Trump was a unique and transformational figure in politics.
32:21He got union households in Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania to vote for him.
32:26These are the same states that less than 15 years ago Barack Obama won in 2012 and 2008.
32:31Bill Clinton in my lifetime was transformed into Democrat because he helped everyday working class white Americans come back to the party after Ronald Reagan famously got Reagan Democrats in Michigan and Pennsylvania to vote for him.
32:44At the end of the day, it's always about performance.
32:47Ask the Republican state Senate candidate in Texas who lost the district that President Trump had won by 17 points.
32:53She lost by 31 points.
32:55I mean, 14 points, a 31 point turnaround.
32:57I'm not saying that Democrats should read any more into this than this one thing.
33:02Republicans are not performing the way they promised they would in the campaign.
33:05So as much as moving patterns may and population patterns may determine things, I think people are going to go where the cost of living is good, where the weather is good, where their kids like it, where they can get into good schools, their kids can be educated, health care is reasonable, housing is reasonable.
33:20And if you happen to be a state that nominated or voted for a Republican the last time, so be it.
33:25If it happens to be one where Democrat won, so be it.
33:28Performance Trump's population.
33:30But, Emily, Harold conveniently ignores the fact that all the blue cities suck.
33:36I don't know of any.
33:37Well, I mean, no, I mean, in terms of taxes and I mean, do we have any red cities?
33:45We have red states.
33:47Yeah, we have red states.
33:48But are there red cities?
33:49Of course there are red cities.
33:50Like, even in Nashville, it's not a red city.
33:52No, it's not a red city.
33:53You guys run all the cities.
33:55San Diego, maybe.
33:57San Diego.
33:57It used to be.
33:58Yeah.
33:59Yeah.
33:59I just see that, you know, the point about performance, like, people don't uproot their lives for slogans.
34:07They uproot their lives because they realize that they're sick and tired of living in a five-foot-by-five-foot, rat-invested, socialist crap hole.
34:16They want their children to be educated without being told that they can't put a Bible in their backpack.
34:21I mean, the freedom that people exercise during COVID to say, oh, thank God, I don't have to live here.
34:29I don't have to commute, you know, physically.
34:30I can move to a red state where my kids can have a choice of where to go to school and where I can live in a normal house and where I can be safe and I'm not subjected to this trash.
34:40When you actually interview everyone that lives in these cities, they either have enough money to be able to say, well, it doesn't really affect me.
34:46They get to stay in cars.
34:48They don't get to ride the subway.
34:49They don't have to sort of rub elbows with all of the psychopaths that are in or the protesters that are in every town.
34:55Or they are in poverty and they can't afford to move.
34:58Or they're stuck in a job that they can't leave.
35:00Tell me about it.
35:01The thing is to remember is that Republicans have that $100 million advantage in their coffers right now.
35:07So even if we think that they're not delivering on certain things, they have that.
35:11They have that, which is going to be so huge for protecting incumbents and growing ground while Dems just hide behind hashtags.
35:18Performance Trump's population pattern is not a slogan.
35:21It's a fact.
35:22That's what people, people move to the places where they believe they're going to have their best lives and they vote for the people who are going to affirm and perpetuate those lives.
35:30And it can be a Democrat or a Republican.
35:32But if anyone stays trapped in a notion that Democrats run the worst things, Republicans run the best things, I would just argue with you that the history of America proves you wrong.
35:40My theory, Jesse.
35:42I'm sorry, I thought you were talking.
35:42My bad, brother.
35:43Harold, calm down.
35:44We're going to have to ask you to leave.
35:46I hate it when it gets like this.
35:48Jesse, isn't it kind of more like an age thing where young people flock to the city?
35:54I'm going to go to New York.
35:56I'm going to go to Los Angeles.
35:57And then all of a sudden, maybe they get married and if they're lucky, they settle down and then they go, I got to get the hell out of here because I can't live a normal life here.
36:06Right.
36:06And they move out.
36:07It's called voting with your feet.
36:09And that doesn't mean you stick your big toe and punch the ballot.
36:12That means it's figuratively, Greg.
36:14Oh, thank you.
36:14The also problem the Democrats have is they're sucking all these migrants out and the migrants are counted in the census.
36:20So that's why Democrats are fighting to the death to keep these people in, no matter whether they've killed people or not.
36:26And the SCOTUS has big rulings on race and big rulings on birthright citizenship.
36:32That could also destroy Democrat power.
36:34So they have two choices.
36:35You guys are either going to have to reopen the border, deliver amnesty to everybody, make D.C. and Puerto Rico a state,
36:44or you might have to reach across the aisle, Harold, and maybe persuade people that your policies are better instead of just importing voters.
36:52Yeah, maybe actually work on some ideas, Harold.
36:58In your face.
36:59You keep winning, though.
37:00Welcome back.
37:01Despite the haters, Melania, the movie, crushed you at the box office, earning $7 million during opening weekend,
37:07which makes it the highest opening for a non-music documentary in over a decade.
37:12DP, there's a mystery to her.
37:14I mean, there's something so interesting about her, her policy issues, obviously her history and in fashion.
37:21What do you make of this?
37:22Well, I think what I liked when she was here, she talked about how it was so different for her.
37:27But you could tell, like, she's got a business-oriented mind.
37:30She's very good at marketing.
37:31She has a style that people, I think, are fascinated with.
37:34And what I really liked is she said, sometimes I talk about things, and sometimes I'm silent.
37:41And you can read into it whatever you want.
37:43She doesn't care what you think, necessarily, about how she's reacting.
37:47She is fully her own person and had a great moment and a great time at the box office.
37:52So, the highest-rated documentary, highest-grossing documentary in, I think, a decade.
37:56Yeah.
37:57You know, it's amazing.
37:58The film that beat this movie at the box office was called Iron Lung, which I thought was about Joe Biden's current location.
38:07What do you think about this?
38:08I'm reading a book about how to manipulate people's emotions.
38:11And one of the things they say to be successful is to be mysterious and not give all of yourself all of the time to other people.
38:19Consistent with that, let Emily give a final word on this.
38:21The Delta in between the two could not be more huge.
38:24The critics call this chillingly vain, empty and foul.
38:26They could not be more wrong.
38:29Whenever the Rotten Tomatoes are like a million and the critics are nothing, you know it's a good film.
38:34One more thing is up next.
38:36Remember, you should drive a Yukon.
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