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01:39But really humanitarian when it comes to the blackouts that can go on for hours, the impact.
01:44On the electricity and the heating, minus 20 degrees and no heating.
01:48Obviously, it's very difficult.
01:49It's a difficult situation for the people of Ukraine.
01:51On that note, yesterday, Kayakala said that she.
01:54He believes the Russians are not serious about the negotiations.
01:57We know there's a number of documents that have been.
01:59But on the table, conversations and talks that are going on between the U.S., Russia, the European Union and.
02:04And Ukraine, we talk about this idea of the prosperity plan, the reconstruction of Ukraine all the way to.
02:09But obviously, all of this is underpinned by the final peace settlement.
02:12And that still looks very, very.
02:14This brings up, however, a very uncomfortable question for Kayakala.
02:19Which is, why are the Europeans not directly involved?
02:22Is there a way that Europe can have a.
02:24And we are now seeing tensions within the 27, some of which suggest.
02:29Kayakala cannot do it.
02:30We need to bring up someone, someone else to talk to the Russians.
02:34We need to take a look at those different opinions.
02:36We need to talk with them if we want a solution.
02:39If we can't talk to them, we won't find a solution.
02:41And if I was too small to do it, if.
02:44If then the President Macron or someone else is able to represent Europe because they don't want to talk to.
02:49We can't be the demanders.
02:54Here that, you know, we go to Russia, talk to us.
02:57The concessions that the.
02:59Americans are putting on Ukraine are quite strong.
03:03So I don't.
03:04I don't think there is anything that we can offer to Russia on top of that.
03:09Divided opinions there, Maria.
03:12There was also consensus yesterday.
03:14on listing Iran's revolutionary guard as a terrorist organization.
03:18Yeah, of course, a European.
03:19officials briefing that this is really the killing machine of the regime.
03:22And this is in response to this very.
03:24violent crackdown that took place at the start of the month on the streets of Iran when the protests.
03:29really took off.
03:30Ultimately, the French, the Spanish and the Italians agreed.
03:34to designate them as a terrorist group.
03:36There had been concerns that this is why this decision.
03:39took about two weeks to get finally sealed and approved by the French and certainly also.
03:44the Spanish that a there is a hostage situation in Iran.
03:47So there was a concern about the wealth.
03:49being of nationals and European citizens who are still in the country, but also there was a concern that.
03:54that this could really completely knock off all diplomatic channels.
03:57It was interesting yesterday to hear from.
03:59Kaya Kala saying that this this new designation as a terrorist group had been, quote, a calculated risk.
04:04but also pointing to the idea that the channels with the foreign ministry still remain.
04:08Maria, thank you.
04:09for that we'll be keeping an eye on that story, of course, throughout the day, but coming up next, I'll be joined by former.
04:14European Council President Charles Michel.
04:17He served for five years in the top.
04:19Brussels job and steered EU leaders response to Russia's invasion.
04:24of Ukraine in 2022.
04:27He has also served as the.
04:29prime minister of Belgium before becoming the European Council president.
04:34and I'm very, very happy to say that he joins us now in our studio in.
04:39.
04:39Brussels, welcome.
04:40Welcome back to your news.
04:41Great to have you.
04:42Thank you.
04:43Good morning.
04:44Listen, we.
04:44We heard from Kaya Kalas there resisting this pressure coming from Maloney Mac.
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04:49for the EU to engage directly in talks with Russia.
04:52Do you think it's the right moment?
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04:59the table, because today that's very sad.
05:01That's even a bit shocking.
05:03Who is this?
05:04Defending the European interest around the table, not the United States, not Russia.
05:09And I think that Ukraine and the EU, we have the same goals we want.
05:14More stability.
05:15We want peace.
05:16We want security.
05:17And I think it would be legitimate.
05:19If there is a way to make sure that our European interests are...
05:24But who can go to those talks?
05:26Who can stand up to Putin?
05:28Is it Kayakalas?
05:29Because many leaders say she can't do it.
05:31Yeah, I think that the European Council...
05:34Special role to play, because that's a very legitimate body with 27 head of state, head of...
05:39government, and that's, I think, a debate for the European Council, and I'm confident...
05:44that sooner or later, the European Council can give a mandate to someone.
05:48It can be...
05:49To the point of the European Council, Antonio Costa, for instance, to be the one who has the legitimate...
05:54intimacy to talk on behalf of the 27 member states.
05:56Yet calls in this town this week.
05:59from some quarters on the EU to consider merging the roles of the Council...
06:04chief and the commission chief.
06:05Is that something you'd support?
06:06Do we need a president of Europe?
06:08Look, this...
06:09is not a traditional debate, and the day, there will be a direct...
06:14great election of the European representatives of the European institutions...
06:19then that's a legitimate debate and question.
06:22But, you know, my impression is that...
06:24The European Union is based on a double legitimacy.
06:27The member states on the one hand...
06:29on the other hand, and on the other hand, the European Parliament and the Commission...
06:32with a certain role to defend...
06:34the general European interest.
06:36And I feel...
06:37whatever we do in terms of city...
06:39we will have always to take into account this double reality.
06:43You had...
06:44ten harsh words for the NATO chief Mark Rutter earlier this week.
06:47Do you think he's smooth-talking Trump...
06:49too much?
06:50You say that Europe is able to defend itself.
06:52I want to be clear.
06:53Mark...
06:54Mark Rutter is disappointing.
06:55And I'm losing confidence.
06:56Why?
06:57Because I am not expecting...
06:59Mark Fried to be an American agent
07:01and expecting Mark Fried to work
07:02for the unity.
07:04Today we can see that article 5
07:07is put in danger.
07:09Why?
07:09Because of this very hostile rhetoric
07:11developed within the United States.
07:14Developed by the White House, point one.
07:16We face intimidations, we face threats.
07:19What is going on with Greenland
07:21is not acceptable
07:22and I expect...
07:24Mark Fried to be a strong voice
07:25to defend the unity within NATO.
07:29If he were in his shoes,
07:29what should Europe do?
07:30How can it stand up to Trump?
07:32It's very clear that appeasement...
07:34will not work.
07:35Flattering diplomacy will lead to a failure,
07:38to a total failure.
07:39The more you use this flattering diplomacy,
07:42the more we are observing...
07:44the United States are going very far
07:46in this tactic of intimidation and...
07:49threats against their allies.
07:51And the EU is a very loyal partner and ally.
07:54for the United States.
07:55That's why we do not deserve this behaviour.
07:57We can see...
07:59for instance,
07:59the ambiguities coming from the United States
08:01with Russia,
08:02the way...
08:04Trump decided to give legitimacy
08:05to Vladimir Putin.
08:07We can see...
08:08some...
08:09sanctions
08:09within the former EU Commission.
08:11That's not acceptable.
08:12Finally,
08:12on Ukraine,
08:13very briefly,
08:13if you...
08:14President Zelensky says
08:15the country should join the EU by 2027.
08:17Is that feasible?
08:19It's absolutely right
08:19and it's possible.
08:20The situation of political will...
08:22the Ukrainians are...
08:24making a lot of progress
08:25in terms of criteria
08:27that have to be fulfilled to...
08:29to join the EU
08:30and everything must be done
08:31to help them,
08:32to support them.
08:34And I think that Ukraine,
08:36being a member of the EU,
08:38it should...
08:39take place as fast as possible.
08:41Jacques Michel,
08:42that's all we have time for.
08:43Thank you so much.
08:43Thank you.
08:44for coming to join us on set this morning.
08:46See you again soon,
08:47we hope.
08:48Now we're moving on to another...
08:49hot-button geopolitical issue now.
08:51It's been nearly one month
08:52since the US ordered the...
08:54of Venezuela's Nicolás Maduro.
08:56Secretary of State Marco Rubio
08:58said earlier this week
08:58that...
08:59the US is committed
09:00to democratic transition
09:01in the country.
09:02I'm pleased to say
09:03that joining...
09:04of Venezuela's life
09:04for Madrid
09:05is Leopoldo López,
09:06a figurehead
09:07of Venezuela's opposition...
09:09so welcome.
09:10It's great to have you with us.
09:12Let us start with...
09:14recent US intervention
09:15in Venezuela.
09:17You've fought for years
09:18for...
09:19democracy and freedom
09:19in the country.
09:20Is the US helping your cause here?
09:24Well, thank you very much.
09:25I can tell you
09:26that we are much better off
09:27than what we were...
09:29in January the 2nd.
09:31Venezuelans,
09:32we have done for decades
09:33everything.
09:34to have democracy
09:35in our country.
09:36We have taken the streets
09:36not once,
09:37but thousands of times.
09:39We have gone to elections
09:40and these elections
09:41have been stolen.
09:42We have engaged in...
09:4416 rounds of negotiations
09:45with all sorts of mediators
09:48from the Vatican...
09:49to ex-presidents
09:49to Norway
09:50and it all led
09:51to the same position.
09:54where Maduro
09:54only used those negotiations
09:56to buy time
09:57and to manipulate.
09:59So, we are much better off
10:00with the removal
10:01of Nicolas Maduro.
10:03We are not.
10:04we want to be
10:04we want to be
10:05in a fully
10:06and total
10:07democratic Venezuela.
10:09and we understand
10:09that this is a transition
10:10and that's what
10:11we need to push for.
10:12Because the figureheads...
10:14of the Maduro regime
10:15we're talking about
10:16Delcy Rodríguez,
10:17Teostado Cabello
10:18has still...
10:19in power in Caracas.
10:21Is the US really interested
10:22in free and fair?
10:24elections
10:24or do you think
10:25they will settle
10:25for a soft democracy
10:27if it serves
10:28their commercial...
10:29interests?
10:30Well, I can tell you
10:31that the Venezuelan people
10:32are set to be...
10:34democratic Venezuela.
10:34We've been fighting
10:35for this for,
10:36as I said,
10:37over two decades
10:38and we will...
10:39continue to do so.
10:39That's the aspiration
10:40of the Venezuelan people,
10:43the Venezuelan democracy.
10:44democratic leadership
10:44and the US
10:45has committed
10:46to democracy
10:47and not in the very...
10:49very short term.
10:50There is a transition
10:51that has started
10:52mostly on the economic...
10:54realm,
10:54but we need to push
10:56for democracy.
10:57That's our responsibility.
10:59and that's what we will do.
11:01We expect a process...
11:04that will lead us
11:04to a general election
11:06that will give
11:07the Venezuelan people...
11:09the voice
11:09to who will govern
11:12the country.
11:13That's what we...
11:14hope for.
11:14That's what we'll fight for.
11:16And are you hoping
11:16for, for example,
11:17the return of Mariaco?
11:19or would you be able
11:21to contemplate
11:22returning to Venezuela?
11:24and politics
11:24if the US
11:25does guarantee
11:25this transition?
11:27No, absolutely.
11:28Absolutely.
11:29There are thousands
11:31I would say
11:31hundreds of thousands
11:32of Venezuelans
11:33that will be...
11:34willing to return
11:35at the political level.
11:37Yes, we hope to return.
11:39as soon as possible
11:40to Venezuela
11:40and to contribute
11:42to the rebuilding
11:42of our country.
11:43Yes.
11:44that's all we have time
11:45for, I'm afraid.
11:45But thank you so much.
11:46It was a pleasure
11:46to have you with us
11:47this morning.
11:49Next up, we're moving
11:50to space.
11:51Isn't the EU
11:51getting ahead
11:52in the space race?
11:54Our reporter
11:55Jakob Yanis
11:56takes a look.
11:59Hey, folks.
12:00Let's clear the air.
12:01When you hear
12:02EU space industry
12:04you think of bureaucracy
12:05not rockets
12:06and honestly
12:07I can't believe
12:09blame you.
12:09This week
12:10your reporter
12:11took part
12:12in the European Space Conference
12:13to...
12:14verify it.
12:15So is the EU
12:16that far behind
12:17in the space race?
12:19Let's take a look.
12:21Meet Copernicus
12:23Europe's army.
12:24eyes in the sky.
12:25It is the invisible
12:26infrastructure
12:27that powers
12:28your weather up.
12:29and spot the storms
12:30before they even hit
12:32and meet Galileo
12:34the EU's navigator.
12:35It connects
12:36your bank
12:37and your phone
12:37and it's the only
12:39thing ensuring
12:40that when
12:40a geopolitical
12:41crisis explodes
12:43the EU
12:43is...
12:44is not relying
12:44on Washington
12:45to tell Europeans
12:46where they are
12:48and me
12:49need the new kid
12:50coughs.com
12:51because space
12:52is now a dogfight.
12:54The EU
12:54finally has
12:55an encrypted
12:56shield
12:57for European leaders
12:58and the...
12:59military
12:59to protect
13:00secrets
13:00from cyberattacks.
13:02But here
13:03is what
13:03Euros...
13:04space is not.
13:05It isn't
13:06Starlink
13:07or SpaceX.
13:08While...
13:09Elon Musk
13:09dominates
13:10the sky
13:10with thousands
13:11of satellites
13:12Europe
13:13is still...
13:14playing catch-up
13:15and the EU's
13:16alternative
13:17Iris Squared
13:18won't...
13:19will be flying
13:19until 2029.
13:22So can
13:23the EU
13:23compete...
13:24with the US
13:24and China.
13:26The talent
13:26is here
13:27but the speed
13:28the...
13:29is not quite.
13:30Europeans
13:30are missing
13:31Silicon Valley's
13:32private capital.
13:34and European
13:34pension funds
13:35are too scared
13:36to bet
13:37on exploding rockets.
13:39and while China
13:40and the US
13:41are shooting
13:41for the moon
13:42this year
13:43Brussels
13:43is...
13:44still filling
13:44out their paperwork
13:46and hard work
13:47is ahead
13:48in this
13:49era of hard power
13:50can the EU
13:51be seen
13:51from space
13:52because for now
13:54all I can see
13:55is the Great Wall
13:56of China
13:56and obviously
13:57Trump's ego.
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14:05And that brings
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14:08Thank you for your
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14:09company throughout
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14:10We'll be back
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14:14Have a great weekend.
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